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hey what's up everybody thank you for tuning in to the 404 show on this friday jun 10 that is the date it is that is the data of today I'm happy to be here because across the table smiling me like he always does mr. Russ fresh dick hello I'm trying to do the dreamwork smile you know that smile we're like a half smile that all their characters do I don't know what the hell that is perhaps to explain that is Sadie Gennis from TV Guide thank you so much welcome back to the show Sadie again thanks for having me of course what uh what's new with you what are you watching on television right now Game of Thrones obviously and unreal just came back for a second phone man everyone loves that show i've not watched it yet what I do like Pamela Alden I believe her name is o brien right from californication yeah to be honest I don't actually know his or she choosin Louie she's Louis XI Xin Liu issues don't think she's on that really i saw an ad for in the subway i was like oh pamela why she's the voice of bobby from king of the hill yeah also that I think you might be confusing her with constant Zimmer okay do they look some more maybe it's short brunette yes oh maybe with a bob yeah okay so speaking of Game of Thrones we're gonna spend at least 15 minutes at the end of the show just going at it yeah uh so I will once again pause the show and sort of like throw out a little disclaimer that we're going to get nasty with Game of Thrones obviously when we've got a TV Guide editor here we need to do some dissecting right we need to put on the latex gloves we need to break out the scalpels a little bit of the nitrous and we're going under ok we're doing a little bit of surgery we're going to talk about the current season of Game of Thrones spoilers in which Peter Dinklage has been on in two weeks but that's fine but that's at the end of the show that's at the end of the show again no spoilers till we get to that point in the program so other than Game of Thrones what are you watching well we just talked about unreal yeah but that's not a show for me right um every I think it's interesting the premise is very interesting you would be shocked at how hooked you would get on it what uh what network is it on hey ok it's on lifetime go on it's basically like the behind-the-scenes production of a bachelor reality show and so you see how the producers sort of manipulate all the contestants into doing horrible things that's so meta it's sort of like a Larry Sanders right for reality is that a fair comparison I kind of I don't know it's it's really smart it's very political they have like the first black suit or this season and one of its characters came back after the hiatus now a men's rights activist so it's exploring sort of like feminism and the men's rights movement okay is it I it's set in the 90s you said or is it modern oh it's modern day okay I'm for some reason I thought it was like early in the days of money TV but it's it's all modern day it's a comedy no it's a drama oh it gets really dark because because all that is dark it's me yeah it's bad I'm sorry I don't know if you like that stuff like real life bachelorette stuff we're like they have these poor assholes on TV or like I was falling in love with him when I was seventh in line to make out with him I thought we really shared a connection it's like no you're just being an idiot on TV that's why I didn't want any of the bachelor shows but i watch all of the vh1 reality dating shows those forces yeah yeah those like the the what's it called the way Shawn Michaels well yeah yeah I like the idea of realloc reality shows are taken to the level of self-parody all right and unreal takes that like a step further and makes it this really intense smart soapy drama can be really funny too oh yeah I like survivor that's the one reality show I can watch that is a great CBS property it is yeah I feel like it that's the most genuine you can get I guess raised the race game as well whatever amazing another only on CBS what's the second you're right the second it's like you fall in love with this person forever and ever like all you get is like people that are really obsessed with you know themselves which obviously you get on Survivor too but there's so much like trumping up like emotion and feeling and they just give them booze and no food on the first night so it's do they do they do that on an unreal do they talk about that oh yeah at one point they figure out one of the girls has an eating disorder and they purposely take away her marker food so that she won't know when to stop puking I don't know what marker food is it's like she would eat Cheetos so that when she threw up she would know what stop oh my god it's dark I can't believe it's on lifetime yeah usually lifetimes like reserved for lamb but I think that's like a rebrand bad right huh they want to like they want to set them so they don't want to be thought of as like crappy TV movie yeah yeah they're sort of China well at the same time like hold on to those movies of the week they're trying to move past this i get rid of the whole thing well they're cheap I mean they cost nothing to run right they're great I want them on demand so I love having Sadie on because like I've never agreed with someone so often and disagreed at the same time like her see I'm gonna talk about you like you're not here for a second her fluctuating like taste sure is so off they're all over the radar with me it with mine at least I don't know it's really funny the baby is that them do they do santa baby what the hell's that oh I think are you thinking like the hallmark yeah holiday movies yeah is it a different they both do a lot of holiday I'm not a holiday movie personal I don't like murder what if it's murder / days okay that sounds like home alone at this point yeah that sounds a little it's gonna have a wholesome ending I don't want to hold them understood understood mark alright so we want to talk too much about all that TV stuff I am looking forward to June up to july i think you know why show that comes back mr. robot mr. effing robe i still haven't watched season one do your you yeah I know I sitting waiting for me to watch it I need to it's one of those shows that like we just finished better call Saul season two okay so there needs to be like a little bit of a buffer before we start like another serious show and we're in that buffer now and it's it's the next on the docket it needs to happen that shows that's just great and I remember uh Sadie you were here with Adam Brian who's no longer at TV got we were you were basically like trying to pitch me on all of the upfront shows right there were like being announced did you remember that angle vaguely and like mr. robot was mentioned and I'm like oh what's that and we just got into and just on paper I was like oh I'm supposed to like this show and then I saw the trailer and I was like okay yeah okay and then BAM like that show that show works it's just got a great pilot you know I've just have to do I feel like there was a lot of weird upfront stuff announced this here do you want like any any shows that stand out for you yes it is called downward dog oh I haven't heard of this one wha what network is it on it's on ABC any stars because how much fun it stars Allison tolman from the first evil our guy oh I love her yes she's great yeah but the shows about yoga I talking dumb hmm this is amazing it's narrated by her dog okay so it's like uh that's not I'm saying no oh no no it's not like Wilfred like it's a dog and they CDI his mouth to mrs. it's like shaggy dog the Tim Allen movie place is like Garfield it's not bad like it's is it is it single-camera like no no audience yeah no audience okay and in kind it kind of gave me Louie vibes it's cuz it's very dark it's like ABC's not that kind of network sad sure and weird okay no idea where the shows going after the pilot picked up Wow I liked it like I and not just cuz it is hilarious sure it's a talking dog two mommies imma beat you and cg the guy's face like was the voice of dogs I have no idea really they wouldn't get it cuz she's not a would obviously very talented actress but not a lot of name recognition outside of the media I would say this is like her first big role right Fargo it's a very interesting choice for her but I definitely see what I turned into her I fell in love with her and Fargo I was just like oh you are so wholesome and lovable and the energy was great you're just an it's also a network well you're not gonna turn down a network no of course not anything where I go like the most part which I'm sure when like someone pitched her on it she was like and run my buddy the dog what now yeah I say give it a chance it probably won't really hit it off with audiences but it's definitely interesting and there's so many reboots coming out so a show like downward dog really stands out and at least like it has that guy anymore look I respect Taking Chances I respect a breath of fresh air so when you say a lot of reboots like what what is some of that stuff lethal weapon The Exorcist training day oh I heard about training yeah I mean those are all like very out of the Exorcist who wants to watch that every week right tune in next week where we twist the head off this young girl that's the other ones are like I think pretty straightforward like whatever it's a cop show and it's it's like a light-hearted cop show but yeah it's very obvious what they're trying to do and even though they're reboots it's like how married to that format are they nuts all you need is like a crooked cop for training day and you're like set yeah now so I get it you can call that training day but yeah that's a little discard it's good to hear that there's more original stuff obviously networks tend to be a little more safe when it comes to that stuff but I guess downward dog proves this proves the rule yeah two thumbs up from me to pause that was up yeah it's like Turner and hooch or something like yeah alright so that's that's we're watching on TV I have a confession to make I have recently fallen in love heads with yes Pence is for the YouTube personality okay i'm sure most of the people listening to this will know who he is yeah his name is casey nice that yeah and I'm I've just fallen down the hole and I think he's amazing really yeah uh so it's tough to describe without kind of like just going in I told Sadie like a half hour before we got in here and you watched the first you watch like one of his videos or some of it I watched almost all okay I'm what okay so here's the deal here's who this guy is sure okay uh he's arguably the most he's the arguably the hottest the buzziest YouTube personality right now okay so you have people who have like you know PewDiePie who's got like 45 share subscribers and you got people who are in like the the 52 tens I think he's right around like 3.4 million okay harbors her up but that's just a number it's all about like but his trajectory right now guys on fire okay I'll just say I'm just saying talk about like was high when I'm very proud for him I'm not again so let me explain who he is right yeah so he grew up in a numb in Connecticut okay and he must have like some kind of history in production he has like a background in production him and his brother sold a show to HBO like six years ago okay not one percent sure if that's totally accurate but the show went nowhere never got picked up I think HBO bought it but sure enough the show didn't do anything so he's been all over the place he did a few YouTube videos about like iphone or like the original ipod not having a replaceable battery and he's done some like weird like new york city bike lane videos that like really took off how he wasn't the one that did the snowboarding video yes I saw that okay okay that was pretty good right that video is amazing yet when you just look at it from like the production value sure so now what he does is he has a social media company that he runs I don't know how well that does but he's just now chronicling his life and he does daily vlogs and he does these like daily videos that are like 8-10 minutes yeah and the production value is just off the charts he uses a series of like time lapse and drones like each video yes has like these amazing sweeping drone shot air that's all New York and it's just his life and he's got a very busy schedule and like his entire existence is this self-perpetuating machine right so like he's become super popular on YouTube so obviously brands give a about the right so like brands come to him and say hey come here and like his life gets more interesting the more he's exposed to these things which in turn makes his vlog more interesting right so it's kind of this like fantastic storm for him but he's not doing like place like he's not doing like height trying to hide that brands are paying him to do stuff or is he I'm still not totally sure about that but I'm also not walking away from each episode he does where it's like oh that was a samsung thing or that was a nike thing okay have any of the episodes been like hey we're gonna walk over the Samsung store and check out the new Samsung Samsung yeah so there's one time where he's like Samsung invited me to this party I'm gonna go check it out okay and he goes and he doesn't talk about Samsung isn't talk about anything he just talks about like the DJ that's there or something like he's being paid by I'm sure he's not I'm sure he's getting taken care of yeah okay obviously he's making money off his being such a big do you think he has a production like still around him that's the thing I want to know like his videos are so well done and look Sadie you watched you watched a little bit of one episode I watched almost all of it and you could tell like the production value was really good were you engaged by it no I thought he was in college I made it about like eight minutes into a 10 minute video its pretty long for web video I thought it was so boring his one did you watch the one you told me two oars like my skateboard fell in the river yeah it would be like a minute of Henle shopping for a camera and then a time-lapse montage set to music and then a minute of him like skateboarding yeah and the time-lapse montage sent to the exact same music sounds very indulgent is about that yeah it's self-indulgent it's boring his life is not that interesting like why is it just because you like the production values or do you actually finally I mean interesting I find the content interesting I think he gets to do a lot of cool stuff to me like I watch what he does and there's like how does he have time to do this the fact that he's filming for hours on end every day he'll on hold that thought please hold that thought because I need to tell you why you're wrong now I'm kidding he has all this stuff and then he somehow finds the hours and must take to edit it because he publishes yes today's video today yeah there's no way he's cutting it himself yes Ross that's right that's where I would think why are you assuming this I don't know I just I feel like I have a fairly good production I and like again could he have all these people behind maybe but like when he has the drone shots you can see it's a video of himself flying the drone like okay do you like sure but a drone takes 10 seconds 10 minutes to fly you'd be supporting a 10 minute video that's like heavily produced today it sucks that you could be in eight hours at least of work right I agree so who's doing is it him cutting it who is 4 billion whatever he probably a he makes money if the social media company is the JT makes money there of course he would spend 30 grand a year to hire some kid so maybe he's not cutting it but he's shooting it oh shoot at all it doesn't matter exactly just drop the actual video no video was boring well that was good that's what you you recommended that that's the best of the vascular knows that isn't one you told me I got that's the one I just watched and I was like this is really good and I saw the as i mentioned i saw the snowboarding in New York's a little bit of context here up into January there was like a four-foot blizzard the hit New York he and this other video guy decided to go out and snowboard through the streets of Manhattan and they covered it really well with like a lot of drone footage and yeah cool camera angles and Sofia it was cool for a good minute it was cool yeah but like that doesn't make me an all-out hardcore all right aside from the fact you guys clearly don't give a about what I'm bringing to the table and saying I like this guy yeah I'll get my interested that I wasn't a pen so I'll give you that great that means a lot so what I need you to do is like again I should have had you watch this before you came on but it's fine because I want I'm clearly not doing a good job pitching it to you yeah but I want you to watch it okay and be like something happened where I was watching this every day and I'm just like man this guy's like really good at what he does and he's just found him really likable yeah I 30 that was the thing we're like I saw his photo and I'm like this guy's a douche bag right and then I watched him and I'm like oh no wait he just has a fairly interesting life he's got a wife he's got a kid he's in New York he's doing his thing I don't know yeah I guess it's boring huh I guess it's boring do you remember when Twitter came out no everyone was complaining like why do I care if you're eating a sandwich right it's that concept but in a 10 minute youtube video every day but there is an audience yet so that's the things like whether or not you think it might be interesting no no matter how you feel right now at this table clearly a lot of people dig it yeah and he is an incredibly popular public figure to the point like he goes around it everyone knows who he is I would know where he cuts it in such a way that any he only leaves the shots in were people organizing right but like it's every day so it's not like or he is paid to go places and the PR guys like hey see maybe I'm sorry I maybe it's a ruse maybe it's all a facade start yes but to your point that like oh like its good clearly people like it a lot the most popular things are not necessarily the best right quality things that I hold the big bang theory and I already said how much I love CBS properties so I can knock at least one of them it's called a big bang theory I'm glad you said it or nothing okay I don't necessarily enjoy that show either I know a lot of people do sure again maybe that's like a generational thing and maybe that's the thing with this too right cuz like and that's where I want to get with this where this is like the new face of entertainment thank you it's a new face but sure I just think it's it's way more important like it's way more impressive to me that he'll put a video up and over a million people watching 24 hours like a TV show wishes it could do that so what does that mean TV shows get more views than that right I feel like moat at these days I don't know like cable stuff hey I don't know I feel like it's a lot so I'm not going to deny that a million views in a day is a lot it's a lot there's notes a lot yeah it's just weird cuz I see some of these YouTube people like flame out like I get very fascinated when you see like hey person has six million subscribers and they were huge six years ago and now all their videos get like 2,000 views because the way YouTube sort of prioritizes like new subscribers right so i don't know i don't want to rip into the guy too much because again I'm not as familiar and you haven't seen Isaac no I saw there's other words no way which is okay yeah I think if you can summarize the video in a gift in 10 seconds you know you probably don't need 10 minutes of masturbatory production value we're gonna use that word I just find it incredibly hypnotic and are soothing okay there's something about his show that is like very relaxing to me okay that's why I found it boring it was kind of repetitive but I understand like how that could be soothing in your eyes very reliable yes consistent yeah just do me a favor Sadie and you don't even have to report back you can report back to me like I will not watch another video yeah really you have it is to the best that is very generous of Sadie to do something so long on the internet sees and like I do not care to watch most things that are 10 minutes long I don't even wash this song that's over four minutes under still watch a 10-minute video understood that's what I found the most compelling about his stuff where it was like I did not realize eight minutes had gone by okay and I was like this this is good he's kept my attention here I don't know okay so wait so you you won't listen to a four minute song you won't watched a video how do you read a 20-minute article do you do that in pieces ah yeah increases in pieces that is what this show is falling into pieces thanks a lot singer well I can sit down and like read a book for hours on end yeah video it's hard to make a 10-minute video that's not like in episode of some right there was no narrative art so like here's the thing there is a narrative arc not in the video I watched and not in any of the description that you know but it's like a it's always constantly going on Mike his life is just constantly happening at you and like what I asked you to do is just like peek in real quick to like a UH out of context sort of video yeah you know you have to watch many episodes you can watch our videos in Jeff's defense you do have to watch like six episodes to justified before it starts getting good so I as someone who just are watching justified I disagree really you think it's great for it from the beginning I think it's solid and I think it's solid but not great one a door with the pilot on the rooftop no I don't know what he's like honor justify with Timothy old oh I actually I sound like very like a gun under the table yeah yeah that file it's not bad yeah the pilots okay yes okay and then it sort of falls into procedural stuff for a little bit and then it gets amazing well well once Walton Goggins gets free hey hey oh no no I'm unlike season three and i think walton goggins is my dear soul fantastic he's amazing i'm so excited as vice principal are you it feels very eastbound and down these pendants better now had one good season that's not true no no no one and a half I'll give you one I like the last season really I did yeah yeah what a hell that was you enjoyed that i only watch the scene with lindsey Lowen the end isn't was very funny the end with the future yes uh yeah it's I don't know not for a row not for everybody but yeah I'm excited for that show for sure he's amazing he's also a great cross dresser and oh yeah concise manner gate you did you saw those right I saw the photos I quit watching sons of anarchy yeah I stopped it's not it wasn't the best show um it was good but it wasn't the pay fell off let's talk about Twitter okay I had no idea until yesterday but there's been all kinds of crazy Twitter acts like not just like a few here and there but like super mega yeah brands and people Mark Zuckerberg the NFL Katy Perry what uh what's going what's going on well here's what's going on it a lot of it has to do with people using the same password for multiple accounts right so like that's how they got zuckerberg sure zuckerberg was was exploited and they used the same password he used for another server what was his password i think it was like something so and that's the worst part is when you find out with like how they're not using some sort of hexadecimal right like Alvin numeric generic like craziness I think Zuckerberg was like da da da or something like that you look embarrassed for him yeah because it's like humiliating right like when your password gets out and your passwords like something real stupid and like easily guessable yeah would you stop watching Casey if it came out that his passwords like ABC 123 I think I might be like oh ask this guy what a dumbass uh but but i think you know you can talk about like why um all of these you know pet passwords are getting out there but it i think like the bigger issue is like what like what is happening right now is also Lana Del Rey Kylie Jenner who is a person people give a about I probably would probably happen was that they access something that a lot of people used so it wouldn't be facebook but like something as ubiquitous his facebook youtube or whatever and and then they just search for celebrities or celebrity names that matched because it's like for them all to happen at the same time seems very weird otherwise they've been in waves oh yeah there was recently a big linkedin hack oh right which I don't think celebrities are on linkedin benoni but that is another big server that was recently hacked this is interesting the NFL got the NFL handle at NFL got hacked and they actually said the they tweeted out that roger goodell the Commissioner was dead like imagine seeing that tweet from at NFL thats dark like that eft it's basically the exact opposite of what they did from katy perry's account which was tweeted something along the lines of like i love you Taylor Swift oh good Eve oh they have crazy beat really I'm there uh oh they both date john mayer they both dated john mayer and there were like rumors that bad blood is about katy perry and that she tried to sabotage Taylor's tour really ya see that tweet is why i know about the hat because i saw that as like crazy not right someone who's not into katie's Twitter I thought that was all about like female empowerment know that squad goals is the music video is all like the women like no it said asses but it's a group of women preparing to fight another group can you can you got it can you like give me a crash course in like what Taylor Swift is she's great i really liked hours both cuz i kind of love her too yes fine that's great you're perfect for this job I don't like I know who she is i could pick her out of a lineup sure i know she has a song shake it off shake it off yeah is that it players gonna hate haters gonna hate her whatever it is yeah I don't understand like is she country too she used to be country and now she's moved whose christian bulb pop was she christian right or am i thinking someone else I thought she had like a Christian a series of really I believe you're thinking Katy Perry Katy Perry really into the Jesus guy okay loves them that guy loves his work sure she is moving into a convent is she what she's gotten a legal battle with a bunch of nuns to buy a convent and another like you are not allowed to live here right but you know you don't exactly look like you're devoted to the man upstairs me know nothing honey nuns gonna still live there when she moved in I don't think that I think like they were selling it but they didn't want to sell oh I see and it's yeah oh man well look like you could just say Price is Right the price is right yeah that's that's interesting she's really into religious as far as i understand it all right Katy Perry I know she comes from a really religious family I can't speak to her personally I want to say she has like religious tattoos but that could be maybe I I mean they're both just I've pop stars essentially like ready wat but are they good like Taylor Swift like Lady Gaga is good I think Katy Perry has good tunes as well like does she write her stuff katy perry has hits taylor swift rights album right i wouldn't say katy perry has like a gang that's like when Oliver Stone told Quinn turn tunes like I make films you make movie off rap brittle brittle so okay so she's popular she its boobs her thing with like she was like the ambassador for New York unlike that when you wrote a song called welcome to New York and I was somewhere else not from New York she's a country i'm here now somewhere okay regards we also know that she has a cat named uh meredith gran Olivia Benson Olivia Benson right live events is a character on law and order SVU and Meredith Grey is from Grey's Anatomy all right that's kind of funny yeah ok so i guess that explains it does it that had explained it all right yeah who she is analyzed I think you just don't like pop music which is fine no no I like lady gaga um yeah she's kind of out of vogue now right oh she's more like he hasn't put out in music album artpop which was any strong best yeah yeah I think we got all the gear like musically riskier but not you know but yeah she just hasn't been in the public eye for a while if you're into jazz together Tony Bennett album no I know that that's a nest thing she'sshe's what does she be coming she's becoming like the she you could tell like she had she has sort of ambitions that reside well beyond just music Lady gaga yeah she wants to act she wants to chuys in wants a better horror story right she wanting children go love that she's kind of crazy yeah it's a go-go it was fun dessert not her I mean Golden Globes they kind of give out and like no one cares no golden globes are bought yeah basic well so our Oscars yeah that's Jordan Hoffman told us yeah sure um alright so I don't know how we got there wide-ranging that was a little wide-ranging but there are significant Twitter hacks and I guess like so you're like okay I heard about all these Twitter acts how does it affect me don't use the same password or if you're going to do that use use some authentication two-factor authentication right which really is pretty easy all things considered and will protect you but that's all but to two-step verification is really just a cell phone thing what do you mean like so i guess like if someone has your cell phone and has your passport or fine that's valid those two steps are compromised yeah I have a question go for it I do not have a password on my phone is that a huge mistake I don't think so uh I mean it's sort of depends so the question I would say is like do you have like a banking app on your phone yes and when you touch the banking app does it open immediately to all of your accounts no you have to enter your pass and you have two factor authentication on that banking not quite sure what that means verification is like okay you you know the password right but do you have the phone of the person it's generally it's designed for like oh you've never logged in on this computer before that's sketchy yeah yeah but it since I have logged in on my phone right that wouldn't I don't know I it's like for google google i do is that happen to you all the time but two step I use it on I mean we have to for work but I for even for my personal use all the time it de no it I once I've logged in on a certain computer at least 30 days advice yeah and then you just whatever enter I've the app and it entered the code and some other 30 days it's a long-winded way of saying it's a backup it's a safety net yeah we're tech just because you have this person's password well maybe you're still not who you say you are let's take it one step further and send you a text message and maybe you enter that pin I would say if you became like an overnight celebrity for some reason or other you might want to increase that security a little bit okay so maybe like one or two months I'll need to do why do you set a password on your phone as well i'm lazy even an easy password is like enough to discourage people from toronto i guess it yeah I I do um I do the the thumb thing the fingerprint thing yeah but no that's what do you mean that's a low noise it's great and you can also set it to be like oh I all only ask for the password like once every six hours yeah okay so there are options to like look I don't know i think it's worth doing yeah I take it back I said it wasn't a big deal you should do it yeah I take it back all right I'm just thinking I'm looking out for your safety Sadie thanks stuff that means a lot look yeah we're friends we gotta watch each other's back to you okay world okay now we're gonna talk about one other thing and then we'll get into again Game of Thrones which you will know for sure when to stop yes ah so last couple weeks as I was explaining to you Sadie Russ and I and our guests have been balancing / juggling the many social etiquettes that we all face on a daily basis it we went from when is the right time to give someone a hug or kiss on the cheek which kind of want to get that answer from everybody that we have on so when is it okay to give someone a hug when is it okay to give someone I'll peck on the cheek or when is it just like hey let's shake hands because this is professional well I think if you're in a professional situation of course no kiss is on the try right yeah all those you remember the media and you see a friend of yours that's also remember the media at a press event and but you're close you were college roommates I think friend like there's like a hierarchy of like titles like which matters more and I think friend is above like professional sure co-worker here yes so that then the friend rules would apply round in there yes right here so though yet that they Trump the professional rules yeah is there ever a situation where you've someone's like giving you like the kiss on the cheek in like whoa all the time no what's that what why all the time it's like my boyfriend's family whenever I see them they like hug me and give me like kisses on the cheek double kisses not like the European thing I think just one ok but like I grew up we're like we never did that also thank you once I met his family they started happening every time I said hi to someone and it's it's not weird but it definitely like threw me off any signs family is from Long Island yeah that's what I'm sayin like that's normal to me yeah yeah I like I don't think there's anything wrong with it it's just weren't right wasn't God expecting it and so like I froze and I was something like his dad was like hugging me and kissing me on the cheek and I to the first thing you met I don't think the first time we met but like the second time sure shadys part of the family yeah yeah yeah like once I became like a member of the family sure it threw me off but now you're cool with it yeah like I don't think there's anything wrong with kissing someone on the cheeks right I was not a primeira and I did not want reactor really yeah and there are obviously instances where it is inappropriate to kiss someone on the cheek as i mentioned right like your mailman I don't do that that's weird unless your college roommates with your milk right nearly all my god it's you okay you brought up a subject that I think is well worth bringing up um can you can you like introduce it for us real quick yeah okay like I I just want to get this out there I think chivalry is great when I'm like on a date with a guy and he opens the door for me or like pulls out my chair I think that's lovely it like really makes me happy right however when men I don't know do certain chivalrous things to me I get really angry to cash thing so examples what are some of the everyday you come in and out of this office on the elevator and if I'm in an elevator with like three dudes even if they're standing in front of me they will wait to get off the elevator until I step off yeah and I why it's jeff done this before do you that's not me what but things if Jeff didn't it wouldn't bother me cuz I know Jeff it's more when like strange Ranger strange men I got a free pass do you do things like that like they don't owe me anything I don't need that sort of special privilege it's just an elevator just okay so yeah so right so what we're getting I yeah do you wanna you ever thought you want to Finn oh yeah what we're getting at is like this like we talked about these unwritten laws like unwritten social etiquettes that like I've kind of been around for hundreds of years we're like what you're describing is like strangers when it's a male-female sort of thing have these acting a certain way things that they do whether be holding a door open or waiting till they get off that the elevator sure like that okay so I'm gonna paint a scenario okay um is 630 at night you're on the L train it's a zoo on the L train there's no seats at all and there's a guy standing in for sitting in front of you and he offers his seat to you how would you internally react to that situation a to a question obviously I would take the seat because the killer be killed on the subway I totally agree I would take the c2 was offered to me but do you like would you sit down and be like that was up that doesn't make me like upset like the elevator thing cuz to me it's like oh like he's doing cuz he thinks maybe she's tired or something but what ya say that is that I guess what makes me so angry about the elevator there's no benefit like there's no need for me to get off first I like i don't understood it's this and the logic it is a same instinct yes it is born from the same source where it's like I didn't say you would not bother you oh well no like and you you put it very succinctly to start as well like this the humanitarian ization sure of the world yeah right so it's well the idea of everyone being equal of course where it's like is that okay like is that legacy of men going out of their way not going out of their way doing social nuances right favoring the female variety like what it like yeah is that good that go away that go away or is it okay I don't think it's black or white I think it's in the middle right I think it's in the middle and I don't let me go also explain myself I answer a little more okay when I am on a subway and I am standing I spend the entire time like 10-20 looking for a CEO total so I'm putting out a signal that's like communicating I want to see right and so for a man to see that and respond I don't really find that offensive if I was just standing there like clearly like reading a book or something my agent something else yeah then I would it would ruffle my feathers a bit right but like if he sees me looking for a seat you're just then I don't feel like oh maybe he's doing this cuz I'm a woman it's like oh he sees me like wanting something right like I don't necessarily know that I'm sending that message at yeah it's when they think they know what's best for you right that's that's what I have a problem with when they like assume that you want something or need things like you don't know any better yeah it's like you want to get off the elevator right you need this right yeah let us do that for you yeah so the obvious tricky situation here is and I don't necessarily fall one way the other in terms of like what but the tricky situation is there are obviously a number women that feel the same way you do which is like this is in a whatever it makes me feel weird and like they shouldn't be doing this why am I being treated differently differently and there's a number of women that I would save to have an expectation of certain steps being taken in their favor because that's how they were raised like oh man should behave like this to you because you're a woman the question I guess I the issue that I run into as a guy is that I I don't know who I'm interacting with I don't know what makes them comfortable in that situation so I mean I guess the obvious solution would just be like treat them like like anyone without factoring in their gender to make a decision yeah but hey it's going against like what my grandmother told me a and B it's just it is tricky because it's like is there an expectation there um you know I try to be generous and and relatively thoughtful about like other people's feelings and stuff like that but I don't know it's just like a very thorny thing you know I would say that's what you feel comfortable doing like you naturally want to like hold the door whatever form and that's fine because when I get upset it's not like at the man of course really it's like okay I get upset because it's a moment that I am forced to realize that the world looks at me differently sure look I don't think minarik trying to upset me or have ill intention no do what you're right comfortable with no one's gonna but there's obviously a limit to that cuz like you know construction worker and thus on the street whistling at women is obviously not appropriate and like well that's also not chivalry no idea that is that very antithesis yeah that's a whole other yeah situation yeah true um Russell knows all about that yeah I mean he gets cat called all that's it's weird I don't know why it's just half all the time I'm a big hit he's history look they just want you to smile is she I mean I would say this sort of falls into the argument of like paying for the check you know on a first date or something like that um yeah I mean it's it's tricky and obviously we're in this period of transition for a lot of these slight social norms so that's always a really sticky thing where um you know 50 years ago with a lot of other sticky thing like Oh women should show there whatever ankle that was a problem 50 years it's just like communicate like if you don't know talk to the woman you're like confused how to act around like if it is right yeah like be upfront have discussions about these things yeah then yeah but then but then you hear those stories of like oh like this guy want to split the check with me and that's cheap on the first date you know no but like that's their problem there is nothing wrong with splitting the check right there judging you tomm awnings rather than there are awful people yeah that's not you do something wrong that's right your expectations don't match and like do you really like wanna be with someone who expects men to always pay on the first date right judges yeah it's its butt but I feel like Eve not even ten years ago like there was maybe more of that waited there was a point where like that was expected right like wasn't even like is this person nice or is that or are they not it was just like it's something you do you say bless you when you sneeze and the guy picks up the check right like that's was a thing yeah right but things are changing I'm with you I'm totally with you communicate there is a man there isn't enough of that right oh and I also think there's not enough of like just everyone being cool with everyone else you know what I mean sure not not about I like what can we all just get along right well but it's true yeah yeah so you're cool with Donald Trump nice great guy didn't what you guys good my villain only only he's very charming screwed up without that man so we were doing this Facebook live thing yeah on Friday and someone in the chicken though the comments was like why does Jeff like Donald Trump Wow and I'm like what no I don't like that douchebag like yeah like nobody and it was like I felt like McCarthyism where was like all of a sudden I was laying fingers is like being a communist yeah like no no no no no no look at my house I look I'm a family man no yeah I'm look really terrifying you don't know why they thought that I don't know did you go back and like watch the video and no don't the video unrelated completely unto it out of context hmm so maybe it was I don't know she's always on it should be inherited through the Trump guy like there's no way don't judge a book by it's cover yeah ups know first of all I judge every book by it's cover I think a lot I do too because if you can't afford to hire a good artist that has the boots on yeah like the publishing house is not investing come on did you guys see there was a tweet from whatever conservative they only had like five thousand it wasn't like an actual media company but they had a picture of an actress from UM the Bruce Campbell Evil Dead show on Starz I guess oh yeah and then the caption read uh this Trump supporter was attacked by quote liberals and she was like decked out in like zombie makeup and like but it looked like she was assaulted oh my god like this is what's going I like they say there's like this crazy misinformation campaign going on and you might have been part of that trial read the word that you were at Trump's I was a victim yeah what's victimized alright we've hit the portion of our program where we're going to spend 10-15 minutes or so we're going to talk unfiltered uncensored about Game of Thrones yes if you don't want to hear that you kind of just search turn the pod casts off now just do it because the rest of the show we're gonna be that I saw the part where brand fell out of the tower are we covering anything else yeah a little beyond that just a little beyond that sure ah so okay again this is your last chance turn the podcast off thanks for being here Sadie is really say goodbye we're not gonna do anything anyone anyone is here okay let's get into Game of Thrones so I I guess the first thing I want to talk about uh with this recent season it's twofold right so you and I went on CBS n earlier this season and we talked about I think was like maybe the second episode which side was enough for it is the fourth fair enough it was shitty it's like a shitty episode I liked it I thought it was superficially fun yeah I thought it was not for something like happening episodes which one was that it was the episode that ended with generis burning down although yeah and was cool i like the idea it was fun and like compared to the episode we just saw like at least it was interesting so okay so the episode that just happened just passed on something the Hound is back yeah hi we shine exactly York idea Jeff why was it any person on the show or pretty much any other show that does not get their head cut off visibly on the show is still alive unless in special status is coming back I what I will admit that like when she was like well he's dead I was like he's probably still alive somewhere come on come back yeah no that's the thing it's like if it happened I'd be like yeah not a shock you're alive in the books too but I am pretty sure sign on the show and yeah I agree I like man why he got me made me feel like such a dumbass uh yeah I mean come on no no they left him after seein and a half I know that's not like what was he doing was that actor doing you can tricking was gone for since season three didn't just exact on his lands bro brands younger brother to you soon he died too busy woman on screen I think a I mean it's been though they wanted people to think that he was dead what I would say is when you're looking at these characters you ask yourself has this character had some what if they're a major major character not like OSHA the wildling person has this character had a reasonably ripped like full arc like have they got I thought he had a decent arc no they said I'm dying by that would been ok they set up way too many storylines and then never rivalry with Gregor his brother the fact that his brother burned his face off and he hates his brother to brother the mountain yes you notice the Frankenstein yeah well now yes you don't set up a story line like that and then cut it off before you can actually pay it off it's just the way I get it I can waste of everyones I get it um so you're an idiot that's fine I did love seeing in McShane because he's fantastic but his name he's right let's all take a moment well see her show name was raised his name was brother ray which is the worst name some of the names aren't greeting that surprising it doesn't really fit in bed I mean Ned Ned doesn't mean she was murdered yeah what about jdb ray is short for something we died too quickly yeah I know and what about Jamie James Jimmy works Jamie's norling there's slime array like you just picture like maybe it's like Thor kill you you I know I remember what hey they do that because I I got so obsessed with trying to figure out this guy's name that I watched the like inside this did you know he was gonna die before the episodes I felt I knew he was only gonna be in one of us that I knew tithe but money oh yeah I know he'll that they only shot for one day with guess what what hounds guy get his hearing checked mine okay yes 60 people slaughtered within like 30 seconds here's the one scream and they're all dead well maybe they have shadow babies attacking them what right well sure it is the Brotherhood and they have the Lord of Light by their side so show me that that's who these people yeah didn't know that they'd literally said the night is dark red and it followed out or that they said that's the Brotherhood I didn't know the Brotherhood meant the brother of light it's that's not what they're called the Brotherhood without banners but right the Brotherhood you understand that's the guy that came back to life after this K in half in the cave Fran so that's that organization interesting but they're like brigands they're not like major characters sounds like they're barely in it they may play a larger those are three people know the Brotherhood and and oh yes I do you like they have to because Aria so some of that stuff too and like she's been exposed to that now her this guy keeps coming back to life like at a certain point when I gonna catch up to him yeah uh let's talk about Aria okay oh I got lots of theories okay none of what areas are true uh in terms of where you think things are going with her Oh of what happened what do you think Jeff do you think she's dead and she like she just walks into the distance and that's the last time we see are here I love it like she's walking through that market and she's bleeding out and everyone's just like it's Braavos that's no one cares everyone's like oh this chick Stella bleah now would we do not know whatever I got fish to sell yeah like voices to shuck I have some serious do so what do you were you think things are going I really like for the record before you go I love the guy who ran the junky car he's a great guy will love this theory i'm about to lay down here it i'm not even gonna touch upon the fight club theory if are you oh no i'm nothing okay so some people think that the way fan re are the same person and the wave do you know anyone's name i did not actually know that her care and her name was doing as they never specifically say that and the show that her name is the height that's just add option saying a lot of characters names yeah hence my inability to remember anyway yeah and i read the books and i don't remember her name was the way oh my god okay so wife is the one who tried is also a hater are ya some people think that like the way fanara are the same person how I don't even know what that means Todd like Tyler Durden oh and so no it makes no sense let's move on if that's what it is they really took some liberties with violet she stabbed herself yeah because she's trying it's like the last ditch attempt to like no Hilda Arya Stark and become don't let her suffer number okay so what ya know that's pretty close okay the theory I don't have a theory that I definitely think is true but this is the one that makes the most sense do is that so the Faceless Men so far we've seen them physically have to cut faces off dead body yeah I'm glad we got to see that yeah two weeks ago that was great that's great or last week it was cool it's cool they somehow retcon this earlier like Oh jockin hogar has glamour magic because he does mention the red God in season two so maybe I was like powers like Melisandre sure he could potentially assume Arya's identity and so the person we get stabbed in that scene is actually let me explain it no once again they don't do that in our show they don't do reveals and then flashbacks why we wouldn't have to flash back because you'd have to establish it was him now you would learn that the new so when he's like bleeding and he takes his mask off or whatever but she's a foot taller than her can I just lay out the evidence here evidence a days lay down there's evidence alright so at one point in this scene you notice Arya's not wearing the costume she was wearing in the previous episode where she was a like a behind the stage act yeah she's wearing a completely different outfit she's walking very different than she normally walks and it at one point she passes by someone who is dressed and has the exact same hairstyle as Arya in the previous episodes oh and pretty good it that's pretty good too much of a coincidence not only true why would why would he do that well so the wave wants to kill area because aria is not no one Sheila can't let go these personal vendetta right but he loves exploiting that but neither can the wave she has a personal vendetta against re s economy just as bad because she is not no one I've exactly and she didn't kill her quickly yeah so she failed like jockin within like assume Arya's identity to test the way if to see if she can be no one and she said that would be okay I be pretty cool I'm signed up and here's my favorite part of this theory is that if you watch the Bravo see you play scenes and like the whole thing with Lady crane and the other actress it kind of would foreshadow that because there are two people who like work together in this profession where they have to pretend to be an evil and one of them like as a rival it there's a rivalry and hates the other one and at the last minute Aria steps in and is like watch out for that one she wants you dead and then the camera pane ends between the wife and the younger actress like back and so then maybe jackin would take on the aria role in the re oh wait I think that out that I'd be very impressed if they pull that off that that is like a very cuz you you know where that off but you also have to like explain it and not a stupid like way that's very tough but and also so the reason I think even though i'd be very impressed if they did that the reason i don't think it's going that way is because i feel like they're just setting up are you being saved by that on really is Atlantis uh I thought they were in Braavos no they're in volantis heading to marine oh ok sorry my bad I thought she was in bra all but on the dump promise and volantis clearly look like the same city they probably shoot it in the trailers for Sunday's episode are I don't watch that that is a spoiler totally real don't watch don't watch it totally agree CD that's got to draw the line are insane you plan the drug like magic there okay that's not a spoiler yes it is showing you that's gay if he one thing it was the madman trailers that literally showed nothing I was like no shows nothing but in everything we I knew she wasn't deaf thought she was dead late aria is fine in the trailer that's more than that was more than I wanted to know Sadie you could join like I don't see it on the front I ain't no running you don't run with exactly once a day yeah maybe you do but listen this isn't a spoiler but is it should be trailers are not showers they are wheelers they are lines are no special seconds saying don't tell us this and then you don't they are voluntary spoiler yes you're not going Tony you're watching the credits do you stick around after the credits to watch the thing never never and I also don't watch the dumb infomercial stuff they run after the credits either I wouldn't you know it's like hey we've decided to make marine look like a Grecian paradise and blah blah blah like so stupid yeah I the super teased at the beginning where it's like this is what you need to know going into this episode obviously fine that's not a predatory talk about like seriously free of course maybe I'm just even though I would because some people say don't be spoiler a bespoke is like oh I guess that characters coming back obviously that's what it is and you must need that because if you don't watch that you're like so out of ending a lot of that is spoon-feeding but I understand what but when you think about it like those little recaps are vital to comprehension like they really are I'm sorry yes and no I don't care how brilliant you are but if you're whatever what happened season 1 episode 3 sure but if you're watching it on netflix they don't have them because you're watching them in a row fine do they okay my friends isn't I'm saying but the shows so shows don't rely on those previously on we know there but but maybe aren't they part of the episode isn't that intercept part whatever is I don't know if I fine okay but the towers are crap yes let's get two more bigger picture stuff yeah arm this season is being written without books as source material sort of like the show's e 40 yeah showrunners the showrunners there's a lot of stuff in there that is it in the books right or will be in the books or has or even a lot of the shoes though the showrunners had a meeting with george RR martin and they're like hey what's the deal with some stuff that you got down yeah can we use that in the show and some of the show is gonna spoil the the books right coming out right like the whole hold or thing is going to be in the books so here's the thing is they're gonna hit those same plot points like holders gonna die hold the door whatever but it's gonna happen in different ways okay so sort of ruins the books for me but yeah I mean like so my the the point I'm getting at is like does this show feel inherently different because there aren't books already are in yes yeah I think it does I think I think it feels different I think I think it's better i think that i don't think the I think it's conversations are better i think the dialogue yeah notably worse the george RR martin is so good with words and if you look back to all the best game of thrones quotes from previous seasons they were taken directly from the books there's not one line this season that's been like that was such a good quote except for maybe tyrion saying like I drink and I know things bright many good speeches so I would say I don't agree that george RR martin is a good writer is a good story to think he's a great storyteller i think he's a great world builder but when it comes to actual writing I think he gets very distracted by boring details see a book for which may want to jump off a cliff what like what so you've read them you haven't yet ever at all you have so what what do you do that what you mean I think he has created a world that's far larger and with far more characters than the TV show has created but the TV show is a much more focused and enjoyable experience it's easier to digest because the fact martyrs like the whole like Jon connington Fiat like fit like the fact that they've condensed so many characters together on the show which is obviously a normal thing to do but even the fact they did that there's still a dozen storylines going on and the fact that the books have 24 storylines going on I think is just bad writing I it's a I'm not gonna necessarily disagree with that but i will say i don't find the seat like I'm enjoying it but I think I went into this being so excited like we're going off books like I don't know what's gonna happen next year we're all females yeah everything that happens I've been able to predict like Oh Melisandre is gonna bring jon snow pack yeah the most obvious answer but that was going to be the obvious answer the most a thats for everything that's literally every plot point this season has been predictable i was simple obvious it doesn't surprise me anymore the San snake assassinating the prince of durhan was surprising Dorn was surprised he only likes we rising in that scene was how uber Obara and I'm area got to King's Landing and why trystane was on a boat were they all in line boat who know he the two sand snakes right I know they shoved the spike through the kids face yeah right basically trystane was on the boat with Jamie and Marcela you didn't know that though yeah we saw that in the finale last year his own but it was it right the two sand snakes were not us there so they took a little boat no it's cause trystane still on the boat after they had doc did dr. were there for a while she died and they were probably worried about his safety but they didn't explain all this they didn't explain where that boat was or how the sands things got there that was surprising I don't think like I mean I wasn't shocked I do you know you know what's funny is like there's so many things going on right like yeah they literally I would love like a time of positive screen time like counter right like there are some storylines yet have had seven minutes yeah sure for it was really easy show to shoot if you're an actor on that show oh my god this is right like you could do an episode in probably two days yeah I would imagine well I don't think they really film like that I know they know but they must know what I mean like much yeah I don't know there's just so many storylines going on it's like it's not like West Wing we're like everyone needs to be there for like every minute right and it takes like nine days to shoot I mean they're all broken up but the logistics of shooting that show must be insane must be terrible but I think that's also working against the show right now is all of the characters we love are spread all over the world and we're getting those we're not getting those interesting interactions like Arrested Development on that foot that's exactly what i was thinking more like no one can be there at the same time Littlefinger has been in one episode he'll be back by Reuters but i think it's only been one maybe two are you a 2 we saw Santa you spoke to Sansa some convince Robin yeah and then the next is should we tell him through the mundo it wasn't too short this I i would say i agree that this season has not been full of surprises yes i would say anywhere I don't think it's been I think it's been predictable but I would also say like I think the books inform some of this because like as you said forty percent of this if not maybe even more maybe 5050 have either already been covered in the books or were so far along in the books that they really had no other choice in terms of what they could do so I think that's part of the lack of surprise I would also say like they're clearly building too I mean I guess the climax of this season has to be Winterfell do you think that's what they're I think that's this that's the they always a second wait a second last one there's gonna be the battle of the bastards there's gonna be Circe's trial wait what is it Oh Jon Snow and Ramsey rent farmer I also don't really like Rams everyone over the moon about roads no one likes Franzi would you know but like people like him ISM as a villain I don't think he's interesting I don't at all think people like him as a villain really all I see are people being like Oh Ramsey's evil weekend right so it's like it's an offering isolation is like rain Joffrey was he you are more interest because he he was a petulant child in watching Tywin be like Joffrey go to bed yeah was hysterical yeah there were some layers there later he had interesting things to come up against yes Ramsay has just you know I any of it yeah I do I would say in terms of quote villains I think the this high Sparrow uh Jonathan Pryce is great yeah I think he's excellent killing the part yeah I just you know that is yeah i just think his characters like so lame though but I think he's no I thought you got far more interesting in this most recent episode because for the first time he wasn't sort of playing the big game he was really dealing with the micro things and trying to manage Marjorie so he saw his cards a bit more yeah but i think it was i also and you're right when just the circle back to like things being obvious like you knew Marjorie was like not having any of that or she's like clearly in on something yeah yeah yeah they didn't yeah i agree with that i would just say i think it's i think it's good the way they've built his character is they did such a good job of like slowly like being like yeah oh he's pure oh he likes Grandpa Charlie but he's just as bad as everyone right what's funny to is uh he fought all have you seen a picture of him side by side with the real pope they look a lot alike I'm just saying they look a lot alike they look it up on the Internet is a weird thing yeah um okay we've covered a lot yeah I don't know if I don't think I it's hard to judge a show in the middle of especially these kinds of shows so it all this how many we have left three yes is it free yeah that is not on also this is supposed to be correct me if wrong but is this the last full season as that was that up yes the rumor is that it they're gonna be 13 more episodes after they split up seven and six right but none of this has been confirmed by HBO but one of the directors jack bender did give an interview saying they're only gonna be seven episodes next year right which is pretty crazy and I'm sure age that kills HBO's like cash cow plans no it's way better why do Breaking Bad and Mad Men doing a split sure but they want it for four they'd want it sticking around for four years oh no it's always been a seven season plan oh noes originally it was supposed to be a book a season right right it was always a seventh season plan right I didn't know that so but they're gonna they're gonna split the next group of episode 7 and sex is what you're saying report and reportedly so the one last question i ask is so the show ends they know how the show this serie at the big fight i guess with the others or whatever that and the White walk the white walls is also winter coming right winter is coming so so the producers of the show the show runners know how that story line ends because they were told three things that we haven't that were covered in that meeting with george RR martin they were told they were about Shireen yeah being set on fire who Shireen the little girl services daughter against a fire last season okay they were told about Hodor right and they were told how they like big arc ends so I feel like I didn't know that yeah those were sets it is that what you've heard as well well I know they knew how the show was gonna end I thought that they described is like three oh moments and I thought the third was something we haven't seen yet that isn't how it was like I said I read it as like there's another like no I'm sure how about I love obstacle and so the question I have is like look the show has to if it ends after those thirteen episodes like you said theoretically again all reportedly if it ends there that has to be the final battle between like they can't end it before that battle happens unless they want to do movies and stuff like that right it's pretty I think the battle will happen in the show ideally I think it should end after that because one thing I really miss in the show we had in the books was we keep getting all these big moments of like war and tragedy and the books was really good at exploring the fallout of that sure the consequences of Warren they show is just like no we're just going to keep doing other battles and I would like to see the show explore what happens after that so maybe the winds of winter is the end of the like that ends with the big battle and then the last seven books evan is all just like a dream for spring well yeah it's basically I mean the titles sort of imply that to a certain extent yeah um I don't know that I would be motivated to read the books after seeing the show if they did that much I really don't know I i think the books are gonna have so much more interesting things happening I think they will have things happening but like I'm so stakes me so long to get through these books it's just like so much time and it's like oh I know that this guy's gonna die stuff like that it's very discouraged this season is making me more excited to read the books because i want to see how Jordan are Martin does it especially like with Doran like they screwed darn overs so I barely talk part in the show and I just want to know like what the point of them in the books it I mean in the books it's it's not been handled super well either door is on my favorite in the butcher but like I want to know their purpose maybe it's a more of a curiosity yeah I want to know why did you waste all this time in the books um I know I know you mean it is interesting because they are like it this weird X Factor that doesn't seem to factor into the whole like prepping for battle thing and there's there are a few like ditto with you know the Iron Man and stuff like that there's like a few elements that don't totally match up yeah like where does where do they just play and I think they are probably gonna be the ones that fairy Danny over and their boats here's my theory okay good i want yeah let's finish up with the theory let's finish it up with it I think you're on grey Julia's funding the sons of the harpy the way you're on is beyond sister no llora you're on is their uncle he's just the count he's the gap he's the new king you think he yes is funding the sons of the harpy even though when Tyrion like confronted those dues they said the slaver said no yeah they're like no and they rolled their eyes we saw Varys interrogating a woman and then it cut away from the actual reveal of her saying who was funding it I think that's a really odd way to do that it was like he's like okay tell me who it is and then it's Varys walking over to Terry and be like I found out it's the slavers that's suspect to me the slavers denied it also like if the slavers want donairs to leave why would they burn her quickest transportation to Westeros she wants to go and leave yeah why would they take that away you're on is like we're gonna build a thousand ships and then guess how many ships denair says she she means a thousand also we're now they can build ships oh that's its total not you told 12 people to build a thousand ship on an island that has no trees yeah my point is that we are rocks that's so much more interesting yeah Euron is like playing this long game of like destroying generis is fleet and forcing her into a in alliance I just don't know where that leverage give Sadie credit yeah we're just having the ship's is the leverage that's clear burns them so we can be like hey right on the shows and chips I'll take you there like yeah marry me I gotta hand it I did it yeah that's interesting it that's why she's got TV guys why you do channel how do i you get paid the big bucks Thank You reddit was that all it is god damn it why'd you show your hand it's like part me and part reddit right it's you in reddit in a twitter twitter ok i love it i were all internet it there's nothing better than conspiracy theories I mean I love I kind of you know you knew the whole thing about Jon Snow right because that wasn't that much of like a shocker were you surprised though I was like I said have shitty his resurrection was cuz it was dumb I thought you're talking about his parentage no yeah well that is at that everyone knows that too they have to do that this season to this race card is doing it you have but like let's tie that up um the way melisendra brought back she was like yeah but it was lame here's a little sand on your face come on it was lame bringing someone back Scott be harder than that also if you look at john derian his wounds never write healed or as john is fine yeah he should have like gaping wounds still on his chest yeah I mean we haven't seen her less but like fortunately they also haven't dealt with the fact that like his body would be like three days to cater yeah yeah there was she should always just have flies buzzing around him that'd be funny for the rest of the season uh CD Ganis thank you so much for being here this was a pleasure where can people follow you on twitter at Sadie Gennis spelled like tennis not the beer nothing Oh Guinness no we don't want Dennis it's Guinness tennis got it uh what do you have anything you want to promote specifically this weekend while people are of getting ready for Game of Thrones anything going on no no big piece you write a big story lately I don't know we always have a bunch of Game of Thrones coverage so come to TV Guide we're gonna have a video this week getting all in to widen eres maybe one of the villains in the show oh she's he'll for sure Ryan yeah she's the mad king she's healed yeah she's here and like you know I know there's a lot of time travel in the show now so it's like that's the thing how would that affect in there I don't know she's saying like she could be a time traveler she could be the mad king yeah like it's yesh she could actually be the mad king sure but they did introduce time travel for the record in this season they're like oh by the way the time travels a thing to a certain extent they did the idea they did but they also established that it's a it's a set time so you can't change anything right the line has been written right uh and then Ross what do you got going on at the polygon uh what do we got going on bunch don't bunch of overwatch stuff mirrors edge stuff if you curious by mirrors edge whether it's good i wrote a piece about how it made me want to vomit yeah i talked about on the show oh i wrote a piece about it so if you want to learn more about that i can go over polygon calm and I don't love that game III is next week so I love like angry stuff nor do I now games because the vomit yeah the puking has the thing but like that games just not the best yeah alright we're back next no that's it so we're gonna okay so today's the tenth 17th we're not gonna have a shell right I'll be at e3 ah but then the 24th will be back rockin and rollin alright thanks again Sadie that will do it for us until next time 866 404 seen it that is the phone number and appreciate you sticking minutes into the show we will see you next time you