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hey everyone welcome to the 404 show on this friday may 15 this week is a very important week in television the up fronts were here in Manhattan to join me today discussing the up fronts two very special people from tvguide.com first across the table Robyn Ross is here thank you for being here Robyn Ross thanks for having me again uh you are a special projects editor I am and I'm just gonna leave it at that am I left for the first time ever Adam Bryant thank you for being here sir thanks for having me it's pleasure executive editor I want everyone to know we've got top profile people this is the cream of the crop this is the top of the cake yes on the on the desert that is TV I expect that to be reflected in my check for this appearance don't worry about that you just check in with the cashier on your way out and that gets all sorted out so Robin Adam I don't pretend for a second I don't know anything about the way the television industry works which is mostly true sure what are up fronts this is a very important week in Manhattan for television just what the hell went on it sure um basically this week of the years when all the networks bring all their advertisers to big theaters in the city from Radio City Music Hall Carnegie Hall and they basically say here's all the great new shows we're gonna have for next year and why you should spend your advertising dollars on our network not with those other guys and so it's always it's antiquated process sort of part of the pilot season where people sort of look at the new shows but it's always the big coming-out party for what those new shows is going to be and over the years you know out people like us sort of come at it from a press perspective because we get to see the new trailers and stuff as well it helps us prepare editorially right so it really started as an advertiser thing but it's it's the first time we get to see and look at you know what what they've spent the last 3-4 months working on it those networks and the shows that are going to be on in the fall or mid season the next year so it's it's a it's a big exciting time because everybody wants to celebrate you know the new shows coming down the pipe it's so funny because you would think they'd want to separate those two things right and is the same thing goes with what I cover with video games right you know you have III which is like a gigantic Expo but it's mostly for buyers right right but then press comes so the same thing with up front you're like oh hey here is press and here are perspective at you know buyers they those two people probably want to talk to each other or maybe the buyers want to talk to thee to the press so how is there like a weird dichotomy at these things how does that work I mean we have so many precedents through the year that I don't feel like we're getting robbed out i mean it's it's not catered toward the press at all the press gets to come in and look and they get to go to some of the parties and talk to some of the talent right but it's really more of a dog and pony show for the advertisers and they really are just trying to say you know put your money up front with us because this these are the best shows actually gonna want your money you want to want you don't want your ads on these shows and so then really catered toward them you know a lot of the parties they see the advertisers also like taking pictures with stars of the show so it's really just sort of a fun cool thing that they're just basically trying to to lower those guys to open up their checkbooks right it's also a lot of the networks or all the networks present their numbers from you know the year that just passed and so they're either bragging or talking about you know how they're going to do things better and a lot of it is catered to there are numbers and advertising and and why they should spend and what worked and what didn't right it's a pissing contest right every single one of them at some point says we're number one and then you see the asteroid with like which demo day speaking specifically and so everybody's number one this year and they all rip on each other's well yeah that's kind of fun yeah Jimmy Kimmel always opens up for ABC and he does a whole sort of roast he also wrote his own network and his own president Paulie but then they'll have heard you know what happened at the other upfront and already have you no comments and make fun of the thing that NBC NBC did the day before that's so funny how every freaking industry is exactly the same yeah for example this year Bob Greenblatt who is the president or chairman of NBC he brought out Dolly Parton they're making a TV movie based on some of her songs from our lives and so she sang a song and then because she's relevant right but but maybe because Bob Greenblatt is like I'm not gonna opportunity again he then brought out a piano and played piano with Dolly Parton I saying I will always love you everything he's got and kind of standing ovation so you know even if he gets fired if NBC tail totally like to have that moment like I got a standing ovation at radio city music oh I think he took advantage I think it maybe was a smart move a smart move in the long run when he gets tanked yeah that is very strange just to be fair I don't think he's getting tanked anytime soon yeah he has really helped NBC they're there they're one of the ones that his number one again after being in the last place forever so you know they're doing they're doing okay uh in that respect so but it was it was quite a thing to see early Monday morning to kick off the week Dolly Parton singing with a broadcast chairman that's so strange I wouldn't know what to do I'd look around be like is this for real what's happening so how many did you get to go to were you at any so I did a lot of the cable ones that sort I mean the first one is going back to march is like Nickelodeon and i did ABC family and I did USA so I did a lot of the cable stuff leading up to it and then what what they have our new friends which you probably know about right that's the web stuff digital so I did a ton of of new friends and then when it came to broadcast the only one I did was the CW okay w's my jam so I couldn't miss it and what the freaking vampire diaries nine all the time it's just every day all the time what do you how do you feel about we'll get back to that way I want to talk to Adam Ruger get back to because Adam was there as well and for the first time ever I think he might watch a CW show but we can come back to that but it's not for us let's be clear not for us VW show although it's created by one of the people behind the vampire diaries has no vampires it's the most adult looking drama they've ever put on it actually could be on ABC or another network and it looks really great well but will get it's called containment will come to back at me okay we'll circle back to containment it's not all vampires and romance it kind of was up until this container I'm not into they have a lot of superhero stuff the whole DC world is not my things yeah they're really like you know build in that universe and that's not made of it for me though and this is obviously you know industry outsider I look at network TV and I'm just like oh the show's look like garbage on network TV compared to like what I'm used to like I basically just watch Comedy Central in FX and I think FX puts out better stuff than anybody for the most part yeah I would agree with that although they've had a slightly suspect run lately yeah like stuff like maybe we don't renew married or tyrant or taco tell you what was that that was that was coming back at summer we'll see someone watched it maybe maybe it was a lack of resources on the bench I don't know so does so here's a question does the fox up front contain FX and FX access that we did this year sort of strangely for the first time FX has in tightened day in years past they've done their own this year they didn't and I don't know really why and they didn't sort of they don't do the whole presentation for effects but like in their opening sizzle reel they sort of focused on FX and FX X and National Geographic basically the sort of the broad umbrella that box networks now owns okay and so they sort of referenced them but they didn't mean the majority of the upfront was focused on Fox Network which is the big you know top of the top of the cash sheep I guess so there was some mention of FX but not a lot of drill down lies you would have gotten at a specific FX up front so I got a bone to pick with Fox um they announced the show called Minority Report oh yes and that's one of my favorite films in the last you know two decades and then I saw this trailer and I'm like man in 90 seconds they kind of ruined that movie for me but what do you do you have an opinion on this show it to me it just looks like you know one of those ugly sci-fi channel sort of see see rated movie i I don't I didn't have that reaction I only seen the movie once and i'm pretty sure that I kind of dozed off in the middle of it so I like stirring minority room I mean it was a while ago and it was just a bad situation but from what from what I remember of it uh you know I was sort of surprised that it's it's not really my type of thing sci-fi is not really my jam yeah and I was I was surprised it actually how accessible they kind of made it feel in the trailer as someone who usually just Tunes it out right away I was kind of surprised by what it by what it looked like and what it was about and so I was intrigued enough to actually want to sit down and watch the full pilot really from there but yeah I mean why what what about it sort of undid the movie ruin the movie I just think the the problem with network TV and this is with that Gotham show to everything feels very watered-down right uh maybe because like I don't know it's like no one's dirty if you never noticed that like there's not enough thanked gritty Anna yeah there's not that I mean it just seems like uh they they don't you know pay the same amount of attention to detail as they do on other shows I mean coming and I always reference FX because they you know the production value there is sort of over the top right for a lot of stuff I mean for some for like the peak years of sons of anarchy I mean that show was kind of unbeatable for me and then when you look at a show like you know Gotham or even this minority report it just feels a little cheap cheap there there little sugar coated and maybe you have to dumb it down for a generalized audience I don't know I don't think it's a dumb it down I think some shows like you know the good wife or you know Parenthood there are there have been some quality dramas and think that haven't necessarily had to dumb things down but i do think what you get on broadcast TV or what i would notice is that things move a lot faster things happen more quickly they think because there's so much advertising money again that we're talking about sort of dumped on these networks they feel like they can't afford to have people change the channel at all so they heard i keep them locked in they had to keep them right there they have to move the story along they don't want anybody to say on board I'm changing the channel so I think you just speed sort of factors in and they go through things quicker and sometimes I think that's it at the expense of diving deeper into characters are getting a little grittier and more complex or things like that so it's that revenue model that actually influences and changes the very structure of a narrative sure and I think you can even see that in basic cable I think when you have you know AMC putting on Mad Men and Breaking Bad you know back in the days they took their time with those shows and let them build they didn't have to worry about it but then when they get a little bit of success The Walking Dead's and what that comes on it does you know for better or worse it changes the way they approach the business because net mode that's a huge moneymaker and so they you know HBO everybody's has gone through this once they get a little prestige its great but when they get the thing that really hits then that's what they're going to try to sort of go in that direction because that's where the business just sort of naturally go so you always want in my opinion the biggest creative strides any television shows ever made is when it's on the ground floor something when it's new when there was new things get a few years under their belt they naturally sort of become more like a broadcast network just by sort of the nature of the business of mm-hmm so I because we got questions about uh people saying well you know if I DVR a show all the time like who's benefiting from that they I mean more and more they are factoring those things and you know a couple years ago all the network started saying you know again to the advertisers to the press as well don't just don't just report the overnight ratings anymore because it doesn't it's not the same you know when a show ads four million extra viewers and DVR replays you know that's that's significant and so some shows that you know a year ago or you know five years ago would've been canceled because their numbers are terrible they come up in the DVR and they're like that's that's not it's not so bad so I think for a while the networks have been looking at those numbers and making decisions based on them and now they're trying to get I think the people on the outside they're covering the industry to look at it the same way and I think for the most part we still sort of are tied to those overnight ratings but we do factor in those things that we're writing a report about the bubble shows and what's going to come back or not we say you know they might keep this one because it adds five million viewers every week in DVR place so that it does it does play a factor now more than it used to hmm I mean because you know what I always wonder is like well how is any revenue being generated right because if your DVR Aang you know it's the same thing with like if you have ad blocker turned on on your wet on a browser right you're not getting served the ad if you DVR you're not getting served the ad yeah and I've seen a lot of networks they're really trying to push advertisers into their on-demand platforms yeah you watch a lot of that stuff the week or we're not you can't fast borders which is only but but also as far as the network's concern in terms of DVR you know once those ads are sold their souls right there giving the money whether or not the advertisers actually getting the best bang for their buck yeah and again that's why you might see some advertisers say I only want to buy the shows that do really well with live audiences and they maybe don't spend as much money on the shows that have a small audience tuned in but half the big DVR playback no it's it's it's a new world it's changing all the time it really makes our job both difficult but also interesting yeah see how the models changing all the time what's crazy is i don't really think the way we have TV now with DVR were kind of still in this you know Wild West period where it's sort of unregulated you can fast forward commercials I I truly believe that the the hourglass is running dry on that I don't think you will be able to record a TV show in 10 years and skip the commercials it's just not gonna happen I mean what do you guys think I I truly believe like you will and and I guess this you know leads into a bigger discussion but I really think eventually you know watching a live show will be this like strange sort of experience like did you watch them shoot that show live did you see the first recording of that I think in terms of watching live like I know for for me personally a lot of it has to do with social media like the shows that I'm really that I like to be you know present on social media with I I will won't miss it because then I'm not part of the conversation when it had you know if i were to watch 12 hours later so i think in that respect if people if social media is still is huge and still a big part of the entertainment process like those are the shows that will still get the live viewers but then if if you don't care about being part of that conversation like that's that's when you'll watch it a couple days later yeah and i think along with that not just wanted to be a part of the conversation but not to have everything spoiled for yeah i think i think ABC has built their entire thursday night around you have to watch us live or everyone's going to tell you what happened on scandal and you're gonna want to kill the internet the next day and it's actually done well for them and that shonda rhimes block Grey's Anatomy scandal had to go with murder in the fall was just enormous and so it really worked for them before long another thing you said about sort of 10 years from now i don't know i want to put an exact timeline on it i just think the way things are going the way we niche sort of platforms or what not will you have your netflix is in your who's I think it's just almost somewhere in the future I think it's basically just going to be a here's a bunch of content and just watch what you want think you're going to be a lot of personalization just you building your own scheduling you know part of the up run system showing you what nice and what days and time slots things are going to be on and I think that's not that's going to matter or less and less i think it's just going to be here's a lot of content put it in your box and watch it and will I i don't have a timeline for that I think it's going to be a while but I think that's also the worst going because you have so many different people not just networks and cable cut and channels you know they have you know PlayStation everybody's you're making their own programming now and I think it's just going to be a big web of of shows and things to watch and entertain yourself with so what freaks me out is like late-night the late night guys where the the you know it seems like a lot of it is consumed live but then I find out who had the best night in late night the next day when I said when I see what clips are trending and what and what and what's hot so for me it's like oh well I saw that live I'm you know you're somehow like you had a superior experience but it's very strange it's almost like these performances that they get recorded and then everyone sort of like it you know trickles out through the internet and and sort of you know has its arrived yeah I mean it's funny David Letterman recently he did interview with The New York Times Sun Oven his goodbye tour and really said like he totally missed the boat on all that like Jimmy Fallon the Jimmy Kimmel those guys came along and he said that's kind of one of the reasons he knew it was time for him to go cuz he's like that's not what I do and that's not what I'm ever gonna be good at and he really doesn't like you still see clips from his interviews come out but he's not producing content specifically aimed at sure that internet generation you know you have Jimmy Fallon doing all these bits with Brad Pitt and things like that so I mean it's interesting I think those shows aren't just late night shows anymore they're really aimed at the internet I think like you said it's weird it's a weird time I that some seems like a lot of trouble that I don't wanna be dealing with um yeah it's crazy what do you guys I mean we should obviously disclose I think everyone knows where it worse where a CBS company but what are you guys did they do stuff with Colbert how did how did that yeah yeah can you um play that out for me yeah Robin take that one first oh thanks why would you have like a colbert thing no but I think Adams avoiding the subject okay fair enough no watch I mean everyone like I said ABC has Kimmel you know a lot of these networks have this big opening um the one for CBS was already taped and they did a whole whole sketch with Colbert and they basically had him you know about to go out the door and then he gets stuck watching it and then he's just binging and binging on all these amazing CBS procedurals and then he has a beard and then les Moonves shows up and you know it's like let's go it's time to go and next thing you know they both have beards they've been binging for so long and there's a dog or somewhere along the dog has a beard also nice yeah and then um it was a funny bit i think he just went on a little ya know long and and but when stephen colbert did come out onstage after that i'm sort of a taped thing that he's led to his introduction on the stage and i think he was better there in the live setting i think the the bit went on a little maybe too long especially since I don't you know I I don't personally know a lot of people who just binge CBS show CBS is one of the networks that has the biggest live you know viewership so sure people are watching those shows when they're on and maybe not saving them up for weeks and weeks on the DVR to sort of cram through them because they probably don't have DVR as ever you're saying I just mean I just thought maybe the concept of the bit was a little flawed to write on maybe maybe Colbert is a person who you know would be binging because he's been busy doing his other show you for a few years I guess so so the big question that we've gotten for whatever reason people think like we have his number on speed dial but he's actually chained at my desk right now everybody's just waiting for you to come back um people want to know you know the shtick that he does he did a character for nine years yeah but I'm one of those people that kind of don't really buy into the whole character thing I think Steve Colbert on Comedy Central was seventy percent his real character sort of persona and then thirty percent of that you know psychotic Republican thing so what do you think she is probably right and that was sort of again that was the basis of the bit with saying i've been playing Stephen goes but who's the real Stephen Colbert and so sort of that he was gonna go out and find himself that's when he got stuck watching criminal minds for hours but yeah I think what I don't want to see when I'm afraid we are gonna see is uh just more of the same like you know talk show it's like when conan went to TBS everybody was like always going to turn the world upside down because you know he's gonna get revenge on leaving being fired from The Tonight Show and really what he went and did was the same talk show that people been doing on those networks forever and rice that's what he's good at what he wanted to do so I get that so you know it's gonna be introducing Colbert go from that format where he was talking to America and playing that character to where he's having to be the affable guy behind the desk letting these celebrities you know she'll their movies and stuff so it'll be interesting to see if he if he plays into that sort of making digital-only content as well and sort of focusing on doing taped bits like that I want to see him do more that I want to see I want I want the best parts of his old show to transfer but I'm afraid we're still gonna have to be stuck kind of in that sort of late-night format that we've been seeing a lot of for for many years so crazy to think about what that show is going to look like very exciting all right when we come back we got to take a break we're going to go through Adam and Rob and have lists in front of them there's like cancelled shows shows that are coming back I have a list in front of you now I'm an expert officially I've been knighted as a TV expert more 404 right after this you've probably heard me complain before about using actual blades to shave right you've heard me complain about how how I just get to roughed up 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and I'm some of them so I mean probably not before Robyn Knight our first appearance right gotcha then once that happened I went back and did some some read some homework some research okay oh yeah not a big fan well thanks but what other podcasts do you listen to I listen to a lot of the grantland's network yeah yes I listen to marin obviously and there's a used to be on the grant one networking that's now on slate i believe it's the moment with brian koppelman he's a screenwriter he interviews a lot of actors and the screenwriters and stuff and he said it's pretty good i listen to a couple TV podcast listen to The Nerdist podcast you know some of the bigger ones and I'm not like a deep dive I've started listening lately to a boxing podcast called the ropes again boxing yeah yeah really yeah I've re did you know he's into boxing I mean I know I'm relatively new yeah I have a really good friend of mine shout out to kyle thomas he'll never listen to this problem he he came up a couple years but he's been a boxing fan as long as I've known him and there was to sort of Brooklyn guys he had watched her their younger career and they were doing a big fight in Brooklyn it was sort of like the king of brooklyn fight so he was gonna visit anyway so we went to the fight and then through that experience i started watching more and more and he came back for the big heavyweight title fight the garden a few weeks ago let's go Jennings and I we went to that and of course watch mayweather pacquiao all that so I've recently sort of become more and more obsessed with it i'm not an expert or anything like that but I've been listening to the podcast trying to to grow out you know when I get into something I want to know I won't know the history sure so I've sort of doing it in reverse well that that I don't know how I feel about boxing just because I don't I like hockey which has a bit of boxing in it uh but it's very strange to me that it's still a thing yeah I mean the thing I've noticed most and again I'm not going to be any kind of expert on the sport or you know the work that goes into I think they all do work really hard totally they're amazing athlete but the thing I've noticed more just about going to some of these events the way into stuff like boxing or boxers are so great with their fans unlike any other sport you see because a lot of them are just they're guys who spent a lot of time in the gym and they work hard and they all have sort of you know a lot of have blue collar backgrounds or just they're just normal people and yeah I don't think because boxing isn't recognizing the way that baseball our best they don't have that inflated sense of ego unless your loin mayweather maybe you know any i see people just it coming up to them and like they stop and pose for like a hundred photos and they never seem like it's an imposition to them or anything like that so i don't know i mean in terms of the sport itself i I think it's I enjoy watching it yeah it's it's uh I don't know again and I'm still too new to filmmaking branford Grandpop cuz you know you don't come or you don't come across people who are like oh I'm brand new into boxing me yeah you know true it's true all right but it's an interesting time I mean going back to the TV connection there they're putting you know network TV is putting it on boxing fights now yeah I new league called the premier boxing champions which is a they made some cards on CBS and the afternoons on saturdays i did a prime-time cln NBC one saturday night there on Spike so they're they're trying to make it not just be the premium cable stuff anymore and I think it's an interesting time for the sport or maybe people like me who are new to maybe jump into it it's like oh I turned 50 and then I got into boxing it's weird well not 59 I wasn't saying you say what how do you feel about boxing I'm curious it's not my things away cuz I mean I love sports yeah wouldn't animal TV during March Madness like I oh yeah I grew up playing a lot of sports um more team sports volleyball and basketball but boxing I just when I found out that Mayweather is the highest paid athlete in the world or I guess I was just like what I yeah that was my i was like huh yeah so and it's just not my thing to watch and I could care less of the fight the other weekend I've taken us very far afield from our original topic ya know the problem i had and that's what we do on the show it was a hundred dollars yeah how is that okay it wasn't worth a hundred dollar here's I'll say this I spent it my wife took some convincing but she's also sort of with me has gotten into the sport a little bit more which is kind of funny she is not you're not putting words and I like into it no she's been she's watched the last three fights that I've watched you know right beside me because it's been on the TV or because your lady funny actively reviewing together actively she actively like said let's let's do it you guys had your own steam cars the man of Jim Lampley who's the hbos lead commentator so I yeah anyway again getting distracted um I don't know where we were good money yes bae i paid the hundred bucks i think the thing about sports is the feeling you want from sports isn't necessarily the event itself but the anticipation of what could happen and so like seriously I the build up to it even if the fight wasn't good order i think it was i think just the anticipation of seeing what you're about to see somehow it felt it feels like it's worth it even though it's probably not worth 100 bucks especially when you know it ended up pretty much exactly everyone thought it was going to but don't you think that's part of like the the con job is that they they wrap this piece of in like this you know amazing hundred dollar box and you're like oh my god this thing's a hundred dollars yeah I mean maybe I mean I think it's a lot of height but again I think I think for a long time these guys who've been getting there you know heads bashed in four years and haven't gotten that kind of attention of that kind of respect I think they deserved the money as much as anybody who sits in a dugout for half a game oh I'm not saying they don't deserve the money and they better spend it quick before they just go to mush because that's unfortunately kind of what happens but anyway alright we digress a little bit with some boxing but I'm glad we snuck that in because I was trying to talk about it the other night the other the other day with a some of our co-host and they just weren't maybe on a future podcast when I guys when I've done some more of my homework and yeah a little more well-versed in the game will be chess more have a buddy who's super into it and ever have a conversation with them I want to punch him i will say seen Cena fights live is fun yeah just like any sporting event seeing it live and being there with the crowd you kind of get swept up in it so all right I'll take your word for it there miss Bryant um all right let's get to the renewals the cancellations you guys have little notes on your list surrounding new shows that are coming okay so these are the new shows what do we think about new shows what are the highlights I guess we'll switch back and forth between you guys I'll go first I guess the big one that our users are responded to and this is gonna sound crazy again we are owned by CBS but the one that seems to be getting the most buzz is Supergirl oh yes CBS is finally getting in on the superhero craze but just the trailer was very well received at the upfronts I think everyone's been talking about it watching it on on replay stars Melissa Benoist who is on glee and it's sort of gonna tell the origin story of that character you know again I've always been more of a Batman fans Superman's not my thing and so Supergirl obviously wasn't I didn't follow that as well but the trailer it looked it looked like it was doing some things well I think the the tone of it was right i'm not i'm really i'm just curious to see where it goes against CBS is known for their sort of doing their cop procedurals and i guess in some way this is a person may be catching bad guys but I really kind of it's from greg berlanti who has renovated CW's line up with arrow and flash those also DC superheroes so I think it's got a guy who knows what he's doing behind it I just wonder how it's going to be received on that network with that audience if it's gonna if it's going to work so I don't know but that's that's when everyone's big talk is been buzzing about for a while it was one of the most expected as we picked up it was and the trailer so far has gotten pretty pretty positive reviews okay is there any like so did CBS pick up any more like acronym shows or no or actually they cancelled CSI they're going to wrap up CSI which have been on for 15 years and totally sort of reinvigorated the network that many years ago yeah they they're ending it it's going to be a two-hour series finale in September and they're bringing back actually William Peterson marg Helgenberger they were there originally they both since left the show but they're coming back for the end so they're gonna make a big event out of that and then uh Ted Danson Ted Danson who was currently on the show he's moving over to CSI cyber which is the latest spin-off of CSI which is coming back next year so they're still gonna be acronyms NCIS is still going strong with three shoes what's NCIS them for NCIS criminal investigative service she's like Navy police it it's basically the csi's of Navy elevator they don't really do the whole crime scene science as much they're just a team of investigators who saw a naval related goat or something in DC in LA and in New Orleans currently who knows maybe we'll get NCIS Poughkeepsie next year oh man that would be awesome all right and uh uh Rob what's your first highlighted new pickup well we mentioned it will be for containment obviously that was uh had a lot of buzz in the pilot stages of what was going to get picked up it comes from Julie plaque who I'm you know a big fan of because she did create the vampire is in this been off the originals um so and actually one of the stars in containment is coming off of a run on the Vampire Diaries is a really dynamic villain that everyone loved so I'm excited that he's getting another show who was bad his name is chris wood okay um he's great like someone definitely to look for but this show is actually based on a Belgian series and it takes place in Atlanta and it's sort of pre-apocalypse when there's like a viral outbreak and basically there's a cord it and where people are either stuck inside the court in the quarantine or stuck on the outside and that sort of sets the stage for you know unlikely heroes and people trying to save their loved ones and I like that no one's doing that no one's really doing that yes contain was gonna break some barriers yeah um it's like pre walking sort of like walking dead but they'll build up to what actually happened before walking dead started right ends lose like a Walking Dead spinoff also that's coming on this summer yeah and I think it's actually gonna sort of walk in that territory as well I think it's going to be it's it's it's being sold as a prequel or it seems to be so as a prequel and basically I think we're going to see the virus sort of and the original show Rick falls asleep and wake or he goes into a coma and wakes up in the world awful zombies I think we're gonna see how that came to be over in Los Angeles where the new show is so you have a lot of comic book fans pissed off at that yeah i mean i don't know how i feel about it i had a love-hate relationship with the show I didn't read the comic books that much I read some of them before the show started I think I think there's an opportunity there i think you know it's hopefully it gives them the chance to do more creative things because there's not any sort of precedent for there's not a book they're following the room and they can tell maybe a different kind of stories i feel like the worst thing about the walking dead is that they kind of do the same thing over and over again they go to a place it's safe for a while then it's not name on it that's just kind of how the world works that's how the book yeah those two it was on and on forever and so you know I think there's a lot more danger a lot more uncertainty maybe a lot more complexity in sort of the early stages of this we've been watching these people for years now sort of wrestle with their you know their morality as they kill zombies and humans and maybe it's going to be much early in the process when right dealing with those feelings so I have hopes that it will be different although I'm pretty sure you're going to get zombies getting their head smashed and pretty soon because that's what people love totally it's crazy especially with that you're playing with a idea that has this finite sort of conclusion that you know where it's going alright so playing with that is probably an interesting sort of juggling situation we should note that containments not on this fall actually being held two minutes easy which is only 13 episodes a big trend this year actually the last few years a lot of the networks are not necessarily putting on some of the stuff that looks the best right in our eyes based on you know a trailer which is not really the best way to review these things they're holding that stuff back to me its season sometimes it strategic like an NB C's case they've had really good Falls I have football on they do really well in the fall and then they sort of slack off through the rest of the year so I think they're trying to hold back some of the big guns that they have and try to put those on in January in the spring so that they can sort of sustain their number one status right through the whole year so but so yeah a lot of these shows some of them are being healthy yeah another another show that I think we both are looking forward to or I am that's also midseason is wicked see I can't remember you liked it right so we both had put it on our list it used to be called la crime we made a list sort of right prior to all the pickup's of the shows that we kind of want to see get picked up and this was on there and then this is wicked City good City seeing the trailer just reaffirmed everything i'm excited for because it is going to fill the stalker sized hole in my heart because i am probably one of like you know a handful people who like stalker on CBS Oh stalker the show I thought you were like getting some stalker fantasy and it also stars at westwick from Gossip Girl Who I actually and I from cousin no he I've actually heard this from an AVC executive that like this is gonna be the role I mean he's kind of unrecognizable I mean the show takes place in the 80s I like that it's a limited it's supposed to be a limited series so a lot of the people mover technologies yes if it carries on it'll be a whole new case correct you detective model or Fargo they're gonna redo it all right gotcha American Horror Story so a couple of people signed on or signed on for you know one season only and and that's also nice because got you go into it knowing there is going to be resolution at the end of that first season if it is you know gonna move on to another story but you know basically he's a serial killer in Los Angeles in set in the 80s it's sort of gritty Sunset Strip kind of feels like drive a little bit already then the script has lots of call out for Van Halen song to be played so yeah there's a lot of scenes that take place at the whisky so there yeah it's said in that world it's actually the conceit of the series is that it's actually all about sort of la crimes new year I think some of them will be maybe invented some will be based on real crimes this one is again about a guy who has killed a lot of young women and the cop is trying to catch him but then twist along the way is that one of the girls he's dating is also kind of crazy so there's like a Bonnie and Clyde serial natural born killer sort of thing okay yeah alright sounds sounds interesting choice for cheeks yeah definitely a little more Alex to that well I am not the biggest viewer of network TV comedy or really any comedy I like I you know I like to laugh I just I make priorities for drama no i don't i mostly time we were all that thought Adam we have to we have to pick this bone what do you mean you don't like to you know like joy I ever liked to laugh I love to laugh everything i watch on TV you not live watching berries hey not less hello I'm because I'm too busy crying and sobbing and you know wishing for that's why you need the palate cleanse your to saw no I well I don't I don't know watch comedies either to be fair neither of us Goldberg's I do I don't watch some comedy I don't watch Goldberg's I love so good baby I'm good the Goldbergs I really really enjoy but also i'll watch a lot of dramas that are also really funny the admin it's one of the funniest shows on TV regardless of how serious it takes it so breaking bad was darkly funny and sure well I I I appreciate comedy it's just not my my go to see me there's very hover on Sunday when I catch up when all the things there ought to watch on TV I'm gonna watch every comedy everybody I grew up watching friends yeah cheers and cause me and all that stuff you know I I have a place in my heart for TV comedy it's just not as much of what I do day-to-day now in this job well and and I don't really watch the broadcast comedy broadcast TV comedy there's besides Goldberg's and maybe modern family which is oh my god it's enough ready yeah that show but um yeah cuz none of it's funny it's not funny right no I'm really laughing it it's it's a hard thing you mean the reason you get these shows that are you know still watched like Francis on forever because they got the formula right and it's hard it's a hard thing it's about chemistry it's not the right cast I think Parks and Rec had that cast and I thought it was really funny show when I when I was able to watch it but it's a tough thing but anyway what I was saying despite my aversion to watching TV comedy I think two of the most interesting shows this year on fox and a sort of a nostalgia throwback comedy block of John Stamos starring the show called grandfathered where he's sort of the quintessential bachelor who then finds out not only does he have a son he never knew about but that son also has a child so he's all of a sudden gone from bachelor to grandfather he's too good-looking more than when paired with that the only other guy who you think could follow that is Rob Lowe I'm not age right right right he's starting the show called the grinder he's basically that actor has been on this he's been on a TV show playing a lawyer called the grinder for eight years his show gets canceled and he decides to move back home and take over his family law firm because he's just convinced he can be a lawyer regardless of whether he's in training Fred Savage from The Wonder Years plays his brother who actually is a lawyer and kind of gets upstaged by his better looking older brother cool so it's a really you know the trailers for both of those are really charming I think they I think the nostalgia factor for John Stamos is harder than ever with the netflix picking up the 40 so I think it's gonna be good and the show seemed to actually have the goods in beatbox building their comedy block around that those two shows on 20 nights so I'm anxious or eager to check those out mm-hmm okay you're really good at selling these show ya know I'm psyched I've been sitting in these rooms all week listening to all the buzz words be just becoming the man is the parent that's it they told me it was good i watch the trailer I'm convinced now so uh you have no comedies on your list ah what I'm assuming no I don't uh although although I this is kind of I guess it's a comedy one thing that we're both sort of interested to see how how it does so the CW picked up a show called crazy ex-girlfriend it was originally developed at Showtime as a half-hour comedy it's now going to be an hour musical type of show but its stars Rachel bloom who actually lived with one of the girls in broad city she was telling me so she and you know looks sort of his in that world it's paired with jane the virgin which is virtually CW's only non supernatural type of show so it's a great pairing it's definitely it's definitely out there in terms of the musical aspect I have no idea how it's going to work she watching then one show where that's worked I mean will CLE lasted you know how everybody's it is a bet I so they did I'm not a musical person oh d so randomly breakout and yeah okay it's bolaño production on thursday yeah there's a lyric about a pretzel and then a giant press l 20 feet it's also an odd probably like in tongue-in-cheek in a way to like how ridiculous it again it's just a trailer so we don't know what the execution is in the actual pilot and she'll get cancelled just from a trailer is that from the reception yeah I don't know I mean but the premise of the show is basically she had this crush on this guy in high school who kind of rejected her she meets up with him later when she's sort of successful in Manhattan and he's like I'm moving to this weird small town in California moot you know if you're ever out there come see me so she packs up her whole life and moves out there for this guy and it's that sort of the idea so yeah she's a crazy ex-girlfriend or whatnot so I'm really not sold on it I am more want to watch it just for the the fact that the crazy factor yeah of what the pilot what the trailer made me feel when I saw it I I'm not sure how it's gonna work but I'm intrigued just see what it is cuz it's one of it whether it's a success or a failure it's gonna be something unlike anything else is on TV right here it sounds like broadcast rubbernecking is what it sounds like I just can't look away from this disaster I have to watch it yeah um another I mean I'm not all CW though the other thing I believe that yeah well my other jam is i love the sort of dick wolf i love chicago fire in chicago pd and there's now gonna be Chicago med um which was acting city of all she comes well in the same way there's also going to be a criminal mind spin-off and so both were sort of head back to our pilots which basically means an episode of the show it's stemming from this season featured and introduced those characters that you know had it tested well which they obviously did they then you're you've already met these characters and then you go off and they'll have their own show both of those spin-offs i mean i i've been watching criminal minds since the beginning and then Chicago PD and Fire I've sort of come to this year or maybe a little bit last year so both of those I'm actually excited for just you know pretty much because I do like the originals though alright let's be sticking with medical drama there's that was sort of a big trend this year yeah see in addition to Chicago med they also picked up a show called Harbor which I'm not endorsing at all medical show heartbreak she's a thoracic surgeon she's a heart surgeon so yeah that's my thing it's like it looks bet it's it's my it's my personal bed for the first show cancelled this year but I don't know if you guys have like cool like office pools we're working on it yeah let's talk about it we see the actual pilots for me yeah I mean I go to a TV get do you ever have like Death Watch like that sort of thing shows that are on the bubble later on informally we do that but you should totally do it formally by CBS also has a medical drama this year called code black I like the script Robin did not yes we both read it just the pilots around before got picked up it has the it felt like it had the energy of ER to it which is as medical drama that I really did like and again that you could say that that seems repetitive to go back to that place and maybe it is the trailer did not to me didn't seem to it give me the same kind of feelings I had about the script right but I want to see the whole pilot the trailer was well received by others it didn't quite hit me the way I hoped it had but it stars Marcia Gay Harden she's sort of the the main doctor and she's she's got a tragic backstory that makes me want to save lives and it's basically the whole conceit of that show is that they were working at sort of the busiest ER in the country and basically code black is when sort of if they're so full of patients that like all the bets are off and everyone has to sort of all hands on deck put them together this constant chaos guys they're trying to avoid getting to code black and I'm sure they probably will fail in that every single episode you know what's gonna happen right here's how that shows gonna work and you guys already read the pilot yeah but it's always they're gonna they're gonna it's gonna start right not every show opens with credit they stitz going to start and then just like that schmuck with the glasses on CSI which is gonna be like dr. weir a coal-black well in the right ones gonna roll think it happens at the end of the first or second acting yes eyelids yeah um but but we'll see it i think i liked about the script was that despite all the chaos in the intensity there were some emotional beats that I think landed they landed okay in the trailer but i think you know it'll depend it's hard to judge any show on a trailer even the judge on a pilot because so much happens and concerns with setups coming together so you know but it's a it's of the the medical dramas that i read in the run-up to this season that's why i like the best and it got picked up so we'll see what happens alright we've got good black doctor what's up so there's a huge list here and we're gonna put it up on will link it in the show notes later today if you head over to cnet com / the 404 real quick before I want to move on to some cancellations and then we're gonna start to wrap things up what uh what's the players have anything to do with the movie no no that's actually it's a new show okay DC that's from the same people who did the blacklist okay so it's a really high octane thriller um it's it's kind of a weird concept that I'm not quite sure if that my head wrapped around basically philip winchester who was in a Cinemax show called strike back which is again really action-packed he's like a former military guy who's now security specialist anyway his his wife is killed and he's recruited by Wesley Snipes tues we found him he to be what they call the player they have this sort of weird setup where he and another lady ah they bet on crime and basically it's basically conceived for this guy to go out and stop different bad guys every week because it's a procedural but the whole gambling can see it's set in Las Vegas I don't understand exactly how that factors into the trailer doesn't make it clear how that factors into the story all that well but it does look like if you if you're into sort of the muscular thrills yeah blacklist I think you're gonna find a lot to go with that show and they're putting it on right after the blacklist on Thursday night so it's going to be sort of a two-hour block of that kind of show so you know again a procedural a big hunky guy catching bad guys and Wesley Snipes in a three-piece suit why not it but speaking of movie actors and and movie adaptations we said Minority Report the other one is limitless right which is give me on CBS and they've said you know Bradley Cooper's in the pilot they've sort of said bit you know pending availability he might appear again but then again it's it's based on in that movie right now that's interesting that he can use he basically takes a drug that sort of makes him the smartest man in the world or something like that so once this new guy does it and the pilots a different character right I guess Bradley Cooper's sort of showing him the way I'm offers him the pills somewhere once he takes the pill his when his brain works the FBI is like oh we'll just use him to catch all the bad guys sort of the CBS is latest you know Sherlock or Patrick Jane to the mentalist sort of a really smart guy catching back so is a superhero detective yes some capacity you'll notice also the other trend of reboots I don't know if you saw coach the my rights when Uncle Buck will choose what is based on the movie no le reve it but yeah so they mean nostalgia is just that's crazy i'm obviously looking forward to the Muppets because yeah it's the further aft at the trailer I don't yeah I mean there's no organizers are pretty good here's my question are the Muppets gonna be there for the TCA panel or is it what you see a pen so twice a year there's a group there's a function called the television critics association winter and summer press tours and basically as I was saying earlier you know the upfront we have our moments that aren't you know about the advertisers they basically it's about 10 days in a hotel ballroom in LA where all the networks sort of on a different day bring all their new talent or they do like big panel discussions of cooperatives and then we sort of we can get them on video do you want to have Kermit the Frog will be available for uh well I'm just curious because you know I mean who else there maybe Jer I mean air burned uh well yes but bill preity who is the second producer of big bang theory is behind this sort of reboot break and they're promising that it's going to be sort of a more adult version of the Muppets which I don't think means it's not aimed at kids but it's it's gonna sort of it's going to poke fun at sort of the modern family office mockumentary style of okay we're telling and it's actually gonna delve into their personal relationships more cool expect to see some Kermit piggy drama right i mean what Muppets always like she is as well it was not just like sort of the variety show that they used to do in the bat in the past it's gonna be more a narrative story I think involved in these characters so but the trailer had all your favorites in there you know Fozzie's there and Swedish Chef all that stuff so fuzzy babe it's the animal our boss loves animals why not and then all right real quick though the strangest debut first what's the weirdest show where you're like how could this work I know talk about the ex-girlfriend show that sounds crazy enough um can't what I'm blinking the name the tattoos uh blind spot yeah but you know it's it's funny it's it's a weird conceit but I think it's gonna find an audience it's basically it's kind of like the board identity meets prison break she's basically this woman woman is found in a duffel bag in Times Square tattoo the lawyer she's naked but she's covered in tattoos all right they mean for you have you know she has no memory of it course not they wiped it yeah and then slowly she begins to realize that she knows kung fu and she speaks Chinese and so she looks like memento a little bit yeah sort of so she sort of becomes like a special ops a person who again helps them catch bad guys because there's some big conspiracy that's tattooed all over her body so she got dumped in Times Square where there's where there's no cameras anywhere right right yeah nice okay look at my two points but yeah it's it sounds kind of crazy but I think again it looks like the kind of thing that could catch on and they're putting it after the voice which is their best time slot they have on it is true and that's where they launched the blacklist to success a couple years ago and it's getting that time slot and again it feels very action packed in the same way so we'll see given credit for taking a chance right or at least it's not something you've heard of before you know yeah and it's not there also rebooting heroes thing about heroes in the fall yeah nobody has for that and that's about uh so the cancellations uh and and shows that are ending are there any like big sort of surprises on this list and again we'll link to in the show knows anything likes that's really sort of well then adding them in I mean the Mindy project was a big one there's a crow yes today I mean they officially announced just like few hours ago that it is getting picked up by hulu but i think you know the ratings had sort of suffered over the years but i think people were sort of surprised i think there was a big fan outcry probably the biggest one this year was for revenge which had been off for four years that show to me went off the rails a long time ago but it's still what audience it had left was passionate and you know our colleague Sadie she wrote about the finale and thought they really felt kind of rushed and silly at the end which to me it always felt silly but I think there was some disappointment there with that one and also as a new show on ABC called forever which a lot of people had sort of latched on to its ratings weren't great but it did get the ax and there's been a lot of tweets in our direction people hoping to somehow president that one and maybe they will I don't know that that's still that was about a guy who dies and wakes up in the Hudson River everytime he dies and he can't die so maybe maybe he will live on somewhere else I don't know i don't hate that yeah that feels a little john Baldacci yeah he was also using those powers to goth crime though is it's always using powers of solder that's it cuz what else do you know no one ever has fun at robs banks and does cool stuff they're like no I gotta save the world alright we'll take one more break and then we'll finish things up with Robin and Adam stay tuned we'll be right back big shout out to eat glue our new sponsors on the 404 show igloo is an intranet you'll actually like 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alright welcome back to the 404 show it's up front week on 404 why don't we they don't include us in any of this stuff did you guys ever get to like have fun with like a new front door an upfront or something like that yeah in Valle we going cover them anymore like but like we don't get a ticket when you get a ticket to go to the event you get to go to the party yeah there's rubble there's their sliders and sushi just rebooted did you guys rub elbows with any like big any big-time celebrities where maybe you had like a starstruck moment I really I mean it's hard for us to get really starstruck because I mean we deal with it all the time you just I mean I'm just always with babies people so come on no thanks but you know there are people that we over the years covering different shows I've sort of formed you know I wouldn't call them friendships or even relationships but just people you see a lot your inner i saw the Gotham cast and I've sort of talked to Robin Lord Taylor who plays ping gonna show talk to him a few times to the season so it was good to see him bid Mackenzie the star that show I covered for years on Southland you know the best one on that show is who's that is he still on it Donald yeah I love him yeah he's great he was on my favorite show ever that got cancelled after one season your ears yes there is not even need to like great show how good was that so good i was so chairs was worn cherry no it was a Sean Ryan yeah right all right and the guy who wrote oceans 11 right huh love that it was a great show but but you know it had a per pound of perfect ending it did it's almost contained in that sucks but it yeah it was a great show if you haven't checked it out it's on netflix i would feel so if not i'm sorry for lying and what the hell neff looks like reboot that show if you're looking for something um so what about you romney any celebrities that you're like no I mean I did the these all have red carpets that we tend to not necessarily go to but I did the CW one just because they're they're all their finales are sort of this week and next week and it's a good place to get scoop you know the vampire diaries cast I've been interviewing since probably since season two and rock yeah and the emission they see Robin at the end of the carpet oh god here we go again you roll their eyes no it works to my advantage they don't want to you know I mean short long story short you know what their major character just left after six years so it's a big story point which one unit dobrev who you know and used today Ian Ian just got married to the rumors about him doing press but sure you know I again I've been interviewing him now for so many years so you guys hug and you can't really hug I mean ketchup um but no you huggin like it takes a while to let go and he's like okay someone good know if anything's be obviously oh really um but no I so he's now happily married he is sounds like it um but you know like ABC ABC family was fun because um you know this they put up the music as soon as the presentation ends and you got all the four Pretty Little Liars like literally start dancing in the middle the dance floor and it took like a couple minutes for the ad sales people to realize it was them and then they like beeline for pictures so I mean you you see that kind of stuff but you know we kind of sort of head out really early on a starstruck moment yeah actually wasn't even there I watched the presentation on the live stream but maybe topping Dolly Parton at NBC was the end of NB or ABC's presentation they brought out Montell Jordan to sing this is how we do it when with rewritten lyrics about ABC that was a team this year this is how we do all of their cast was on stage also dancing or whatever what she gets for something like that I don't know but it was yeah either he probably does it for free because this is like the biggest promotion he's at in 10 it's like my Spotify numbers gonna go through yeah again assuming it wasn't a track he still still had the voices it was way so I don't like that who had the best up front who won I know and yeah I know it's tough with CBS CB who but that aside looks like based on content based on the shows that i'm most likely to check out i'd say ABC yeah the most shows i'm genuinely interested in income and their present mean all the presentations are slick and they're in big theaters they have all these graphics and whatnot so you know it just it just depends but i think in terms of content ABC and again on the comedy side FOX NBC and CBS we're kind of they were what they were but you know you sure opinion yeah i mean i think i was a bc i was into a lot of stuff i was surprised by the is it the family yeah we were both i think a little bit like oh that actually looks really good so i mean yeah i would say i would probably agree with that that's also a midseason show yeah just a quick hit it's about a politician whose son goes missing when he's young and shows back up when she's about to announce she's running for governor but it may not actually be him it could be some sort of conspiracy so it looks sort of mysterious and twisty but Joan Allen stars and that she's great always has been great so you have that one really intrigued me that wasn't my favorite trailer us although times I hadn't actually read that script so I didn't know what to expect and that trailer I think really worked how can we do well how come we can never I know this will never have we can never have a show like black mirror be on a broadcast you know us broadcast network why like why can't we have nice things like that I don't know I mean those brits man they're just weird how good is black mare you like black i I've seen a little bit of it and watch more on deficit but again it's on netflix i think again it's gonna be no I know go in at all it makes your own network it's all been globalized we get it but like do you have you watch black mirror you haven't had the pleasure I don't know I don't watch there's no vampires in at you I don't not into british shows there's nowhere it's not even a british show just people have British accent I'm gonna do the looking for again I'm a madman a guy I've been talking about a lot out that Jon Hamm did a couple episodes did he did the Christmas oh there's a new Blackmer I I mean I don't know maybe it's that one out that what you're saying I don't know I I know he did something did the created the Christmas special which you have to find you're on your own wet terms right but I thought he was doing two or three with me was the Christmas special longer it was like an hour and a half okay so maybe that was it but it was a damn good yeah I haven't see her all good I'm nama I don't I don't do those alternative methods we go so no it's just that you have to get a real fancy antenna yeah real fancy hang out of your your apartment exactly pointed toward the other side of the Atlantic so we got um we got some questions from viewers and here's one that I don't even know if you have an answer to it but I'm just gonna lay it out there a lot of our listeners want to know how to like modify stuff and like do DIY stuff but do you have like a TV watching like hack that you do like oh you a lot of people know this but you can I mean I know it's a very specific and strange sort of thing but is there anything that like you as professionals in your industry do you have any like pro tips for people because for me like I get what were you say I mean this is not a hack at all but I mean now I have I have a roku so obviously I can access everything now and then actually have a new pretty new DVR it's time warner that does you can record for shows and watch a fifth which is you know has completely changed everything changed everything so I mean all that stuff is kind of you know anyone can do we're actually the worst people to ask because you get a lot of things yeah we don't want yeah sometimes I'll watch stuff you know three or four weeks before it airs and so it makes life easier to not have to watch everything the night it's only yeah so so my pro tip would be to become a total a journalist and that's a very is actually the answer I liked actually for the screeners I don't know and it's a great job but you know it there are probably other ways to make money in the world that might be better for you I don't know but no they say journalism is dying but you know it's it's not it's it's is it like boxing is here to stay right on um so what about like what's your what's your personal setups like at home do you have like a command center you're like a battle station where you like set up shop and go to work judios right ahead room is my my home ya know so again I just have one big TV i have my DVR I have a Roku I um yeah and that's pretty much and I have like you know some once in a while if I have a screen or that's only online like where I have a link to i'll use my hdmi cord and plug my computer my laptop into my TV so I can sort of watch it on my big TV but so it's not like I'm picturing this like it's not that but I mean you don't have like a command center know and like assume the position you get locked into it's really nice yeah we have tvs & dvrs at our in our office from here as well so I mean I have like three I guess three screens at my my desk here in the office was at my laptop my screen like I do double screen and then i have my TV DVR so with a lot of what are your like pet peeves when you want you have like a like because for me if anyone talks to me during a show i freak out yeah some especially something during like Game of Thrones we're like every line of dialogue is very critical yeah yeah I mean yeah it's it's my mom it's just me and my wife and we are my command station just on the couch and we have a normal-sized television yeah but the giant thing everything but she generally if she's watching something she's she's as engaged as I am so she doesn't talk I remember very clearly being at my mom's house though we were visiting for the season 5 finale of lost and I just told her up front I was like you haven't ever watched this show you're not going to any antennas like so either leave or just don't say a word because you're gonna ruin everything so so yeah that's a big pet peeve but I think that's normal so if you don't want to enjoy something you don't want to be talking through it all again let's pretty much why I don't go to the movies anymore yeah you know it just does it yeah I will tell tales of theaters to my children I know I almost always go to the lincoln center theater on 68 street broadway because the demographic gets a little bit older right generally more respectful though they say to do yeah they say go to like another time I know like retire like a retirement community and the closest theater to that community that's where you should go yeah yeah I found that to be true it's remark although I did see the fault in our stars for some reason on opening weekend there with a bunch of 30 well yeah and that was the work you have to go to the one you have soda the one on eighty-fourth and broadway that I now go to where you get assigned seats and you can recline all back and you don't have to get there early because you already have your seats that's a high near me I want to go to one of those theaters where they serve a whole meal like yeah I've done that yeah that's starting to become at alamo drafthouse there Spence attracting ah depends I ended up in malaya like when the mozzarella sticks come I'm not gonna be paying attention wonder how the waitress I really need your order that's a tough man yeah I'm not trying to make like a five hour excursion you know I don't want to eat through the whole movie or else come out of you rolling out of it just a little snack it needs to be like that needs to be like vacuum tube to you so you just sort of like have it and open it up in your lap this has been great thank you 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