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The 404 Show - The iPhone's headphone jack vs. lightning port, Italy, Palmer Luckey, Ep. 1677

2016-09-23
hey what's going on guys everyone oh sorry you stink of show job oh I see is this a joke like I I didn't know you were actually gonna come back what's going on guys for board I'm Russ front oh what'd you take it away I'm sorry I senior you know I thought two weeks on my own to figure out it's your show it's so funny I love your sticks prepare stick no no no he's not but he's a very close take charge but you know what he's my epic man in my heart riyo's I do love him a great deal I'm more like Hank on hey what's up everybody it's Friday September 23rd it's good to be back it is Thank You Russ for covering what I've done I heard you did a great job I listened to some of that stuff some of it not only yeah Chris plant lovely Chris plant which I recorded in my house so if you notice the drop in audio quality that's why and Mr Dan Ackerman yes no machine could fit barely he's not a fat man oh no no this body oh I hear what you're saying by his mom this huge brain if you can if you can't tell already mr. Steve sphere Guttenberg share the flat big round of applause for Steve I'm glad you're direct from Brooklyn back from Brooklyn I'm glad you're here because you can you can sort of help sort of break down my Italian vacation I just returned from I just want to ask a question I was in Italy maybe ten years ago okay and as a vegetarian I wasn't prepared for something yes I go to restaurants and I'd say there was nothing vegetarian menu so I said can I just have like pasta and sauce is that okay and they would look at me like I was crazy like there's no vegetarians in there no no you cannot I said we can't pasta right was almost like that scene in with Jack Nicholson you know no you could do it you'd have to really explain yourself though really you know this is funny - yes can I just have that no so Stevens I thought they were joking at first when they said no you said it's a restaurant you make pasta you make sauce just give me some of that I'm sure you could get that if you need it would be they would look at you funny they were not a comedy speaking of getting funny looks in Italy Stacey I had a great meal chef risottos clams and shrimp and all that stuff really really good with a very light tomato sauce very good sauce and she's looking at me and she goes I kind of want to put Parmesan cheese on this and I'm like I don't think you should ask for that I don't think she'd do that well it's an insult it's an insult to the chef I said hey it's like Americans are stupid mad they're not stupid but for the most part they add this to food that is all it's all the ketchup like ever you put steak in catch a like you're you're pretty much considered a psychopath in some circles nevertheless she goes to me she's like please I'm like I know it's it's fine the way it is but I would really love some Parmesan cheese she waiter comes by she goes can I just get some Hamza and he act and he first one go he was like oh like that American yeah any like the whole like oh my eyes like Mike oh I'm weak in the knees he's playing it up but like he grabbed his chest that his heart was broken uh-huh but grudgingly brought back a thing of Parmesan cheese and he was lady spittin and that yeah right and and he basically even as he was giving it to her still continues to plead with Trevor you should be like you sure you know what second chin second-guesses please man she's like I know I'm sorry it's just the way I like it like it better with the Parmesan cheese so I had it before and after okay it was better before Oh I mean like so maybe she stays it just has a nice I don't think that's what it is I think she just like yeah you know sometimes you just wanna you just want what you want that's fine Oh Americans goddammit of course America Italy specifically where I was in the country was where were you so I was may you're like the bluff no I had like the buckle where's the bow on the top of the shoe the groin yeah like a like a puritanical buckle I was the buckle so like yeah if this makes sense I was the buckle that's not where the buckle is it's the tongue of the boot yeah the tongue of the boot but high up yeah high up I flew into need what is that call the shin so it is called the amount oh how can you mouth because there was this sort of thing it's a very famous tourist destination flew into Naples and then drove about an hour to Positano and praiano and Ravello and Amalfi in all these places they drive on the right side they do okay yeah what they do yeah yeah the UK's like the only place you never do that and there you know they got their own problems so this place is amazing it is uh the these towns that I wore that I was in are all towns built into the cliffs of mountain yeah yeah I saw the pictures it's amazing it makes really no sense when you think about it because it's completely impractical for Modern Life but nevertheless served open for modern they were and modern life has been shoehorned into what exists there right now and it's amazing there's very thin roads you have a good Italian cake it's amazing Tariq's it needs to change you know there's a lot of Italian a lot of narrow roads where you have to like walk not get hit by skin I don't know if you do so I did that and it was bad yeah where'd you can they go on the sidewalks yeah yeah and not kids scooters motorcycles it's legit everyone's gonna like really small cars a lot of Mercedes like smarter electric cars yeah some of that but I saw mostly like diesel-powered cars a lot of that a lot of diesel you can sell it everywhere right oh well that's common in Europe yeah yeah so I saw you know see it stayed four nights opposed 2002 nights and praiano amazing really just amazing scenery the entire region there is a geological sort of phenomenon right you've got caves and cliffs and Grotto's and volcanic remnants and all these things it's super special I really really recommend it I know it's not a cheap trip but if you do have the means and it's something you know if you're looking for a place to visit I really endorse the Amalfi Coast not to mention holy the food yeah we don't think I could eat that food now you do okay really have just like a lot of ham like a lot of meat but the dairy is the problem right I put butter but don't know here's the thing so this is what I learned where I was staying in the southern portion of Italy is more about the fish and the oil up north is the father in the south this is the cheesy there's cheese but up north is like the chicken parmesan because there was no chicken parm I was in for eight days and it didn't have frickin chicken parm yeah I almost lost it yeah and realize like what was happening to my last night Naples where the cab drivers like yeah dude you wanna you want chicken parm you gotta go north don't talk like that but like exchange programs but you wanna hear something amazing he goes he's like where you from were like oh we're from right outside of New York City because oh I have a family from Hoboken New Jersey that's what I get and then you know what it made sense like Hoboken is for people who aren't in this area Hogan is basically like oh it's I mean they idolized Frank Sinatra yeah it is a very Italian American yeah I saw he was from yeah it's the it's the it's the birthplace of baseball as well all right I'll have you know yeah nah no hockey do not compromise nope that's just where the whole famous really that feel that's there that's not where they feel the dream no but at the corner of 11th Street and Washington and Hoboken is a baseball diamond and that's the first one that legend has it I don't I don't buy it I don't buy that for a second yeah so there there's my trip law and a little notice I saw amazing stuff it's some good people there too good culture that good culture there okay a very European it's not you know how many giant whale shirts oh my god with like the giant horse on it is that why there's a lot of like Fred Perry there's a lot of yeah a lot of like pop collars oh my god it's like everywhere is Miami the pop collar thing in Europe yeah they don't so here's I'm still trying to analyze the phenomenon of the pop collar they you don't see it as like a fashion statement okay I think they see it as like I don't my neck to get burned oh maybe this is but there's also writing there like there's also like the brand takes the time to stitch their name there as well and also kind of imagine that they're not quite as prone to sunburn it way no more of it Dada yeah it's out there a doc a peep I don't know darker yeah so I don't know but that's yeah well you have any more questions about Italia I mean it was it was really it was really something special yeah I've been to Italy where were you there I was 10 years ago I was there I went to well I started in in Venice okay yeah and then I yeah that place is sinking Wow it's been singing for a while and then I went to Florence and then I went to Rome hear the weirdest thing about being in Rome is I've grown up in New York City but Rome was too big a city for me that's how I couldn't hear I couldn't handle it actually it drove me crazy you'll never go back it's crazy I didn't know that it's so hectic yeah yeah and that thing that you know they don't they don't believe in like traffic lights and yeah that can't and they're driving like crazy perfect pattern there is so why he wants to do it though I wanted to drive but I did I get so you didn't drive it all now okay so that's it would be fine like if I was driving because like when I was a nice one there's no one on the roads yeah just like cuz sure no one lives there no one lives there but like the second I got to a rat like if I were to get to a roundabout in Italy and it was just like oh yeah Austin like everyone's just going there coming in different directions oh wait in Tokyo they're crazy drivers too no no Tokyo is very or I was saying Iceland it's very quiet I was saying about Tokyo is that it's such crazy it's like the density of men but like it just goes off in every direction for ten miles doesn't say it's crazy that's cool I gotta get there yeah I got I gotta be beamed over there yeah we'll get you all over so you know you went to to Italy I had a great time but I went to Bushwick Brooklyn yesterday oh really and I had a great time I really really did I went to had you not been there I'm amazing except dapped own records okay this soul R&B label that's been there since 2001 okay and it is beyond funky and all old-school like old-school really really olds clear they have a recording studio there they have a recording studio it's all analog there's no digital equipment at all in the studio it's an 8-track machine there's no like dumping it to Pro Tools and fixing mistakes or anything they record live bands no edits on many of the tracks on adapt own record and it's just so basic and gritty and authentic and really inspire so you're walking through this place and you're just losing your mind I was because you know I had expectations but it was better they've been around 2001 oh yeah so they started with Sharon Jones was their first artist because as she says in one of her songs because she was trying to get you know deals with other labels and she was too fat too short too ugly and too black so she didn't have the right look but she had the right voice yeah but that didn't count yeah so she go on the voice tone and then she's like the DAP tone ya star so but Amy Winehouse recorded a lot of her rehab record there yeah and that made you sort of brought them to prominence was when Amy recorded yeah it's funny when you brought up the depth because it wasn't her backup and called the dap-kings those adapt Kings I just watched that documentary right and I was just sort of scrubbing through it in my mind if they hadn't mentioned DAP tone records and I don't maybe they did man have I cried what a story it's um it's it's very unfortunate but she's out there she's making a new record right now but as we speak oh we talking about anyone else no I'm sorry sir oh yeah yeah well like so it's interesting cuz the documentary like almost raised the question like if she wasn't so effed up with that record of coming right I'm one that's the argument on all like genius like a lot of these genius artists that are amazing comedians or what-have-you like you know there's a reason why they're able to do that and part of that reason is the broken part of them that like needs that juice to perform or can you be a great artist and be happy and well bad I think Tom Hanks I think is that like I think he's a very good actor he's not an artist though way sure you know come on come on you don't think he's a extraordinarily talented actor I don't okay what about a good actor he's a he's always Tom Hanks but he's always the nice guy who does the right shirt but he's extremely likable he is like an that is not something everyone has a tedster I think the part of him in shorts now if you're a great artist there needs to be a part of you that puts a lot of like way more priority on your art than you do on the rest of your life which in turn makes you kind of miserable right but also makes the art better right and again it's not mutually exclusive but I would say a lot of times why it's so common is because of that is prioritizing the art over their human right you know I'm not a big guy Jerry Seinfeld fan but he said thing like you know when he was starting after all these other guys behind there playing clubs and he just said and the entropy says well why did you make him he says because I wanted it more hmm yeah I just would not take no I kept trying even when I was being rejected yes that's the other thing about being an artist is you're not instantly discovered no matter who you are right so you get rejected for you know years yeah sometimes very you need at the time it needs to be right your tiger right it's not just fodder you're gonna always make oh yeah you need to kill yourself over it you do so what did you like what did you hope to get out of there what did you want to be I was there to write it that write a blog okay and I went with Nathan from last.fm who shot video of the Nathan great guy yeah yeah so and the engineer Wayne Gordon was there and to show me around and tell stories about the label and the way they make records and it's an aesthetic that's the thing that's so interesting about it they record live to a track so there's no digital equipment at all in the studio right the band plays live in the studio with vocals and then they play a complete song and when they pick one that's good they say okay we're done we're going to the next you know fixing it in the mix so you're saying they just like sit around and they like decide which song is the one to take well they just well they get multiple takes of the song just do it and they did it's not to say they would never overdub anything but the basic thing is they're not assembling music from bits and pieces of stuff that was required it's not all tracks it's not all it's not like over 400 tracks on Pro Tools and we'll take like right first syllable this word from Tuesday and lunch and six months ago from yes it's just like the halt the real deal that's cool man yes and you know it's interesting that they record analog not for an audio files like all we think analog sounds good that's not it at all the reason they call they record analog is for the discipline of analog oh you mean it's uh it forces the artist to constitute relation yeah to light should not be like oh we'll just fix that in polite that kind of yeah just got you and they said you know if they have a guy come in to do a part that doesn't usually record there unless it's a guitar player right so you do your guitar solo so I think the guy plays the guitar solo and then the engineer I'll say so you think you can do it better and then yeah let me give it a try but understand that when you do it better we're gonna record over the one you just did Wow and then they'll say you can't save it no there's no saving in this technology so yes is it is a track tape take that stay stay stay so there's a big two-inch tape okay so rewinding the tape right it's back to that white essentially right they don't have to do that I mean is it they have to do that no they can can they can make more than one recording yeah why not they don't have to record over yes they have to record hey there's no room no other place it could go where we're with the whole second guitar solo co winger I'd say the guitar so this is 16 seconds long I hear what you're saying I hear no I don't understand I heard you say Sol Sol Sol the guitar solo starts at 2 minutes in just to make it easy right it ends at 2 minutes and 16 sure so they go back to where the guitar solo starts he plays erasing the previous so they are recording the separate tracks they're not recording all instruments at the same time oh they always are but let's say there was a part what we're gonna over target are part they understand I just say they have heard it so for overdubs that's how they're doing that's oh you're right a lot a lot of pressure a lot of discipline thank you so you really have to like carry over like there's so much they are on the track that you come here it's buried but it's just so I think that's it just it makes musicians play a certain way it's not it's not the right way to record for it the average music all right right but they just recorded now they do a lot of soul and RB R&B records but they recorded a rock band called the mystery lights which is actually why I got interested in visiting them because I thought that's kind of weird cuz you don't usually do rock bands yeah so the produce the engineer / producer of Wayne Gordon says why so the spin I really liked them I took the owner label to see him he liked them he said yeah let's sign him and then he tells him like this is how we make records right ok with this nail like yeah no problem sure and they were so into it and they said you played it in the club you can play it in you played all the time yeah but it was just you know so it's a very different and and the band records like I mean their music sounds like 1968 sure ok psychedelic rock music gosh essentially they're things so it fits perfect it fits perfect yeah and it was just it was really exciting and even told me like you know they're just like oh so I'm in the vocal booth which they don't always use like for this cut for this man for the mystery lights the the singer jumps around so sit so how do you like this guy and he said I just had to give him a hand mic and he just fell right yeah that make sense but they do have a vocal booth for some of the vocalists who need it and I said when I when I'm in the booth I said this boot sounds really familiar like I don't want to offend your talents as a recording engineer but I hear the vocal booth on your records yeah that's okay that's part of the sound of this room sounds like huh all right the one you're currently in right now this room it's I don't know cuz everyone's so loud it's not that way something is and this is something that's gonna be on scene it it's gonna be unseen that beautiful yeah so it's capped own records alright everyone keep keep an eye out for that we will will spam everyone with the okay link when it goes up good ah Palmer Luckey keep Steve know who that is yeah you don't know that if you were Palmer no have you heard this so Palmer Luckey is the 20-something year old yeah mid-20s who invented oculus rift do you know what that oh yes I was then bought by Facebook for one two billion two billion dollars yeah yeah well that's where it ends nice were the cool stuff ends so he walks away with two billion dollars and then and there's a bad part yeah well yeah look so so you know oculus rift has had an interesting sort of rollercoaster ride on its way to retail so Palmer's no longer involved no yes this is really not about the headset not about VR The Daily Beast just put out a report that fingers Palmer Luckey as a financial backer for nimble America an organization that promotes Trump in the forthcoming presidential election through online and real-world advertising and viral posts nimble America front page nimble America's front page features a story about rapists operating in criminal gangs the Mexico border echoing some of trumps most controversial claims Thanks they're shitpost their ships organizations it's kind of a garbage news organization I feel very weird this is a crazy story so well I'm just because I heard about it yesterday and I'm just still kind of wrapping my head around my feelings about it now well we uh you know yeah made it pretty clear that like I don't politically aligned myself with that stuff it's not yeah sure of course we're you getting I guess what I'm getting at is I don't begrudge him his right to spend money and stupid play no more stupid he's allowed to me whatever the hell he wants and he is also technically allowed to do those things in private and not have that highlighted yeah but now that it has been highlighted it makes me I will 100% feel icky the next time I wear a helmet ie headset and maybe that's stupid so like sort of attach that sort of political ethos to of technology device yeah because obviously like you know all technology companies have their weird like a potentially a moral or a but when you heard that Woody Allen was having sex with right what did you stop watching what he saw that sort that's a good comparison actually I mean I did not watch it I did watch men head into the first time by the way the other night and and it was it's great it's great and genius and also super super weird and creepy yeah well it's because you know what happens next but when movie came out we didn't know that okay okay anyway I did really it was with the live organ and it's so gonna banach play the music oh wow you did that yeah that's cool Wow what do you like better Manhattan or any hell yeah I like anything all better cuz any hole doesn't make me feel good I think people say cafe societies real good that's heard I can't imagine that's good okay which one I know you don't like the Owen Wilson one was okay I didn't think I hated that one who was the last one that I liked was the one in Christina no no the more recent one there was a good one with he's not in it what he's not in it match point no recent one person with what's his name Phoenix burger Phoenix no River Phoenix like he's a he's a philosophy professor and he has a quandary what to do the right thing ya know it's really good it's not like two or three years old already so many movies anyway brief segue sorry um no it's okay yes I just feel very weird about the situate you know what I you know what I'm trying to like just like a weird like mental quandary it's that feeling that you can't quite put a word to you know I've already see people on Twitter game journalists being like eff this guy like got it like a slimy and shitty as it is you can't say that like you can't judge his products now because you're a scumbag Trump's yeah if you feel I'm sorry not a scumbag he is a scumbag sort of like subterfuge oh whatever I mean if you feel like if his political dealings or like political leanings make you feel like you like him less or whatever you 100% cannot cover his stuff it exactly so that's the everybody's personal choice but Volkswagen what was that that's German here hitler's car right at the people's car yeah books wagon VW so that means that like Jews should never buy Fox wagons on paper I guess they shouldn't buy so where does it end right I mean that's like we're yeah it's a thing it's not him and obviously there are thousands upon thousands of people that work for iOS as a company so here but the thing here though the thing that I find most intriguing is like the oddness of this story like this is very odd and I find that entertaining yeah it's interesting because it's rare like I'm not gonna gain the whole are like a pretty tame medium unless like outside stuff like gamer gay and stuff like that comes up right but like from a news perspective like you don't see the like controversy or like this CEO did something really weird like it'll be it's pretty tame so when this stuff happens it's just very interesting because it really is like yeah oh wow people they have weird things yeah and if you're 20-something years old and you got two billion dollars that there's a lot of weird things happening in your I would familiar probably I would though if I was an early backer of oculus I'd probably be a little bit pissed right now because they are my money a lot of wait yeah a fraction of it yeah a lot of deaths there were a lot of people on Twitter also vocalizing like oh you know awesome this is great I helped but you can't apologize man efest oh right you can't vote fully vet anyone you right my tortoise there's no if you're gonna give money to someone whether it's Apple whether it's Samsung whether it's palm or walkie your oculus whatever you will not there's gonna be someone along the chain that does something that you do not like yeah yeah you're heroes right I mean of course you know all about thing you could find that guy oh no now I don't like him it I think the Woody Allen things are really a good example yeah actually I think a lot of his stuff is also a lot of he-said he-said she-said sorry um whereas like there's a smoking gun he but he did but you can say he did yes he marry his married which is not cool which is not the best it's not awesome not it's it's it happened it's not great right we're not happy about it so and you can make that choice of once that came out you could make the choice unless you and some people probably make that choice so you know and I'm sure moving forward a lot of people will be like if there's an oculus to or whatever will say I don't want to support this guy right well you don't have short memories and stuff like they do they're not gonna but luckily the vibe is better so all right here is what we got next man it's so weird that this happened I can't get like when I saw this story I was just like what yeah is happening people photoshopping the Time magazine the dumb Time magazine cover like how many told like regardless of who this person is he's only 24 uh-huh which sort of makes made it almost make more sense to be honest but cuz you just have like mother you know that relate you know that guy that's like fresh out of college with like you know angry young man situation and he like you know I mean there are people the same people that honestly like originator I mean that's honestly almost an akin to it which is the saying like I would have changed the world and Nader's the only way you can do it and guess what the result of that was was eight years of hey I was one of those people I wasn't so yeah and look wow that's a good point but you know what I mean it's like these people that want to change the world end and sometimes they're a little like yeah and if they're very rich they will put those sometimes misguided thoughts dollars into a place that well and it's more visible and what's more public and there's all these people talking to them you know like if you if you know if you're a rock musician right and suddenly your name and your and you're 23 years old and just people say sign this contract how would you know how would you know how to sign a contract who you should trust a personal manager how would you fight another personal manager that you could trust you would you don't need someone that you already trust like that is a great question like what does your move right like you if your move is really probably trusting some one person first yeah right but that one person if you know them already and and and suddenly have two billion dollars they're not equipped to that person that you're trusting is equipped to make Cartesians about what we should be doing that that's something like no one ever talks about and it's really an interesting sort of thing like if you become super fit like tomorrow something you do you're super famous tomorrow you got movie deals you've got booked you're ready to go right like what do you do how do you say you know you essentially won the lottery right you do you call up the one person you know who are like maybe knows another reassignment that's I mean that's the angle is like you who's the most famous person you know that's been in the situation right and you talk to them and you and and they maybe will say well this is what I screwed up someone came to me and offered xy9 I wish I knew this right I wish on you and that's all you can do like you're not gonna have a huge can you read a contract when you're my age or 20 I think someone's offering you 20 million dollars you hire a lawyer of course like don't be an idiot of course okay that wouldn't be part of your yeah it's more kind it's more complicated than a contractor sure who is booking you who's handling your business who's handling your investments who gets really screwed up in a lot of people right that's correct I did a story about a guy who sells super expensive hi-fi like a hundred thousand two hundred thousand million dollar heist and he mentioned some very very famous nurses our version of hi-fi absolutely is it worth it yes to the people who buy them I guess it's all relative so but the thing that he told me was that when you're like at the super famous when you're the billionaire arrange that the people who work for you the nannies they have their people yeah you know you're there your people have like a hierarchy it's like a corporation right so like when that person is gonna fly from New York to Chicago to do a thing these all there's like 50 people that go with them and they have their people who were making the arrangements for the hotels and there's like only one guy is doing anything for himself right yeah but it's like because he said so when someone buys a million dollar hi-fi did they come personally and he says no he has a guy who does he's the High Line that guy has other people who like his assistants like his assistants for the assistant or the assist its entourage right who's your sister in life so you've got your ring I know you don't wear one no but Russ forgets it constantly yeah I would say if you're on your way percent success rate care or she doesn't know she no I tell her whenever I forget but you know she's fought like weirdly I've mentioned this before I think no one in her family the men wear rings I guess like Spears why did I take it off before I sleep so do I I can't sleep with it it distracts me to hear Sam's so here's why it's your dear ones here's why it's ridiculous cuz you're wearing a wristwatch so all you do is what I do it's not though because no it is cuz you take that all no but for the last 15 years I've gone watch wallet phone keys here's where it goes now we add another one know when you take off your wise you put the white put the ring inside the watch like inside the where the watch is sitting yeah and you never will forget it ever it work for you huh I've been doing it for six years now twice I forgot my thank you for the part time and that's because I was going someplace more yeah single guy on the prowl alright let's talk about something relevant to tech this is a great idea you had you wrote up a story about the new iPhone 7 yes no well I wrote about you know are we gonna miss the headphones right so this was this like a dagger in your heart cuz it was it was sort of to me it was sort of because there's been decades and decades and decades of incidence millions and millions and millions of people who bought Bose headphones with wires and by the way Beats headphones the company that had long wire yes right so see all you can get this little dongle thing but does the dongle thing sound any good that's right so the so you compare think so you compared the sound coming out of the headphone jack on an iPhone 6's verizon pair back and forth that was super smart would you find I found with a good headphone I didn't have a Bose but I'm like what are we talking about like a be like a be yeah $200 a head front like a B&W yeah there was a slight difference that the the headphone jack sounded better than the lightness described what are we talking about yeah I was listening to a string quartet okay cuz if you play really nasty rock and roll you can't tell so listen straight and I was like focusing on the this the the string players breaths yeah you can hear them breathing right so I couldn't hear them breathing so much where they're like if you listen can't you are they lying anyway I could hear their breaths Wow and and just more of that like room that they were using the exact same headphones but you were using this dongle now the question is is it the dongle that's losing fidelity or if you were directly connected to like if you had had fought headphones that had a lightning Jack connector would that be better I guess I don't even know if that exists apart from the ones that come in the box yeah you know it will be I mean there are some high-end headphones a company called Odyssey makes headphones with lightning connector I've been making him for two years did you know they actually didn't try that because that doesn't apply to this what is this this is that the purpose of writing the story is if you own a nice pair of wired headphones yes should you think twice before you buy it yes guys that's the point totally so I think if you're a careful listener if you listen to things that have that kind of quality today recording it's a slight difference what I'd call it 5% of and and you're obviously very highly attuned to that so yeah most people you would say probably wouldn't notice most people I would say the man it sounds like the vast majority of right one but I think there is a question though about the dongle itself okay where's the question it's it's not very well made it is gonna fall apart oh it is and I would it comes $9.00 it comes me it comes with the iPhone right I mean I had a buy one since I didn't plan gotcha so I bought one and I don't think it's gonna last I think plugging like the headphone into the things kind of weird although people pointed out after the fact well I wouldn't be plugging the headphone into the dongle I'd plug the headphone in and then just plug in the light yeah right but so the other question I guess I have is so you were testing on a 6s which makes sense right but the question is is there anything that they did to the seven that would potentially make the audio on the seven man yeah I'm gonna find out next week cuz I'm gonna use Joey's iPhone 7 and do it again it's the same thing I think there's no like delay nothing that's like seeing at the plug-in it's a boy why would have to sync it actually does because it no because the the dango is a digital converter so it isn't instant mm-hmm it's I don't know yeah second is I'm saying it's like a little had it plugs right ane was a tiny handshake that happens it's like two babies shaken yeah so I mean I just think why though why why did Apple have to do then to make it thinner it doesn't everybody put cases on their phones yes right so yeah I was reading one story about what they said they actually put in there right was I had the barrack chamber no I don't know I don't know so I mean their official reasoning for it carries well they've encouraged innovation so they've said they put in another speaker where the headphone jack is okay great okay and so shitty speakers and second ones and then they put in I mean there are you know who knows at least it was waterproof now that they couldn't be waterproof with but no that's that can't be true because there are Samsung devices that have had four headphone jacks that are okay so that can't be true but the I mean the argument is like well it's more space for batteries or whatever which I mean strengthen the flipside of that is like obviously they own beats and and the markup on Bluetooth is pretty significant you actually make a lot more money selling Bluetooth headphones and you do wired because you can charge a pretty significant markup for a relatively cheap component inside right so from a money-making standpoint it makes a lot of sense I also sort of think it's more about not this generation but next year's phone which I guess potentially the design of next year's phone might not even allow for the thickness of a headphone jack theoretically so that's all really thin I mean that would be crazy thin you're right 100% but I'm show me this one's gonna be thinner than an eighth of an inch I mean it would need to be a little bit while obviously to allow for it like you the hole needs some edging yeah after work so I mean who knows we might design the iPhone eight another than a credit card it'll fall right like they've run out of risks I mean I think the camera stuff is kind of the camera stuff like that is cool I know myself included like it's a tough transition to make and and it's you getting it no I'm not planning on it you know I've messed around with one in the office and stuff like that but you know I might it'll be interesting next year I own an iPhone really just like one but i but like I loved the Nexus 6p so much yeah I know I know you've been gone for a while but there's actually a new phone you might want to look at is the note 7 it's supposed to be really good yeah for exploding pants do you know what the phone that's exploded oh yeah yeah yeah honey what do you think about that what is it like when you were 12 years old and you were playing we're in Brooklyn growing up so we were like oh man in 50 years we're gonna have part we're gonna devices in our pockets that explode for no good reason yeah I wasn't thinking about that but I was thinking about what do you think that you your generation your generation yeah that you were up with before smartphones yes you make long enough to remember what life was like so I grew up you walk around thinking I I'm missing out on so much I'm walking down the street and I don't know what what email I got just now no did you wanna sit when I turned like 12 and I got on the internet the second there was an Internet I was like okay my see where what was your handle I don't know something like with a punk rock band like rancid kid 15 something like that yeah I think like I think once I knew that there was an Internet I was like oh this'll get faster do you know what I don't know I don't know what my vision of the future was like based off Back to the Future I was like oh we'll have flying cars double fives and we'll have light and we'll have like things like that right and fax machine is clearly the the future of communication right and and how does that ethical to be with you like is that what you sort of imagined when you were 12 space travel and spying senses like that kind of stuff you know yeah see that's what's so weird is that kids now do not have a future they don't say in a hundred years and we're gonna get to do this it's Mars but how does a kid like hey I'm gonna go to the moon and we're gonna do this I don't the kids are they don't have a future where they live in so you think like that we gotta find on't think about a future I don't know about they know they have order in the future they think I might get an MBA or something they don't think like technology or gonna get to do these things that we can't do now what could why don't do well here all say that we can't they want to do why do you sound so confident in knowing what the hell twelve year olds of 2016 are thinking about is your source like I need to ask I know a 12 year old I'll get back to me I'm really curious they think of the few spaces a cousin of your old cousin I'm gonna be like hey yeah what do you think is gonna happen in 30 years yeah I just don't you be able to do when you grow up that you can't do that's the question right what do you get that you can't there there actually is a very good podcast and I'm totally blanking on the name of it but I would recommend it it's hosted by Sidney McElroy and it's basically her and her sister so she is 30 mid-30s and her sisters actually 15 oh and they each week talk about like what is the situation and like this different so I would recommend it just search city map you see you see the thing about the about kids especially but even people right they don't they don't when they think of the future they just think of better versions of what we have man the internet right there was no what is that like TV for everybody it's like people didn't say oh I wish there was this thing well it's a bigger TV right a bigger TV more cable channel four channels right they is from of what they already had not something they didn't have yes right so the thing that they didn't have that they sort of had fantasies about when I was a kid was space travel and flying things and more energy and landing on the moon you weren't an old man when that no no that was extremely excited I so did not open up the possibility and your mind like oh maybe we'll live on the moon sit one in in my lifetime or go to go to the moon you but no but I'm saying when they landed on the moon you were you're a teenager right yeah I was I was 19 yeah so so yeah I mean no was a big deal right and by the way I was on the beach in Rockaway right this is how I celebrated it right I was on the beach and I was looking at the moon yeah I was with my girl like you see them in and there's like people yeah it's really weird that's like you guys don't have the experience that you can look at a thing in the sky and say there are human beings well I do that with planes people in this flying steel bird that's weird you know what I thought I really well you I'm curious what the 12-year olds will say yeah I I don't know lead the conversation yes bring that back yeah I would love to do that I'm just sorry maybe I should record it of the future yeah what would he go this this this present that I'm living in with zombies walking around the streets of New York City looking into their phones dancing it's just they don't walk in a straight line they just kind of weave back and forth okay I'm an old guy they're slowing me down it's like get out of my way anytime your old guy they're slowing me down literally they are and its really annoying then you get to a corner you waiting for the light to change in there yeah it was so here's the dude why do people walk around holding their Pokemon not when they're actually using them they just hold I do that why do they do that I do that because I want change for the next five I know now I do it because me I do it because I'm vaping out of my father no I do it because I want to be able to change the next track oh no but I'd say when you're not even using it no yeah if I'm using it if I'm not using it it's not my Pokemon only works when it's out it doesn't work if it's in your pocket that's actually all right I mean maybe the future will working so I think a lot of the people if you've seen it more recently we're poor just like holding their phones honestly I think a lot of them probably are not looking at it no they don't need to look at it they're just but in the future to work in their pocket yeah in the far-off future but Steve I agree with you I think if there's Wallace there is something not right about the current state of detachment right that's certain now it's not just young people it's POS every well it's all people um I noticed is when I'm walking Dylan in his stroller and people who all are who are also wheeling their kids around you know looking at their phone not paying attention to the driving and the kids like and now I see this when people walk their gigantic freaking dogs right dogs that like could easily drag them a city block yeah and they're just like lackadaisically just like you know liking on Instagram yeah I have a great problem with people interrupting the normal flow of human traffic and yes that's that what my frustration and I think like because they're in their own little world right i and some people are courteous I I make a very self-aware effort to do this if I am gonna look at my phone yeah actually sure yeah there's like a Larry David like number of feet okay Liam to like keep it open and do you say when they don't say anything you say you're welcome no thank you and it's so obnoxious that is such a dick move right now come on sometimes make a big deal about the fact that they just donated to charity that's exactly the you know what I do a lot what I do a lot is the people the zombies like you've refer to them when they cut me off or do something really stupid uh-huh I'll vocally be like okay okay we're doing this now I guess you know something like that and they still been on here because there still is though I was I was on the subway I think I was going to the airport so I had my rolling luggage with me it was pretty heavy so I was getting out of subway I was walking up some stairs and a woman halfway up the stairs of the subway all right I've got the luggage with right and I like to stop abruptly oh and I and I say like I didn't even say anything I was just like a long like huh all right one of those and she turns around she's like what well I was like this is not the place to stop man yeah that's what you say she's like uh and kept going they have no response to that not so whoo that is the biggest power movie line you think she is I'm not just all that happens all the time I if I if people just stop in the middle it sucks so if you run them over with your body yeah are you held liable is it your fault because I know if you if you you know crash into someone's rear bumper it's your fault that's true that's fair it is your fault yeah it's insane and and I know I've brought this up again put the why did I do that to me who ran into me yeah like a car owning a car oh yeah and he walked into me and said well excuse me I said you you walked into me did you super play all right before we go before we go we got to talk about the $1,800 elephant in the room yeah we're looking at a pair of headphones that Steve brought in and they're $1,800 you make it sound like that's a lot of money it's a lot of freaking money man do you know to be the top 5% in terms of headphone price that's gotta be like Heights up there right nice work spent I guess we got to do like a listening test right like can we do right now I don't think we really know you can report back and I'll report back I'm gonna play with these let's just write but let me tell it people the people what they are yeah what are this so this is kind of funny that this is a headphone company and the name of the company is mr. speaker they're not worth that price tag very I I admit the name it's like not what they might as well be called sound guys the guy who starts who owns a company and signs everything he used to be a speaker design it was a freelancer so his heart was called mr. speakers and then he sort of dabbled in headphones for a while okay and didn't want to like change the name and then the headphones were doing really well and he was doing less and less speakers but by that point II thought it was too late that you need a rebrand yeah I agree anyway this headphone is called the ether flow see or actually ether see flow okay see for it's a closed back headphone gotcha and these are real carbon fiber earpieces yeah they're super lightweight - very lightweight yeah really really comfortable and the technology and the headphone is called a planner magnetic driver so most headphones have like a little tiny speaker driver inside yeah essentially a cone inside there yeah and this has a flat piece of plastic that's coated with conductors and then it's between two sets of magnets so that basically the voice coil is distributed over this piece of plastic okay and then the magnets are you know in a potent opposition to that thing and then the signal goes in and it's either attracted to one set of mags or the other huh so it's it's what is that bigger than like if you had a big speaker in your house firing directly into your ear there's no room but but if the internals is it essentially the same idea it's there are there are speakers that are made with that same technology I've just called planar magnetic got it these are - I feel like I shouldn't have these you should you don't they're too good for me I'm just joking around okay no we the reason that Dan Clark would design these headphones wanted you to hear him he because you said me specifically well you're the games guy oh yeah for the games he did actually yeah cuz he said that I sent you a link to some PC I mean some game yeah thing that said these are amazing sounding headphones that's why this all came up I mean could be so what both like what about them is good for gaming you don't know cuz I'll try and what gaming like a lot of the thing incredible detail and incredible like bass definition and power and dynamics like when you if you want to I'm not into advising people to play things really loud but if you play these really loud they just having well critical power and for gaming and the other important thing is is a surround sound surround sound but they're very open they're they're open they're stereo speakers they're not getting this yeah so I tried some speakers have like like three tweeters in the well they're three drivers yeah yeah perspective if you're like a professional gamer they use those all the time because you can identify people behind you right yeah so for these the only way to really add accurately test them with gaming is you'd have to use like a hundred out like the PlayStation headphones for like a hundred fifty bucks and then compare those to that or I mean I'm planning on just hooking these up up to the DualShock for headphone jack no you can't do that what else is that the wireless oh you're right yeah it's wire how do we said there was a there was a controller though yeah it's in the controller which wire's versus although the new controllers are wired they mate how about I just take the headphone out for my receiver yeah that's okay well oh yeah why why can't I do that you really want you saying you want it directly connected I want him to use this headphone amplifier yeah I can this oh this piece of it seems like yeah well you got a there's a reason why I don't do scuba-diving I like the concept of scoob's not too much work yes it's very the year you and I are gonna look at this when we're done okay um and but I'll report back we'll figure it out I'll get it done maybe there's no game that has like a there's plenty of high-end game games that have analog outputs what the console console does no does not the HDMI or optical audio and and even new PlayStation 4 remove the optical audio so it's like the HDMI going into the receiver and then you're on your own from there would it work without the gaudium like it with no I could get one that could do that but I did alright we'll talk about it we'll figure this way well capture they anyway anyway kids it's mister speakers the model is ether C flow and you have to refund the discount code 18 bucks five dollars of free shipping handcrafted I better be California they do happen to be beautiful beautiful they're comfortable and they send I'll check him out anything else before we go well so when I was a kid the headphone that really started everything was called the sennheiser HD 440 those the weird ones that still exist then people still wear them know those are costs are the cost uh yeah so anyway this dis headphone you know and I've been thinking about it lately like I wonder if it's as good as I remembered it cuz like I had mine like the mid 70s or something so I just looked around that eBay and was like not hard to find yeah so I wound up buying a pair that was from 1970 yeah and I get it the other day and open the box I was like this could be a really big disappointment or they don't know isn't CEO it wasn't sale but it was in really good condition the guy had all the original package that's really rare anyway so I pop them on my hand I was like these things still sound really really good that's great yeah phenomenal if this guy owned them for 46 years so it's that thing that that drum that I like to beat here if you buy really good stuff you can laugh buy them for life right and when it comes with a wire that plugs into a hole yeah and they still make those holes so you're saying screw Apple yeah yeah yeah get rid of my apps with the jack I mean I'm with you man I get it I understand you know your feeling about this i I was upset when they got rid of CDs for a minute it still didn't but Saturday both CDs so dude how many CDs were sold the United States in 2014 entwine that's the days here I have numbers in 2014 there were 40 million CDs I think way less I think and you're right how many 40 40 a hundred and forty million I'll send you the link do as a cd-player 40 million five hundred and forty I was off by a hundred million you know Pinkerton just went platinum it isn't like the other week you hereby vesti it took them 20 years platinum they are the Woody Allen's of the music industry though they come out with a new record every year yeah um did you heard about that right Steve the Weezer album Pinkerton oh no just one fun go listen to it on 20 years I'm Kyle huh so but anyway because I was going to review this CD player right and rather say don't yeah the you know the name of the CD player you know the blonde apply CD player I thought well that's not a good headline cuz no one will read it right this the show makes sense a hundred and forty million CDs and I'm telling you it's down I'm sure if I turn that into a candy store like there's no yeah I seen a CD in a store in people aren't buying books right I mean they are but they're not Barnes and Nobles going out of business there's only like 11 of them left east ebook sales are down like 21% won't this year yeah but what was that because I ebooks are down it just and everything is that I think that's just because there's a lot of all-you-can-eat okay and also like there's a lot of other entertainments yeah well old people buy them right but they're not gonna be around forever they're round now so they're around great people still updating the hardware like in a CD player that's the beauty of it you could have a 1982 the year the CDs came out it will play in any CD player there's no updates required there's no like thinking spinning me like you lating know you put it in hit play and if the CD is not broken right and the CD player works it will play 100% like you put that in those thinking scanning ejecting there's a lot of complications update your firmware it's like the LP you could have an original LP from 1948 plays perfect I get it you're not there's nothing wrong point is lost like your point is not relevant no you're not relevant yes you're not here in this story that 140 million were sold you may not buy one you may not buy one but maybe somebody's buying a more lucky whoever whoever's buying them I don't know who they are right yeah literally don't know they are do you see yes all right oh really buy them all the time wouldn't work why that why did you on Amazon you ready are you listening you got headphones I'm honestly curious wait wait there's no way to get a digital version of the same song it's not as good if not better this is not possible ACK no Flags not is no way it would be but here's the thing I want to concede I want to support the artists yeah sure Otis oh my god I see in live that's how you get by to Reno website digital there's this band that the tie tournament to LCD soundsystem which you're getting back together yeah but before they got back together in 11 years they made three album yes because people didn't buy them so when people don't buy them why are they all make as many but in a successful band they have other ways of making and then they get old and then the guitar player drops dead of an overdose and then they can't tour anymore groans the minute matter The Rolling Stones well the Beatles Paul McCartney's still making money from Sergeant Pepper those checks keep rolling in right so after your two older feeble or your band breaks up the recorded legacy keeps making you money not only if you're a mega superstar like the Beatles no no no not if only if you're that because you could have had one hit in 1972 and that will it's in a movie and the cash registers really rising so yes so saying the guy who wrote red rubber ball is still living on the Red Robin yes he's called Paul is Paul Paul Simon he's still making oh that's right so I knew that I don't know why I knew that weird well like there's weird stuff like that like Bruce Springsteen wrote that Boston song more than a feeling really something like that Ronny he wrote um that Manfred Mann song yes yeah I know I can't think what the hell that's correct yeah he wrote that and that's what I meant oh no I said well we're not gonna settle this right no we're not oh yeah I mean I don't think we're in disagreement about anything like I throw you are you don't believe that people buy CDs clearly you can't argue with the numbers I think that number is tanking well yes but a long way to go you know how many LPS all people keep writing about the LP is back turn people they were in that same year 9.5 million LPS oh but eighteen times where CDs were sold and you don't see articles in newspapers saying this CDs are selling really well right because because you go to the Best Buy and you see if they turn that they buy them on the integers on I get it i buy them it was this amazing story new york city other music on fourths yeah yeah yeah and I used to buy CDs there all the time I miss it and you know why but them there because hey I wanted to support the store and be because you'd go there to define cool bright stuff I'm as their purpose that I miss going to generation records yeah that store right yeah I miss going there was on Bleeker I think yeah I miss going there and like seeing what was new like what the people who worked there we're listening to like I called Spotify discovery No it's called vintage vinyl in New Jersey it's still around but I'd only get to go there maybe once every other year or so I understand I I long for that aesthetic I'm still part of that but at the end of the day like I'm not breaking my balls when I can get a flack album do you mean like flak still saying if you can't touch it is it real well that's that's a debate for what he's alone that's a debate for another time mr. Guttenberg listen we got to go the pleasure life love you very much thank you for being here this is fob will I feel young you should we'll post all the stuff as it comes in especially on the the DAP town records little profile you did that I can follow me act audiophile man feely act man on Twitter that's gonna do it for us we're back next week with a brand new show until I won't be here well it'll be half brand new I guess but yeah I will be new alright we'll figure it out brand oh you know what else I want to talk about real quick we're gonna have the sleep doctor on in a couple weeks and I want everybody to send in sleep questions we I only did a tweet and I did get like a dozen questions I've never I've never been on the show with the sleep doctor so you'll be here for that one yes okay earplugs by the way you're hugely helpful if you can't sleep yeah but I see I like sound machines yeah it's nice all right by the way speaking of sound machines yeah so there's this composer Mack Rick Max Richter okay and he made a whole CD or album for download called sleep yeah and it's music to play while you're sleeping no it's cool and it's not like ambience but it's like song it's not it's actual yeah there are no songs an elegant I need like constantly I hate noise exactly oh the ocean will be back next time thanks again soon
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