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it is Wednesday Wednesday yeah when's thats Wednesday September 14th I for another episode of the 359 podcast with Roger tang Ben Fox Rubin and special guest mr. Scott's died so it's good music happy Wednesday everyone had Beyonce yeah we're almost through don't say that yeah we know when I was here that know like a moratorium on that yeah we're gonna give you notes later than one hell of a hump day yeah all right well there we go up so we're all work we've got Scott Stein so we will take advantage of his expertise on the Apple watch your ma to me yes no no let's dive in yeah I wanted to speak we're gonna do a little bit intro we're gonna go into the podcasts what we talked about the watch and then after work we're gonna take questions from viewers so if you have any questions leave them in the comments section our producer Brian will pick out the best ones and Scott will answer all of them I'm going to do basically an all SmartWatch yell I'm our guest today we talking about Scott's Apple watch series to review Ross I'm talking about a story that I wrote looking at the dearth of Android wear dirt watches darn earthing look at you Dorothy enjoy yeah just by acid with s 80 s say they all gone where of the Android watches guy exactly whether it every time that's that let's save all this energy for the pot so listen so if you have any questions or want to know what the hell happened to the motor 360 the huawei watch or the LG or bane whatever leave them in the comments section will get to obey LTE or pain LTE second edition right second edition leave them in the comments that way out of my league we will we will enter these questions after the podcast so a Brian whenever you're ready ok good roll let's start recording in three two welcome to the 329 when we talk about the top tech news of the day all the crap you want to throw in I'm Roger Cheng I'm Ben Fox Rubin and with us is special guest Scott Stein's I yeah happy to be here you know that let the mocking begin so are scotland's here Scott is here specifically to talk about the the review of the walk Apple watch series 2 which is out today I just came out today the day momentum you can also on on friday right so what number six god what did you think so oh I liked it and it is definitely better however if you have an Apple watch original just update the software yeah everyone's like do you get the new one no unless you like are desperate to swim with one like really swim with one or you are a GPS person I might actually take up swimming just because of a pelagic because it says you can yeah yes and they were like they're swimming wearables already but there aren't that many of them and and we actually need you a lot more swim tracking one thing I am NOT a gym person I try I fail but also we were doing like four products in a week so we are going to be doing a lot more of that testing and seeing us going to a lot more of that testing running but bottom line in water it's fine bottom line though is this is this a watch for not someone who's not an Apple watch owner now like is this a watch worthy of investment uh it's a lot of money that's a thing but if you were looking for I think it's the best SmartWatch right now let's talk about dollars and cents what's the cheapest price I can get this thing for 369 for the thirty eight millimeter it's a lot of money 400 for the one that's the size that I would want to wear which is a 42 millimeter then you're going to go to stupid tan with all that with all the different but ceramic one right that that way at least more yeah at least there's no 17 thousand dollar gold dishes they was good I that one yep you're all set I do not like any of the high price smartwatches you know I understand the idea I guess but I mean they're collectors item weirdnesses I would go for the Affordable thing especially if you're using this for sports stuff you get the aluminum that's a lot of money right other than the swim proofing what did other killer features are we getting with this new watch right so it's really a sport edition thing you're talking about like the swim proofing which is just generally good for water resistance in electronics I like that trend um GPS which is on a ton of fitness trackers already but a lot of smartwatches they actually Andrew where have been starting to include it Apple integrates it although we haven't seen in all the apps and then it's a brighter display so you can see it better in broad daylight it's faster to so that what that means between that and the watch os3 is the thing was so slow right last year right and now it's doing a lot better job handling everything including siri the apps though have not all been updated to take advantage so to kind of see how it's really going to perform but it just feels like it's working better mmm so shifting gears well laid before we do that all right you can listen to the boys are we do need to listen to and then it is this that's a the sound of how much expelling water that's so on if you happen to swim with it you know I don't think you have to do that but it clears out the speaker um totally weird it's a your jacket is now dry that's what it's like the feature a nice yeah right alright so shifting gears I wrote a piece looking at sort of the lack of Android wear watch updates coming for this holiday season you know the notable names LG motorola huawei right don't have any new watches for the holiday season a sous does but no look is one of Sue's whoo ah but susan lee because it's cheap but a hardcore watch people look at our like the thing with cheap smartwater think of it is the it's a broader issue for me like the people you care about smart watches Apple watch included like that i would say question okay outside of the apple watch i would say no they don't care about smart watches but they still care about what Apple is doing with its watch I would say that's a little different and I've seen two different camps on it I've seen people who say sky I've taken off my Apple watch I am perfectly fine I'm never wearing that thing again and other people are like no sky I wear this thing all the time I really like it it's great and I'm like I bring up something I have an issue with and they're like no no it's great and so it depends on how people adapt to it battery life still to me is a big issue yeah so I talked to the butcher I talked to a bunch of the companies and I think they acknowledged on those issues battery life the size just getting these components down to a size that actually is more manageable for a lot of people like a samsung galaxy with the gear s3 its massive yeah so it's still an issue I think smartwatches definitely a long way to go bring it home baby for more about all this Apple watch series 2 smartwatches check us out on Cena I'm Roger Cheng I'm Ben Fox Rubin I'm Scott Stein thanks for listening and let's delve into the comet all right but so fast yeah I know really and that was long yeah I read that were I well along too yeah man don't forget okay good show so first of all could you run the audience through what different water tests you put the watch through because they're saying like how waterproof is waterproof it's not waterproof but right water-resistant okay so they're right water-resistant so we actually going to be doing a lot more water tests during the time that I used it I used it for I mean nothing like the 50-meter stuff that you know we're eventually going to have to you know look at pressure in almost things but you know I kept it in a you know water sink for a while like you know a guy was like seven more like 15-20 minutes I showered with it and and I you know just worried as I would normally wear it now swimming we still need to do and that was those mentioning as you need to swim test when you do all that so stay tuned and also about how it does swim accuracy for fitness tracking because they claim the algorithms on that are really good for calories we were in a super short time frame for this I think was about two days less than the normal review time frame yeah they would get for four products so it was kind of like we're putting this out but we're also going to be updating it most importantly we've not looked at apple watch series one at all and I feel like that's going to be the one that people are going to want to get if they get one because you give up the swim tracking but it's probably gonna perform similarly so stay tuned for that and also we want to see how the original apple watch handles watch os3 holden series one is a new product yeah just the last year's model no they updated the prot they upgraded the processor in there to what they say is the same processor that's in this year but it lacks gps and lexie pass but it's a little weird because the any get confirmation from apple yet but if you look on the specs page it's like it says s2 chip for series 2 s 1 p-4 series 1 and i'm looking well and there's no look there's no benchmark you're going to run like a right geekbench for Apple watch um so I don't be fusion right so I don't know what that means they still claim up to fifty percent faster and then watch os3 is already making things faster because it load stuff in the background yeah that's how it that's what it means by fast is not really like starting an app from scratch will still cause the churn wheel a little bit but it it front loads all the apps that are in your dock to always be available no cash is that okay all right that's a long answer sir list for the 859 no no that's out that fine how fragile is ceramic is it as fragile as the jet black no so the Apple boasted ceramic is what is a four times stronger than steel etcetera doesn't explain how necessarily scratch proof scratch resistant it is but ceramic is super tough they said they talked about this whole like bonding process with the powder or whatever at the ilume whatever they put in there for that ceramic material so I mean for the price you're paying the jet black is the same cost as a regular iphone that's just a new anodizing aluminium process right a like kind of tried to make it look lacquered the ceramic is a much tougher material so it should be fine however I can't say how it scratches or even how it lasts because we haven't worn one we have one of the one of the points we brought up the Apple watch earlier that the whole swim resistance thing allowed our commenters mentioned they didn't really want to go swimming with it not because of the water but they were afraid over my leg not gonna get the pool or scratches that well I don't know is that I mean do you think that's without risk that's still about risk if it's a valid risk when you wear the watch around like I keep knocking mine into doorknobs it's nothing like what they like well I don't talk all my doorknob impacts your door dogs are actually all die can you get everybody's fill it or not we're just clearly the wall is i scratch against walls and railings and um so you know it's the wood is that their eye on X which is like a gorilla glass variant for the front you get the you get the sapphire crystal still on the steel and the ceramic variants which is more scratch resistant because people have talked about the fact that there are scratches that do pop up on the sport series watches yeah um I haven't heard of any shattering but um as opposed to I don't know for some reason I feel like there haven't been many like shattered Apple watch images I've it's interesting that might mean that the newest apple watch still doesn't have corning's newest glass which is the sr3 and that was in that was in a gr s3 the gear s3 and that's supposed to be sr means scratch resistant so yeah you know me an apple made no further claims or boasts and so that leads me to think that it's the same um you know I feel like any iteration on design they are because you would hear ya they love to talk about every single beneficial iteration in a temple my power to them I yet to the micro millimeter you know focus so yeah uh we can confirm with that but it still says INX glasses that is the wording um i would expect it's still going to scratch against like if you have like yeah that's that's a thought in a pool um yeah which is also by the way not to geek out too much on corning but we also don't know if the new iphones have the newest form of Gorilla Glass which is Gorilla Glass five the important thing to know about that is that you could drop it from a higher height from like quote-unquote selfie height and then won't it's less likely to shatter so that would be helpful they have stopped talking about Cornyn like they haven't they haven't talked about it no a long time I guess it would give me a little bit more peace of mind if I knew that but they don't you're not getting a new phone anyways all right fine also variation or their own supply of whatever the glass is and they are doing what they're doing before the watch for all of them yeah yeah where it's the kind of exactly this type of talking about Gorilla Glass there there however sourcing it but it's like not coming in the same channel it's like I don't know I don't know I don't know the answer to it but it's is interesting to talk about that as a concern for me with iphone is the sure it survives I've said this all along sure it survives our drop in a puddle but would it serve high for the impact with the pavement under the puddle yeah you could have a shattered wet phone ooh so I don't know what to see we'll have to see how many variations on that again we have not done dropped testing on these yet no one I know has but we will I'm sure start to explore that I have a large supply of iphones i am personally oh my microphones acting up and i apologize for that i'm personally more concerned about your walk if you're bumping into so many things in life are you okay oh my general doorknob or what impact I'm very clumsy Dora people detection yeah that's a good for a reviewer that way you can torch I'm concerned about it too i stumble at a scuff against things the hardest thing about looking at these watches and I come across this in fitness trackers is just the natural thing is like I'm not a gym person so no hey why am I looking at a fitness tracker well it's funny because we have Dan Graziano here is a super runner hmm I came upon this looking at wearable tech but now if you say the industry is all about fitness yeah but then there are the fitness aspirational people we all want to tried it so I think for the average person who doesn't understand how to get on board this it like myself yeah and I stole I'm a guys like me yeah and I try to get it i'm not ignoring and I'm not eating like awful things I am actually trying but it's hard right and I'm also searching for I'm switching systems all the time which you're not supposed to do right but I just giving you an inside look of this like I I'm always trying to think about how these are doing a better job at motivating me and then someone like Dan is looking at I've got a regimen I like how do these work from my pretty serious regimen and I fee like those both ends are equally important Apple's now making claims at the harder end yes and so it's got reading this aspirational lifestyle where like yeah um it's almost like Nike it's like I'm gonna be the swimmer I'm gonna be the basketball athlete I'm gonna be the triathlon person and when I met with him I was like they're like you ready for almost like we're almost ready to cry i'm sure i'll do all those things I'm gonna be so fit with this brian are there other questions for more comedy confession not right now man my microphone is shot today uh sorry for everyone listening if you do have questions and comments especially for Scott we've got here for a limited time only let me tell me I'm a mcrib we have the expert the guy who spent a very intimate week with the iphone 7 an even more intimate week with the i watch her babble more night recalled something said what other than one other things do you have in you like what other separate products I'm in like a really bad blind date with the air pods the in a blind yeah yeah you're prob ad famous that worst ever yeah you know I was like in the middle of the NDA review and so like if I became a meme and I was like oh Shh I was like a crap and you can't really do anything or say anything either right for the NDA I was like well there goes and and then everyone was like Scott go and read it now let's talk to people right I was like this no let's not do that I didn't want to go the reason I don't want to go on is because ama you should be able to talk about everything right there like always imagined ama ya ask me anything oh cool do you have them on you ok let's not make this error let's change it back to ask me I mean do some lawyers yet do I don't hop on reddit for you for the two people left the kid like sky that's all no no people so careful how ugly the air pods are yeah it's fine dad they were making fun of you on CNBC already I know this week no it's like a deep lingering thing so I've been scoble eyes with the with the airpot ago so I this your inner shower when that happens so that's the thing that's a big plus I started to think about Cirie in the shower with Apple watch and then I thought that will be a scoble moment oh yeah enjoying Syrian is actually that's a great thing is what Siri Siri like telling you don't forget to soak your bad let's make one little that would suggest oh no Scott how's it going down there haha so um no relation anything so I was just saying that when you use these things in showers which I water and any people to understand first of all very important iphone is a different water resistance it is not really for swimming don't swim with that thing where would you put it what how did you swim with that's just a somebody accidentally putting your yellow yeah yeah you'd like the dirty in front of your chest as other cool movie everybody let's go on them Buffalo let's watch gangs of new york so like I but the point being I don't know so like you the if you do that water in capacitive displays is like skitter dance madness like everything starts like dancing opening some weird like magnifying think packed up because it all treats it like touch the Apple watch during the swim modes shuts down the display that makes sense so and that's fine you use the crown interact but that's why what I was going to say is that what's people turn about checking your email in the shower I'm like okay no but you could actually talk to Siri in the shower so with Apple watch what schools if you you might want to do that be like you're in if you're in the shower and you just like thinking about something it's like a lot i get aside my best idea i'm on you could potentially like set an appointment or like check your day worth like somebody's calling you could like answer the call sorry I'm a shower it sounds like are you what is wrong with me hey listening to me so much and oh my god I cannot wait for the day that's just what I call you up you're like hey Roger for the shower no need hey up it's okay let's we give you this conversation keep talking let's do it no I feel like but there is I'm just saying you could operate your Apple watch that way or you can like set it to music if you had to connect their bluetooth speakers you could change the music and listen all right right right you but you have a quite I was like a horrible idea I'm just saying we do have some questions what is the nanometer of the a-10 fusion and uh what the charge here the check you know I don't think what that ever disclosed they don't talk you sure my chip architecture yeah yes so their asshole was not talking about a nanometer I when I didn't mean oh yeah I wouldn't even want to guess I'm assuming it's similar to whatever the samsung one is at this point samsung is that I haven't been covering chip technology for a while so I think 40 nanometer is the latest one yeah but we don't look it doesn't make a difference but we don't know faster it's smaller it's a big it's a black box as far as you know what that stuff is but actually an apple keeps things pretty they're pretty case they don't talk about yeah I'm more curious about the how the cores work and what's going on with those cores because they have the two high power of the two low power and they automatically you know they're like behind Android and resolve their that's the core man they got a quick though that's the thing i love you seem like we're course is usually better sure more is always better okay that's the problem of discerning what that means in apple speak and what's going on in the in their phone and their software is really hard to understand right because they don't like a lot of things they just go it just works and you're like well when does it work and when is it not work and what's going on there like don't worry it works in a way that you don't have to worry yeah bro we're trying to actually observe that while we're at it you talked about the air pods but you tried the lightning cable yeah headphones to what is your response to those i mean to the actual headphones they're fine to the idea of removing a headphone jack it bothers me a lot it bothers you so much should we lower the rating a little in it because of you other than that the phones are better because yes that's the whole thing this is a port I you know I get it we may move to a wireless future but there are a couple of problems and I've been reading a lot of stories on I've been thinking about it one is obviously that this this has been around for a long time and you don't need to adopt the future yep you're being forced to 12 inch macbook USBC didn't have to buy that macbook they made an additional product to the line this is the main event right so now what are you going to do the second thing is you've always proprietary formats so it's like is it as simple as Bluetooth or Apple's going to try to lock down things with w1 chip into a different direction or like I know everyone was in agreement on one thing and now or you already have this between lightning and USB so by weight theoretical question if Apple had just switched to us bc would people be as mad probably not probably not because actually would be a great acknowledgement of hey we're all in one world together we're all drivers especially for charging open up a whole new world absolutely and I was not interested in playing that game know their ages i don't want some people were like a blah blah blah I've heard a lot of you know blah blah blah but this is a I've heard some reports again I don't know whether they split like some people say the USBC on some things is not working that well that there's a lot different variances law there are there definitely different variants there the vendors have concerns compatibility their vet we get with accessories exactly the vendors have options in terms of how many features they want to tag on to us bc so yeah there's def folio it's very despairing but as a as a regular consumer i say blah blah blah because you know what blah blah blah Apple pudding from papa they put a USBC port on their macbook so it's like well you did that right why couldn't it be on an iPhone yeah that's the I'm not an engineer side of things where you go when you know what of course you could and and yeah that's the thing is you're just left without one so that's my problem with it you got the dongle someone's going to forget the dongle or you'll end up now but six months to a year down the line I'm sure you're going to be able to pick up those dongles at Duane Reade and everywhere else or they'll give them out with headphones because Apple is a big force in the industry and that happens but it doesn't remove the fact that it's going to be I don't know initially I hate for a while it sounds like a panel I've been served recommending I think I think a 6s plus is which cost less is probably a fine direction also always update your your phone to the new OS to see unless unless it's on day one yeah that's not a good always wait then up daya but then try it before you upgrade your phone because you might be perfectly fine with the update and what it did for it anyway be like you know this awesome like I don't need a new phone Riley we may have known a few people who got brick oh yeah so Brown we have one last question first of all I want to make comment that i'm waiting for artisanal dongles decorative donna yeah it's gonna be a new market that is so true oh my god Carrodus opening exit easy go go for this already go on second of all when is Sierra coming oh I don't know who knows adamant questions in the comments people want to know when Sierra is coming soon we were hoping it would come yet we thought was going to come out with iOS 10 right you know everyone kind of speculated that we're all kind of surprised but Apple louise if i could haven't given us any advice come with a new macbook yes I'm saying I which would be elected in which is over yes still speculative well let's expect let's expect an October event yeah and maybe I don't have to go out to that one but we'll see we'll see I'd start packing yeah that's a char was saying I'm start packing I was like I know she is what the hell she should take us a couple there are several things we ever heard about from Apple a couple other shoes dropping obviously macbooks the other thing is smart home because now the question is is it just like they're just gonna keep doing it and that's it but they had a big you know they invited a lot of us to come check out some stuff and talk about smart home before the iphone event and it's a big war that's being battled that's our Kentucky team does that yep but between what's at home and other things and I keep think about that w one ship which allows things to pair I'm like do they have another announcement coming in that territory I have a feeling there's going to be something related to that by the end of the year or maybe not but I just think related to home kit they've really been in my view very much an also-ran compared to the yeah Alexa definitely so hey I mean they're either going to come out with a serotype Alexa thing um echoecho which is rumoured at this point it seems easy to do I mean I imagine how it would serpian no-brainer for people to pick up that's the thing i would amana less it's like three hundred dollars which is sort of the apple way sure what amazon selling you know now a fifty dollar yeah you know version so maybe something that also acts as a sound bar to your apple TV so we got rio wrap things up here yeah we're running it we're running long but great questions great great comments thanks rod apple discussions yeah thanks mumbai by anything you saw or heard here check us out on cnet com otherwise our podcast is available on itunes google play music soundcloud feedburner and tune in see y'all tomorrow