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hey what's up everybody it's Friday it's April 22nd 2016 this is the 404 show thank you for tuning in even though we're all about to get together tonight and celebrate the very important holiday we're all yeah Justin to write standard tonight yeah you come for that it's Passover it's Passover this podcast is kosher for Passover can you bring guests to Passover dinner yeah an invite from you oh we don't talk about that I mean yeah I think like part of Passover and I should probably know this but again is inviting people ya know it's like it's like oh let's open the door to the whole not homeless I don't think they want homeless people coming Elijah oh no they they scoff at the homeless but they want the hungry and what about the invisible prophet Elijah that shows up and drinks or wine so there's a part in the service in the in the dinner service okay is this real or not Justin there's a part in the service where someone opens the door the front doors guy no to an invisible man named will call him Elijah okay and this could be real and Elijah has his own a cup got incoming wine cup of wine in the center of the table okay and they go alright Elijah come on in you're late as usual yeah come on in have every time have a sip mm-hmm we lie I guess everyone stands up and welcomes Elijah into the house wait is that real is that real I think it is real it's real because you're not laughing about it well it's hilarious but you actually do get up and open the door yeah everyone does it yeah there's a lot of OCD in Passover there's like you'll wash your hands four times that's determined on like how religious you are obviously I think like every book you read from right has many many times you you wash your hands you take one sip of wine you basically go through a really weird thing but it's also arguably the best story in the Old Testament right I'm not in terms of like action-packed there's giant waves there's insects there's death is flying around it is a blockbuster it is it's a summer it's a springbok yeah it's true unfortunately it ends with really dry brisket which is a bummer yeah it ends with food that's like super overrated and it ends with like you being constipated for six days I think a filter fish was one of the plagues originally and it just got worked in do you know what the plagues just yeah I do of course I know about the place it's so oh my god locusts then yeah I don't know it's tough for like a little kid it's fun for a little kid because you're like oh this is a weird dinner it's a party no I remember having a good time my uncle who used to do the leading the leading it sure it still does made it a lot of fun for for me and my brother cuz we were just like oh that's uncle Howie he's crazy yeah he doesn't really take this seriously cuz it's all bullshit right he's having fun with it don't offend the listeners there are some I'm just saying the voice I'm echoing the voice of ten year old Jeff right it was just like I already said different from adult he was less polite about it but anyway yeah not only are our drinks that were holding their kosher for Passover Meltzer which is really the drink of the Jewish man this is the choice of a Jewish generation if there was any drink that was associated with Jews it would be something like the New Balance of the earth choose and particularly it's it's baby it's basically the bagel of everything today oh is it has really fallen in terms of promotion the only reason I know that is because city bike in New York is offering free rides to anyone if you go and sign up online Oh you want to maybe not drive a car today in respect but that's like signing up for free Netflix for a day everybody would have to pay for it yeah just for a money-making scam well I think the bigger story is that I read on Reuters a couple weeks ago that apparently there's been 23 million bicycles rented across the United States and a bunch of these bike share programs for major cities but there has not been one reported case of a fatality involving a bike show just one there's no way that it's possible that it's happened but just not has not gone warded yet for some reason so what's the big deal but it hasn't gotten track always been my concern was the second you open up these bike shares and you have like tourists visiting New York City I don't have the balls to ride a bike in New York City let alone like some guy from Ohio that's never been here before there's no way that guys renting a bike that I've definitely seen tourists riding bikes for the street definitely yeah yeah Park Avenue - well there's that big shot you mean when they shut down Park Avenue or like when traffic oh yeah when it's actually running yeah so there must like unless all these cities are burying it yeah it could be that you can the stand people people died today on those share bikes yeah 38 this is actually the new season of The Wire they're bringing it back to us for this really unbelievable 38 that ain't that bad yeah that's been a very green week so far I guess so oh are you referring to well cuz you have right now I'm just looking at a bunch of pot leaves in your computer well that's the thing not only you know it was at 4:20 this week which is very important to people 20 is the new April Fool's can I just say I was you didn't let me finish they say for toys very important to people who don't smoke pot like that is essentially what that has turned into but in the in the tradition of Passover the ancient holiday of Passover uh turns out uh some sort of prolific rabbi has deemed marijuana to actually be kosher for Passover which of course it is cuz how the hell else are you supposed to get through all that time with your in-laws yeah that's tough you gotta be stoned and you gotta make that food taste good leaven bread is zero good yeah no one's ever been like oh can I get some more that matzah I do kind of like the apple nut combo what you the chopped apples and corrosives Carosa erosive I think it's called not corrosive corrosive sets and the horseradish also has a peel yeah it's not a really good horse but everything else is garbage I completely agree with you it's pretty gross um so Belarusian rabbi Haim Kavinsky yeah has said that marijuana Manske doesn't matter marijuana may be used by the Jews from all backgrounds so I include Asian Jews as well those exist they do exist I'm looking at one urine by just by the transitive property of a friendship and the seltzer and the cell the same and the mahjongg yeah so it doesn't matter what kind of Jew you are any Jew at from any background is allowed to smoke or consume marijuana yeah yeah nobody smokes pot just for no reason you could get you know those jackets they have for dogs that are like stress jackets get them in a second right come on you're telling me all the California has like mad at medicinal issues yeah give me a break no Paul it's great yeah isn't that awesome yeah been holding out Jeff I know I've been waiting until somebody actually made this okay so bread no breads bad right but pot go nuts yeah you know it's a bummer though is cuz like I can't imagine like you would want like a bagel after smoking and you really can't have that like your options are severely limited like you're gonna have some fish you know I guess what do you mean sushi maybe it's sushi okay no the rice rice would be bad you'd have to have like sashimi and then not eat the rice yeah exactly did you say sashimi sashimi sashimi whatever you're not Japanese don't correct me it's not like you have any authority on that right yeah no that's good I don't like sashimi anyways it is excuse me I'm excited man Passover this year haunts my kids like first kind of real yes I know but my first but Dylan's gonna like a part of it yeah I'm not excited for him to be exposed to it I just like enjoy you know watching him being different situation and indifferent to things yeah being indifferent and in differences I was at his first birthday party okay a while ago and he was doing extremely well I was very impressed because first birthday parties are kind of a nightmare situation for kids yeah because all that it's crowded and there's all this attention scary he held it down for way longer than I thought it was gonna be he's a good man I'm gonna have to bring him back into the office one day yeah you know come on the show and slap me like it does no no way he slaps slaps the shit out of my face just like and laughs the whole like prompt him first having his hand just like grab I just like put my face in his face and he goes like haha yeah it's like he's in slapping yes that's the move there you go I'd love to see that yeah it's pretty funny I'll have to snapchat it or something okay you sir mr. Justin you were talking to me this morning around the bagel pit as I like to call it and you were saying this crazy story about like 3d printing and tracking 3d printing yeah I know how much you guys are aching for printing stories and we actually have a few of them in the right now yeah which is kind of appropriate but of course I put it in that's what you bring with uh with yourself all right if I can if I can take the challenge I will try to make printing exciting for you guys I think and this story is kind of cool I think you make printing sexy oh I have not owned a printer in five years and you should so you've got an uphill battle ahead of you but I believe in you okay well this is 3d printing so it's a little different that's cooler already yeah so the story we're talking about is uh so you see I which is a University of california-irvine in Southern California they're sort of re-examining the copyright laws surrounding 3d printing right now because last month they discovered this crazy vulnerability where you can actually make a one-to-one duplicate of a three printed object just by analyzing a sound recording of the original printing process so you know what the printer was you don't have to know what the printer was really just even crazy so if you guys have ever if you haven't seen a 3d printer in action it emits this kind of crazy noise that's similar to the sound of one of those old dot-matrix yeah right it's like as it goes across the printing platform because it's a it's a real mechanical extruder that's laying down material right um and but that's not making that sound all the time it's only when it's pressing down layers and so that's how they do it as its extruding that plastic you can steal information to be used to recreate exact replicas not even just a rough estimate a one-to-one dupe so there's no variance essentially it's either binary so it's either on or it's off right there's no like I'm putting in a lot of whatever material name right right the only thing that you might I think might not be able to get correct is the dimensions the exact dimensions of it as in scale because I think if it's printing out a thick layer versus a thin layer you won't be able to tell but it doesn't do that but it'll be yeah I can do that but so then there is a varying amount I think there's a slight variance but you could still definitely make out what the original product yeah that's crazy yeah it's crazy because I don't think people have really figured out what you can do with it yeah it's just kind of exposed in this vulnerability but you can see how if a company is manufacturing prototypes of something it won't keep a secret Wow you can go in there with an audio recorder and huh so think about that that's some kind of like backwards hacking I never thought you'd read even like consider it reminds me I was telling you before reminds me of sneakers yeah totally when voice is my passport verified right and also the dude who's like in the trunk of that car oh yeah any like explains what a highway they're on due to the the sound of the car I'm in a cocktail party cuz he's surrounded by flamingos right that's so damn good go back I feel like a lot of real hackers say that sneakers is the only like realistic depiction of that ever in a movie does that I guess it does I think I've seen pictures of it the blind computer with the Braille on it yeah like where it's constantly changing is like super wicked really yeah yeah it's pretty interesting I don't know yeah I know a lot of blind people use screen readers yeah as they're like go-to now I'm curious effect at the Braille we thought that was a real thing oh I don't know Wow sneakers 1990 and the cast was like couldn't be stopped Sidney Poitier who's Robert Redford not the Redford River Phoenix isn't that movie as he mentioned David's truth heron as the blind guy Kingsley right Wow it was like every single person in this movie was a huge star yeah Wow you everyone that Kinect came out a few years ago people were kind of freaking out about this same sort of copyright law issue where people were just scanning things oh yeah and I remember Disney sort of took issue with it because they were like well if you start scanning our action figures you're gonna violate our copyright laws and it kind of had to adjust the rules based on that but I feel like you could scan people's faces too and just have a sort of a picture of them which is sort of the same thing as just taking a regular photo right I think the thing with the sound that a 3d printer makes it's like you know I think that's just like a very temporary thing too though cuz like odds are that technology moves on begin and changes and maybe become silent or you just program it so it adds noise randomly you know what I know that white noise on top of a printing exactly yeah I would wanna like make the noise and print out the noise you know and see what that makes like no you know if Justin got it you mean like onomatopoeia like you're saying the noise yeah I'm saying the printer noise maybe you just say like desk this is so nerdy but there was a YouTube video that I saw I'll try to defend it to you after this but someone used a spectral sound analyzer to use their voice to do exactly what you said to make basically make pictures sure in the equalizer yeah so you could just by going like this yeah like you know create a spike and then use now you could draw things like you know we've talked about based on that the crazy like hidden messages stuff before right right in popular songs but though and also that but like the sounds that those pictures make and that make sense in your head oh yeah they're all like staticky crazy like right like weird stuff oh there was one song that was in that segment we gotta go back and listen to yeah are so we got to listen to what the hell it is we were talking where it painted over the course of an entire track it painted a photo if you isolated this guy's voice it pinned a picture of a scary face yeah love that so much and really creepy but I don't think people put that level of effort in anymore well yeah a little-little Easter eggs just not like the whole beutel's thing with paul being dead right I don't know if that was fan manufactured it 100% was not are you kidding me are they they've talked about it they don't need to talk about there's so much stuff that's like as it goes farther and further along once you dig in all you do is get dirty like weird backwards phone number and the cover for Sarhad peppers Oh Steinem and it you call it a number he's the walrus and he's the walrus which is death apparently I guess obviously it's the Grim Reaper or the walrus it's a man I whether it's real or not even though I'm pretty sure it's real I love that stuff it's so interesting why it's cool I love having fun yeah what was the last really cool thing like that popular culture Jack White had that special vinyl that came out a couple years ago that people were freaking their beaks about it was freaking their beak so you know when a record turns it created this weird hologram that was projected on top of the record of a dancing ballerina that was kind of cool and then how do you set the needle halfway on to a groove it would play a different song there's like two different versions of the song depending on where you on the record how did it make also in Reverse because there was a photo that was printed onto the onto the sticker yeah on the middle of a thing and then when that turned I guess it like reflected in the cartridge that's crazy picture and then you told me something ll that was the crazy thing too is the sticker they actually printed grooves underneath the labels are you peel and so you could put the you didn't have to do that you could put did needle directly onto the sticker and it will play a hidden track very short that was medical I remember there is something super weird that they put in a magazine oh it was an advertisement yeah a credit card I think it was American Express I remember you bringing that and what could you do you could like play it somewhere ah what the hell was it a long ago there's a lot of weird stuff like that but you're right it does seem like the fun of that has has been kind of you know disappearing from the zeitgeist yeah yeah I kind of wish that stuff's no advice buys physical shit anymore yeah actually I was gonna talk to you guys about this - did you guys know that if you print a print job using a color laser printer you can actually track that job back to the source and actually find out what the serial number for the printer way was built on wait a minute now you said that I will try and Reese a it to you yeah okay you're saying that if I print anything using a laser print color laser printer has to be has to be color okay that's a huge caveat okay so I print a photo of my kid on a laser printer the color laser printer any good some kind of warning factor yeah so how does that work so I don't think a lot of people know this but it's kind of the only interesting thing about consumer-level laser printer and why only color well the reason why is because way back I think it was in the 80s they would started doing this all the printer manufacturers do this to Canon Xerox I got the reason why service yeah Norfolk County came out of it exactly why so every color laser prints a copy of a unique ID that goes back to the printer manufacturer to prevent counterfeiting so and it's like just embedded so yeah and this happened back when color lasers were invented I think in the 80s the government and printer companies established a partnership and agreed to do this silently Wow if you go back you can actually read when this was discovered by the Electronic Frontier Foundation I think it was back in the 90s like ten years after it was invented so if you look at a printed page I brought something out for you it doesn't matter because you can't actually see it but if you held that piece of paper that was printed on a color laser if you held that underneath a bright blue light or a microscope you'll actually be able to see these dots that you can trace back to the source and you can't see them there so so that's wrong actually a page it's just in ones this is I know what it looks like and I'm sorry for the maybe you can narrate what I'm showing okay so it kind of looks like a so this is a sample of like a light see if you yeah if you held a color laser printed page underneath a microscope it's a series of little yellow dots and if you sort of start to decode this this is for Xerox but every manufacturer has their own code you can see that it shows the time that a print job oh wow so there's like a whole Colgate and also the unique serial number for the hardware that it was printed on so you could check out oh this was printed on like a Xerox model number whatever that's cool and exactly when it was printed so it's like almost like this like birth certificate kind of thing yeah yeah where that's so weird they know does like Epson know what printer I'm using based on the serial numbers so the lesson here that we have to learn is never register your printer right is that the serial number will come back to you and if you ever end up selling your printer or throwing it away on the street where I see a lot of those they'll stay it'll still stay with it and if someone decides to you know try to scan now that there is like you know flatbed scanners and printers you try to scan a dollar bill that will get reported back to the internet they don't allow like most printers correct me if I'm wrong won't print or scan anything that looks like a dollar bill yeah if you try and if you zoom with Photoshop yeah Photoshop won't let you import a legal note right believe me I've tried it'll actually pop up a little window will pop up yeah try to photos yeah nope not word it's like do you really think it's that easy yeah it's like deal do you think I'm an idiot yeah do you think I'm a damn it not the first time it's been tried before but it still exists and it's funny cuz printer manufacturers will not acknowledge it but you can go back and check out the e FF article and everyone does it so what's cursing is I was smart to not have a printer for the last five years everyone yeah do not buy one or at least just don't buy a laser well inkjet look Justin you did it you said you want you you know are you gonna make burning sexy and interesting yeah yep yeah freakin nailed it very well cuz it's just really impressive stuff that was really rad yeah well I'm glad you enjoyed it well that was like 10 years worth of printer attack Oh interesting tech and now I could wait like another 10 years yeah that's it we're good you talked about this Twitter cheating oh yeah yeah it's kind of crazy wait do we have time to talk about both this and the VRS okay because I really want to talk about the VR stuff this is your show today buddy thanks guys yeah you guys let him you talk about whatever and then maybe DuckTales really important story it's very important for us yeah so you can check to see if your partner is cheating on you on tinder Oh $10 Twitter no no tinder you've definitely set a Twitter before tinder which is apparently a thing because I guess someone did a study about tinder users and they found out that 40% 46% of the people they surveyed we're actually in a relationship but also on tinder at this yeah but how many of them cuz I've seen like like women at parties and I'm not making generalizations but I've literally seen this where they like get on tinder as like a fun activity and be like no swipes why trying to cheat that's just like so they're tourists they're tourists exactly especially for people that got together before some of these popular dating apps yeah like my girlfriend and I met on OkCupid that's like love letters now yeah compared to when they have oh you mean it's like much more romantic yeah exactly it's like the it was like the eHarmony basically went is the myspace you were literally writing love letters yeah each other cuz it wasn't just like a one-line text marriage like tender well so what do you think but but like tinder as much as people knock on it like it does just make sense like it's still it's the least path of resistance for dating so essentially you have to put the least amount of effort in and I mean you get out of it obviously the failure rate presumably I haven't used it myself but the failure failure rates got to be pretty high yeah but it also the time commitments very low so I just I me and I don't and you know the I'm gonna say what everyone thinks where it's like you break tinder down yeah you are just basically playing this game of hmm would I have sex with this person of course and that's but that's all what everything is that whatever it is it is but I also feel like the the path to that end was in the past it was more colorful it was more varied yeah it seemed like trying to pretend that it was like act like I come from a better place of like relationships I'm not trying to see it cuz I get it right you're just we're just going a to be instead of like a with a long hands role Laden I'm your auntie you get a big I get it and people do still use tinder you have friends that have gotten married that Medellin oh really I do have one friend Wow who's marrying a tinder yeah that's really I exposed a friend on tinder last week what I don't I'm not on tinder but I noticed that he had uploaded a brand new batch of photos on Facebook that were very flattering for him and not that he's like an ugly guy or anything like that but when someone replaces all their photos on Facebook you're gonna start to wonder and I kind of put it together because tinder takes the photos you can't really control that shows you your mutual friends on there and that's how the website we forget how ingrained tinder is with Facebook like I noticed yeah you could upload some flatteries yourself nice need to hit the reset button a little bit you're right yeah well that's the whole point of this story too is that it's not really easy to hide yourself on that anymore namely if you're trying to find it to use it to find a side piece and a lot of people are doing that so I think the cool thing about this whole story and it's I think it's the first thing you should know is that tinder has an open API okay which I didn't realize that before we're reading about this I think OkCupid does too doesn't it doesn't I know they do a lot of their data sharing but I don't mean it might not be completely open yeah well tinder is and I think that's really cool so it has an open API which means that anyone can develop apps based on the the open source code all right so someone use that code to develop an app called swipe Buster oh all right swipe Buster lets you see if your Esso is cheating on you and all it costs is five dollars so you donate five dollars to the service and then you can type in the name age and location of any person that you want right so you type in the name of your s o where they are and and how old they are and then the app crawls all of the data and tracks back to see if there are any users basically just doing a simple search through their own API and then displays to you their photo and all of their information so a lot of people are starting to catch their okay so let me ask you this question since it already tracks what your mutual friends are couldn't you just get a mutual friend of your significant other to sign up yes yeah and match with them yes you could have always done that right yeah okay yeah so it's really easy and actually I know someone who was caught that way to my god but the thing is it's not always a guarantee that just because a person's profile is up on there it doesn't necessarily necessarily mean that it's them right because we know somebody I'm not sure if you even know this story but we know someone that was not exposed but a friend of theirs sent them a profile that was using their photo on a popular dating website but because he's you know a good-looking guy yeah it was sort of like they were getting astroturf oh yeah and someone stole their identity by using their phone and I think that's happened a few tit has happened a few times and that surprised David of course not but imagine that if your Esso comes up to you and is like dude so my friend caught you on a dating website yeah what the hell man you go and be humming back trying to go on dates with the marketing photo or was it like that from their social media but like on a profile page on a profile because someone could just list and put on their profile so it was trying to catfish another person well the crazy thing oh man it's just like and it was like a different name yes like oh like it wasn't Jeff it was Jeff right like and it happened a few times I mean you know it's good thing he didn't really get in trouble for it yeah it could of if it was one of us you told me like someone on the street recognized yes yeah but it wasn't him no because well at that point count no his friend had previously been like had sent him a screen show right the profile was like is this you yeah I think I was like no it wasn't you know who we're talking about I just someone says okay unbelievable story and I wish yourself but it kind of goes to show you that even if someone catches you on here that's not necessarily an indication that they're cheating right you also have to be super good-looking what what is the like so tinder obviously is right now the like lowest path resistance for dating mm-hmm how much lower can we go well there's happen okay what does they know that one now that one sort of uses your geo tag location okay to show where other users are in your area that you might have just passed by which is kind of creepy but it's been around for a while now a lot of my friends are on it sure and so he's actually one of my friends that's been doing it demoed it in front of me and it'll tell you when you've crossed paths with someone and and the frequency of which you've liked weird so like oh you've like you passed this person every day on your commute to work crazy you can message them and they're like a mile away from you right now I think that I see I think like that's just as much of a barriers yeah that seems yeah yeah I mean I think when it first came out that was kind of a creepy thing but it's been off while so that's like old I guess it's like that yo app would be the lowest right no I think like just photos of penises and vaginas I think like peas and Vees is what you call it like and you just swipe through dicks unicorn right here but that like makes sense right like like what else do you need to see yeah like just need you're just looking at their face you're like well is your face yeah what did you write that in all honesty it should just be nudes at this point but with maybe not with faces in them right that's what like a full body that's why I just see at here at peas and v--'s when you download our app we make sure to always mosaic out your face or not if you don't want or not you can easily check that box with our easy-to-use interface yeah peas and bees in your local App Store or Google Play stood a today use this QR code it's just a dick jeez this QR code I'm see like I don't think that's that crazy yet inside it's not as yeah it's not crazier than like an Ashley Madison or something like that yeah for people to just get straight to it it's just not yeah I just want to know what 30 years from now like what is the grandpa like me as a grandpa looking at the new dating app what am I like shocked at I don't see how P how could it be more shocking than peas and Vees yes already there I mean maybe like colon health becomes like the most important no that doesn't shop I can't see that I can't see is going in that direction you never know you never know that's weird man it's weird but it really makes you think about your personal information that's online because it could be any of us this happens to whether it's Facebook or tender right it kind of just goes back to that lesson that we always talk about which is if you sign up for a service that's free you are the product yeah even if you sign up a service like Netflix yeah totally it's really easy to just go on there I worry a lot about that like I just worry about one day everything just getting out there yeah you know also one needs to do is write an app for it and then it'll happen yeah I guess so that's creepy I don't want to get creepy tonight because it's Passover I want to UM I want to talk a little bit more about VR we haven't talked about VR in a couple weeks I'm surprised I thought you guys you know you're both gamers you're not really into talking about it we've talked about it a lot um I I I've used oculus and and vive have you used both I have and and what is your general thought I love it yeah I think it's really fun I mean I you would why I'm kidding what do you mean I mean oh you guys are we're not bitter about I'm not bitter I just I just like you know I just try and think about it practically hope I thought I yeah I'm like this is not fun for more than 20 minutes but that's the thing that I feel like a lot of the best VR apps aren't gonna be fun they're gonna be stuff that seems mundane now but then when we know like like for example I used one for the rift that was like a VR replica a desktop replicator that basically replaces a monitor and it you know you could have as many tab door/window browser browsers open at once and you're sort of just in like this giant like Matrix Reloaded screen stack where you're turning around 360 monitors everywhere around and but is that something that's what you want I would love that yeah how long could you be in that environment that forever I can't I don't find video I find VR very cool but it's really not relaxing so specifically for like gaming where I like to like relax and sit on a couch or whatever it's not bad no I played rez oh yeah be in VR and that was well that's awesome and like was it Joe yeah I wish I was playing it on Wednesday yeah it was awesome like I definitely felt a place of like tranquility like I was just like oh I not me it was basically the thing that made me say mmm I need to get places wait what is res so res is like a rhythm kind of shooter game that's been out for like it first debuted almost like 20 years ago I wanna see maybe even longer ago and it's just very like vector II you know that scene in lawnmower man yes line yeah that's kind of like that okay but it's like it's peaceful because it's not violent and it's just like not scary but they basically made a VR version of it okay and there's music and there's music and like a lot of fly through and a lot of like I feel like okay I kind of thing um have you played it yet I'm playwrights now it's really good and they did a great job with it in psvr and I just feel like I could see myself getting lost there I played it for a half hour and I was like yep I could do that I could do that can you imagine putting a VR helmet on and like taking a nap and then waking up and you're just like in a stage it's gonna happen tell you're really cool I mean it's Pryor already happened they could do totally like where they do like those sensory deprivation chambers yeah like that sort of environment yeah I still I still and never totally tricked if that makes sense like yeah I like VR is not good enough yet where it's indistinguishable from real but you've never been in a situation where everything is silent around you you've never been like in like a totally quiet room yeah no I've never been incarcerated in solitary Plus everything that you're doing is very graphics and you so that makes it obviously not real well I also mean like it doesn't look real hmm but like it looks like computer-generated Graham but how you 360-degree videos in VR um yes and I still think there's a bit of like screen Doering yeah like some stuff where I can just tell like oh I'm looking at a screen yeah I mean I think we've talked about this a bunch like ten years from now yeah that probably will go away when you have like an 8k yeah projections situations yeah you know like that'll be great but I definitely my brain it's gonna die yeah what does it job simulator yeah I did oh my god that one hilarious why it's hilarious and fun and you really I mean I really felt like you're reaching out and like grab and stuff off the shelves like I just love like grabbing all the shit off the shelves and be like I don't need this it's fun there's just no way to convey there's no way that it doesn't sound totally I know that's why I like I kind of wish I could bring it like bring it home this weekend you should yeah I can't it's a vibe is a huge pain oculus is like not what you want to show people in my opinion right now no you don't think I just don't think it's that impressive like I think vive blows it out of the water right now what's the killer I guess some the space game is the killer Eve Eve Valkyrie Eve yeah I don't know uh what did you brought it up because you want to talk about like other applications yeah yeah so I wanted to talk about some lesser discussed games in VR I guess you wouldn't even call them games because it's not really fun so stuff that could be a little bit disturbing mikono in VR oh no Russ I'm glad that you brought up torture okay that's what I want to talk about yeah well you brought up sensory deprivation that's not torture it's relaxing okay yeah so I guess I can for either either way like you want it like like one of those like floating yeah sort of exactly same tank so you guys have read kill screen right we had a Jamin war and on from that website yeah so kill screen published an article that I thought was really interesting talking about the possibility of using VR to aid in real life torture scenarios you know either used by law enforcement or the government or just criminals like people that just are using it for bad reasons and they interviewed this VR collective called be another lab okay who make this claim that the military is either working on it right now or they will be very soon have to be yeah definitely and it immediately brought up a sort of images of like a Clockwork Orange or never in Street Fighter the movie were they like made Charlie into Blancas by just showing him like messed up photos and videos of war is God Kyle's friend who becomes Kyle yeah yeah he becomes Blanca in that movie oh that's weird that you know but you know it really shows you since movies are a true mirror of our lives right it shows you how being subjected forcefully to some of those images can really drive someone crazy yeah yeah so you know think about stuff like when you're in solitary confinement people wind up going nuts and maybe even committing suicide because they've done that or you know look at something another example in pop culture would be the giver right yeah yeah just like seeing messed-up stuff you brought up the giver with Russ that's right I do remember that how dare you pick old scab there's there's totally a handful of people listening who remember all this this is prior to the movie coming yeah Russ ruined the book the giver to me and you know that big detail about that book that you find out that's all you can do in it now yeah it's on one page I was at the page before it was like 187 house on 185 it's a great twist it's a great especially because it's a book anyway anyway that's a dark don't you think really I mean there's no examples that we can really sight right now because we don't know if it's happening or not but I'm sure it will exist on Guantanamo very very it makes sense because think about it what they're using now it's like sleep deprivation which is what you're talking about we're just super bright rooms with like blaring music or sound to keep people up if all you had to do was put a helmet on them alright you could just have like eight of those in a single room and it'd be fine yeah yeah I mean yeah obviously people will be upset about it the way we are upset about waterboarding and stuff like right I mean yes obviously if like the military dabbled with like telepathy and like stuff like that they sure as shit are gonna do stuff that's real yeah well you know like VR torture or think about how you know how a lot of amputees get PTSD and experience that thing called phantom limb yeah yeah right where you sort of don't really your knowledge thing that you're not acknowledging the fact that like you've lost right limb well you actually you feel pain yeah and so imagine you know maybe your mind can develop this idea of like feeling pain mental being assisted by a VR headset that could actually happen in a torture scenario I'm it's a really you know and it's just all this is happening so fast yeah yeah it is it's I think a very interesting I notion of VR is like seeing just what your brain is capable of doing right because of just what you see yeah right so like we know your brain is super powerful it can like redirect you know you know pain numbing things or you know I can it it's really in control of your body right like obviously but it also can do things that seem unnatural right right so I want to know like Oh what can we like maybe we are able to activate something yeah not like a stupid you know more than a hood you presume your brain minute like not like that maybe we can activate things that don't occur in nature that you can't see in nature but somehow we can you know ring the bell in in VR do you know what I mean yeah do you already have something in mind no I don't know maybe I mean anything could be sexual it could be right cognitive it could be who knows it could be feeling yeah you know some sort of feeling the most disturbing thing that I ever saw an oculus rift was an app called I animal have you guys seen that one No so I animal you're already in the the gulch of VR yeah yeah no no I've just used it here okay but you don't know why just until 10 o'clock yeah so I animal is developed by this company called animal equity which is kind of like PETA you see with this yeah I animal simulates and puts you into the body of a pig in a slaughterhouse which is messed up because we've all seen those PETA YouTube videos that take you sort of like a first-hand look inside one of those yes yeah but it's a totally different experience when you become the animal right so um I think the thing that's really crazy about this is that on they use binaural recordings do you really feel the the room directionally just by the sounds so you're hearing things like like grinding noises you're hearing like just below where your ears are you hear your throat right but you're not but you're not a pig okay you're not a pig but when you see it you're in the body of a pig so when you look down you see pigs hooks of course but like a head through the whole lineup and Tony's it's really really it is much more effective than just watching I'm sure it is and I don't want to I again like I walk a very weird line when it comes to this kind of stuff yeah I like up essentially when you experience that you are just a human being wearing a pig costume yeah you're saying you don't believe that animals have that sort of consciousness they do well obviously a pig doesn't know it's being led to slaughter or this be this huge pig of upright you know upheaval and there would be this uprising and they'd be like fuck this I'm not going in there again like I am NOT you know endorsing inhumane treatment of animals I eat meat I respect people who don't eat meat and get it I just think like you are playing a very confusing and potentially deceiving game right that's what that's the I get it your holiness I get it the whole idea is like you know pig is just as smart as you right right you know like it's just it's just as important and I get and I understand that mentality I'm not trying to talk shit about it but again what you're simulating is a human in a pig costume right right they're leaving it up to the user to sort of right and I get it like draw their own meaning totally right I'm just saying that's what that is yeah what if what about the people that say like a pig is as smart as like a two-year-old yeah sure so you're but you agree with that okay but a two-year-old would crawl into the meat grinder none of this is real there's no it's not real that they're not actually a pig when they put the headset on they're not surprised when they take it off yeah human again I don't want people to be upset I yeah I am totally compassionate hmm - but it is messed up it's it I think it is a messed up idea that you're like they're not forcing anyone to watch it and I also think like if you're interested there's a value in seeing like where your food comes of course and I think everybody should watch Austin Walker from Giant Bomb was talking about this it's doc called like our daily bread yeah which is like yeah you see what just what happens yeah I choose not to why of course u-turn u-turn u-turn in a blind yeah right but yeah some people just like to disturb themselves what they do changing lifestyles I guess guess so last one that I wanted to talk about that was crazy sure um I haven't had a chance to test this out yet but I really want to it's called Taff Phobos what you know what - phobia is know it's a fear of being buried alone Oh No well your fear would be getting drowned at sea yes I know how much you hate you there's an app that's coming for that in VR we're like here's an app in VR where you're just like projected into space yeah what is that no that's not a drift drift no no not a drift but just like in like this tons of space apps where you're just alone in space it seems boring yeah I feel like no but then you just get sucked into the Sun after like a couple minutes is that good or bad I I have a fear of like enormity okay the vastness of the ocean at terrifies like that movie that movie with a couple gets yeah that's that you shut your mouth is that it's called open waters water they're on like a scuba diving tour and the boat leaves without them and they're there for like two hours but to get rescued that matters the end of that movies they top movies just like pieces of like flesh it shows up like wearing a shirt shark like puts a bib on yeah that would be a horrible ending alright so anyway to Phobos it's not a real app yet but I think it was the it was the result of a hackathon and these two guys developed it and I kind of want to show you guys in the studio cuz the way it works is crazy so it's a two-man game right one guide lies down but both both people have the headsets on okay one guy lies down right and in his headset he sees that he's inside of a coffin okay right posted on the underside of the coffin lid you see the guy sees a map right with directions on how to get to him okay so this is the other guy the other guy is at a computer right also has one of these things on and it's his job to direct his character to the guy in the coffin and you have to do a computer yeah he's at a computer in real life in real life yeah but with the headset on understand he's directing his character to the guy why does he have the headset on because he has like I guess it's so that he could see how much oh you just need a controller okay so the guy inside the coffin has to direct him the other guy to him in a certain amount of time and the entire time he's doing it yeah you can see dirt yeah into the the coffin and again the the binaural recordings are kind of a crazy thing because you could hear the direction of where the dirt is coming in kind of like tapping around you're slowly building up building up creepy yeah and if you don't accomplish the directions in a certain amount of time the guy dies and he's really not in real life not in real life but he sees the the dirt sort of go up his throat and because close pass its neck it's really scary you know guys if you die in VR think about how many phases of death videos stopping just using I don't you like it no I don't like you're almost excited now you're not good you're very into VR yeah well just when you think about like the alternative uses like this it gets really crazy I think you're just realizing that VR could be the door to like the dystopian cyberpunk future that we're already in right now it goes way beyond just like pretend you're on like a scaffolding trying to save a cat like it's those are like the very minor sort of we're in the OkCupid phase right now sure and this is the that's the end result it's like it reminds me of this game you're - uh you're just talking to call keep talking and nobody explodes you know very cool this is a game where like you can play in VR you don't have to but it's said one has it one person has to be they don't have to be right they can just not see the directions so I think you print out a whole manual okay and the game randomly generates these sort of like bomb instructions of how to defuse a bomb you have like a finder of like 30 pages that you print out in real life okay and then yeah right and then all have you played it yeah so explain it yeah so you have this button so one person has this binder that they're not wearing a helmet the other person is wearing a helmet and they see the bomb in front of them and the other person that they and the person wearing the helmet basically has to say like okay I see this bomb I see there's a clock in the center of it there's a little blue screw on the right side there's a code on the left side and they have to convey this information to the person with the binder and the person with the binders furiously flipping through it to find the proper page to a disarm that bomb I see and it's randomly generated so you know depending on which challenge you're doing it's gonna change like the answer isn't always go to page 27 huh so it's like you're frantically like it's like very cool so what are you describing when you see the parts is it like so it'll be like are there no some of them it yeah sometimes it's like here's a blue wire and he's a red wire sometimes it's like there's four press buttons and you need to figure out what order to pray Wow and you have to do an assertive time yeah yeah okay yeah it's real it's really cool it's really really cool feel like you would dig that just yeah that sounds like a cool party game so we're almost out of time to do this ducktales thing are we talking about doctor and save it if we're out of time it's fine life is like oh we were just gonna sing ducktales now you'll just have to wait till next time - you're ducking I thought it was Chippendales that you wanted to talk about the Rescue Rangers yeah no I I mean since we weren't gonna play I do want to mention the Chippendales theme song has a long version that's about three and half inch long yeah I'm surprised that was the thing like where did they use that probably on an album like a Disney the album they released just of the intro to Chippendales well we just know it would be like all business the answer would and also I think a lot of those theme songs probably have originally have a long version like ducktales is a long version shut it down so you're saying that there's a very impressive solo within the song yeah that's right in rescue rangers Google Rescue Rangers there's a three and a half minute version okay listen the whole thing because the whole song is dynamite but about halfway through about two minutes in is one of the best saxophone solos I've ever heard in my entire life you obviously haven't heard a lot of sex um you guys talked right over it so you missed all the magic of it it's spectacular it reminds me of the the sax solo in when the going gets tough yes by Billy ocean a song that you absolutely love well let's go to do you know where when you can start around 150 oh so you actually memorized where we're at here wait for it I mean this is like hot 80s like I think this is how we should leave everyone today real quick pop quiz if you're a big Chippendales fan who were the to Chip and Dale characters based on you can tell by their clothing but quite hypo I believe it's one of them no wrong I don't know the one you should really be able to tell my god he's got a hat on is about leather jacket Indiana Jones the other one who's wearing self why is shirt in I don't know a magnum p.i oh that's who they're supposed to be right we talked right over the solo is know we heard it was in the back it felt good man I don't remember that being this emotional when they're around the chips are never down that's some lyricism right there I feel like we should get Bridget in here right yes your allusion kinda looks like that character am i right what's her name gadget Bridget that's not an insult cutest kid I feel like every young boy had crushes on that character that cartoon time that could be true or not your name gadget was it really a gadget hack wrench was her name oh that's a pain why the hell were they even wearing clothes like they wore these stupid outfits but like all their junk is flapping in the wind anyway well gadget wore clothes yeah she worked those she was a little modest that's funny man thanks for sharing that those those those great they really put me in a good mood for the weekend eight six six four four CNET leave us a voicemail the 404 at cnet.com if you want to go the email route follow everyone on twitter and there's a Facebook page and there's all this other stuff listen to Russ's show West Wing history class make sure you do that once a week catch the Beast cast and catch whatever Justin's doing on CNET yeah what's your what's the hot what's the hot take from Justin you this I'm gonna direct people to my Twitter page that's where I post a lot of the stories that I bring onto the show okay it's all send them to you for the show notes but everything that I talked about today the 3d printing story like all that creepy torture dr stuff I just like to tweet it out so if you're into cool links check it out creepiness awaits yeah now let's prove your suspension all right thanks again for being here bud thank you I see everyone next time until then have an awesome weekend