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hey what's up everybody welcome to the 404 show it is friday it is october twenty first what a week what a week what a week mr. Ross brush Dick Howser i'm good i'm a little sleepy I got back from San Francisco very late last night and jet lag is not being my friend today so little I'm dragon I wish to sleep doctor was back to give me advice he did he told you he said it's gonna take you 48 hours that's too much time you have to drink a series of diluted sunflower of extract yeah it's it's been is and she was funny I got a buddy who's like yeah I'm all about that melatonin Oh actually yeah so well first of all this look doctor said you're not supposed to take a ton of that right and he didn't when I told my friend that he was like oh oh oh my I've been oh D oh no on melatonin you can't I don't think it'll kill you though I think you might get addicted to it like it might stop being as effective and we might have a harder time sleeping we all have vices in our lives true lives life so look yeah that's what you're gonna you know get hooked on that's true could be worse thing so I tried something that yeah I know you tried the coffee thing it fell asleep on the train right yeah that shouldn't work out not work man I kind of I'm not saying I want to beat the dot to sleep doctor up sure but I want to smack him around a little bit yeah he's a good buddy so I could say that but I wanna like I want to like step on he's not happy with it I just want to be like hey Mike yeah the hell did you do to me bro yeah dr. Mike hey Doc Mike yeah I was all weird and groggy on the train people thought I was zombie they didn't like it yeah i was drooling on the woman next to me she is seemed nice and you didn't get like a Jew's i jump when know there are everyone's like who's the sleepy june i mean in the office drank coffee didn't get feel like a jolt when that happened I Shh what the phone what happened oh no uh when I yeah I had a fugue stage no no I remember what happened I think I waited too long i think uh i think it was like two and a half hours so you didn't do it no no I did what do you think he's at two hours I think he said two hours and ya know the right time but my body was just like not having him I but I was like why no we're used to something else Jeff we're used to having it within 40 minutes of a rising rise arising who cares for waking on cares I just met but I do stare at the Sun now yeah I've been open the curtains and that helps I don't like stare at the Sun cuz I don't ya well you also shouldn't stare at the Sun it's bad for your eyes yeah don't don't look at the show ever no I do want to mention though I tried the banana t remember hearing shit how'd that go great game is on your end no I honestly it was so what was he saying it shows so he well it's got a lot of magnesium in it and apparently magnesium puts you out so well it's a bed it's a coda it's a go to sleep yeah so you take an organic banana you cut both sides of it you leave the peel on you put the banana with the peel in the boiling water and then you pour the boiling boiling water out he's very been any good so Alex put like cinnamon in it right a little bit at just to make it a little tasty it doesn't really taste like a banana what does it taste like taste like cinnamon tea okay and drank it and about a half hour maybe like 20 minutes later legit it felt like I took a nyquil p.m. like legit sleepiness like I was ready for bed it was pretty of give it a shot if you if you ever a problem sleeping give it a shot it just seems like such a hassle it it's as more as much of a hassle is making tea yes you just put a banana asshole really I don't know it just I don't know how does England do it all the time I don't know man every minute and you know what what British people got to stop making like T's the most important thing in the world they really love their they love their tea and papa whatever it is i love punish people arguably a better people than we sure but i just get off the t thing yeah like a lot of people are like oh I can't do that I'm making tea do you think it's because they spent all that time and energy enslaving other nations for that tea that now they feel like they need to take advantage of like look we've this T didn't come easy huh okay a lot of people not us out a lot had the dying for this T to be a thing here so we're really cashing really advertising the teeth on that tradition but don't don't forget about that the tall T thing that's us yeah big time what a freaking week kids yeah a lot of stuff happening a fake tech week this big tech week I want to start things off want kick it off okay with a little tiny never no named company called Nintendo yeah the trading card company I know them yeah this hundred and twenty year old company yeah ah always interesting when ever they debut new consoles and did then that they did on Thursday the Nintendo switch so that's that's what we're dealing with so you know if you don't want to listen to two guys talking about nintendo's new video game console yes I don't know what you do right now well I guess I think you I think you listen anyway because it's interesting yeah I'm more fascinating hilarious people so what I would recommend is maybe less than 45 minutes just to like get the understanding of like what this thing is if you haven't watched the trailer the trailer actually does a really good job of like pitching the device and like what it does and what the idea is but if you haven't watched the trailer it is ok so picture a game console a little game console 6 sits next to TV you plug it into your TV and you got a controller for and you play video game oast people can identify with that fine so the switch where the hook comes in is that you can basically undock the game console and it's got a little TV on it and you can hook into to like side controllers to the side of it and it becomes a portable like handheld game console and you take that with yamla game you can take that with you on the go so the same games are running both on your TV is it is like a normal console as well as on the go it's kind of like a you know kind of a best the bus world both worlds situation rice and it does some really interesting things so if you're on the go let's say let's say you're in the airport let's say and you're with a buddy and you're playing of this console in your hands and you got the TV and the controller in your hands you can unhook both controllers from the size of TV put the TV up on a little kickstand and give one of the controllers to your buddy and that works if you turn it on its side works as its own controller and you can play co-op with your buddy using the TV and in that situation so you can basically turn what was once a single-player handheld gaming device into a two-player co-op gaming device in a second which is pretty wit that's pretty wicked if you keep using that word what wicked this is it wicked I think that's really good from a design like conceptual standpoint I think it's very cool I think it's cool what are you against what don't you like I just you know we always see these debut trailers and they always look so damn slick I didn't know when you debut trailer looked interesting or cool at all are there was nothing ever cool thing so it's not easy it was this you know I don't know this thing looks very big the screen it looks very large it how big is it have they said the nice but it's got to be six to seven inches how big is like that okay you're making what looks to be like a kindle size smaller than kindle small and kindle that right there ross is making him it's not a single that looks like not a small is like a box of cards but it's not as big as a kindle so that i think you were looking at like a six and change screen is that what that is roughly yeah yeah ok so it's big yeah don't alter that the moat the most of families like me 57 about it oh really even like a plus like this is five points okay sure but you're not carrying way bigger knowing this thing around in your pocket like that's not really good to know this is anna pocket think yeah look i agree with you i think the notion of like hey let's let's make this something that that is practical yeah for on the go uh let's make it a thing where two people can like play and use it and then the thing becomes its own portable TV like that's really kind of cool and and what you're also getting out of this is a portable gaming console that no one else is willing to make any more as sony's not making another vita right um there are no company I mean granted phones these days or portable gaming consoles but the games on them are not traditional games right and this is the only traditional portable game schools are gonna get gonna exist so you can play Skyrim on it you can play the new Zelda on it and I think that idea of like bringing these games portable is very very cool it is cool um it might have an hour battery life but that's a huge concern I you know we were talking about yesterday like I i if this thing has less than four hours the outer life um no thanks I just how is that practical ya know I i get i think four hours is probably like what you could hope for and I would be fine with four hours I want over CH and I no no you're not gonna get that you don't get that at the Vita either I think this will run like 360 era games I don't think it's going to run like Battlefield one or red dead redemption to the power that just came out I and obviously Nintendo games have the ability to run you know for Mario and stuff like that have the ability to run with stylized graphics so you can still have good looking games but not necessarily push like polygons and all that stuff right so how how how long is the battery life on this thing do the controllers they're called joy pet what are they called the Roy Cohn they're called joy con controllers the little it connects right where comes the joystick connection right so do so do those little guys need batteries they have to have that yeah maybe they were chargeable yeah they probably usually that's a good question i didn't think about that they probably have their own batteries because their wireless but there what's their deal do they vibrate as their gyroscopes in them do they do this do is the screen touch is it a touch screen share look there's a lot of questions a lot of question I join yeah I think that's fine for the for the amount of information that they gave in that trailer um I sort of was cool to like let them cool their heels for a little while sure you don't have a million year the key thing comes out in more five months that's not a lot of time so sweet so but and uh the the scuttlebutt this morning was that they're not going to announce anything new to the new year like this was it that was it yeah interest and you know what I don't necessarily fault them for that I think that's a better strategy than like waiting forever and it also benefits them because they're putting out that Nintendo mini yeah let's maybe take the heat off yeah you know everything else from Owen let that thing happen today right exactly so I think it's a smart like from a marketing standpoint decision and they've got no competition like they are coming that space is not you know digging into I think if you have an xbox one it's tough to recommend a ps4 and vice versa because they do a lot of the same stuff there's a lot of overlap this does not feel like it has very much over up overlap at all apart from maybe some of the third-party games coming out on it but I think it's a lot of demand for it I think it's gonna do a lot better than we use it has to come on yeah I could have released like a turmoil you know little thing with those shit in a box and it whatever like well look yeah it's not the wii u shits I meal yeah it's it's interesting I you know I think and this is gonna get a little dirty down in the dirt gaming stuff but I think that's gonna we the fact that Nintendo still does not yet have a gamertag storefront great solution for like these are all the games i own you think this is where they do they need to do it thank me if it's they've been what years behind it has there been any sort of evidence yeah that suggests that they will actually do it right this time like they don't really seem to be concerned I mean they bought the only thing that they've done yeah uh there's that well look depends on how you like what you equate to be signs of an evidence of that they're joining the rest of the planet right yeah the mini nes thing we just talked about that is sort of not not a concession but I think a major concession is Mario runner on iphone I am I think I think that what they want I think that's them being like mmm it'd be really really dumb if we just let this mobile gaming thing and I mean Pokemon was you know they read but it's not into that company I throws thirty thirty percent of a company that in that wasn't all them sure like they know definitely um so but they are working on fire emblem and and animal crossing as well right those are all property sure i owns sure so i don't know i think you have to wishful thinking would suggest that yes this would be the time when they get there they're mark digital marketplace act to get it's just not what's crazy to me is that it's that's table stakes that's easy stuff like hey I go to you Jeff Jeff I want to play Nintendo switch with you what's your gamertag oh yeah mines 63 275 59 I don't know Mike fuck they have this thing where they just don't I I think it's platoon like yeah they didn't and now he's a real they have a back end yeah they still don't it didn't have a back end for the way you I I think it's been a complaint forever and all I can say is like they've got to be on so much peyote if they don't implement any of this stuff like easy matchmaking friend coat like kids I realize you're worried about the kids but parent there are parental controls that you can put on a console if your kid's gonna be playing it you don't need to have this like mutual yeah I accept your friend you accept my friend not to mention there wasn't anyone under 18 in that video you showed me yesterday I think they're waking up and they realize that all this coddling and like bathing they've done has not helped them and I can tell just looking at that console that console is not something it looks at mature it looks like a char but it's a classier join its yeah as it looks like something Sony would put out it's not like a giant plastic when you look at that we easily when you look at that wii u gamepad it's like man that's up for Dylan yeah that's something for like a little baby yeah a little stupid baby a stupid baby Zoe but as baby Dylan with no concept of fun or entertainment yeah except for keys m's if he had those keys and balls that's it Paul let's look at that ball I in my heart of hearts as a as a person that grew up with Nintendo was born into Nintendo gotta hope and wish that they know all of this stuff and will wake up and be like yeah we just need to do it it just needs to happen and I think all the fact that they have so much third-party support is kind of an indication that they're going to need you it's worth mentioning the the list of third-party people that were thrown around is a list that I have not seen from Nintendo you know it's a very good list I I think the reason the list is so big is because you're going to see a lot of those companies put out their last gen games again on a x okay I think that's why the list is so big all right guy rim and stuff like that because that's a good point you can again you won't be able to run modern games on this sorry hope everyone listening is getting a good idea of what this thing is and how it's like this hybrid console that that is in the house and on the go and like I think we're doing an okay Jay yeah it's it's a kind of a brain melt and again I think the trailer does a very good job she does or at least a very ambitious trailer of what the use case for for this it didn't feel like lying though we've we've seen a lot of those trailers like the kinect trailer when i first came out right like a lot of bullshit and it's like a guy doing hands yeah and like kind of like doing a 3d printer of his skateboard right like that all right you're like oh Shannon my van meanwhile the kinect doesn't know when you say stop so thanks disaster um but this true I didn't feel like that it didn't feel like I mean granted I don't necessarily expect there to be an eSports platoon situation going on which is how the trailer and it's more wishful thinking but I think from a functionality standpoint everything they did in the trailer seems reasonable and like seems in the realm seems in the room and like use cases that like I could see myself playing this on a plane and like putting the course like oh my god if that could be the thing I would love that to be holy and you're right it is filling a gap that is there yeah and that is definitely uh waiting for something like this here's a question wait hold back sorry okay what's your question sorry so you're going speaking of planes are going through airport security sure and you know when you get up to the line they're like if you have any large consoles in your bag you're gonna have to take them out and put them in step back if it's a handheld you don't have to what do you do Tia's gonna get briefed on this yep I hope Nintendo's laid down the paperwork I thought they'd done their homework cross the t's dot their eyes it was a big Twitter hit for me yesterday was it yeah Twitter hit too yeah I said that uh this thing's got a kickstand and a headphone jack it's already a million times better than the iphone Oh before I by seven yeah no one cares about that thing that's not sure it's doing very well I know it always does well cuz its competitor is exploding this is exactly it's imploding uh so the doc that this thing sits in yeah do you think that has like process now in it you think you think this thing the whole thing is on the box with the whole thing is in the tab yes while then why is that box so big um tell me that's the itch for something how big it is the impeachment it looked like a it looks like a bookshelf ohm like a low 22 n like bookends it looked like and you didn't just Nick I don't think it was that thick i think it's empty in the middle and you slotted into the middle it is emptying them it's like a taco it's like a taco right that's what I mean but there's something there's nothing in there because I think that whole big container is not just some hdmi break having processor power in there makes no sense at all I think you're wrong what how would it benefit you think the games run better when it's in that thing I think it's I think the door is open for that I think resolution was I think you're telling me okay just yes talk about resolutions right sure what it needs to be 1080p anything on the tablet he should be 1080p no I think I saw then would then there you go i understand you're right on the TV it needs to be 1080p i think on the tablet you could people could live with 720p and be okay i think there would be fine yeah I think so I've ever had a shield tablet I've not I've you I've seen them so so it's it I don't idea I think and it's running on a Tegra so exactly i know people really need to take a step back and look at the shield yeah ah note the shitty battery life that thing ana's what's the vero of its terror it's like three hours okay again this is like a two and a half three year old product yeah but the shield is you know as close of an android gaming tablet as you're gonna get sure and uh it you know it's similar similarly sized yeah um but that is the whole console is not as obviously that tablet so i think i think it's safe and fair just kind of make those sure i think it's a fair comparison comparisons um you know obviously this has a better chip inside it just seems like VIP like weirdly i don't know i guess if there was ram or so I'm just trying to think of a cheap way I don't know you could put components inside that doc yeah and not like like lose out you know I don't say think of it like this maybe this is the wrong announce yeah but think of it like this gaming laptops okay music gaming most some of the higher end joining laptops when they're not plugged in yeah they perform right lower your right they scale right you know lower rate I bet that'd be very cool honest now that's just a power thing no you're right but it does it's basically engaging um uh it's using all of its assets or sometimes it'll like shift over to a different graphics card right it will use a mobile graphics card instead of it yeah but that's the main one yeah but that's not I don't think that's what would be going on here it'd be too drastic a difference yeah but but again like you're good when you go from a 50 inch screen div to a 7 inch screen sure you do there's a lot there's that's a huge difference yeah and and shit you're looking games look a lot better on a 7 inch screens and man and maybe that's certainly the way they'll say battery life as well as if you're scaling it down and running at a lower resolution it'll save battery life less processing power etc there's no there's a lot tom pack will finish up the nintendo switch story the discussion right after this but first a quick word from our sponsor this week okay big 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is a $300 I think okay so i looked it up with the wii u oh you looked up no one knows that the prices right now i looked up the wii u prices so the wii u launched there was the base level Wii U which was kind of garbage I mean they were both kind of coverage everyone got though but that was 299 and there was the mid-range which are rather than took clothes deluxe package black was 349 and the black one is the three or 49 one and I think my guess is 349 okay I didn't realize that there were yeah I'll go with that too IIIi they can't go higher than that because the PS pro is coming out at 399 right yeah but you know from a component standpoint like the screen is not cheap having those controllers be whatever they are wireless and stuff like that I mean it's not cheap I think at 399 it's still a reasonably good deal and then they have room to lower the price on the holiday or whatever the following holiday part of me a part of me is now believing this will be four hundred dollars not a chance they will not launch at the same price point at Sony because they really want to show that there are a cheaper option yeah but we just got finished saying about how this is a product for which there does not currently exist 1 399 is such a heart I mean but like if you're buying this to me this is now strictly a compliment or like it lives on a tone I don't I what do you mean a compliment like I don't see it I'm saying it lives on its own i don't think this is like something that you're gonna you know have that would take the place of a ps4 no I think what I don't know no I don't think it would take the place of peace for i do think there are people that don't own ps4 is that will buy this because they want to play mario games and zelda and something right the more casual folks that want to do that um but I also think those people might like take a beat if they see hey this is the same price as the like mobile gaming console I could do yeppa so so you're telling me okay both 350 that's three I think honestly that minor difference of comparatively minor difference in price that fifty dollars makes a big difference just us it's the way people look at it you see the prices next to each other one fifty dollars less and you start equivocating and like saying like well that one is a screen on it the original piece was gonna stay at 299 and that's gonna you know that yeah but that is an older constants older but you know I don't know it'll be interesting yeah again like I think they I think they believe that they are entering such uncharted territory with this thing that they can kind of get away with I think they're also very cautious of having another wii u situation of course and they and and the only way to sort of push back against that obviously they have a great debut and like a good argument so far I think she's a successful i 100% yeah speaking of someone that like for the first it we use the first Nintendo console ever that I did not own oh you know mom ever I didn't know one and I had no urge to own one and that is super telling this is terrible because it was Tara's really not a bit like a changeable I'm not happy saying it not a terribly it was a really bad console and not fun to put like the controller was bad they were totally lacking and software it was it was a real mess Shane yeah it was a real shame and so I want i'm not happy saying no it doesn't give me any pleasure I'm sure it doesn't make Nintendo happy either but like that's Jay know it they know that it was a huge failure for them and so for me to go in I went to the Nintendo this trailer very skeptical and being like well what could they do at this point and the fact that I came away impressed and not just me like but universally Twitter wasn't Mike yeah I don't think anyone's like screw this lame-o diversely and it was a trending like on Twitter and fans not that's come on miss it it was like what's that it should yeah it should no matter what that thing was it was gonna be I think they talked about yeah maybe uh they're lucky it didn't happen this morning though oh yeah they're lucky they didn't wait trace not a problem dude because the most of the East Coast had a huge DNS outage yeah we're so like DNS servers are basically how do we it's like a switcher right it's like the switchboard for the Internet yeah don't device like you get your power and the power is centralized at a certain point is that grid yeah right sort of feel that was attacked I went down right um for a couple of major DNS um what do you call centers center not sure an infected reddit Twitter a lot of five is down to the point where like I thought my internet was acting up and it was just happening everywhere yeah and it really there was a few moments where I was like this is what it would be like like this is what happens when the switch flips and you go back to like a time before the Internet and it's very weird we lost internet here yesterday around three o'clock yeah and when it goes out in the office it's like yeah whatever we'll go get coffee and right but I tell you know you're like the first person like peek your head up yeah and you look around and everyone you see like 17 other people do and that you're like no there's no internet right and we're just like walk around like zombies and then you start like lighting torches going for like well if the Internet's out we should probably light a couple garbage cans on fire right because there's not going to be in a more heat yeah it's basically like you work at a car plant and like the power goes out mm-hmm like whoa oh here's build internet and and all of my docs are Google Docs and those are all in the cloud and the cloud is closed to us right now the clouds closed we mine Internet yeah and we create it on an assembly line yeah the phones don't work because the phones are now the internet too I guess yeah fire like legit does that does that stuff freak you out scare you in any way of like the internet just going down when you have like a major DNS out it's like this if it it's a sobering reminder of how fragile at all and it seems and it shows you like if if some outside force was able to do it for an extended period of time might be in trouble two weeks can you imagine being real trouble just imagine the amount of hit the economy would take like the US economy would take a major on to a whole grind to a halt for two weeks or however long it took and that's I don't know that's a very scary thing a lot our cyber is really vulnerable our side is people are cybering left and right people with the cyber huge yeah we gotta figure out disaster the worst driver ever disaster oh my god the word big-league disaster what do we did like you know I understand we now live in a world of like very reactionary yeah so I don't know what you have to take off your shoes before you use the internet now what do we do I don't actually so the question I have is like when this happens so when Sony gets hit by a denial service whatever different a little yeah is it different yeah because this is like attacking an actual website the DDoS yeah but if this is a chart the DNS is is you're basically bombing the the pipes but you're not literally bombing the pipes s5000 I understand so so the question I have is like how do you fix that do you know I don't know I actually heard it was like bypassing stuff I'm yeah I'm not walking IT people IT people call hey hey IT people Google this and let us know yeah we probably could have done that but the internet was down we couldn't we couldn't look in I this morning great uh yeah I don't know it freaks me out I think I mean you know Trump was right cyber is a big deal of what can I say he's not right off him but he was right there and a lot of nations outside of our nation our benefit are benefited by our internet going down because it puts puts a huge disadvantage and you know it's it's scary stuff so it I was looking like a heat map of where this DNS thing was affecting people and it was mostly the east coast okay ah specifically our area so you think it was like Ohio that did it no I'm not gonna place blame in one state I'm gonna be like oh the whole Midwest your site oh god dammit Ohio just cuz we don't have steak and shake or whatever shake shack no steak and shake that's what they have out there when were you in Ohio been around in that neighborhood I've been in Ohio thrice okay that's a sizable number yeah Buckeye State yeah as you know is that a nut is that like an acorn what but a Buckeye a Buckeye is an animal no yes no it's not you're so not right i think it's a it's a nut and and and the the mascot oh shit oh I'm totally right oh shit i'm totally on what yeah I'm right ya a buck I look like an animal a book I should be i'm at my mom blown right now I thought a buck I was like a bull I was like oh wait is that because you think the Buckeye mascot looks like a bowl Huckabee his head is just the nut time the fudge out you're telling me dude type in puck up Buckeye mascot now I'll bet that's why you thought that you're telling me that guy he's not he's got a nuthead talk about this this this changes everything number one ohio state buckeyes your mascot name sucks it's just an item it's a nut but that's the state name get what the fuck why the Buckeye State that's like the Tennessee acorns what the hell am i doing yeah that's not cool there are very good football team some I know they're good but like Ohio State Buckeyes ya a buck I to me is like a bull that's upset what about the Knickerbockers Woodson I know that's the next but what is an inner baggage settler in new york city we're called knickerbockers so the tourists essentially what the fuck everything is alive the world is upside down dogs and cats living together it's chaos nasus tarea what is happening yeah a buckeye is a nut yeah I forget how we gotta oh you you were blaming Ohio for the outage but now you know how do I move on and you're such a dummy this does make me look priest it does it's up there I'm gonna ask a lot i'm gonna ask people this weekend hey hey what your guy you know how book is a book i say dad who's the Buckeye yeah whichever's it's a tree it has a nut got it it's called a Buckeye it's delicious do you eat it no can you eat a Buckeye yeah cuz you can I guess it's a probably an export thing they're probably very of proud of it all right good for them it's one thing they could be prone I'm kidding Ohio's beautiful lovely lovely stay very important in our electoral college I was in Cleveland that was okay woof yeah you know what they wait is Cleveland I think clay yeah so Cleveland you know what its nickname is the book I town no it's called the mistake on the lake oh that's a bad yeah it's a great documentary called believe land about Cleveland sports on netflix highly recommend it cuz they're so bad yeah it's about how if they had a history of terrible sports and then obviously LeBron came in and weren't it aren't wanna games okay they are yeah they've been okay but like everyone else are they out I don't actually have no baseball stuff but yeah they Cleveland has a history of of woeful sports teams is hope well we don't we gave you the Hall of Fame for rock and roll we gave you that's what they're proud of what why do they get that cuz then what else we got I don't know they've got a mistake on the run they've got LeBron so um let's pivot and move on and talk about another trailer that was released yesterday yes which shower uh it's a little a little movie called Logan okay Logan is a berry it's a loganberry it's a member berri know it's a loganberry um and it's about this little berry yeah that Liz in is sad though that lives in the tundra sure and one day uh an old disabled bald man comes and finds the little Logan bahria and says you're gonna be something important and the loganberries like what what what do you mean I can't be like here where these claws and that very turns into Wolverine okay the end oh that's the end that sort of sets up more movies moving forward I think so and it's exciting yeah so that the Logan of trailer came out it's the third standalone Wolverine movie and the last as they've said and the darkest man that's because this junk it's finals are it's our heart are ya did you watch the trailer dude gets his head like stabbed legit in the trailer oh you see claws come out of his head in the trailer yes in the trailer she might have been two trailers but it was definitely an r-rated trailer so the red band one there wasn't a red band trailer but it's definitely an R and obviously a lot of that is inspired by Deadpool success people trying to like or it up yeah we need to chop people's heads off more I mean so the trailer came out it had the classic Johnny Cash cover of what's the song hurt better managed by nine inch nails which is an excellent cover that pretty much can make any tree are look good I was encouraged by this trailer in so far as I think it's in you know we've seen with some of the netflix Marvel stuff like doing a dark kind of serious more a superhero movie can work and yeah sometimes sometimes it's terrible oh yeah like it's terrible when war was terrible that wasn't dark I tried to make it more grounded Suicide Squad to Terra but that was meant to be more lighthearted I was it I think so least the trailers were okay so here's here's the thing i was a little bit encouraged it looked like it was well shot and you know interesting could be an interesting movie I got a little bit put off once he started doing like the wire jump like Wolverine jumped the stuff you know what I mean I was almost hoping in the way that like I was very excited when they're rebooting bond with daniel craig and i was a little put off that like it wasn't though like the whole seat of like reboot it was more grounded certainly but not quite more as realistic as i was hoping for and I'm not looking for absolute realism with a good with like adamantium claws but like why you know what I mean why choir assisted jumps for he's doing like matrix style jumps at people can he do that he can but it just looks goofy and especially in the tone of like a very serious movie it looks like the wrestler so that's what it does look like that's a very good point but geez you would rather Wolverine i SAT by Mandy captain I was like well he is essentially as I why you will you can see in the trailer like you should not be but his healing ability seems to be the midwatch so I know that was a story was that a storyline I'm one of yes comic books called Old Man Wolverine night I thought he doesn't get old apparently he does man you know just took a while fine fine he's probably like 406 now right yeah you know he's hung out yeah he's had a good show the girl she's probably x-23 right i guess i'm not super knowledgeable about Wolverines backstory but x-23 wasn't x-23 the one that would I don't know if they just bike so I believe x-23 was a clone of Wolverine oh ok so that would female girl young girl clone yeah so I think so Condor okay and people are essentially confirming that yeah that they're there yeah and there's a line in the trailer where Professor X is like she's very much like you is very much like you Logan it's okay it's getting there I mean for like never attempting it ever before it's okay it does Sean Connery initially looks like you Logan that's a little better get Logan yeah yeah workshop it I'm freaking play this I'll be doing a lot of driving this week I'm gonna for Stacy de yeah I I I will be curious about the movie I'm more curious about this Wolverine Stan one movie than I was for any of the other ones but I don't know for all superhero movies at this point I'm so wait and see and like wait for the reviews i watched batman vs superman on the plane coming back from San Francisco yesterday or a few days ago I was just heinous and I'm so glad i didn't pay money for it cuz it's just like ooh good word just garbage it was heinous it was horrifying it was horrifying james mangold's directing this matter that is he did walk the line though I did the first Wolverine it's funny that he didn't walk the line and they used the Johnny Cash movie and at song in the truck you've made it to level 2 of the game Russ sure don't you think that's funny I guess I wonder if that was his decision of the trailer companies is it ah yeah I'm sure that's a great point but then again such as it just works perfectly with any trailer so apparently he wrote so he's written yeah yeah it's his book zero Copland any real girl interrupted he won't girl interrupted but no girl interrupted ok is that really is that what we're saying yeah you know wow good for him hey gotta respect often I would have assumed it was a girl that wrote that book ah well you just are reading too much into that yes I am Oh in 310 to yuma he weren't that you redirect a cop people love Copland yeah he seems like a pretty good talented director it seems like they brought on a good guy for this I'm encouraged and it looked like the road how do you feel about the road didn't it look like that it was like very dark and grey and he's like an old man taking care of a young girl and ya around Professor X like he's a little baby yeah I'd through something kind of uh do you think he looks sexy he's always do just like old man wolverine anime it just worked well for him I mean he's always looked what a good but I think he's gotten very good looking I the only the other thing I'm kind of curious about have you kept up with the new x-men movies like the latest ones uh I saw awww what was the one with Peter Dinklage okay so that was the second last one oh there's been another way they apocalypse came out says all right that was the Bryan Singer Janet but they were both friends injured yeah they were okay uh but they've done a lot of time travel stuff in those yeah obviously oh boy and I guess the question is are they gonna even acknowledge that stuff in this mood I hope they get because I don't care okay home runs like who gives us but nerds care like they're gonna be a while in this universe Logan is not global I know there's like this the Marvel Cinematic Universe and I don't hear it doesn't matter that just makes it doesn't matter just keep it you know uh the only time I have a problem with it is when they like will basically make it a point to separate from the other uh continued of narratives they are happening out in the world but then when they like reference stuff and they kind of like do a 180 on you mean like the star trek 3 more like things like they they're just like well no you can insert that there because you led us to believe that these aren't connected I don't know we're talking about now I feel like that's happened before with some of the newer Marvel stuff you need to give a specific example because you're speaking in vague garbage all right oh male just keep it I just feel like sometimes you're not sure if something's connected or are now we're all ready to deliver path right well they make a big deal again and then in the new Marvel movies they make it this idea of like will they change the future well of course in that movie that you saw they change the future where all the x-men they actually tied it into the other earlier movie it seemed like the the whole point wolf of that was for them to delete the Brett Ratner right which was great right it really waited and and gene crab is alive and happy and dating James Marsden a cyclops and red room was happy right um and then James Martin went to a little town called West world yeah where oh no sorry no yeah different sorry so I guess the question is okay so if there's a happy universal Professor X's like still an old man but he's super happy what universe is this and again I would rather them not take a minute and be like dassault like a title card that's like in this alternate universe where Wolverine didn't go back in time and may brett ratner's movie disappear this is what things have become like I don't need that shit leave it out yeah just make a movie about Wolverine and he's sad and lost his healing powers and everyone's dead and it's just him and Professor X chillin and hanging out with X 23 cuz I feel like I'm so existing in a timeline where all the other x-men are dead yeah that was my impression too isn't there even a line in the trailer where they're like everyone's dead there might be three people and unions are gone yeah mutants are gone right well guess what x-men are immunes yeah they're all dead good job Logan I am encouraged by the trailer but i'm also very wary because again you put that music over anything it looks good and secondly there's no dialogue in this chair in this last time i saw a trailer with very little dialogue or almost no dialogue was the Suicide Squad trailer and that came out real bad real bad why did it come out so bad because it was horribly written and acted and the whole movie was bad so you telling me that you could put Johnny Cash over and it hurt over anything that sounds good absolutely so like I could describe to you what it's like yeah in marlborough in the mean streets I hurt myself of suburban New Jersey to see your bus life wasn't life wasn't that easy now I focus on the thing had a lot of sleep I can't be only thing no canyon air was there there's no candy needle there's a whole how to be in bed by 7pm every night the old batteries for your game here try to kill it sometimes all the way good bad but I remember way to fold everything but struggles real at day camp I don't sweat it out no air conditioned always is it a girl to play sports all day every day no breaks then after eight weeks and you could have it all just go home go back to school your school's like dirt every night that sounds good man a good turn songs pretty good sang it they mother he must have been his deathbed and ho just they were just holding the lyrics up like sing this we need one last pay check out of your buddy that's screwed up and turn Fraser's actually gone on record and been like you know on I know that's my song but this is not dead John totally a hundred percent it's a better version of the song than Trent Reznor surgeon it's amazing he fuckin crushed it he did love him he's good man yeah why p yeah um yeah so there you have it there's there's uh there's the Logan yeah the Logan the Logan I don't know there's no other movies that I'm excited for I'm not excited burning movies what are the movie do you know what I think it's gonna be okay maybe maybe I'll go see your rival I don't know what that is a rival is who's the guy who plays Hawkeye what's his name oh yeah that guy who was in her locker yeah and is there Emily Blunt oh I do like Emily want could be sicker a Sicario very good could be up what the Freak here yes no I'm sorry it's amy asks Amy Amy what are not the same person a very different ah but it is about an alien contact my stereo spacecraft enters the globe yeah and a linguistics expert play by Amy bank Amy Adams yeah uh has to is task with like interpreting what this all is yeah people the early reviews are pretty positive when is it out like soon November 11 okay jap teen eggs that sounds like a good love to get mr. Hoffman here i know i keep meaning that he's been traveling and vacations and la-dee-da but we will get him in I promise umm yeah I'm excited to to get into it it's been a while since I saw some really good sci-fi raw solution any good movies lately I saw so i mentioned i watched batman vs superman on the fly out san francisco on the flight back i watched a movie called 10 Cloverfield Lane which we've talked a little bit about on the show I believe Justin watched it and recommended it I would give that same wholehearted recommend it was really really excellent the fact that it was just a super riveting and the fact that I was able to watch it on a plane and like I don't I'm not the guy that's very emotive when I'm watching a movie like I don't gasp or bike huh like none of that I was like in this movie like how good is John Goodman graph and he's always great when can we get get my older up some more John Goodman totally could we get some more him is he right now Daisy cares ok i bought i worry that is I worry about his longevity is my chief concern you son of a bitch I'm just saying he was very large air you jinx in Tang life he's very large in 10 coeur d'alene like it does not look healthy and I'm okay well I believe you thought away I think him and Penn Jillette went to the same planet and got skinny yeah um that movie is trip and it end its and its cheap is it's very it's it's intense it's scary it's really well-written it's well shot good Halloween movie event a great hollow Halloween movie in the sense that it's like it tense it feels like a Hitchcock movie that's the whole spirit of it is like beautiful very intense and if you haven't seen it yet um really would recommend that you not watch the trailer not read anything about it yeah I don't know much about it i think a lot of it hinges on like you learn as you go as you're watching this movie so please do not ruin it for yourself I knew very little going in of a question okay so I don't want to say anything about the plot points of the movie of that don't you don't have to ok but like is there any connection to the other movie they have the same name in the title that's it ok like a shrug is shoulder emoticon me and they do have the same name in the title so you would imagine and JJ Abrams produced both of them so ok so you know I am a detective I've put all the facts on the table I've connected the dots I've followed the red threading yeah and I believe there is no connection whatsoever between these two movies I think that's a fair fair assumption to make you know all I can say is it go watch it again look up or read as little as possible because I mean and and it's not it's not a spoiler to say that it is a mystery and tension-filled movie course like from minute one you're like what's trying like to keep up with what's going on I'm gonna watch it i believe in space would like it yeah it but yeah it's very dead but not for doing you know turnable no he's uh he's still in his Daniel Tiger face although I'm getting them into hockey okay he now can say goal so he's related yeah does he know when to say go um no he just listens for me okay but I like whole weight and like keep looking at me like up to haven't scored as he say I said nope he does say offsides the okay Zamboni is his him pony but like he's getting into a little bit and used to like yell at them to change lines or no yeah he'll be like pass man uh he used to be like Oh one-timer yeah look at you dropping soon hock East slam vipole now it's good stuff ah alright i think that i think that's it i think that i've covered it all yeah it was great do we know we're gonna have next week we might have a guest oh we're gonna try and do jordan again okay you make yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna try to get him in here and then the week after we we know who's we do two weeks from today ah the lovely Jill / yeah on the show that's good because I've been putting my money in really bad place I've been putting it in the 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