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Scott sty I like being existential Scott Stein you have been on uh the show in a while I now told me you candidly that you despise us and native Russ should Russ is like you can't get him busy so ugly why'd you say that I've wanted to for years I've dreamed of being on the show again how screwed up is that I've wanted to do this I've said I've said just a few just a tenth of a mile down the hallway yeah well unit one look you having some excited to be a Fed Parenthood uh home stuff like VR he's real and virtual reality we're on the show I feel like it was three months ago no am I making that up I think you're making that up I don't think it was I think a long time yeah it's been a while I'm is faster for me now anyhow I'd yeah three months would actually be two years I read something oh by the way Scott signs here I read something that um I know you're about to dislike mean I know I wasn't allowed because usually we introduce the show or like with the date but whatever we just went as on a smirk just went to start to roll here um no I read something that said like 'hey-- as you age you start to perceive time as way faster yes that mad I've been obsessed with this so what's going on you sound like you're going through some sort of like existential crisis it's like the end of interstellar arsenal of interest lost on me and see how the part ways like catching up and he realizes the like his kids have all grown up and he's like on this metal ship crying oh that's funny I a moto metal ships wait were you tip your not the crying guy yeah I look at that and inside me is ok later so so well though it's a strange metem so what happened what like you're not an old guy what happened so why you haven't been over time over over time I feel like it happens more and more I've been obsessed with that I think that I I just notice that all of a sudden I will talk to friends and say you yeah we just saw each other and they like it was six months ago Wow no no a bit I think that's also that when you there are books written about this actually a book about time and memory that I want to read up to pulp the name of it but um I believe that your brain locks in all of its neural patterns and when you start locking in everything in your brains kind of all folded and you do that same trip back and forth and back and forth yeah your brain kind of goes in autopilot it just goes nothing news being written yes correct if that's a truth a scientific truth like you that's and that's been written metal so that's part of the that's part of the aging process as part of the idea of like learning versus wisdom and so when you start writing those neural channels over and over again you lose track of time is writing written in the same ways you're just not making many new signature your brain goes asleep and says if I'm not interested in this well but don't you think a lot of that has to do with the fact that like a kid's schedule is like a very or kids schedules in general are very like set and so you if you're taking care of kids you're basically following a very set pattern you know with the school year and the summer and cetera et cetera where there's not a lot of variance to it so it is in the same way that like when I if I woke up and like had to drive to work more like coming in on the subway this morning I don't really remember anything that happened on the subway cuz nothing notable happen on the subway you just enter these like phases of autopilot yeah where your breath like it happens sometimes i'm driving like i'm driving like 150 miles sometimes like 70 of those miles with ya like hey Laurent enough Oh easily so and it used to be so hard as a kid yeah to spend I look at my kids in the backseat where they're you know ten minutes drives them crazy yeah well cuz like they need constant stimuli yeah and it's so much more of their of their life as you know um percentage wise for sure as we need it so so what like weirdly can slow time down though well okay no it's not like I've lost my mind what do you mean mr. Hawkin I noticed that some people have theories that the more things you do in a day the way to break things up you can slow down your perception slow and the perception sure of course you can but requires I've if you stare clock all day it'll feel like it's taking forever that's why people travel trap traveling and tourism is about slowing down time and having new nodes I mean it's about have any like of things a vastly different experience from your day to day life so I can sympathize a little bit with that where it's like oh my god I can't believe a year went by my kids want already that totally yeah after me for seven bright definitely I mean I'm sure that just compounds in and gets crazier and crazier as the years go on like I now we'll think of things were like do I want to go do that today because if I go do that the day will go by so quick like it'll be slower if I just stay home and do nothing then go to that party where seven hours will fly by yeah she's used to slow down time and make life boring isn't it but that's also funny cuz like I think if you went to that party the day would feel longer because you're doing something different yeah I think that's why gravy i think it's just like a different way to think about it I don't know I don't know technically staying at home not technically just according to one theory a technically seconds go sexually yeah uh yeah and if you yes thank you stay at home time would go by quicker yeah it's really remember it as time going by quick yes exactly yeah it's it's so true about the driving thing I'll just be like oh my god wait have I been going through every red light right no idea what if I would no clue yeah I was driving home at night with the kids and I just go I hope everything was safe yes three hours just went by and I don't know where I was you like pull park the car and you like get out and like in bed yes I remember is being bed as weird as like a hand hanging off your car yeah I was a bunch of like deer fur know Shivan did that happen alright we're not gonna stay in that realm is anything that you want to cover in that could I tell you my the weird Warren Ellis tweet that I saw this morning so 20 warnell gems an author yeah he's an author fantastic author graphic novels and novels and uh he tweeted this article on Ribbon Farm I don't want to lose the spot of mine so I well I'll pull up the Apple up the name of it immortality begins at forty mm-hmm ok.thank at a shroud so how do you interpret that because it's a very literal statement but it is full of equations and strange poetry and it's also so depressing a wonderful I just like this sentence or this paragraph 40 is also the age at which point it stops being worth anyones while to manufacture an investment in you right because it is this drying up of supply well you're supposed to you're supposed to invest meeting in yourself and like your whatever kids or something like that and they've got the same problems like that's what is it saying that at that point you're supposed to move into different roles right give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day stock a lake with fish and he'll fish till he's 40 at which point it's generally not critical to anyone else that he continued to eat right cuz I mean it's a tragic and it's a tragic sentence yeah but but that's under up to you after I understand where where that's coming from and I hate to put this like number on on you know a yearly number yeah that you should sort of like say to yourself well I'm definitely over the over the apex right yeah it's a terrible thing well it just becomes I mean at that point it just becomes like again you're taking care kids fine or your actions are generally done to benefit yourself in the sense of like I want to do this creatively because it'll make me feel more into what I'm doing it's it's not yeah it feels like more like the decisions you're making are strictly for your own personal or your family's own personal benefit and I also interpret that to mean like you have nothing cool left to give society likey that's what that's me saying yeah I don't necessarily believe it but I think it's also it's also discussing its net to be a positive pieces by saying depressing because it's the same it it's up its up to you because that's the immortality part that it's up to you to turn into a different role to give back to be a leader to do that because you know what the game and the fun stuff that society was making for you yes not for you right it's not good for offer over for yes it's like leave the theme park now you gotta build the theme bar right or something fun yeah you gotta carve out your own sort of slot there I think so yeah which is why me being sad at a theme park makes sense because I should you know I gotta start making what you just got back from a theme park of so you're you're someone who's over 40 and you just got back from a theme park so how do you interpret that thing well I spend most time taking my kids around a thing so I learned to give up all the rides I wanted to go on didn't go on hyper space mountain at Disney oh cool they're calling Space Mountain Hyper's and a new riotous yet wait redesign what when the fall what well it's part of their hold the fort till that 14 acres yeah star wars are words they have this I didn't realize how much they changed it but apparently now they're slow Star Wars music their ships little battles and is there like Marvel there too there is a like meet the Marvel characters zone that's sort of far off in Tomorrowland like it's like in the corner yeah okay but the rest of it is all star wars and you jump to Lightspeed with the Star Wars music somebody had shot at a GoPro video with them in it going through the ride is pretty cool that is cool i wish i had done it but all most of the time was going through waiting on lines of Fantasyland storybook canal right after I star tours if you don't you don't want to do that taught a lot of zombies like I was taken on a lot of rides that were inappropriate for my age and I just sort of made the best of it all I know is you just went yeah I mean I cried my eyes out but I went I remember going when I was three and my parents took me on Space Mountain yeah and I cried yeah because it was like staring all four or five airplane crash simulator to me and I'm just like I couldn't even see anything that was going on it was just dark and I was like being shaken yeah but then when I went back when I was eight apparently i love the damn thing yeah yeah my son Alex went on roller coaster for the first time he thought it was scary yeah and at the end he said it was great so I saw the whole process in his head yeah the other one that happened all at once and yeah thank God went yeah and the other one on a finding nemo submarine ride and was bawling it's me I yeah yeah and did not find joy it's a women maybe you will it takes a certain age for you to just realize like this isn't torture this is fun yeah you know and I feel like a take everyone has their moment right on the borderline ya mean both um alright well look I I respect the fact that you're going through it's not a crisis is not anything like that you're just the episode where Scott it was that goes to the mid life grand no not at all i think this is just a healthy audit yes yeah I got the whole time while bring a lot of a deeper Philip flops yeah our philosophy books lately they're make you pee get all yeah tongue-tied yes making you like do drugs and whatnot right it's good i dream i was reading too much dystopian sci-fi so now i'm switching it up and reading well speaking of dystopian sci-fi we had a pretty long conversation about VR last week with Justin you Justin you only sees the darkest corners of VR yeah right he only sees like no this is that we're going to torture people in the future oh yeah I'm just like so okay that's one way to think about it uh and fulfill like all these deviant acts that you could never do and it's fine sure uh my question to you Scott as the person who has been uh reviewing all this stuff for cnet.com I need you to tell me like is we're in a weird spot right now because the the honeymoon is kind of over yeah there seems to be a general lack of interest on the internet about VR mm-hmm where do you see this like how do you feel about virtual reality on April 29th 2016 I think some of the bloom of the oh wow this is what VR is hmm is fading so I get after so many times using in so many different ways there was a time where just realizing that VR does what it does was cool yeah now I'm pretty used to that and then it's gotta be a well what else are you doing with it right and that's going to be a hard transition I think because a lot of the apps and movies and games really ride right now on the on the can you believe yeah that this is all around you right now and video is inevitably like I'm just more more aware that a lot of 360 videos really grainy compared to the video watch on TV doesn't always look right right all right my iPad even so um I'm really excited about new ideas I think they're coming all over the place as a ton of stuff but also you just it just becomes more painfully where how few people have tried this we're aware of an escape and now its sales what people can't buy them they can't buy them literally and or in other people are just not adopting that much and your times res Betham reissuing cardboard i think is another initiative but also i remember my mom had it sitting on her counter yeah for months and didn't even know what it was is it do you know Gino after showing her VR you have this right here and she's like oh I just thought that was like it I think she thought it was just some sort of a business I don't know what you business card holder what did you think yeah is a fancy bike helmets a coaster set it's a rectangular coaster set so that's a memento tell me about the first time your mother experienced VR that I think way she experienced which which which we are I don't humor me old samsung gear vr ok she haven't hooked her into VOSH odor cirque de soleil no I didn't I didn't I knew I don't want her to lose the problem is inept ever come over the house and upstairs to the to the ER we've yeah so it was it was I was burping just then that's okay unless you're a little burp on there you're human the you I think I think I tended to show people the virtual cinema yeah is that the mo you're looking at movie on a screen showed some of the political films like the bill clinton documentary 2 and she looked around and said oh there are a lot of nice things in his office oh look at that what is that look at that stuff on his shelf it's interesting is that what type of antique is that you know oh he looks very thin now he looks very old so you get and that's i find that too watching like boxing or the debates you start getting interesting like who's that guy running across this yeah what's that it's like you're hyper tended to small details and you not paying attention but um she thought it was really amazing my my mutt my brother-in-law's mother whatever that is to me about that my brother mother-in-law I don't think it's anything it's not it's just that woman said the Roman over there she I thought she was never into tech I showed her on netflix and she was watching something goes interesting i said now look her and then she finally realized you look around yeah oh oh ma she could giggle flora and saw the remote on the sofa yeah and in Cirque de Soleil show that was amazing my my actual mother-in-law and father-in-law and I'm folding it focusing on older because i feel like it not to be stereotypical those might be people you'd say oh they are gonna care about this yet but i think i raised but the reaction rate i want to get wine and their reactions or entertaining and yet you can't bail that's without a fantastic that totally unaware and little kids to yeah I trying on my son we thought it was like some sort of amazing magic goggle uh trip which it is um my wife still doesn't want to use it she hasn't tried it on now Wow scared she she's really not into the stepatech she tried a little bit centimeter dizzy I think she's hyper aware of the prosthetics of technology so she just finds its not comfortable that forget it um but friends who try it every time I think I downplay it actually and then they try a vibe for other things and every single person just says like that was amazing yeah how incredible 1 like 1 curmudgeon in 100 huh so that's that's still amazing to me but then again it's gonna burn through that and yeah there's a so what it is it just a theme park rider right and you and I think that works I mean it's great for parties and inviting people over and stuff like that but like I haven't bought one for my house and I don't necessarily know that I want to because it's like I don't necessarily want to play these games for hours and hours and hours I on I mean it's never F and cool and I think there's going to be some amazing experiences but it's just not necessarily the most relaxing thing I mean we talked about this last week but it's just not super relaxing to me and I'd rather just do it occasionally and have an amazing time then like just have it become a mundane thing all right let's do this three years it's April 29 2019 okay where we at vr well Trump is president ah hopefully uh where we threw out of much smaller we're all living over the ocean yeah I was gonna say it's rapture up in here what what do you so do you think it's small already know i think it's yes in rehab earlier prayers a long time but you think they're gonna you think there's gonna be a vibe to that's oh yes in three years yeah that's quick okay at least and actually that's just the beginning I'd be pissed what's what I think it's going to happen in three years is you're going to be in in the entry level area of like consumer mixed reality that stuff like hololens things that are going to be blending virtual reality and real where you're going to be able to turn the shutter and go into VR open it up and now it's not lending into your world all right but I think it's going to be prototype be sort of like the gear VR when it first came out a year which is now uh what a year and a half ago or a year over a year ago yeah give you our first came out boom that I think we're mean there was the rest of it will be very very streamlined and lower priced my question is though has it has it caught on I guess is what I also want to address like it's three years from now now has a good give a is it still here I registered over here yeah for certain percentage I don't think it's a broad success yeah um I think it's still here and I don't I think the PlayStation was gonna do all right though yeah I don't think it'll like destroy but I think it'll be okay I think you're gonna get I think you did enough having a much more common platform stuff right more lightweight and will be priced like a hundred fifty dollars yeah and then you're gonna be able to sort of almost mix-and-match and by ones in and plug them into wherever you need hopefully yeah and then it'll be just something you use or you don't use it's like did you want it and the more games will start Foley to get like you know adding a VR motor not if your mood I think it'll maybe not be so isolated and it's sure like platform gotcha all right I don't spend too much time on VR because it sounds kind of boring but I mean that's like almost where it needs to be yeah um to get people to use it let's talk about some stuff that happened this week with Nintendo yeah the company that for whatever reason people continually try and understand and I have been flying this flag for many many years sharing they are in the business of not give enough you know wow that's not it no that's not no listen I'm not done okay sorry not caring what we think like in the sense it like they've kind of been marching to the beat of their own drum for a very long time that's true and like they should like Oh a they'd 0 then want nothing to do with e3 they don't want to be at e3 they just don't I mean they want to be there more than a Activision does okay so it's a matter of degrees like a bunch of companies dropped out Nintendo Co dropped out if they wanted to they could have like I feel like they continually tell the world like trying to get out this but you just won't let us leave they drop their press conference many years ago yes that's a huge deal their booth presence has kind of stayed the same for I mean what are we talking about III are you talking about Nintendo's a company because III is a very different beast and I don't think it's exclusive exclusive to Nintendo that Nintendo wants to pull out like you have a lot of Commerce ease and it's just the nature of III as a show so right i but i think it's a it's a huge it's a combination of a lot of things with them and we're talking and the reason we're getting it is because we're talking about the fact that they came out preemptively ahead of e3 which is now what not even two months away yeah and they basically said a that new console we have we're not even gonna talk about it show it do anything with it at e3 right that's coming out march of 2017 yeah remember zelda thinking we promise you for 2016 9 s not happening either that's coming out next year as well on this NX system and wii u right and little cherry on the top of the sunday there's only one thing we're doing at e3 and we're just going to show you sell that we you brats it so pack light I mean it made perfect sense to me know that surprised me not at all anomalies heart was a bit disappointing well was it they really games if that's a crazy if you're not showing the NX um all I mean look at last year from Nintendo last year during e3 had like a handful of games yeah but it was such a it was like blown and it was low really paltry and and because they had moved all their developers over to this new console already so they have no Tibet dev support sure and and this year is even more so so like if you're not showing the NX there might have been a time when they planned on showing it but if you're not showing it you have no options you can't show anything so so and i also think like this is kind of become a party that they're not necessarily wanting to be a part of right uh III yeah um I mean it's hard to say I think I would be surprised if next year they came back hard in a big way I think they like having the gamers who like Nintendo a loyal wander and or people who are covering Nintendo I think with increasingly don't care about is us well that's yeah well I mean particularly like I think that they spawn tween the director exactly that's what is I think it's about the direct channels i think the reaching other stuff i think they're taking this end around and they're more about the competitions and the people who like nintendo culture and I just feel like it's it's more disconnected from you know they're just gonna do when they do it right of course and again like all this information out during an investor meeting this is not like a consumer-focused thing right this is an investor meeting which they like for whatever reason can't wrap their heads around the fact that like you know you have one of these things and the presses are going to pick it up yeah and they're going to cover this and I feel like you know you talked about maybe sending mixed messages and why not no these are the messages that everyone extrapolates from what you tell people who are invested financially in the company and they draw these conclusions yeah and they're most there no one's like making these crazy accusations I mean this is these are facts you guys got nothing for the rest of the year yeah that's I just will say that's and then whether a developer's tied him the NX or whatever that that is the biggest problem to me because I feel like you know from from the perspective people using this like at home my kid loves the we you know simply says he likes to play games on the wii u it's it's a system that's out there may not be as popular definitely is not as popular but you got to do stuff with that you got to have new games or have some team doing small little fun games i feel like it all kind of went to sleep where the games lately have no they for a while they were writing a couple years worth like again we're all surprises knowing that no they've been getting weaker well I guess the sales weren't there so they couldn't invest in this console that never soul right it makes sense what about smaller scale games what about these like you know kind of more retro indie if they're not really guilt Nintendo's a company is not really built for that sort of game and and where they are they're moving over to mobile so much I had been into for a while but not if it's stuff like me tell me toma was yeah really I'm really concerned bad it's bad terrible i played it for 10 minutes and then or I just couldn't even continue it was is it is it like a smash hit in japan i don't actually don't know it's not even like a game of weird except but it's not as good as other apps that are social or the people who seem into it seem to have invested a tremendous amount of time to get a little bit out of it I don't know yeah I don't know what the I mean I'm not saying I need to win the game but I need to have a point like Animal Crossing is a point right and this is just like I get to learn more about my friends in a bi hat occasionally like I makes me very worried about animal crossing mobile no yeah don't be worried it's just gonna it's gonna be no worry no it's I just gonna be a different version it's it's not gonna be new it's just well but there's a dump concern I'm concerned about two pokémon as well I I there's a dumbed down version my fear is that they're gonna make instead of making like the games that they've been making more mobile they're gonna make what they think are mobile games which is like right a lot of free to play like very abusive for you to play stuff and and they haven't shown that they can prioritize like a gameplay which is what they're known for exact over the money-making endeavors of like mobile yeah yeah it's a prioritization that makes that makes me I guess concerns not worry bits concerned it's it's it's the idea that it's balanced with this company it's it's the idea of you should be able to do both but but clearly uh you know now you have like they announced two more efforts on mobile and where are the other games and you should be able to do both but maybe you can't maybe you can't oh that's the issue is they were built as a company that could make these super high quality games and they were very expensive to produce and then they'd make a bunch of money and selling them because they'd sell for 40 hours via dollars or whatever but on mobile like you can't charge forty or fifty dollars so you need to make it up somewhere you just need to figure out a way where like free to play mechanics don't totally prevent people from enjoying an experience I would pay like five bucks a chapter or whatever it is or five bucks for like three hours of gameplay of fire emblem on mobile but they just need to figure out some sort of balance so like if like they need to get to the next I'm sure they will to the next stage of Super Mario maker style mentality and what would keep evolving what does that mean well I feel like that's a game that really balanced not just the retro but the flexibility the user created content and it's seemed like to head do a pretty good job of balancing stuff that Nintendo usually is not that good not a huge financial boon for them though no it's fine now I know it's like what are they doing but it was a huge I people cared about it in a game for the first time in a very long time so right like that's something to be noted and I think much it's I mean what I did but I think it did okay but it definitely didn't like turn the ship around for Wii U I don't think there was a game that could have done that for Wii U I think that that game feels like a mobile game and that's our handheld yes or OC change to me is why that you want to be doing those lows on a train yeah of course like any of your livers there's like an iPad app yep that allowed me to design levels like I it's that's gotta be honest Williams it seemed it's easy to say right yep but you know putting it into practicing in the execution of that is probably um you know a total disaster yeah so I don't know but Nintendo you know I being covering them for all these years you just learned that like they are doing their thing yeah and you know that it that investor meeting they they're saying like oh we're getting out of dude they're selling their majority stake in the Mariners yeah the baseball team uh we're we're leveraging our our IPS for theme parks yeah so looking for other income basis I mean they've had success with me Bo yeah and they were just gonna make more figures with I mean yeah right now they they they gentlemen they're well-known right hidden kink wanted yeah and and is a yeah and the brands are very valuable like I deal with Disney and Mario and a Nintendo would be very valuable yeah and all that stuff can essentially float them until they release the NX and if it's a big success than they're fine and if it's a total wii u disaster then maybe they can just reorg the company where it's just about using the brand and and licensing out stuff and then that's the end of it hmm so all right we're going to shift gears let's talk about uber last week I want to say there was a story uh uh where California was was was sort of like opening the door and going to but it was this sort of like not lawsuit yep but it was something where like drivers were fighting for the right to be able to ask for tips okay in Californian driven uber cars sure ah then I get an email the other day from the uber NYC and uber nyc's like nah don't don't don't worry about it nothing's changed you don't need to tip we don't expected to tip and that's the thing that we're staying with ok I just wanna like I don't know the second I saw that story about the California uber driver yeah like then being able to ask for tips i'm just like uber is totally just turn up not that this would be uber is fall shark but the fact that like all good things must come to an end right we're like the most attractive thing for me about uber yeah even when it even in its infancy was like oh if you throw away the on-demand car thing you throw the whole thing it was like I have to talk to this person right I have to deal with them I don't allow you wouldn't have let's face it so lift has tipping I use lived expert now that's is it up and that's what I'm saying so if if ever were to add tipping it would be a nap so you still wouldn't have to talk to the person the I mean well what do you mean so like all good things must come to an end they're gonna add tapping not today we're tipping but it's like the door for this really awkward and precarious relationship with the driver that you don't want to have would have opened up and like you know stained the otherwise kind of like you know you don't talk to me I'll talk to you well where I'm going relationship that it was C hat but it's interesting because you can't as a driver you can't and and if Eber makes it public like no typing no tipping if the driver asked for a tip then you're uber ratings going to go down as a dried of course so they're like drivers don't really have an incentive to go against uber in this scenario so they have no leverage yeah I don't know there was a loss there was a hundred million dollar lawsuit that they're settling in Massachusetts in California where uber drivers will remain independent contractors instead of employees right so so it minimizes the amount of hours are allowed to work because the second you go over that limit you to get the benefits all sorts of stuff right yeah I mean it was very weird I thought it was amazing that like they thought it was such a big deal that they had a email blast anyone who has an uber account sure New York well it Matt I mean I as you said it matters like it matters to you that I don't have to tip these people it's a huge appeal element to tuber it's yep for me it's like arguably the most confusing if you start hearing about the tipping straight I swear and the messaging gets all out of whack yeah yeah wood and i know we're definitely in a bubble here New York I think uber is amazing in other cities like la it is i I've kind of started falling out of love with uber in New York um and I just I'm curious like get your guys's take on it okay I'm kind of starting to think like there's too many cars by faith to make overs drivers like 19,000 ubers in New York it's crazy just use cabs in New York which in the ever you ever used a news not in New York okay but I was in the middle I use aliases like in the middle crown heights it was like nine o'clock on a Tuesday it's different I'm talking them the island oh you're saying Manhattan Hatton but like really brought a downtown Brooklyn you're not counting that I guess so i get it i mean but again like they're eight even parts of Manhattan like if you're all the way on the west side you might not be able to get a catching a cab stuff it's great where I live I mean like in montclair it's fantastic sure okay you know yeah you go to San Francisco it's great LA it's it's great it's true man i kinda just go for like whatever cars nearby and I don't like the hassle I don't even like the hassle i have seen people the office do with a call an uber and then they don't know where the ubers yeah waiting for that sure I get it I'd rather wait for an available cab I just feel like sometimes it the thought arises in my head that like maybe Manhattan's not built for uber like maybe this city shouldn't have this I mean they you mean from a business standpoint or not Mike from a total consumer standpoint but they do well in like I'll disclose my dad's in the tax like right but they do well here like why what makes you say they should be here it's I just think like I have a scaling demand right so like if I get it I get it but I've take them a lot in New York and I've just started to see the needle move in like the opposite direction where I was like I used to love it and I still go wrong if it's midnight a man right taking an uber right without a doubt I would keep uber and taxis and get rid of all the weird lurking cars you turn around your lurker well the drivers go do you ride really why we get get rid of those are banned you know I don't need the workers but you let you go back to the garage way for a dispatch don't here's what you like the weird hunting lurking them blossom lane I say given to them but I say don't get rid of like regular car service companies no but regular Carthoris cumbies don't go hanging around block then offering they're all sorry they're also having a tough time ask yeah what I would say is here's a big addition for me two for cabs and like to encourage me to take cabs in New York City a rating system for camps and I realize you can call for 11 or whatever and I don't give that I great my great did you know you can digitally hell yes I am aware but only because he told me I did they have an app called arrow yeah and it's like the same thing yeah but you can't rate the cab why is it called arrow it's a RR oh so a third party at I mean it's in conjunction right the sinir the department of taxi things is what it is I just it's like musing the New Jersey tan transit at to buy ticket show oh so that I happens but yet I will never use anything else because i'm not going to go up to a ticket booth and purchase it's the world second or even a kiosk and worse I'm just saying it's really frustrating to me to be able to have to take a cab and like there you know you know we're out Alex and I my fiance were out late and we're in the middle of the city and we're both tired and a cab drives by with the light on and we hail it and if it's like a miserable ride there I have no leverage beyond like not tipping them or tipping them a small amount it gives a lot some power to the consumer and the cab drivers would care like that carries that's a ongoing punishment in a bad driver something that has to happen where is right now like just one tip being low it's just this faceless person right hey look look if it's awful you can do it on the screen how amazing would that be like right in front of you just like how many stars would you rate this dry and you can and that's not impossible only thing is they can't rate you back that's the one reciprocal thing in ubers there's this why not you can cause you have no account no but like you could make it so that it becomes that you can make it that's an interesting about that super said you know you if you trash them because that's a thing as too much get upset in trash the drivers all time but there's the negative in uber that if you start doing that obviously they're good you know don't do that be a good person well you figure out a mean though yeah I will I always want to know when you rate an uber driver do you do they see their your rating you gave them now I they don't see which rating you gave them but obviously they see their rating right cuz I'm always just like this guy just see I gave him two stars no no no all right I don't think immediately I think uh they might only see the average um big you know if they only do one drive a day and their rating goes down after that apparently there's a way for you now to see your rating really and i don't know that i doona me I used to have them tell me we have to go into the settings under profile and it's under one of ya I'll get interesting she ever we were in LA and was that with you when the guy like week uber did it was like this really fancy Mercedes okay you remember sort of yeah and the guy volunteered he's like I don't do this a lot but uh I gotta let you know you got a five you got a 50 no 49 you saying i'll pick up anyone lower than a 47 yeah do you remember it a little bit just like I was having that happen for a while they were just coming out and then I found it in the app and i think i'm at 480 i know someone someone that already think someone didn't like mine on tip yeah maybe but i felt bad i was like and I got a tip these people there ya know I do that now I would your holy right it's got there's got to be a system in place where like the cab drivers can have that uber cuz there's no there's no incentive for them exactly right exactly and maybe if you're like the dispatcher you go hey to my my fleet of 12 cabs yeah whereas the highest rating at the end of the week you get an extra twenty bucks all right Burton first highest rating you get a Cadillac second highest rating steak knives third-highest right your fire and the no we fire the guy with the lowest rate you'll be that guy talking to you Russ I know you drive you know I try to find couldn't find where this is in the set it's the very irate it is Barry is pretty it's pretty bare interesting um so there's one story that will talk about with you again we'll finish things off with that but I want to uh pivot back into Scott while we're here cuz you know you are here a lot when you do specialize on a lot of specific things on Cena including the Apple watch I think a distant relative you are usually go like but you're busy cuz you travel on your way along yeah very bit you can see the family how much and when you're here it's like man we got pick his brain cuz he's not gonna be your back for a while exactly I'm cousin Scott your cousin Scott with the weird job yeah hope to see you again sleazy do mom oh you i bleep computer all those come and visit anytime crash on her sofa you should come out cap lay with all your gadgets uncle Scott banging my ring against the metal like it's like a punctuation yeah I think your trunk taking off my wedding rings okay Oh happen it's off for the podcast good now that the Rings off you can talk about the Apple watch there we go so uh it's a year in over a year in right it's over a year a year in a month I like that were doing these sort of like yearly audits on these products what what do you think yet well I'm in the process of re reviewing the Apple watch while you doin anyway why you doing that because it's year old and Pete and that's what people do now is they look back on products and because they haven't come out with a new one so if you're shopping for this it's changed a little bit and the landscape has changed a little bit and so uh the opinions a little different I see a lot of people wearing Apple watches I just don't see them using them yep that's the thing is what do you do when you use a watch you're not gonna be like sitting there right you know it's hard to tell and I always find it's hard to tell you you're not gonna sit there fiddling with it it's kind of designed to not fiddle with it too much I also think uh yeah i agree i see i I just got my teeth cleaned this morning that is an old and that I got my teeth clean I got my teeth clean and and she was wearing an Apple watch and I feel like I feel like inevitably like I see it more and more although I also hear about a lot of people have stopped wearing them yeah I have two friends with them I was at the lunch with one of them the other day and he had not he told me the war first thing about the watch is that he had yet to find the delicate balance of like using it in public and not looking like a total reject yeah yeah and to me I was like that's a weird problem but then I thought about we talked about I'm like oh wait I kind of get it because you it is this awkward interaction thing yeah and a little bit self-important yeah because if you think that somebody is annoying on a phone what you're saying on the watch is I am choosing to not be connected to my phone by staring at a watch right in front of you I could just as easily pull my phone out and do the same thing but I'm gonna do it on my watch instead even though it's more clumsy and so I yeah it's like a halfway statement it's like I'm not just I'm not connected but I am connected as you can do nothing yeah that's to me that just yeah no I'm not down with that yeah how long is it going to be like are they gonna refresh the hardware on this thing are they basically saying oh we screwed up no no they didn't I mean they're gonna keep on with this and at least for a while and the refresh I would guess would be opposite the iphone 7 sure and may help if the iphone 7 doesn't have as many features as rumors say that would be as amazing for people then having that alongside it would pet would spice up the event a little bit what does that mean but let's go deeper well because the iphone is it is it it's always one of the top search commodities on the site and people want to know but i don't want to read about it but sales dipped right on the iphone this year and it's their biggest part of their industry and none of you know at some point people are just going to stop upgrading all the time and we talked about all time with smartphone boredom they are amazing devices and they continue to evolve but i'll need one every year that's a thing and they approach and I've seen resume your articles debating this from everybody now in the industry and it's both their amazing but there are also commodities now yeah so it's commodity status not everybody needs every great future all the time the most people have got one and so yet you said a lot of people settle with not needing one right now right and there are very few tricks to pull out of the hat that are amazing at this point right I think there are not that many there are still a few but kind of few and far between a few people i've talked to that have switched from Apple to Android enjoy the notion enjoy the idea or at least then the idea that i can just get another new phone whenever i want like i don't have to do this year long waiting game yes where i have to wait a year to see if i want this phone right and then kind of go from there and you have a lot of different ideas for what you'd want you want a removable battery do you want this you want that right if ur incise is like i'm a guy where expandable storage the only thing I give a right well guess what just me like 11 phones this year that can do that and if you change your mind maybe you know you side now that doesn't matter this admires there's a phone out there Apple you've got to wait for their design decisions you know to match with yours or not and whether you're gonna bend or not and so that's always the battle but going to so I that's that that's the iphone but Apple watch I would say there should be one in September people are not expecting a lot of great changes but definitely battery life could be one of them so if you had a guess I mean if there's anyone who's can make an educated guess it's you what do you think of her battery life on that watch too I don't think it can get all that much better yeah because more than you know more than a day or day and a half yeah but the battery life limits on these things continue to be a challenge I mean that's like it's kind of hit a wall things like the pebble that last a week yeah that's because you're using different display technology and they're not doing the same thing but i would think that they're going to be able to try to get to a couple of days also to work in the feature of mitra my fitness devices they've never done sleep tracking now I'm not like a huge believer in the sleep tracking technology on the friends because they don't really work share that well but they do log sleep and I feel like that's kind of useful and they're part of the ecosystem for Fitbit for where they would all these things my phone log sleep though does it yeah how does how do I have an app that uses sound all your dummy and it works I'm telling you it work how did you sound so I mean when you an app it's called no no I'll tell you so it uses the sound from your sleeping from me like moving around or not sleep cycle it's called sleep sighs oh yes it what about doesn't pick up Alex I so they're actually linked which is pretty cool so because we're connect to the same Wi-Fi router it'll recognize which sounds she's making versus my sounds you both have this running at the dog there's no dog but if there was maybe I look at it is gonna sound a weird sentence I sleep with a dog yeah okay well then you can't do this you're a you this yeah it might not work with you're screwed um but it works it worked for me and it also wakes me up when I'm lightest and sleep so when I just start moving around that's when the alarm starts going off I like that it's really cool and it's very I really like me that's a smart it would interpret you Jeff as a very restless furry annum yeah be like well you getting so little so you're getting so little sleep and your heart is beating way quicker than should yeah I mean it's not tracking my hair are you a dog it was a fusion to preacher yeah it would see all of this is sean john candy from spaceballs as my profile it's just the epitome of like all the issues with the Apple watches that your phone just does all that stuff but better yeah just does lend and oh that's just I don't know man I wanted to want own Apple watch I said it that's the thing at the number one thing when people ask me now and it's kind of how I'm going to this now just the other day people still ask try get an Apple watch yeah it's like a very commonly asked question if they know that I write about tech or I deal with this stuff because people have not gotten on the path you don't know if they want and generally the answer is no you don't need a question right Napa watch but I do wear one I find that in a messy landscapes awful and it's kind of like a tether to keep you connected but that's the thing as do I want to be connected I'm trying to not be as connected right and also it does a very mixed to not to not good job of staying connected to things in your life obviously when you're not near a phone right which so then if you're always on the phone why of that but we're not in a world where if there's some fantasy I guess of this being a super connected device to everything around those things are was working without being next to a foot by can you even work out like is the stand yeah you were out without the phone and it works fine well in so it has actually a fair amount of stand-alone things music playing if you want store stuff on it you do the fitness tracking even Apple pay sure um and if you go near Wi-Fi hotspots that it recognizes it gets messages it gets these ok but not but not all of them so you're kind of like but they're gonna switch to that in June they're gonna make all the apps run natively and I think it's gonna start running warm Wi-Fi so it's cool but it's not in it doesn't really feel like it's really keeping an eye on everything or sure yeah yeah it feels still like it's being a bit either or a bit of a reminder device right uh and I just I wanted to be able to stay on all the time if I wanted to right after worry about charging but you wear yours yeah now do you do it just for the job or do you do it because you genuinely like it no I do it because I like it but I don't do it I don't love it and that's a thing as I like it because I think it's the best for messaging yeah ok I think it's the best among smart watches for getting quick messages and information and not always being responded to it easily none of them do it that well but this one does it pretty well it's interesting that I find a lot of people giving off the sentiment that they they almost kind of like make this compromise they're like yeah I just have to like force myself to like yeah a little bit or force myself to wear it and I just kind of tell myself I like it well I've heard that and i use it i always use some sort of activity tracker fitness tracker I think it's finished trackers pretty good what it's lacking is the rest of the fitness tracking ecosystem other stuff has like social mm-hmm competitive stuff um being able to do the tracking nutrition built-in things that you just you you would assume you have the option you have to a third party apps but right the basic daily goal keeping on it is good sure and stands in for that so i use it for that you civ4 dumb things like the weather dumb but it's useful for that whether it's important i only get weather for my phone yeah and if I Drive I use it of course you could obviously use and some people with cars are you do this stuff you can get turn-by-turn directions through bluetooth but I actually use it in addition to ping me with all turn remind right yeah that's like that which is good and especially my family's asleep or not around I want to just kind of at night get a little heads up on it is it vibrate yeah yeah it vibrates makes it that's the touch whatever it's called yeah the taptic sick a faint vibration on songs pebble it makes little sounds um and it and and it and it turns on pretty easily awareness by don't like you have to turn to turn on yeah yeah but it doesn't ever have doesn't often have any fail moments for that uh that's why I use it but I feel like those extra hooked in futures just a little bit more than the pebble yeah uh are why I do it but I do do it because I work it's like it's hard to draw the line I do a series of wearables I've always been kind of it I've always been a bocce techie geek totally not everybody is gonna be like that I get it and I'm I'm kind of I'm that person as well I've recently fallen into like a renaissance of like analog watches um I'm like back I see the money of Colin's every day I just like on your rest yeah i just really like unique kind of watches i like uh you know I but here's the thing right like I used to be the casio guy I used to be the like I cell phones i would like tell the temperature up the watches that would give me the temperature have like readings and yeah you know I never the calculator watch but I had the watch that change the TV channel yeah at the memo bank watches I had I had one watch listen to this I gotta find this I had a watch from casio that vibrated when my phone rang wow how long ago it was all what dude it's a definitely ten years ago that's amazing we gotta find it it would also go off it use bluetooth know it used this is gonna freak you out like an acoustical know it used some sort of like wave sensor and it would go off when I walk in front of Michael oh that's disconcerting that's amazing yeah I never really such a dick I school I need to tell that story more yeah yeah and I gotta find what that watch was a man who walked in front of micro and like I would just know it was crazy to as at the meteor honor whatever the hell it was was so sensitive that it would go off if I had pulled I was driving so it had to be at least 15 years ago um I would drive in a car stopped at a light the person next to me was on their phone it would vibrate weird that's weird it was faster % casio did so many case you wonder why casio is not involved in making smart waters now I spoke with castle before talked about this I think that they're kinda like a company like Nintendo that just like they do there that we know that we know or do yeah proud legacy been anyway I not that bring reminds me the number thing that bugs me at the Apple watch it needs more watch faces yeah if you're like a watch nut or design fetishist you should be able to download or get whatever watch faces you want right and I'm anything an apple still has no watch face God there is insane yeah and they have a built-in bunch of 10 or 11 yeah customized but it's not enough i mean they get really old they're very repetitive and yeah you know what that if I had a really cool i just want awesome watch faces that show more yeah I don't want to load the apps the apps are awful right tell you why they don't do it yeah they don't do it I know I try to monetize like they won't have a store to forget it but it'll be a cert thing right it'll hot you submit a watch face yeah that's gonna take seven to 10 business days for us to vet it oh definitely there's gonna be curate because the second someone flicks their wrists and shows the most hideous Apple watch face I will not be right there really are that's the guy it was really good definitely a problem with pebble right it is but in but you can't that's wonderful and terror yeah you can't reject they couldn't reject things as like this is ugly no but they could reject like an overcrowded thing I mean I think it'll be much more heavily curated we're gonna develop partnerships yeah I kept saying was gonna happen and it didn't now I think it's gonna happen in September they'll announce the Apple watch to with with you know you have your Disney line you have your philippe starck did watch faces are sure they could partner with all sorts of designers I just think it needs to happen yeah because at this point if it's supposed to be a cool watch it's not cool enough even as a watch if they missing those extra faces if they came out with a hybrid analog sort of hybrid thing which like I know I think if there's one coming I could pull it off could be them we're like they teamed up with like tag or a you know whoever you know scoggin whatever it is like make a make a watch that has both we're like maybe I could see through that screen on top and see a second hand below it it's definitely possible and like I that I almost like that my happen it's uh it's totally not possible and maybe like down the road yeah like once Apple watch become such a Morgan eyes commodity in the right brain branching out other design before we uh go into the last thing here give me two major maybe like out of the box predictions about Apple watch too can I get can I ask you that oh yeah like aside from battery life uh I know I'm putting on the spot here now I've been thinking about this yeah one would be maybe FaceTime I mean if they go down I think people can go to adjust yeah have a quick little call with someone right it's it it's again it's samsung tapped into that it's a fantasy soon like I do you think I like this like they'll have a you know you put your your wrist up to your face and you can't you just gonna like show people stuff yeah it's cool I mean again can do with your phone but anyway this is the exact that's a thing yeah the thing is why do you need it I have a second one which might be merged into you but so far this stuff has been a big mess is a cellular I mean we need a on standalone question is how do you do then have the battery like not be bad the gear s2 3g aight i wore for a while which has cellular doesn't not bad job like massive its massive its massive the battery life is maybe add a lot oh here's which is like nine manners you install look that macbook and you worry about having a cellular in to talk about worrying about something wrist not so much that person but I mean give this giant chunk alike cell phone yeah send in your wrist all day did get hotter hope that's okay and you have one next year lowers yeah I have one at things everywhere so it's like basically well like look at what I've gotten fireman when they show the cross section of that stupid macbook they have with like the whole thing's a battery of the screen it's like a little ziggurat of like tiered Barry so why don't you do that in like the band of the watch like oh just do that at thank thank you for reminding me but not to say you yes you're you're totally right and also I agree and I will say that yes smart bands would be a fantastical yeah I like that pebble has promised that they would do that for a while yeah those those pebble watches have the connector I think they'd a real problem getting any traction yes their company is not you're not doing well well I mean what was last time you heard about pebble as a top smartwatch and he had a market I guess but like if someone said to you do I get a pebble or an Apple watch I feel like you would recommend a pebble know mmm III think is really torn right now I like pebble for if you get it cheap if you get it for 150 bucks yeah get a pebble what about okay so i mean but i don't i feel like pebble needs a bigger watch also i think it's slowing down I haven't seen as many interesting software app things I think it does is basic notification things just fine yeah I like pebble time steal a look of it but then you're paying up to 250 what are they gonna do what does that company have to do I got am I want to see some of this I want to see that smart band stuff work but the question is how do you make that appealing but face is too small the screens to small on those watches a couple I think the problem is that it's really hard to interact with yeah because with those buttons only you're caught I don't always like touching on a screen sure but with the buttons in the app sometimes they don't all work the way one yeah and something you want to do something and you say i'm not really sure how I can do it yeah I think they just think they also have to make their their fitness stuff which is actually getting better baked all these watches need to bake all their features right at the top gotcha you don't have to dig down yeah the things make it more about what you can see as a dashboard right away in as few steps as possible they all say that but I feel like it actually doesn't become that good watches all right well there you have it that's the hot take one year later all done from Scott Stan about SmartWatch landscapes including pebble and Apple watch we've pivoted into the social commentary section of our phone well let's not preface it because it's important that I i make it clear oh wow you were starting to preference and I don't even know what I want to talk about I don't but that's part of the fun it is setting you up for certain disaster sure okay so what do you want to talk about Russ so here's the deal i started a new job this week I can't talk about it yet i'll talk about it next week it's fine this guy what's fine i I just haven't always public yet and this is not the show to make it public so its ranks no offense it's your own show um when I start a new job and I was there all week and we were having meetings on one on a certain floor of the building that I hadn't been on before and uh you know we there was a break in the meeting and I walk outside and there's a bunch of people working at that's whatever and I was looking for the bathroom and I ask someone where the bathroom is and they're like oh it's right over there and I turn around and I start walking to the store and then as I got closer I see the sign it says in all it's an all gender bathroom okay I'm like okay whatever i'm going to i watched a linear feel whatever it's fine uh that's the connection i made to it that it's like using like hello fellow young people so as I'm walking in it occurs to me cuz like I don't want to get graphic but I needed to make it to and it occurs to me wait I wish everyone saw the little snarl that Russ just did but anyway you had it you had to make a poopie I had to make a poopie yeah and it occurred to me that I had never in my life use the bathroom maybe when I was to make a poopie with a member of the opposite sex never in my life in wait so this was like multiple stalls multiple stalls okay three different stalls all right and as I'm walking in and it's empty when I walk in but it's three-stall other people join you as you go wait a minute so like or there's no urinals there are no urinals because so now is that a thing like oh that's interesting yeah because like I would feel uncomfortable with a woman walking into me peeing in a urinal okay that's why there's no journals I'm sure she would feel uncomfortable too is this the death of the urinal is this the death at a funeral I guess a yourselves are very efficient I love yours with them off in the side where no one can see how no no the best journals are the ones that go all the way up car door honey here's and then it becomes sexist because it's only for one sex let me let me say the reason i mention this it is obviously in the news right now right people freaking out there's assholes in the world who don't understand how to live life and let me reiterate the fact that like I think the idea of like trans people going into bathrooms and harassing pick up members of whatever is an imaginary issue that people are like maniacs and Alabama are making up so I'm sorry Alabama go on zing um so I think like I think it's a joke so this is not about that or whether I think it's a good I course not it's just about this realization that i had as i was walking in um where was like and I like sat down and I was like this has to be the quickest poop of my entire life that's all it is that's all this is it's a design to get everyone to poo quicker right it's like a proto anything yeah you found that it was effect you can its bed you up it sped me up why would also I found that I will never ever poop on that floor again I didn't even take your phone out oh no it was like a lightning poop I feel like it would freeze all processes and that um my body would go into some sort of digestive arrest like so yeah I wouldn't be constipated for days it's an amazing thing like have you um no but like I haven't I've never ideas never look and my wife does not like me pooping next to her what do you mean how does their her yeah mine doesn't either she goes go to the bathroom you're gonna do that you know like I mean if you ever had a situation where and we don't cuz when I'm side we don't have isn't her side by side toy yeah should be a thing right I think that's awesome and make that is the thing for like the uber-rich probably happen yeah who's like bizarre we're like it's like two heads in the shower the support where you were saying that um yeah I just never had them on my life where I've done and number two next to someone of the opposite sex is usually they don't like that right my idea why also use I don't like Casey I have a different and there's no opportunities like someone's brush your teeth enemy but he writes things like we kind of just don't care and we kind of like leave doors open and talk okay okay fine Joanna doesn't like that yeah no yeah we don't I i I'd i went online i think i would not mock but the doors closed look usually i want a little miss here's the one rule we have just don't touch each other like when that's happening right but you talk all you want relieve you for like you brushing teeth and you're pooping or yeah in the same place in china's course people and talking but like the second like you accidentally rub elbows your mmm do you look at each other's you're talking or pretend it's a phone call the know we look I guess you've got yeah we literally mean this is someone that you've been married to for many years yeah you were dating that many years were for so imagine that scenario not maybe exactly they're not brushing teeth yeah but still like in the same room with a complete and order strange now how much space is at the bottom of the stall it's not a full door normal stall I want I'm okay with it really when it wouldn't phase you in other ways I don't think so because you know what we all do it I that's true and I it's a natural thing but it's this weird like unfamiliarity this is the kind of thing I always think about this when I grow up what's gonna make me sound like an old grandpa racist to my kid is the pooping with pooping only poop yeah it's like segregated into this is happening so I don't even know exactly I think it 20 years there won't be doors or wow that's that's you be like why you guys not okay with just open poop that I don't think that's gonna I think that makes that doesn't I would I would is that a privacy thing yeah I think maybe people all be wearing VR all right I have they get to the total 0 is out your VR glasses what are you doing with your open mixed reality glasses while pooping what's wrong with you shut your lenses uh yeah it'll be just a your other reason I think they like I would ordinarily say oh they're all going to be you know mixed gender toilets in the future but it's an expense issue which is to say male a toilet oh man 1 or way cheaper than female tour looks like oh and plus I only need to build one now just make it a little bigger I only need one bathroom now I just have to add like a few more stalls what are you saying I'm saying so I'll have to build a woman's and men's bathroom now okay first of all space is not infinite you can't just like turn one bathroom into a second bathroom with no problem no but I'm just saying like you save space you save space ultimately a slightly larger yeah okay i get i get to larger you don't have to do care at the sinks in the same way right it's more efficient but but soap dispensers those gotta stay separate ok that's what's guys there's no I miscegenation of us up to spend the automatic and I'm fine with that with shared bathrooms but what I'd be worried about is the sort of like uh in a Larry David II sort of thing like I'd be worried about getting out of the the restroom and that someone else like being upset with me for some reason cuz you and I don't read it well that yeah the night is going first a light but how many i just had yeah just had to use the bathroom core everybody hates me now like you know I feel like that I'd be worried about that so all right now only fifty percent of the people hate you you're worried about a hundred oh yes just by using the bathroom look and I want to not bother anyone but i will i'm not saying night that arable moves I'm saying evide bleah upset people yeah yes that's it that's I worry about just like you know would it I mean I feel like I it's already awkward in the men's only bathroom sometimes totally optional as like why not it why not let everyone experience the horror anytime I recognize somebody's ankles in the bathroom next to me and i realize i'm pooping next to somebody that I know yeah and I not gonna try to delude myself cuz I know I just that's Bob that's definitely Bobby he's the only one who has those brown and pink f adidas yep there's a dance those are dance shoes that's it I know it's him I say when you know it's someone say hi why but I've talked I've definitely not during poop but during yeah we could do that one sentence back and forth is fine everything any conversations screw you and I don't dare make eye contact understanding you don't so white standing in the bathroom and talking Oh nuts I mean at the urinal I mean you know oh definitely not at the arrow I don't mind that I got someone I know I hey what's them but I that reminds me of a like terrible memories of going to jets games as a kid yeah at the trough yeah everybody's talking about to cry talking about ken O'Brien it's just like a big elephant drink no um alright I think we could close it off there yeah yeah all right Oh mystery you're gonna zip it up right there but zip it up and get out of there there we go big thanks to Scotts time for coming on the show today where can people follow you mr. Stein I'm a jet Scott on the dying app Twitter do you think twitter's done I don't know I like Twitter a lot I wanted to be bought by a Disney or something that would be crazy we don't want that at all that's it would just be epcot symbol on exactly arby's Twitter don't have the money for maybe they do now but yeah I follow me a jet jets got all right and be sure to catch the Apple watch refresh review coming right yea yea and all that right now trying to find a way to write it without making people bored or angry good look I good luck with that it's hard with that product I'm sure mr. fresh dick yep and we could follow you at resurrection rustic listen to the west wing his true class almost done with the first season congrats is there a test at the exam we did have a very cool guest recently she was on the advanced team of the Howard Dean campaign and she had a conversation with him 30 seconds before he gave his infamous like screaming oh and she says she basically was saying all those words to him like hey just focused you're gonna go to you know South Dakota and Massachusetts and you're gonna go to DC and then you're gonna take the White House like very calmly and he walked out on stage and screamed angelika black man essentially lost any kind of political relevance is so if you're looking for interesting Polly out west wing mr. question that's really cool and then follow me on twitter at Jeff Bakalar we're back next week with a brand new show eight six six four for Cena is the bone number sorry we did not get the boys news this week but we'll jump back in next week have a fantastic weekend listen soon