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48 as a young man very sad Scott while and lead singers don't the pods passed away this morning so we just I just want to take a second to say I'm upset about that because that's someone that I felt a close personal sort of relationship with when I was maybe 10 11 12 yeah not so much recently but that's it said they wrote that awesome tunes that's a very sad thing yeah welcome to the 404 show on this Friday December fourth you sound very for clumped now I think it's also because i was getting over so that might be a little calls a little sick thing but i'm i'm here you should i think it's gonna give my voice some character a mite the rest of the show Flemmi character how how you doing man good good we're in the thick of the holiday see this is it i had to walk down Fifth Avenue today it was a nightmare it's so crowded going anywhere where there's like a significant amount of people / shopping stuff is that's the worst thing you can do now especially in New York but we're going to get through it you and I sir at the end of the show when we're done we're off here we got to discuss how we're going to handle this holiday let's trophies in that we're rapid that we're rapidly getting horrific of coz scenic goes into hibernation for a little bit but we're we'll figure something out to keep the people entertained so I want to get our buddy Adam from TV Guide talk about TV of the year cool um what we'll have jordan hoffman back when Oscar season starts to buzz in q1 of 2016 Steve Guttenberg is going to come backs on Shannon cooks gonna come back all your favorites it's like the 404 classic at an all-star cast is going to be with you and then you and I are going to try and pre-record a few holiday episode yep between now in the next two weeks yeah and we're gonna do like short little like morsels yeah like the good old days memories will you do you remember us doing that I mean I was on yeah i was on a few of them I think I did it back to the future one with your Ghostbusters maybe ok so I don't know if I want to do actual um you know I don't found actual movie yeah uh but I definitely want to do like themes sure thematic episodes or if you will um Shakespeare Shakespearean you know sonnet sure have you ever heard of the podcast how did this get made I have heard of that bag and Paul Scheer yes and Jason was yes i love that jason guy Jason Mantzoukas man oh it's easier that to say and I thought yeah man Dukas yeah very funny he's very funny is great I don't watch the league yeah but I know that's what those dues are from I knew Paul Scheer before the league yeah uh and is that his wife on the show as well I'm not sure who I I'm not a regular listener my name is Jude anyway I got turned on to it because they just covered hackers oh right on i love hackers of course you do as everyone between the ages of 25 and 35 does now they kind of bragged on it I mean it's super entertaining it's super entertaining it's also super terrible yeah well it's not a quote good movie right but but there's certain kinds of moments that it creates they were very critical about the production design and artistic direction what can you do when you're showing servers you gotta make it look sorry right and you know I think obviously they brought it up because if it's just recently celebrated its 20-year anniversary yes um it's an important movie for our generation but even when I was 13 watching that movie for the first time I definitely knew like Jacques liberties were being taken yeah like you know we all knew like this movie is over the top fantastic it's a fantasy yeah certain parts I knew the server stuff like where they're flying through the files I knew that was crap but like the cool high end laptop that he had no I girl I could bid that could exist it's playing videos look at that it's pretty cool the internet was not anything recognizable no in 1995 I mean it was it was there and it was it was accessible yeah but not by me like I didn't use the internet probably until 96 maybe really I think so huh I've really started using the internet I don't want to say like religiously but it was more of like oh maybe tonight I'll go on the internet tonight when i get off from school perhaps I'll surf the web I find some good BBS's to discuss my interests on ah and i want to say i started that like 93 you know look at you ahead of the game I'm an Internet oh gee yeah okay guys got ready just Austin you know guys like guys and grat on gals listener to the show we got a voice mail today then we're gonna play later exciting it's been so long it's been so long because they are terrible well we just I mean we appreciate the interest and people leaving voicemails we should say but you need to have a clear concise thesis and point to you calling and I can't really needs to be like discernible I think the voicemail situation perfectly sums up the state of the 404 what's that where it's like so like where we do the show weekly sure we know 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world woke up to the new Batman vs Superman trailer dawn of Justice which which I which I do not give a about right even though you enjoy all of the carrot well Batman certainly you enjoy Batman as a character I enjoy him a great deal I'm psyched that telltale games is doing a Batman right but the idea that this movie is coming out with two superheroes fighting it out does not interest you in the least and that's because of the people involved in it Zack Snyder specifically uh it is I it is a combination of the people involved uh compounded by the fact that Superman is the worst he's pretty bad he is so lame yeah he's only good if you take away his powers like that's the only time he's remotely interesting and then he's just a dude right with glasses like assume that I am a fan of him yeah it drives me crazy yeah maybe someone was like oh you like Superman right and I'm like you shut your flow it's weird because DC has these two monster superheroes and it does seem like people that love Batman don't necessarily love Superman and vice versa like oh how dare you yeah how dare you gerald yeah it seems hard to like Superman he's not the super interesting character so to speak he's the worst nevertheless so what's up there's no trail there's a new trailer and and I wanted to you to experience this live and we'll talk over some of it but I'm sure a lot of you at home have seen it already if you haven't seen it already just google it it's literally everywhere all right so we're gonna watch all it's due to topic in three minutes three minutes long are we gonna do that right now we're gonna do it I feel like people are gonna be pissed nevertheless bat low here we go it's like Batman's driving up to a museum of some sorts of some sort of event you must be new that is first point okay marrow that's Ben Affleck very handsome I don't have any problem with that casting no no it's just it's not Clark Kent Daily Planet what's your position on the bath vigilante in Gotham I just don't think it's fair he gets to do all the city huh very handy appear thinks he's above the law Daily Planet criticizing those who think they're above the laws Oh hypocrite for what yourself it kind of sounds like old Harrison Ford nursing cabinetry you're ready puff piece senatorial about an alien could burn the whole place down most of the growth doesn't share your opinion mr. Wayne maybe it's the Gotham City and me you just have a bad history with freaks dressed like clowns oh he's talking now submit bullies Oh Bruce Wayne meets Clark Kent I love it oh i could not about jesse eisenberg being like Luthor Lex it is a pledge out wow that is a good grip you should not pick a fight with this person that's a reference to the whole theme of the movie what you to not walking by a senator the power can be innocent you're gonna go to war Jeremy Irons is it yeah he's Michael Caine super boss you know you can't win this it's suicide the greatest gladiator match in the history of the world Son of Krypton vs bat of God you're psychotic it was a three-syllable word for any thought too big for little minds time you learned what it means to be a man what's going son I wanted it you be dead already if man won't kill god and so I will do it what have you done oh my god the dinosaurs flegal ha well sign there's it's doomsday but wait and Wonder Woman i wonder when using this I thought yours is here All Right see the kind of reveal that they all team up yeah it's literally the entire movie well sir all right so I'm sorry that was all audio and I'm sure there's people listening or like what the form of these assholes doing well they've see I'm sure the people at home have seen it but now you've experienced it what is your initial tank I ok I don't know the only story I know about went when Batman and Superman get into a pissing contest was the the dark knight returns yeah the Frank Miller one yeah yeah so I only have that to go on it doesn't seem like that's what this is about I thought it was well it's act one is like they are angry at each other probably act when they meet and then then add to their anger each other then act 3 doomsday shows up and they have to unite for why does dooms they show up because they needed essentially a reason to have them team up well essentially yeah because what this does the reason they're doing it like this is because it's setting off this DC Universe they've got their Marvel series right there Marvel equivalent so it sets off the Justice League the problem is it's so clear that that's what's going on that this was like a movie made by committee I mean it's called dawn of Justice right so like movies called beginning of the Justice League and it's it's baffling to me that they revealed as much as they did in that truck like it's crazy how much they show in that trailer to the point where like if there was any mystery at all or any surprise at all like there isn't anymore but i don't it I don't believe Jesse Eisenberg as a villain like that I actually thought he was the only sort of like entertaining part of I don't think he does this like condescending that you know Bazeley thing that's this thing that's default thing and that I don't know if I like that I'll watch this movie will you pay fifteen dollars a pop for this mu no absolutely not not paying me neither and I hated the last one I don't know I think people are really said I've spoken to people that liked Superman the last Superman movie which baffles me but and like think they show car gods corpse right was Lex Luthor gonna like reanimate so that's what happens a parent his dad as I understand un's day is they kind of looked like him right he comes back to life and they're honk why would that happen because magic Jamie's wonder what he just like chilling out this whole you see an alien I don't even know I don't know I don't know anything about comic books Jeff I'm relying on you I don't like DC stuff I only read us Batman right now the only stuff i read superhero is Batman and I read saga right and i read this new one I like called the fade-out right but it's not tied to the major DC can no I don't no one cares about right your DC canon yeah it's i get there people i'm sure they do but you know i don't know what this I don't know what to think or feel right now yeah I thought it was a terrible trailer like I've not liked any of the trailers that came out it was actually a teaser that I kinda liked where Superman ripped Batman's mask off at one point you see that well you see that you see that in this trailer right so is this movie just gonna when they're fighting yeah just gonna be Superman being like I don't want to kill this guy so I'm just gonna leave well there's a line in there that says I could kill you if I wanted to right oh yeah I mean yes the whole back obviously Batman has that soup that's probably kryptonite and emailed it into the source or some crap there absolutely is the problem is having two people that strong fight each other is not interested Batman's not that strong well in a suit potentially he could be this kryptonite suit he's got like a metal suit going on he could be you black iron man equivalent Superman can move planets but his ability varies from movie to movie like he traveled through time in the first movie he hasn't done that sense he can can he move at the speed of light no I don't think so that seems outrageous I believe he had no then he'd be faster than the sun rays hitting him anyone have the power anymore that's when he's moving I feel like wasn't there a movie where he like spun around the earth since we can't turn back to that the first Superman movie he did that because Lois Lane dies in like an avalanche or something and then he spins the earth back away back around and that turns back time because of science that's pretty much how things work if you turn things around again they just revert I think that's why i hate Superman so much because all the storylines in his movies make me want to kill myself yeah it's just like okay so what what is the limit here like where is the stopping point like gray he gets weakened by kryptonite oh then the Kryptonite goes away and then he's like away just any exhibits an entire building and drops it on someone's head like that's the deal yeah like all of his all of his story lines yes and make me feel like what why do I constantly have to like make excuses for this guy and the only as i understand it like for a lot of people the interesting stories around superman cast him as a villain so like what does it read son is like a very popular one where he's essentially like a very foreboding militaristic character which they sort of allude to here where he's got like guards with guns and all sorts of stuff yeah but yeah none of this interest me in the least and the fact that they showed as much as they did that's a very long and very revealing trailer I think the one thing you can take away and i'll obviously watch it again because i'm an asshole but no self-control yeah uh it gives you a little insight as to what kind of uh of Bruce Wayne Ben Affleck is going to be and it sounds like he's going to be like the badass leave me alone Bruce Wayne he's not a wisecracking Bruce Wayne he's like a pissed-off sassy what's your favorite who's your favorite Bruce Wayne I obviously Michael Keaton yeah that's probably my favorite but I mean whatever i'm fine with people taking their own twist on it sure although he's Batman voice is like weirdly robotic it is I don't like so everyone I don't like the everyone's upset when Ben Affleck is was announced as I don't have a product ER he's a good actor I'm a problem with him I like him as an actor as well sure my problem is that we do he get he's mr. Hollywood so it's like you're letting mr. jolly would be Bruce winter at least what's his name of Henry but the bat Superman that Henry Henry Cavill yeah I didn't know you know so you don't have your not thinking oh this is Henry Cavill on screen you're thinking of the Superman I would have taken like Colin Farrell before would have taken yeah Ben Affleck I think a lot of it you want you need a star I think that's part of it is like we essentially that serious doesn't have a star without Batman without you know this dude yeah have fun yeah and they have the luxury of like he's interested in directing a Batman movie and honestly like that's the only thing that could get me interested is like if ben affleck directed because he's a good director he has like two chops where Zack Snyder makes me want to jump off a building man is moving so what's more sad thing is why was dawn of the dead so good yeah and then he proceeded to make box after box he's a shitbox guy it's crazy to me like he had this one rock star amazing great super entertaining movie yeah and then since that has just been I think it's a budget thing I think he get he sees the infinite money they pour on him and he just doesn't know what to do with it so I gotta spend all this kind of like 300 but that's fine that's neither here nor there I feel like how do you screw that movie up yeah I did want to say that we don't have to watch it but someone online actually re-edited that trailer to make it look actually much more interesting and entertaining already yeah it took like six hours it was crazy but they recut it just with oh the way the music builds and like certain cuts and they like cut off the doomsday part at the end you just hear the roar so there's some at least some mystery to it and actually made me like more I mean it goes to show you how important an edit is into impacting like whether you like a movie or not it is a much better edit somebody on reddit made a good point to the line that Lex Luthor has towards the end of the trailer he says the Son of Krypton is that the whatever of god I'm bad of Gotham know why wouldn't you say like the Sun and the night like he's the night oh yeah why not do that a lot smarter it says that might be the line and then studio was like no the people are gonna know when they can buy night well yeah maybe baby here right we'll give them benefit of the doubt yeah um so we're going to pivot into this thing that happened last night real quick before we hit the first break last night our buddy Jeff Keely if you're not aware who jeff Keely is he is I would you describe mr. Kealey he's a he's a video game ambassador yeah I mean he's done video game journalism I mean I have like Church 15 years ago like before he turned into the guy he is and now and for the last I would say decade or so he's been on camera kind of an on camera person for doing video game stuff you know varying between sponsor stuff and vga awards and stuff like that right he sort of made it his mission to legitimize video game award shows yeah no no no easy task he had a deal with Viacom for a while and they seem to have parted ways I do not know the specifics of that relationship nevertheless um last night his produced show the video game awards did happen i think was only streamed was it on TV i think it was only streamed it was the second time they've done it seemed to be a pretty big deal and well yeah I mean they I think honestly I think the reception video game people are not universally a pod they can be very critical myself included and generally people seem to have really liked the production for obviously there was a lot of sponsorship stuff and like you know very clearly like come to the AMD lounge to play battlefront that sort of stuff i were to shoulder with you gotta pay right for it somehow as i understand it jeff actually put up his own money for the first year and did okay with it so that's rule one though yeah you know it's risky so but you can you do get the sense that he really is in it for the betterment of the industry definitely so good for him for doing that absolutely but there was something pretty interesting that happened during the show yeah so yeah metal gear solid 5 which is game came out this year very good game i really enjoyed I know I think maybe also enjoy it enjoy there you go won the award for best action adventure game during this award show but suspiciously the person who made the get the lead guy on the game this guy had a Okajima was not there mmm and it seems that he was banned from attending by his boss Konami right so for a little backstory Konami and mr. Kojima had a big big very publicized falling out here and it got ugly it got really bad yes they were deleting this game called PT that completely w off the face of the planet the kijima made because you know it was part of his contract or whatever and they're just like they're doing weird things where it's like Kaname is saying oh no he still works for us and kojima is like has photos of him at his going-away party right there's a lot of conflicting stories I guess the takeaway and the way it appears the perception the way it sort of reads is that he was kind of blackballed yeah and you know he's sort of just and he's probably under still under contract right whatever the years whatever it is and he's and I guess they're just like painfully waiting for this contract to expire what it seems like it's happening yeah and they don't seem to care that every step every decision they've made with regards to him has made them look really really bad why should they care yeah I mean they're they're obviously not going to win any you know personality award but why should they care I mean you're right you're sold really well it's doing really well they're making money hand over fist yep apparently there's there's a lot of news reports that they treat a lot of their employees like but whatever yeah that they don't you know I guess you can say for whatever that's not cool but it's not hurt from their standpoint that is not affecting the bottom line yeah they're going to continue to play this you know petulant toward a game with kojima and contractually legally he was not even allowed to represent the game and accept the award at the award show last night uh this is a quote from the video game rewards mr. kijima had every being with us tonight but unfortunately he was informed by a lawyer representing Konami just recently that it would not be allowed to travel to tonight's award ceremony to accept any awards he's still under an employment contract and it's disappointing I kind of wish he did like a Bobby Valentine move where he just showed up in a mustache that would have been okay that would have been all right can you believe but how dickish that makes Kaname look that they don't care I mean even like all this stuff why they don't care is because they're moving their entire business into mobile yeah and so none of these franchises matter them because they're making money hand over fist with like really schlocky mobile stats bad stuff so it's like sad but what are you can at whatever the upshot of all this kajima will be fine and he's only authorized in his life and he's easy to go Kickstarter a ten-million-dollar baedal gear for ya starring solid Drake yeah yeah all right we're gonna take break when we come back a lot more to talk about please stay with us we'll be right back so you remember in duck tales when Scrooge McDuck had this number one dime and it was like the first time he ever made super proud of that dime you wanted to hold it on to hold on to 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brain trees gonna hook it up all it takes is one integration it's simple line of code and Braintree is then gonna help you except over 130 payment platforms that's a lot that's a lot learn more about how your company can grow with Braintree visit braintree payments com /c net hey welcome back to the 404 show thank you so much for being with us on this Friday December fourth holidays kicking into high gear medium gear I don't know about high gear we're in a low gear for now yeah it's slow down after Thanksgiving oh you I you spending money on cyber monday I did actually I did good I actually walked into it I haven't done this in years I actually walked into a store on Cyber Monday well that's okay because I'll wait no sorry that was bike Friday I actually spent money on by friday and I never ever do that you should do that in person in person IRL IRL we're at gamestop okay I needed a ps4 controller and I was like and it was on sale how much 40 bucks that's not bad yeah not bad traditional black ones you're gonna know tradition I asked to see it cuz all the other controllers I needed a fourth controller and all my other doors are black but the deal only applied to black controllers alright so there you go I felt a little bit bad because once you go to there's one in Forest Hills they're like a few blocks from my apartment is crazy no it's quiet cuz it was at 4pm I wasn't good door busting I'm not there at 3am to get crazy moronic deals I just went in it's a friday i just walked in i was working that day my my soon-to-be sister-in-law yeah she's got those she what she's actually a crazy by friday person yeah and I know my brother's gonna hear this is gonna play play this conversation for okay she's crazy I saw her I don't like our Friday night yeah it's all like popped up so she got all the deal she's up she's I feel like she was up or for a time I saw her she we had been up for like 19 hour I need to know how like does she keep track of how much she's saving it I mean it's legit like she she guess you could save some money but like I don't know I feel like people end up buying a lot of stuff that they wouldn't ordinarily by so in the long run you're really not well I would imagine unless you're not unless if you're not a pro like her right I'm gonna cuz she has been doing this for so long that like they have a very methodical plan of attack so they like splits up people I don't they go with like a crew cuz I feel like they do a lot of char she was telling me I Macy's and she spent I feel like she saved like 800 like she she bought all this stuff yeah and then when she finally revealed the price for it all yeah I was like oh wow ok that sounds litter I mean I'm not saying there's not deals to be had yeah saying to me I just aged like not food why am i waking up at 1am to go to a store in the freezing cold that's my mentality right and I get that and I've never done it and I'm sure there's a thrill to it too uh and there's adrenaline yeah and all that but the way what she was describing it was pretty gnarly and I was like all right it's legit it's still fun to make fun of her absurd because you're like oh because when we saw her on Friday night when I was back in mall row yeah she was like jacked up on something it had been she'd been up for like 19 hours and she was like boom boom and I'm just like she's gotta be done by probably 10 a.m. that day right like she's not going to another store after she picks her I don't know I don't know when she finna I know she like got to lay down for a little bit but i don't think i don't know i don't know it's just I had noisy she stopped by one the thing that goes give it more crazy think it was that is so there's deals on so everyone that granted they are not the insane crazy Dora doorbuster deals that they have on black friday but like consider the difference like let's say there are twenty percent more expensive on cyber monday still like that twenty percent you're paying for the luxury of not having to make yourself miserable for a day and that is a good thing to spend on like I went nuts on Cyber Monday man you got a lot of stuff 600 bucks what did you get I just got a lot of clothes yeah I bought cologne weird I just started going crazy yeah that's what happens you see all these deals and you like feel like you need to take advantage of them I'm a big t-shirt guy and there was just one side I buy a lot of t-shirts from yeah six dollar t-shirts man how much they normally like 15-20 yeah that's pretty good deal you know yeah I went a little crazy I spent a lot of money you know you're helping the cops treating myself treat yourself right uh so this is uh this is something I saw a headline of the other day and I was like oh my god that's kind of crazy uh or some kind of miss all this in a forum somewhere someone brought up the idea you know it's entirely possible in the next toy story movie yeah that there could be Star Wars toys Oh a hundred percent it's not entirely possible it is a hundred percent thing that's definitely gonna have definitely a hundred percent can have its gonna be like a little storm trooper for sure or a little darth vader that like tries to force choke one of the toys get a one hundred percent good how could you not how could you not it's so easy and even if it's not like one of the main character like you could potentially see one of the droids or something being like in the new gang of toy story movies yeah and the toy store a gang is it were but even if it's just like a throwaway gag like take it to one of a now they're making one movie a year for the next infinity they've literally said we'll just keep making them song as they're interested so it would star wars so of course they're just going to jam it into whatever they want to do do you think JJ Abrams looks like a Dick Tracy villain I mean I don't know that many Dick Tracy villains offhand most of them are like gangster looking guys and then there's blank who's just like looks like Rorschach right no blank has a blank face doesn't have like a hood over his face well in the movie was it was Madonna right cuz he had a hood over his face she she but that was that was a twist right she know she wore a hat the blank wore a hat okay it was like oh yeah big boy so what is it about JJ Abrams that you think makes him look a good villain from Dick Tracy I just I think he's just and I hate to just make fun of people's appearances sure he's just a funny-looking dude I don't think he looks that weird he's not like Steve Buscemi looking weird where that's like his you know he's got this Lyle Lovett thing going on too no we does not look as bigger it as well I love it well the hair a little bit that's just it's just the hair is like standing up hair there was a look like flat top just the hair so you're just going this based on the hair and he's got like a he's got like a meatball nose a little bit he's never coming on the show name I don't I don't see it I would be honest if I did should I not look same I'm just having fun looks pretty joking around it's weird that I don't know it's weird that you're saying it because I don't think he's identified but he's not like identifiably ugly like I was just watching this commercial with fern espresso with George Clooney and Danny DeVito okay we talked about that how it's supremely strange that commercial it's really bizarre it is like I go on youtube and watch the George George Clooney a daddy defeat of espresso cover and I watched it a second time the best is at the end he just like walks into scenery right oh really weird it's so weird and I was watching a second time I was like are they is this george Coney like handing over the Nespresso advertising deal to Danny DeVito so now George Clooney's out is that was that like passing the torch oh he had done he did so George pony's been an espresso guy for a while and the best part about Danny DeVito's appearance is that it's Frank Reynolds in it that's not Danny DeVito well no I mean he brought him in a suit or is Danny DeVito in real life Frank Randall possible I did see a photo of him like barefoot walking his dachshund through me yes I saw that too it was very hot barefoot not know but he definitely look like Frank Reynolds TV yeah his hair was Frank Reynolds e ne and his dachshund was wearing like a tutu yeah but while I was watching that commercial i was thinking okay clearly they're making the twins reference where george clooney is like the gorgeous guy and dana's videos like the schlub yeah and how Mike is Danny of you okay with that at this point like is he just like yeah that's me I'm like kind of like a little troll man I guess he definitely I mean I'll come on this entire career yeah yeah I would just feel kind of bad i don't know there's really not one movie where he's not playing like a sniveling weaselly little runt yeah and that's and and and and that's not including the right on the nose penguin bro yeah right yeah I mean that's just this thing right that's how he does a great accurate is a good director yeah he's done some really good stuff yeah that's funny yeah oh man I don't know how we got into that JJ room is no Danny DeVito is what I was trying to say chage he looks like I don't know go watch go watch Dick Tracy ok ain't broke you guys up front the back the movie to come out the Warren Beatty movie that that's where I'm getting it from ok I haven't seen that movie in about 20 years it's amazing it's a good it's very good you don't think it's good I adds 20 years ago I don't know Pacino this big boy I forgot he was even in it we got output you remember Madonna and down her Dustin Hoffman's in it yeah well um it got panned if I remember and I think it also did not make a lot of money i think was it bomb i remember this must admit it must have been like 1990 yeah I'd say it's about 1991 maybe um yeah it's a nineteen ninety film it didn't get great reviews but I just remember there being like a lot of cool stuff about it because it was it had like these really nice hand-drawn scenery yeah painted scenery things oh yeah kind of like ahead of its time in that way yeah I mean Danny Elfman's does the score in it too I don't know enough about Dick Tracy like he does he just go into a room and just machine gun the hell out of everybody that seems like an easy solution he just like takes the law into his he'll name but he's got like double machine guns he's always got a tommy gun a tommy gun so like you know Batman has a challenge ahead of himself he get dick tracy kicked the door down just machine guns the world the funny thing about Dick Tracy is that he they treat I don't know man it looks like a detective right a lot of money at the box office did it it made 162 million ok back down that's a fair to had a 50 million dollar budget though yeah but um know what's cool about Dick Tracy is like they stay desensitize violence in a way that like when people get peppered with like tommy gun yeah it's just like Oh bad guys dead is like no blood or anything right like the way uncharted truth yeah it's just like it's not wise crack yeah he might as well just be playing like sound effect anyway there's Dick Tracy for you um I want to get into a conversation about I guess I was going to use like the toy story still any that would've been the Segway parlayin to know but you started insulting JJ from sound dude I'm just saying kind of looks like it's actually fun just I don't know what I want to call him I like a lot of his movies I have nothing against the guy sometimes people I have a thing where I sit I always say like oh that guy looks like this guy ok or looks like this or some that's your thing that's right thing we're like TL he looked like a pineapple yeah something like that wow you know I don't want to ask whatever it is ah so I want to get into like all right here's a little backstory ok I've been looking for something in my house what is it it's instant it's not important I'm small ok let's say it's a postcard ok but it's not is it a postcard with the inverted Jenny on it it's postcard with the super rare stamp of the upside down plane what's that it's the inverted jetty it's the most the rarest stamp in the world why do you know that the rarest day of the world it's the protiv sorry go ahead that's weird you know that I can't find it ok it was on my so I'm less obsessed with finding this danger and more obsessed with the fact that I can see it in my head I can where you left it when I close my eyes I can feel it and I know exactly what it looks like sure but i have i've become obsessed and overtaken by the fact that i simply cannot find ok so for the art for argument's sake i'm going to imagine this is a brick of cocaine no it is insignificant it is not about the thing sure it's about the fact that I lost but it would have to be something somewhat like valuable to you to care enough that you've been obsessing over lose no because I don't care if I ever find it okay it's more that I can't believe that I had it yeah knew where it was sure I keep a lot I have a lot of in my apartment it's no see it's it's tight y'all do it's not a mess on a mess not a rat the but there is a fair number if there's a lot of right we need a house sure uh and I know where certain things are yeah and I place things because I know where they go yeah this thing I can't find ok so let's look at variables you have a dog in the house could have eaten that though he doesn't do that but this is a simple man gyros a is a textbook case of it has been misplaced and I just it just drives me crazy yeah that I can't just get the thing that I want to get back because it's gone was it thrown out yeah I guess I just want to know what the hell it is postcard oh it is literally a postcard okay fine the postcard with a bunch of stickers on it okay and I remember being like all I want to put a sticker shirt on my hockey helmet and you don't have and you don't have like the drawer where you write placeable I understand but you don't have the drawer were you like shove do the random stuff and I do and you've looked through that drawing in there a tanner I have a lot of places like that yeah and I have a mental inventory right of what all of those places contain yeah and I simply cannot find this there's no way that Stacy threw it out it's possible just say that seems possible did she know of its value to you it's a good question we talked about it after the fact we talked about it last night for about five minutes and she yeah she said oh no maybe I did throw it out but I don't but she doesn't remember throwing that yeah because it's insignificant it's a postcard why would she even think about it but I first stuff out all the time but I think if she saw it yeah she would have been like Oh Jeff probably wants us the front or the back so maybe that's in significant really fun besides images like a devil's thing and just really into this he would want to keep pecking explain it help me find it yeah i mean i don't know it's been a really long time since i've had that situation cuz i'm very good and i'm very good okay all the more upsetting right the last time i lost like something was when i left a bat this is like eight or nine years ago something of value was when i left a bag full of like my digital camera i was like going coming back from the airport and left it on the train ah and it was gone meanwhile my fiance alex has lost her bag numerous times on the subway and invariably there's good samaritan good cop somebody finds it has everything label everything's still there all the cash is still there like but may the one time i leave something somewhere gone gum friggin unbelievable I got a guy yeah buddy who left in 1995 yeah left his entire CD book collection on a plane okay from that point on yeah it changed his musical taste because he had lost all that music everything and you don't you don't feel right about rebe eyeing albums he already bought you feel like an ass so it changed we're rock and roll to rap to hip-hop that's really weird isn't that weird yeah yeah well losing things you lose a piece of yourself but then you find another piece of yourself when God closes a door he opens a window that's not a thing I i'm pretty sure cold out there so he opens a window I'm gonna find this thing okay but it's gonna be when I don't want to find right it's gonna show up when I don't but I don't know it's gonna be covered in cockroaches I've turned my apartment inside out sure looking for the stupid thing yeah I did I spent like two hours yesterday yeah it's crazy yeah am I crazy a little it and well again more obsessed with the fact that I'm have such a good track record I know I'm trying I am 100-percent the same way and it would drive me up a wall like when I get like a bug for that stuff when there's something that like I need to find I don't know where it is and even if it's like eleven o'clock at night it like keeps me up like I'll walk around like a madman for an hour trying to find it or I just get like very weird about this there is something about that like I and I don't want to you know trivialize OCD and say that sure I know that's not a very PC way of doing things yeah and I think that terminology has just sort of been like you know it's an anxiety yeah I wouldn't necessarily diagnose it as a solution it's an anxiety thing where it's like you put so much effort and time into this thing which is to say not losing stuff that when it goes awry you feel like the screw-up is even more major whereas most people feel like yeah whatever exactly yeah like not finding this thing yep I'm gonna be okay yeah but inside it's like even this morning now I went through a storage room in them in the office cuz like i got maybe friday Brian let's not be on me Wow driving me crazy um alright i'll keep i'll keep everyone updated on that ok serious stuff pressing ok and check that stamp because it could be worth a lot of money maybe it's this damn it could be the Sam why Russ fresh dick yeah this is a today I learned why is a second hmm the thing that a minutes got 60 out an hour's got 60 0 yep why is a second call the second did you read it already know you want to guess sec it never even occurred to me that the name had a meaning was like that convenes to it does me too good but there's 60 sure seconds right to me is it like a like a bipartisan a thing like we're like two of these things is one second no okay I was a good guess that was an interesting guess why is now idea no a second is the second division of an hour after a minute what if that that that is that you said that I heard it it may not have seen it so a you have an hour hour whatever it is when you do you divide an hour in two minutes right and you divide assess like the second level of inception for an hour cisely is a second that's why it's called second todayilearned it's interesting I never occurred to me that that had a meeting so then why yeah and why is it by our and not like a day like wouldn't I mean there's a lot of words on the page that I generate over the top level is an hour yes so how come a minute shenzhen first right like there's right it should be first in our weird isn't an hour a division of a day right so that's the for a second third what a day yeah i guess a day is technically a measurement of time sure and a pretty universal one like people came up with day before they came up with our when i was in college i had like serious anxiety anxiety but like serious stoner e conversations about like the existence of time like everyone goes short everyone reads a free feel most boring thing ever is that boring not when you're 10 knowing your 20 yeah you're 21 char you're like starting to understand the world and sober in the judge yes hopeful so we're like I this is in college I made a student film yeah about these like three guys who became obsessed with the fact that time wasn't real okay maybe then they like went insane about it what is that did you make that super cheap time travel movie that everyone loves oh that's no but that's called uh what is that called prime prime yeah yeah I'm primal is asleep Ron I think it's so I might have been a second movie at oh so I'm like yeah yeah crazy Austin 16 feel like I was very into like donnie darko at the time her and but don't write it off I know it's just I know is that a unique thing to be like I 20 year old into Donnie Darko in the mid to late 90s early two thousand have that DVD but like I you can still talk about the fact that like we did invent that right like yes time is real things age and like we remove in one direction yeah but like the concept of like keeping track of it is invented it's or is it not we're like the Sun hits the same part of the sky every day and you can never get to metric that up in writing it's increments well it's also measurable in the sense that like a mile is measurable right Mike distance and time I mean they're 20 year old Jeff yeah had a lot of obsessions about fourth dimension right a lot of obsessions about like oh it's not real you know that's yeah did you identify with Donnie Darko and is like rabbit quest no no wake up Donnie sure it's great movie that it is a good movie i like it you you it's impossible to dislike that movie if you're 18 10 yeah right that's the thing you're watching it it's like no it's still good good it's got great performance it does it really does like Idris way she's like very good in that as a pet oh yeah and I mean Jake Gyllenhaal that's like a breakout breakout movie uh there's a lot of other act of Drew Barrymore yep as a danger um so kind Nolan no or not no Noah the teacher oh the guy from ER ya know whatever my wild no Wiley Wiley ya know like uh there's a lot of good performance than that it is enjoyable and it was sort of in that sweet spot of like a knee it was sort of like it was a pious Lee after like the pulp fiction era of indie movies right but they sort of like died down and that was definitely one of those cult favorite indie movies for sure yeah give them donnie darko enough love on the show we're gonna take one more break stay with us a lot more fun to hit right after this you know Russ I used to talk a lot of smack about these online website builders yeah you should think they weren't powerful enough I think yeah it was just like these super basic templates right I'm like oh yeah you know I'm better off using HTML myself know it and I know how to do it I can make things like out I can do all that I know I know all of the color codes by heart I know all those six yuusha 4839 hashtag fbv whoa yeah so try me I'm what's up but that information can only take you so far that's why I you squares me all right Squarespace is a very simple elegant easy to use interface and it helps you create professional-looking websites regardless of your skill level you don't need coding 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marijuana oh hey this is Cleveland from Katie I was just listening to your podcast from friday about why Ohio didn't legalize marijuana and as someone who actually voted against three legislation I wanted to give you guys a little clue as to why for well over the last decade I thought that it should be legalized and was thrilled when I heard that it would be a ballot measure in Ohio however when I actually have the legislation it created a monopoly where can people advil inflation was written with basically just the right to say I want to grow marijuana on my land would be permitted to do so and no one else would in four years if they supposedly couldn't keep up with it then they could add one more for the entire state what it created a monopoly it wasn't about the legalization if it was it would have been fantastic it was actually just about a business practice which was really sad that they took this issue and made it something completely different wow so hopefully we'll have against in 2016 with some different people are in charge advantage of this time harga day that's crazy so this is crazy on so many levels first of all great great voice my grade voicemail Katie this is what we're talking about thank you so much for taking thank you so much for taking time for calling in for laying it out there and explaining it to us because you know what this is effing crazy that's crazy it's crazy one because the how could how could this be what that's it yeah that's what this freakin thing was and yeah that's what's crazy number two the fact that the national press coverage of Ohio voting down pot was just that headline sure like it wasn't about the monopolistic thing that I'm sure I mean I someone did that and talk about like I read an actual target that said no right and say the specifics right it said no this is they don't want to happen not about the fact that it was only going to be grown by like a handful of people right it's crazy i would have 0 today on that too totally it def allow it definitely reeks of you know you have lobbyists of whatever these ten people that spend a bunch of money to get this law passed because they were like oh we are going to be the owners of water essentially like we will command like these ten people will be all oligarchs to the weed empire in ohio who is that okay and I mean that's clearly why I got pushed forward and that's awful because obviously that ends really poorly the other weird thing is granted i'm sure they would have gotten a lot of money from these ten people but you would think the state would get way more money by having it taxed all like across the state for everyone you know so like if every they have all these like legitimate like a liquor store equivalent for weed and all that stuff is being taxed but like why having it come from like ten farms rather than like all of the points so you can have you know competitive prices and Baba like that's very strange and weird and yeah I don't know so makes perfect sense why people voted it down I am educated now when you have ID when you find out the real story you're like oh right okay yeah yeah they good good on you oh I think they would just follow the model of these states that have done it successfully and like past those law at which they probably will the next time they try it like what yeah yeah lo it's just a shame where it's gonna be another four years before they can put the ballot up again I don't know no I think you do it next year every year or every two years I don't know that's how that works laws laws I gotta watch that schoolhouse rock episode again feat I look I don't claim to be a scholar in that department but i'm pretty sure laws can be voted on once a year my lecture on election day okay right well not yeah maybe i don't know yeah we honestly don't know the answer there's a lot of things we don't know ladies and gentlemen but that's okay yeah um this is a weird story Russ let's put this on Facebook first oh yeah and I kind of became a little obsessed with it yeah because I like scary stuff sure so I don't remember where this city is where is this located I don't know either well the link is in there what's up oh the link is in there yeah yeah yeah okay let's so there's a dude we're going to confirm the city in a second but there's a dude in this city that essentially has been dressing up as a clown not a friendly to Wisconsin way it's in Wisconsin hold on I want to pronounce this Wicca Shah Wow good shot what it's java shah and of the Wabash about Max revealed man city very cocky Shah Baba uh no it's yeah waukesha ok well there's a gentleman in waukesha gentlemen a guy i mean i don't know i don't want to judge who has been better let the judge of this boy he's been dressing up as a clown and a pretty scary clown at that and just sort of standing around he's not threatening anybody he's just standing on street corners and sort of looking in your general direction okay when you say he's dressing up as a clown yeah you are painting a picture of a man in a rainbow suit no I think people understand it's a scary clown so it's like the clown from like it yeah it's like the it clown okay hurry and it's also as I wouldn't confirm that this is not Kim curry 22 occurs in a bad place I know but maybe he's doing okay now maybe he's he's I'm pretty sure he's not doing this in waukesha right okay um the week so he's wearing the it clown mask shark and then he's also wearing like almost like a a polygamy dude it's like an orange jumpsuit yeah it's creepy and yeah it's scary I would definitely be a little put off by that the amusing thing is that you can't really do anything about him because what he's doing is not illegal he could stand somewhere and like so long as he doesn't mess with people yeah but I'm pretty sure and again I do want to protect these guys right sure but there probably comes a point where he's now a public nuisance and like and what is the definition of that though that's the way waukesha interpreted town bylaw know it seems like a bit of a slippery slope like oh that guy's wearing a sweater that we don't like let's throw him in jail yeah I mean you're right if he's not bothering anyone he could be like if he's going up to people in their cars and he's knocking on their nose he's not doing that that's a problem but he's not doing that he's just sort of being creepy in public right which yeah he's allowed to do that and what's even better is the the police quote on this article essentially they so I spoke to the parents apparently according to the article he's developmentally disabled okay so they spoke to the parents of the guy that's doing this and they said basically they said yeah it'd be super great if you could not do that video real favor to us if you cannot do because they have no other recourse all they all I can do is like ask nicely I feel like this if this keeps going on for like another year this becomes a tourist attraction people just like flock to see this kit and then it's good for them then it becomes a common goal yeah he's like the thing of what else is going on at Wickett sha-sha Wisconsin nothing there you go and he's got a clown a freak on you don't even need to book him for your party he just shows up yeah it's a weird G doors over the fence feel like he'd been doing this before well there's this is not the first time we've heard this is actually been a thing over the last couple years where people have dressed up like clowns and like gone into graveyards or like just like been generally creepy so it sort of been a thing but this is the most recent incident and again there's like not a whole lot you can do about it you know they're talking to a bunch of people uh who I've seen him there's a good shot online of him just sort of standing there but you know what are you gonna do you know what do you think Jeff would you arrest him no man you gotta follow the law man yeah he's not like you know I would I think eventually like the guy if it becomes a thing where it's like yeah it's it's people are concerned about their safety yeah but it but if there's he's not actually doing anything he's just standing there yeah guess why he's allowed to do that yeah you're also allowed to go up to him and yell at him like you could do that he do you think he is what the framers of the Constitution imagined when they were writing it up yep like freedom of speech because generally there's going to be this person that wants to dress up as a clown and just sort of stand there or we who are we to stop that initiative amen to stop that head slavery we're not super sure about right all men are created equal right that's hard your self determine for yourself yeah all right let's get to your product hunt game of the week yeah be done with another excellent episode so product hun i work at product hunt you can check out I don't need the laptop I'm given it I know it all but that's just prime calm you can check out the games product on calm / games but we also do tech stuff but for games this week is a game called don't starve shipwrecked you find out don't starve you've likely played don't starve it's a pretty popular game survival really cool art style it's like hand-drawn art style can I say something absolutely I didn't like don't starve too hard for you yeah yeah got too hard yeah too much work it's a lot of work it's a lot of busy work folk it's not busy work because it has to be very I'm calling shenanigans on this game what do you mean I know your fiance she loves it she absolutely that has had that has impacted your your editorial the show it doesn't matter that and I'm calling check shenanigans we have a shenanigans button against Christian elegance one push the button she does not listen to share so it does not matter why because it wouldn't impact you know if she was listening to show maybe i would pick nails that you would like I assume not what's his show yeah what the hell she's I don't know she likes NPR so do i but why don't listen to us either but but Stacy listens I know she's very supportive maybe when we get married you think it's show actually when Stacy listens cuz she feels bad yes you think it's like a a pitiless the pay wasn't 100% think my brother too yeah the whole family the whole bag my buddy Bobby nobody really gets kick out of it I think he does Bobby loves I love Bobby alright uh and Sarah's being this is a very cool game it's may actually by the people it's an expansion for don't starve it's made by the people that made super time force its capybara games I don't like super time for you I like about their first game sword and sorcery yes you like that so it's the same team did they do they do guacamelee no they did not that's drink box drinkbox made guacamole so if you like don't starve this is definitely worth checking out it adds a bunch of like seafaring stuff you're essentially like and like tropical island be stuff it's it's cool it's like a really cool addition and i really like don't start so but Alex like salt all right there you go we're gonna have to take that no I'm killing thanks for the product hunt game of the week product calm / games check it out there that's going to do it for us guys 866 404 cnet hit us up go to our sub reddit reddit com / r / the 404 we have an action we do we want to give them people an action plan to leave voicemails yet what oh like craziest thanksgiving story we could hear 3z thanksgiving stories what have you lost oh yeah what if you lost resign um and what others that what are their pity things do you do for your significant other yes doesn't maybe all three for example stacy listens to 404 yeah out of pity yeah she's like you still doing this yeah oh how excuse me one day to play destiny week oh my god really you're only lastly does anyone know well rating is one week one day week otherwise I I'll sneak in video game time you're there but like that's I shut down the TV that and so it begins Russ you were well on your way down a very difficult path Stacey's not gonna like that no I'm talking about other people I've heard and and yeah that's how you get in touch with the show also on our subreddit we are taking submissions for thematic episode I do yeah please I had one the other day yeah and then you lost it I lost I'll also all right next question so help us find those and submit that to the subreddit we will be back next week and then I think the 18th will be Steve working Shannon and everyone else I will let you guys know what's going on until then i'll check back well im Ross rustic this has been the 404 show high tech lowbrow will see you guys next time