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all right what's up everybody thank you for tuning into the 404 show it's Friday May 27th you're excited cuz you're on your way to the beach I'm wearing shorts Jeff are you really yep oh look at that seersucker Shore skin you're on the way to the boardwalk or the beach or if you live in a landlocked state your head in the lake where people swim and probably get their shitty drinking water from but you're also listening to mr. Justin use bad Justin epic new what's up what's up everyone it's good to hear you thank you it's good to hear your voice you sound well you guys - it's good to see you guys I know it's always a very special pleasure of ours when you're here because look you know people love it and they're like do I go what's doable it's Justin's deal I get people call me like hey man why can't you just like force him why do stuff yeah Oh subreddit yeah there's some really nice messages in the subway appreciate all you guys for sure so anyway you're loved by all and thanks for being here we appreciate it I know it's the Friday before a holiday and that's usually a day where people give really no shits whatsoever yeah and you're giving a for us and I appreciate all right you guys do anything this weekend are we going to yeah you guys going anywhere I actually have my bachelor party this weekend yeah which Jeff can't attend yeah because I'm gonna be in Virginia all weekend which sounds like way more fun than what I'm doing which is paintball why why we gotta go and talk about that like it's yeah wait you're playing paintball this weekend oh no okay your plane or your bachelor party yes yes yeah among other things yeah okay what else yeah where are you going no just in general where for paintball yeah somewhere in Long Island I don't actually know any okay sure can I take Jeff spot yes welcome all right as long as someone makes a fiasco we got a lot to talk about today but we're gonna get right into it there's a lot of stuff that's been on my mind really important stuff yeah so maybe we'll like save that for a little later a longer kind of thing okay so I once talked about a little bit of like gaming stuff okay real quick cuz I just want to get this out there of course when Justin's here we're gonna talk about video games be it wouldn't be a 440 yeah so so listen to this let me tell you what the what these guys are doing so both Sony and Microsoft all right you know Xbox one and PlayStation 4 yeah those came out like three years right yeah I'm familiar forget this dude both of them are gonna be releasing like integral sort of update machines okay like so basically like an iPad air - yeah like a you know enemy yeah well but it's not it's like a equivalent of like an expo xbox one point five and a playstation 4.5 right so it's not a full new console it's in the middle it's in the middle it's like a step up but it's an actual hardware yes okay and like they're more powerful they're better on paper better machines what are you think of that but if you already own the Xbox one or the ps4 then you probably don't need to upgrade right so that's a thing right so like for PlayStation they're calling its codename neo as in Keanu Reeves and that thing is going to have games that played on it look better mm-hmm and maybe perform a little better maybe but they're not gonna be any different hmm so like basically they're saying like hey we're gonna make sure all the PlayStation 4 games work yeah on anything you play always that's what I mean again this is all theory nothing's been officially announced but the that's what they're saying whether that actually ends up being true is another question I don't know it's interesting do you feel like it it feels greedy or a bad move for them I feel like with at least when they do that with iPhones that's a big point the people don't like that too much because they're expecting more of more features but they're also doing that annually yeah right that's true like this has been for you I'm in it's been four years it's been four years no hasn't it's been it's 2013 is when they came out really yeah okay three years better jacked for bullet it's jacked if you expect a console lifecycle to be as long as it has been in the past I don't think it's 2013 really look it up what is this because a lot of the technology for the games that are coming out in alligator or something just aren't supported by ps4 because that wasn't around when that console came out cool whoever says this guy doesn't know his yeah well it's exactly right that's right yeah cuz you know what Xbox doesn't have a VR answer the way PlayStation does PlayStation is having a VR thing so they're like the bed oh my god what do we do we can't compete so they're basically the rumor is that they're going after oculus yeah and they're like hey oculus look look at this SuperDuper Xbox 1.5 that we got in the hopper then caught the call its codename Scorpio yeah and neo and scorpion so that's so stupid like who is who is in charge of the Mandarin yeah right I was like dolphin that's so they're like hey oculus you know wouldn't you guys like to have more oculus is out there wouldn't you like to sell a couple million more rifts then maybe you will right now we're like people need to own a super duper gaming PC to have one of the what if this new Xbox one also played nice with the ah yes so there try it the rumors are that Microsoft is courting oculus and saying hey let's get into bed together and work on a partnership we go after psvr and all that stuff who do you think came first in terms of pushing this idea well I don't know how polite what oh who do you think came first in terms of pushing the idea of doing this like mid that's a good question so like who called who so this is my my interpretation of it is Sony doing so well in this generation also saw that okay we have this PlayStation VR coming out if you play games on the PlayStation VR well some of them look cool they essentially are like ps2 or ps3 generation graphics because it has to run twice at a certain frame rate for it not to look terrible and not to make people nauseous so the current system as it exists the PlayStation can just barely get VR going it works there are games that work and they look okay but it's not like in the way that you play a vibe game it looks amazing right it's not that so I kind of feel like this a lot of this is like well we need a VR our experience that like looks comparable for sure to there and also I would say like seeing games like no man's sky and stuff like that you're starting to really push up against the power of the PlayStation 4 and that might be part of the reason might be delayed but um demand sky which is currently the rumor so this is like I think they ran into a lot of hardware issues and then the second that Microsoft heard that Sony was doing this so like we have no choice because if we let them go they're off to the right they're already ahead they're off to the races it's not even a competition that's what's crazy is like man you know so much leaks out right or you're we get a lot of stuff more so than ever I feel like yeah where things are almost guaranteed to leak out yeah but I think that's just the tip of the iceberg oh I'm sure we're you know and hopefully in a couple weeks I'm actually like all of a sudden now kind of excited about e3 cuz it's like there's I don't think they're gonna announce yeah I think they will here's the property you're gonna touch on it they have to here's the problem with announcing that stuff is the second they announced it their sales take a big hit of course and that's also you know they're also talking about releasing like a slim Xbox one which is always the freaking case yeah I don't know it we'll see how it all shakes out I don't want spend too much time on that stuff it just like Justin's here it's super interesting but yeah good stuff that's what's that so let's okay so let's get into like some some drama okay so my journalism free speech open media drama that panned out that this story has not been getting the mainstream attention than I thought it was it's got an Internet attention sure but like only in I don't know New York Times covered it yeah pretty extensively I think it's getting the story's been happening it's been going on for like three years now for four years I think that tape came out in like 2012 right right yeah but so there's a new generation cycle yeah so talk about this Gosselaar the whole thing sure so Gawker very top line so Hulk Hogan sued Gawker because of the sex tape and Gawker published it and that's somehow pause on that you haven't seen that I have no idea like that yeah that does not first of all he makes several mentions of the Mane's of the woman's wife the I'm sorry the husband of the woman that he's correct no he's in the room next door okay yes shopping for auto parts on his computer because you're gonna hear him talking about it through the wall dad and this guy's name is Bubba the Love Sponge yeah he changed legally changed it because he's on the radio right ready changed it to Bubba the Love Sponge yes so that name gets mentioned a few times in coitus which is hilarious but the best part about that video is about halfway through cuz it's a long one - he does a good job halfway through he starts talking about how fat he feels because he just finished a huge sushi dinner I can't believe I just ate like a pig just two hours ago you don't hang a platter of sushi he talks about how he ate an entire party platter full of is that like a boar thing like people like eating yeah it's so yeah that's such a weird day off with vomit yeah we should say this is not really what we were looking to talk about so anyway this this trial happens in a pretty hostile environment it was in Hulk Hogan's essentially his neighborhood where the trial was held and wait one last thing about the sex tape the best part is that you could see Hulk Hogan's speedo ten like really very clearly you could always see that yeah yeah that was kind of there I remember there was a match where like he's been in that coffin for a while yeah Gawker loses this case it's in you know essentially against them and I believe were charged with paying 150 million dollars in damages which is a staggering amount of money for a meet internet media company for an idiot yeah I mean it's a it would be enough to pay that amount it be enough to seriously basically distribute them out of his daughter so recently in this last week it came out that Peter Thiel isn't teal or peel um he spelled Theo a Mia might be pronounced differently but it's spelled feel now explain his background so he is a hedge fund manager entrepreneur cetera he invested $500,000 in Facebook very early on and as you can imagine is worth a little bit more than five thousand dollars today quite a bit more so he's his net worth is 2.8 billion dollars according to Forbes so is he the one curating Facebook stories no he doesn't work for Facebook he he founded PayPal so he founded a thing called the founders fund which again is an investment company and but going back in I believe it was 2007 Gawker published a story which essentially outed him as gay the whole I mean litter deal because out it is gay soon this Gawker story okay it was sort of as the story is written it's sort of like an open secret within Silicon Valley but he certainly wasn't publicly out until this story came out now again it's worth noting that like there is including the Hulk Hogan thing included a sizable chunk of quasi ethical you know things that unethical things that yes soccer has posted and written about right so I mean how you feel about it right that they are in in in many circles considered to be unethical well they the crux the crux of the case was that Gawker is like doing damaging not newsworthy work to individuals that don't deserve it essentially and and just I would say it was probably a year ago someone in New York City was outed he was like a CFO of a company it was like a really heartbreaking a really very sad story and Gawker actually I believe retracted it or published apology or something like that so they have there's certainly been stories they pissed they also do good work but like they have a reputation especially Gawker prime and so this is all stuff to keep in the back your mind when you learn that Peter Thiel again ten years ago he was outed it turns out that he has secretly been funding Hulk Hogan's case against Gawker I believe gave them ten million dollars to invite them to fight to pay for the legal fees in Gawker's case no that's that's scandalous but not illegal right yeah a legal fees all the time you're completely right so the ACLU it exists to pay people's legal fees to fight for things that they believe in obviously it's just an interesting story because this isn't an individual it's not an organization and it obviously brings up the idea of like okay so in this case people could say sure you know he was wronged by Gawker by being outed and this is his way of sort of getting back at them and but what to say it's a case whatever a case of super racist people and a super racist guy comes out and supports their legal you know what I mean but these are like the the the it sort of to make yeah is that and then the takeaway and the thing that people are all really kind of upset about yeah is the fact that like this is a situation where someone of great wealth right can directly sort of manhandle a a media company that they may or may not disagree with right through these sort of like back-channel means or an individual I mean that's your right so it's whether it's a company or an individual and this is not news but anyone with a lot of money has major has a major advantage and the legal system just because they can hire the best lawyers and they could string out cases for years and years and years and this is but this is such a crazy example of that because it is as you said could potentially destroy a media company and this is one guy throwing his financial might behind it and it's like 10 million dollars out of 2.8 billion dollars is like nothing drop in this bucket like he would I'm sure spend way more happen on a weekend it's like what else are you gonna spend some money I guess so we're like so what does it all mean right like yeah and I said it like them as a bitch yeah yeah I guess so but what is it like cuz cuz you understand what we're saying right like does that give anyone the right to totally go after and essentially and threaten the the livelihood of a corporation because they don't agree with something I mean I understood like it's also not right for anybody to get outed before they're ready to come out themselves yes yeah but like you have to also think about like you know free speech and Free Press and but but according to the law of speech is money like money that's why this is the United thing and and you know all the campaign finance stuff is so hard to stop right it's because the law says that you can you have the freedom to get your opinion out there or to give your money to other people to get your opinion out there that's legally fine so what so what how do you think this changes the game like I think it all it does is is highlight how potentially unfair things are and again I'm not saying that I mean this isn't that's currently in the system that's currently in place and I'm not saying that this is an issue where like like I agree with Justin that he was wrong so like he should not have been outed in the piece and you know but I think most people would agree with like oh you shouldn't just ruin someone's life right regardless of what the information is like I'm not saying someone coming out of the closet would ruin someone's life but like it's their Chow if there's something in the public interest right if you're if you're running for president and you're campaigning against gay rights and it turns out you're gay that's in the public interests people should only but like for unsolicited sort of like gotcha rights just like the way they did to the Hearst CEO guy yes such a fucked-up story like I couldn't believe what they did to this poor guy yeah but then people don't talk about how celebrities get you know no they'll get lies printed about that magazine I think it's just because in this case Peter Thiel isn't hasn't deserved it in our eyes because he's not a celebrity and that's another sort of element to the whole equation right where you know the argument by the team's use of the world is like well they're public figures yeah you know like they are a notable person and I also think those publications would say that if you're reading it on TMZ or the National Enquirer then there's maybe some assumption that the reader thinks that you know maybe this story isn't a hundred percent fact check right where it's like not the most sourced and right exactly whereas dis Gawker have that kind of reputation I'm not sure I feel like people read Gawker and just believe what I'll tell you what people can read TMZ like that yeah I know might be giving people too much credit i I have this weird kind of relationship with TMZ I don't read it only like ever maybe three times a year I find I wind up on Asscher TMZ site and but the vibe I get from them is that like yet actually do you really do a lot of research and like kind of back stuff up and get source stuff like I don't know the stuff I've seen where it's like I mean they're not doing bat boy stories that's I'm saying like they're not they're obviously a tabloid but they're not like a sensational they are they are yeah do you understand what I'm saying we're like they they source stuff more than I thought they would I mean I would say they source stuff as much as Us Weekly does which is just like a friend of the star said okay fine fine fine I'll I'll bet all backpedal a little bit and I'll just say like man they break a lot of well but okay but this a break Sherlock I think the reason that you find yourself on TMZ is I would agree with you maybe two or three times a year they have this crazy stat there was a story about mean they broke prints done right don't Michael Jackson sure I think they did they break a lot I would say I don't think they're exclusively known for that stuff but you're right they do have such a massive network of like investigative spiders my spider exactly who the 30-mile zone so it yeah I agree with you I don't know we've gotten kind of out track with TMZ but we have it's it's an interesting story and I think it's interesting oh it does this is bring to light how much power someone could potentially have over a legal system and I think the other big thing to that's super important that people need to understand as what kind of fallout this causes is like yeah right fine so nothing maybe changes on the surface but think about it like now there's this quasi precedent that's been set where maybe a free press corporations not as aggressively pursuing something that maybe they should be over fear of retaliation where you know they would not be doing that great kind of journalism going after somebody or not maybe going after somebody but going after a story that they would be they would be fearful that some entity could come back and put them out of it yeah it's weird though cuz like again it's clear that Gawker did not do due diligence from a story perspective specifically Peter like I read the pier Theo outing story and like it was not like a well researched or thoughtful piece I mean but was like that guy's gay know the core of the story ironically enough was about how the the VC world which is not based in Silicon Valley it's in Menlo Park and is is very against or at the time was against was very homophobic well that's like Harry so that was the crux of the story was that like it's ridiculous that all these guys which are like they described them as like a jockey Freddy kind of crew cuz essentially their investment bankers were not really giving proper attention to you know gays and and what-have-you were having a difficult a more difficult time getting stuff funded there and he was gay he was presented as an example of like hey this guy who is let's face it gay yeah is found as starting his own investment firm and so it's sort of a next generation so it wasn't even like a like screw this guy he's gay Dori it was like a side it was a story I mean the but the headline of story was like let's face it Peter fuels gay oh so like alright well look it's it's I would not be proud if I was attached to that story and again Gawker's done some good work too it's just it's it's a very complicated and interesting I find it super interesting but I would also say like it is also on the it's the burden on the media to ensure that due diligence has happened in the sense that like this needs to be in the public interest this needs to have a purpose beyond ruining someone's life or what ever and so if you're looking to go the easy route SP nation I've worked for Vox media SB Nation a few months ago had it very similar issue where a post was put up and not well researched and and and really up but came out and I could white and and the post was taken down and and SB Nation apologized then the guy was fired and you know I think it's important to hold media to those high standards but also know that like someone could stop in there and really muck up someone's story if they really want to yeah it's interesting do you think Gawker will be a website after this whole a lawsuit is over the rumor is they're looking to sell yeah that's what it doesn't surprise me yeah obviously that would make sense so so if they sold how does that play out do they stay afloat I mean they could sell individual verticals potentially and make enough money to sort of support themselves that way the issue I think for a lot of people is that the brand is pretty tainted right but there's also a huge audience for that kind of content and and the reason they've developed such a huge audience is because their standards for what they would and would not publish were different than a lot of other media companies yeah so love it or hate it it's popular yeah alright that was that was a good that was a good talk yeah that wasn't that was educational and insightful and a peek into the shadowy world of online journalism yeah and Hulk Hogan's Underpants is what that was in sushi meal and sushi how did they find out that Peter Thiel was behind it so there was a rumor initially oh so there was like rumors that he there was some secret funding cuz that you know you know the lawyers at Hulk Hogan is is bringing in you know how much they cost you know how much he's worth he probably couldn't afford himself so there has to be some sort of funding Nick Denton actually said before it officially came out Nick Denton said like you know I'm very suspicious that he owns Gawker I'm very suspicious that there's someone behind the scenes pulling the strings I don't know for sure at that time he knew who was he didn't come and say like this guy's getting help right well he said he's yeah he said this guy's getting help he didn't say oh it's Peter Thiel right whether he knew or not is up in the air Oh obviously he's like how many people but so yeah they knew and then and then so the story was bouncing around and then he a field just came out and admitted it he was like yep it's me yeah that takes a lot of balls to just come and be like yeah it was me well I mean I think yeah it's interesting it does but you know if you have 2.8 billion dollars I don't think he's worried about balls or not you know what like why do we put billionaires in this category of what of like god no it's not that it's it's that he at a certain point you stop looking you start looking at the world I think in a very different light I understand like a human light I think it's been painfully obvious especially as of late yeah that like we idolize people with so much money I wouldn't I mean idolize sometimes in a negative and a positive light I guess so like my evil mortgage Corelli obviously not well-received sure but like you know just look at the people who have like so much money they essentially transcend reality yeah do you know what I mean yeah and I just like not all of them are smart not all of them are good sure you look at like some investors who've made billions is like all right yeah you know maybe you just got right place right time and that's that yeah I don't know I just think like we really just worshipped that kind of mentality more than maybe we should yeah we don't even ask questions we're just like oh that guy's worth eight billion dollars so he knows what's up there's the Elon Musk's of the world where it's like no he's important we need him right and there's some other jackasses around was like no F that guy you know that guy's bad but and then you look at like Warren Buffett who like lives in a small house in the middle of the Midwest and it's worth billions upon billions of dollars and clearly is a very smart investor very successful but like generally the way he comports himself is like a very professional like pretty thoughtful right guy so it kind of I would I wouldn't paint it with a broad brush I think the billionaires there I'm sure there are a lot of billionaires that like you don't hear about because they're not cool also assholes or we're pulling the strings but you know and then there's boat you know Bill Gates does nice stuff with his money oh I'm not again not trying to paint with these broad strokes like you said but there are you know it's it's it's I think everyone just needs to like vet it a little more think yeah yeah be better when we make our first billion well let me see what do you mean when you check this weekend ok let's talk about this Tesla thing you're bringing up ok yeah so I was I wrote this story when it first broke earlier this week but we didn't actually publish it on CNET because we weren't sure whether or not this video that surfaced was actually real ok and so I wanted to show you guys to see what you think because it's kind of an interesting story but so you wrote the whole story I wrote the whole story and then some other editors that work in our car vertical looked at it and was like ya know this could be faked ok because there's a tech angle behind it so earlier I think I was on Tuesday there was a gift that was posted to Reddit of a driver behind the wheel of a Tesla Model S and that's rich version as that is the more expensive ok yeah driving behind the wheel of a Tesla Model S sleeping sure letting the autopilot feature do the driving for him yeah down the freeway kind of like in not stop and go not completely stop traffic but pretty slow ok so it's not like he's zooming down the freeway at 60 miles stop and go traffic it's pretty slow yeah and this guy is just in the front seat mouth open totally sleeping so how do you prove whether this is fake or not well ok so the way that specimens work is that there's this dashboard that giant dashboard that's in front of you all the time while you're driving right and Elon Musk actually 2 years ago said himself that nobody should be falling asleep behind the wheel of a Tesla because it's not fully autonomous yet a lot of times it'll take into consideration you know certain cars around you but it won't read signs sure so if you need to make an exit or something like that you got to be aware and they recommend you always actually keep one hand on the wheel yeah now if a lot of times they'll also need your approval to do things like change lanes or things like that though there's human interaction with the dashboard and if it prompts you for a question and you don't answer it then it'll start beeping okay and that's to assume yeah you're asleep you're asleep and it needs to wake you up now people are claiming this video is fake because the sound emitted is loud enough to where somebody would wake up so unless this guy was straight-up passed out or something like that or dead he could be doing like a burny but most people just think that it might be fake and definitely not on behalf of Tesla because although it might seem like it would be the greatest marketing stunt of all time I don't think they'd ever actually put their their commercials behind that yeah I was listening to a podcast the other day at least you guys are talking about the autonomous autopilot feature oh yeah Tesla and I forget the context but when I was like music man have you ever taken your hands off the wheel on a Tesla yeah they say like the fact that like you need to try it you know anymore it's like you have I give us that cool i given live you haven't seen the future sure and apparently and he was going on about like yeah that thing could basically drive yeah get in the back seat yeah it looks in this traffic that he's in it looks like he's not changing lanes this looks like very it looks like manageable traffic simple counters right sure yeah but there's been a lot of stories recently about Tesla's actually crashing so it's a it's a real possibility that this guy is putting other people in the freeway in danger sure maybe not at a high speed rate but you know it's possible for him to get into a fender bender actually later on in the week there was a rack xual real story that was published actually I wanted to show you guys this gift of so this shows a sort of a dashcam of a Tesla crashing into the back of a car because on the freeway this car has stopped in an emergency in front of him now the Tesla was actually tracking this other station wagon that you see pass around the front of the car that's parked in front of him and so it didn't see that van in front of the car that it was tracking that's one problem with autonomous vehicles where you actually need human foresight to most of you ahead of what you're the cars works I mean weird that it did not recognize it should like that to me is like know that something that is not totally uncommon right right people are idiots and cars die all the time right and they stop in the middle of everywhere and you just got to be you know you're having your head on a swivel I'm surprised to test we're not really there yet I think everyone kind of jumped to this idea I was like oh my god we've been waiting for so long you know we can you know pull our Jetsons and just shave in the car but that's really not what's happening yet I'm with you we're not there yet but at the same time autonomous cars have tens of millions of miles already driven for sure and the in the more and like the death is rate as zero right there the Google car has at Gao accidents one was human intervals right one was a 2 mile an hour fender bender right okay yeah you know oh I trust robots way more than human yes I read that way for a lot of autonomous cars the problem is um since other drivers human drivers you know that those cars will be sort of giving leeway humans they'll actually take advantage of knowing they'll always get the right-of-way so funny and that's another thing like I don't think there's gonna be like this transitional time we're like half the cars in the world are autonomous and half are human like how could that be a thing uh yeah that'll happen yeah sure I mean aren't we like halfway there now uh I don't know I think we're so a lot of cars now like my dad just got a new caddy and it's like it's a lot of these cars are like all about accident prevention sure not autonomous driving but accident prevention where it's like hit the seat will vibrate if you yeah veer out of lane yeah stuff like that I you're right we're not there yet in the sense that like this will all get held up by like legislation right like we the technology is here where the cars are really smart and they do a lot of amazing autonomous stuff but like you're gonna need to have a world where the entire Department of Transportation and the infrastructure built within that needs to be updated to support robots do you know any me yeah laughs and that and that's a place where we're not at yet I mean that's something that's gonna take for ever right forever you know I think I think the idea of like people being on highways and it being relatively relatively autonomous is not that far off from like cruise control yeah okay fine highways you yeah I'm not fine I'll give you a highway so what you're saying is but that's not like fir actually autonomous like you never would never have to touch anything you're carving right in there that I mean I think there'll be time in the future well maybe we'll have a lane on the freeway that's only for autonomous cars yeah I've heard that it won't be like a street right aren't there like the Google cars do that so like they do that right now what Google cars can essentially drive themselves I believe so go bike but again like only being tested in certain cities there's not a lot of transparency like you read the headlines where check this Google car saved a kitten they are like wow you know there's not enough of a report out anywhere like you get these data points and you get these other things but like right I really understand it but you know that the idea of like it's definitely gonna happen where there's gonna be humans and autonomous cars yeah because let's say like eventually you agree that there's gonna be a moment where there are autonomous cars they're not gonna take it's like good taking guns away from people in America they're not gonna take like your dad's Chevy away from him he's a caddy whatever same diff that's a big deal you you're not allowed to drive a car anymore right do you think they'll be like this grandfather thing we're like yes you fine you want to keep driving that an analog death machine you know for and there's an attacks or whatever on up with like having full control over your car imagine you got to pay more you want a driver's license that's that's a thousand bucks yeah fine with me save it for the video good I'm fine with that don't you want to keep driving oh no no I'm fine with charging people if it gets to the point where autonomous driving prevents 99.9% of accidents behind them it's ready it's yes so it'll happen so anyone that doesn't want to do that should be charged some sort of government right yeah yeah I guess and if you get into an accident then you're 100% liable Briana well yeah well that's Robo insurance there's gonna be rolling chance in the future did you guys speaking of Google cars did you guys read that story about I think it was in Philadelphia there was a Google Maps car with the stickers on the side like her backers posted on the side that actually was exposed as an undercover cop undercover police officers are using Google map marked cars that's funny as smart covers smart I mean you see that in this video all the time all right well because you would you you don't pay the attention you pay to the Google Maps car is now well it depends on what neighborhood your head let's say you're dealing drugs and you see a Google Maps car kind of like show on the corner selling drugs are you gonna maybe wait for now I didn't have that camera turret on top of it yeah yeah which kind of would seem more I need back but a little bit because just show me like oh yeah it's not like the vinyl wrap that though not even that good and Google came out was like this is not okay not in partnership with you guys yeah it's actually a Frenchman yeah although one time when I was in the city so everyone knows oh well maybe not everyone but if you come to New York a lot of times the yellow cab that you see will actually be cop cars and cover and sometimes you'll just see a yellow cab and all of a sudden the lights will go off inside the car where the siren it's not the Cash Cab no it's police you're under here under arrest but they also one time when I was walking with my friend I saw an uber car with the placard inside you know how they have it on the dashboard right underneath the windshield I saw an uber car also have those flashing lights internally so they're definitely using that too and I googled it no stories have covered the uber Undercovers so watch out but that you break that once you break that yeah I didn't get a video of it or moto really understanding like how is that better than just being a normal car like why do you need the Google icon is like what does that connect I think cuz it's it's ok for a car like that to just be idle on the street you know if you saw an uber car park somewhere okay that's fine I could show okay while he's waiting for a picture yeah that's that's funny but it depends on what neighborhood you're in if you're in a Google car in a bad neighborhood and maybe people will be like this guy yeah that's pretty good so I got I got to a conversation with uh with Vinny from Giant Bomb I don't know how this happened and it's definitely making a left turn here but like you have some weird conversation with people in the office by the way oh I walked into the kitchen the other day and we had like a 20-minute conversation that I had jumped into you guys were already talking about this yeah about fart about farts yeah in the office well yeah that's the thing who was well everyone can relate in the kitchen gives fart theory it was fart theory okay trying to identify farts based on smell no no nothing like that was more like the the science a little bit okay I like understanding digest is really here you know it wasn't like a it wasn't like a kindergarten conversation okay there were moments theorem oh okay all right so what conversation were you having this time and this is something that I think about a lot and I've never we've never vocalized it it's the whole like kiss on the cheek hug or a handshake thing okay so so Vinny from Johnny bond was like ask me as like so when when do you go in for the kiss on the cheek because we've been having a thing on that show where like we we send out a kiss on the cheek through the airwaves of the podcast that's very nice like a kiss on the cheek okay okay looks nice but in reality like where do you draw the line when does that happen so then we were like creating scenarios with each other where it's like okay you are at a bar yeah and a friend of yours brings their significant other and how long how long have you known them that's the thing like how long have you known the friend right how what kind of night did you have at the bar with the with the significant other wasn't like what was okay nice because all that pleased all that you know please into the calculate no variables involved setting that stuff up I would say and it's the first time I'm meeting the significant other and and it's a female yeah I'm gonna say just for easy so the first time I meet them handshake at the beginning of the night right hey hi hey nice to meet you Ross how are you Danya end of the night assuming things went normally not even like gangbusters great or not hook hook okay so I think his logic is like a real road bike that's down the road I think yeah chic I've done kisses on the cheek on the first meeting whoa Wow yeah but were you in Miami but they're contextual yeah the kiss on the cheek only shows up if it was like such a fabulous first impression we're like the night is great and we were laughing and everyone's getting I mean that's Oh at all I would if I yeah I don't know man that's one we're talking about one kiss on the cheek not like a double double would almost be best cuz it's like a double is like an accepted greeting yes that's like computers kissing a Greek person I'm gonna be honest with you yeah I think it's contextual I think like I don't keep that you can you can escalate to that level and and and I've had it reciprocated not like where it's like oh I didn't wasn't expecting a kiss on the cheek but like where someone reciprocate and it's like a mutual kiss on cheek and it's like a WoW okay so do you actually put lips to cheat or are you kissing great point and if your cheek kissing do you make that mwah right great point there are many subtle levels there are and what do those mean because sometimes it's just like hey let's touch ears yes like that we're like you're touching perfect greeting but sometimes it's also like let's touch cheeks but not kiss and then sometimes it's like oh I want to lay a fat one on your cheek cuz you're like my that's gotta be a really you know really good yeah real old friend and I haven't seen in a while I love you that kind of thing do you so let me ask you another thing do you any of your friends your male friends kiss you on the cheek no no see I have that a lot I met your friends nothing's wrong with that though actually I find it in dear that's vegetable yeah like kind of like a Goodfellas thing they do that in Goodfellas don't say I'm not gonna like directly related equate it to like a mob yeah but there are a few a is when you do it though hey I'm sure the reason you're not I don't think your blood brother is with these people now I think a lot of it too is like so like all my friends dads yeah like if I see my friend's dad I haven't seen them while gives you kiss on the cheek what yeah that's not what I want say weird cuz culture and all that stuff but like that is not an experience I am familiar with yeah I have friends under the right circumstances yeah a wedding okay where it's like a so age it's gonna escalate it's like my friend yes note on the not on the lips but of real she kiss real cheek guys yeah on the on the cheek you guys look like the two worst dudes to kiss on the cheek you guys that well that scruff on there a little course we could start it up is that what this whole conversation is about you just wanting to us us to kiss you on the cheek nudity not only that I know I'm not trying to like bring the kisses on the cheek back yeah I'm not trying to do that do you think it's an so it's a generational thing I don't know what it is I just find it fascinating cuz like Vinny was saying he's like so yeah who do you kiss on the cheek yeah cuz like kissing on the cheek like I said it's become kind of a joke on that show mm-hmm and I was like yeah there are a very specific set of rules that I internally have for that that they are on autopilot they get activated by themselves I don't I don't go into a hug with someone I'm gonna kiss this bouquet here's my question it's kind of a dumb question but right or left do you go to your left it's to the right the person I'm hugging they aren't on my right like their head will be embraced okay right okay so follow-up question disaster scenario you're both thinking the same thing no that's that yeah never happens if you're both thinking right shoulder you'll go in just fine okay but let's say she kiss at the same time right then you go you fail turn the same tour facing each other okay I have a couple yeah sure it happens every now that okay well usually does like that thing quickly corrected okay where it's like up round check where no problem right yeah easy good okay sometimes it gets awkward you just have to make out right like actually going for it look we're this far tongue yeah I find that my girlfriend really really enjoys watching me either hey I like see someone for the first time that I haven't seen in a while or meet somebody that had never met before because for some reason she gets a kick out of dudes deciding whether or not to handshake high-five or like cool guy Hinch okay cool cool guy hug yeah which is like the arm in between I'm hugging you but I'm hitting you yeah yeah I got another one for you that happened to me not this morning yeah okay yeah awkward handshake so here's situation so I've been going to dermatologists a lot lately yep the guy as you may know and I had a little follow-up today and woman's very nice very nice woman this is that there dermatologist yeah guys woman and we know each other by now I've seen her like almost eight to ten times Cheryl last couple months uh and we you know we ended the meeting today and she kind of like she kind of like put her hand up for a high five yeah shake well Jeff is great seeing you I'm like YouTube you're cool like you hugged before no never like any kind of McConaughey that's the handshake handshake yeah so she like put her hand up for like hey it's Friday Simon you know that kinda yeah yeah and I was just like I was like oh okay sorry I slapped it sure but then I still like shook her head right effort yeah this is like yeah we're doing the high-five because it's like Memorial Day weekend yeah like alright let's get out of here okay move professional yeah you ever shake somebody's hand when they weren't offering it to you before with somebody in the office that tell you who it is after the show's over this person came up to me one time when I was sitting at the desk I was at before yeah and I think he wanted printer advice and he came up to me was like hey what's up how's it going and like just went like like kind of just made a gesture with your hand like this but it to me it looked like he was offering his hand sure so I just grabbed it hey I just grabbed it was like kind of sugars like hey what's up bit and then you could tell I knew immediately that it wasn't these because he was like oh thank you it's like oh oh oh oh thank you very much every cut it's like shook for a second but I was like no this is way too formal for what you're trying to ask me and I was embarrassed and from then from then on whenever I watch like a like a late-night talk show or an interview on TV I'm always like that's on a handshake alright I gotta I gotta watch out for that now cuz it's my first instinct it's just it's not leave somebody hanging you don't want to get caught up in it we've always we've all been there before yeah I hate to put someone in that position so I got a watch out to do it prematurely and then like the handshake that goes on for too long yeah yesterday Oh what is wrong with those feet with a guy in here and he was like I'm like we're going up and down I'm like we gonna are we going out together yeah when you have to throw their hand down at the bottom of now that they're talking about cheek kissing when I was dating and this is again many years ago probably six seven years ago when I was dating at the end of a particularly good date of someone that I could see myself dating for a longer period of time um I do this move which is you know we're getting to the point where we're gonna say goodbye whatever I'd do this I'd point to my cheek in like a when Tommy yeah and it was always well received okay get the kiss because it's like it gets rid of the pressure of like oh we're gonna maybe kiss now that's too fast for some people they don't want to kiss on the first date and so this is like it's kind of my part what can I say and on their part you know it kind of gives them all the power even though it's an alpha move on my part do you do say anything do you vocalize the little mumble I posed like look away yes never complete sin it's like hey kiss me on the cheek right now yeah I don't miss that's good that's a great tip for every single yeah if you're single out there give it a shot it shows that you're very polite works for women too I think I would love that yeah it was like hey I think for a lot of it it's like the you can't really go wrong with the hug with the friendly hug yeah especially of you know when it's the situation allows it I think most situations allow the buddy hug I would say unlike unless it's the very first time you're meeting someone and we're in in which case a hug is weird even again meeting that unless it's like unless it's like your best friend's wife that you've ever met fine fine oh I'm kissing that person I mean never to bring pee around kissing my girl I've given her hug I'm not sure I've given her the kiss on the cheek lips do so I know where we're going I'm just saying it's a thing it's a thing that I think about creepy that you're planning this all out to well obviously I'm not doing it perhaps maybe making mental notes about it occurred to me like oh no not only do I have like a very specific set of rules for that but it's like yeah I can tell you yeah maybe I kiss more than I should do you guys have any friends that are uncomfortable with physical contact even with friends mm-hmm I have one friend who and I always forget that she's like this but she I could tell she kind of like tenses up every time I was expecting it so I always like kind of come in and then like oh wait sorry it's very awkward yeah I don't know people like now I've seen it I don't know them I don't know a lot of people like that person ever then yeah I 5 yeah yeah we're like elbow bump gloved I have a male friend who refuses the bananas in public God he just pictures himself from the side corn yes so when Stacey and I were going out early on we were friends with this other couple and the girl in the couple would always give me the kiss on the cheek to say goodbye was behind it was reciprocated and Stacey would kiss the guy too but like she would kiss too close to the mouth oh where oh it was basically always vertical you know what that reads as is like she was protesting a swap situation I don't know if we're gonna go that far I never bite into it I mean I even as the juvenile it's so much cheek area there's no reason you would ever get that close unless you intentionally were going that close I mean maybe she just wanted to get close maybe that was it Stacey always like kind of brushed it off but deep down I think it bothered she start getting closer to his man this is why you don't do that I don't know I always to me Italian and here's and here's another thing I do have a lot of time that hid my bed and here's the other thing okay you can never go wrong with turning a hug into the kiss like don't be scared to go for that hug i but then that hugs yeah like I'm not saying you're not gonna go into the hug chair and then come out with a kiss but maybe that hug whilst embracing will come anytime you could be like you know why it's risky because it's an it's a tacit agreement between the two people so what if you go in for a kiss and the other person doesn't kiss her on the cheek then you've just kissed a person on the cheek that's happened to me no no then maybe next time you'll get it back yeah you know me for me it's like not I'm just gonna hug this person yeah maybe maybe maybe like there are dozens of people who know me who are like oh this guy sucks Yeah right please stop already with me on the cheek yeah guy girl doesn't matter it's getting close to my mouth too intimate all right I want to know what you think eight six six four four seen it this is something everyone definitely has an opinion on yeah yeah so leave us a voicemail and the people you see on Memorial Day think about it right now don't think about it going into it cuz it a little you all up and then you might wind up kissing someone on the mouth you don't want to do that no for me well no you can get a disease from a kiss on the cheek right not that I'm aware of but I wasn't thinking about going down that ankle I feel like the only scientific way to do this is to kiss exclusively kiss everyone that you meet on the cheek and or exclusively don't do that oh yeah yeah I think you know also let the person lead you a little bit just like in dancing okay I can like say like oh maybe we'll see what how this person wants yeah you can let get in because I think the hug is by default you go in your hug maybe it's either way the worst of sorts that can happen with you and then you do one of these like and then kiss that see that would prompt the kiss yeah people that do that too the preamble to the hair because like if there's I like that there's drinks involved yeah bit a little looser yeah come on now point first hey keep those close friends yeah let me just say it tell everyone something give those close friends that peck on the cheek they'll appreciate if they're a close friend they'll appreciate especially for the key party a key party yet with that Jesus wait what you don't know what that is no I've never heard of a key party where everyone like puts their keys in a bowl oh oh no one's ever been to that that's just like though yeah it happened yeah in the 70s man why we need them bring it all back that's gonna do it for us guys thanks so much for tuning in hope you had fun today always fun with Justin you follow them on twitter at malice Brutus and read all the stuff on the C net yeah because I know you like doing that that's right rock and roll all right we're back next week and that will be on I'll have two more shows before e3 so all is not lost just yet indeed are we pimping anything this week Russ I just reviewed over watch something interest I believe it was an 8 nice out of 10 I agree with that number okay good job go ahead right there's also a bunch of words that support interests come on people only care about that score yeah so you can check that out on polygon I've been doing a lot of live streaming on polygons Facebook page if you want to check that out just streams a terrible TMNT game and yeah that's it's a top one alright cool we're gonna be doing a lot of Facebook live stuff if you haven't already noticed on CNET I'm gonna be dipping my toes into that next week so there's something to look forward to there if you forgot what I look like anything else Justin I think that's gonna do it thanks for having me guys it's fun our pleasure as always eight six six four four Cena shoot us an email the 404 at cnn.com thank you to Nick from LA who sent us the spectating video game voice mail didn't have time for that today but thank you for sending that serve always appreciate the interaction check out the subreddit as well red comm slash are slash to 404 or back next week on till then I'm Jeff Bakalar I'm Ross rustic and I'm Justin you this has been the 404 show thank you so much for tuning in see you next time you