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and welcome to the crater cast I'm Eric Mack in Taos New Mexico joined by Kelsey Adams body Burton Jeff Sparkman and Stephen beach mat the cnet studios in San Francisco and Amanda Kooser joining us just slightly south in albuquerque new mexico cuz we got to cover all bases so calm down get home at the turn prepared Oh click that we so Eric you're going in and out it sounds like you're either doing a dalek impression in honor of us talking about Doctor Who or you your Wi-Fi is um miss messing with you internet scaling if you're kidnapped by aliens during this thing that will be pretty odd just do a Dalek impression it'll work out let me have let me kill some stuff here how am I not you guys hear me now can you hear me now yeah we're fine we're good you killed the right thing for once just like a Dalek oh he's totally friend now he's frozen Oh see I thought Eric was just really um I I never no one ever listens to me like that anymore it was good I was like my first boyfriend well sharing on creative cast in my bag yeah you're back all right skype we just thought you're a really good listener we're very very shy yeah well then I get to introduce everybody do we get everyone's names and at least not yet we can now if you want alright well this is the clave cast and we're back I am hopefully able to be heard now I'm in taos i'm joined by Kelsey Adams Bonnie Burton Jeff Sparkman and Stephen Beecham at the scene at studio there in San Francisco and Amanda Kooser is joining us just slightly south in Albuquerque how you guys doing can you hear me yeah we can hear you but we don't see you now your video disappears your ominous ok this is we got lots of technical diff that's ok this is nothing compared to the most most like Google+ and YouTube shows I'm on it's like if we're lucky if someone doesn't get electric electric it by accident this is good that could be interesting I know yeah we could we can reenact that new Doctor Who trailer that's fine TARDIS blowing up things electrocuting it'd be great huh unfortunately I'm not gonna be sending you the video so we can let's work through our issues technical and otherwise I'm sure we've all gathered here today actually to discuss television which used to be one of the most boring things you could talk about in the summer but not anymore and actually just like last summer some of the networks and cable channels including HBO are testing out some new sci-fi shows with short summer runs last year I actually got into under the dome and Siberia and I wound up disappointed but mainly because under the dome was terrible and Siberia was intriguing and interesting but it didn't get a second season now this summer there's a few more new sci-fi series probably the most high-profile being HBO's the leftovers which I think we might have a trailer for and it stars Justin through and some other folks and the basic premise is it's a couple a couple years after what seems to have been some sort of a rapture but nobody should basically but one percent of the population just disappeared in an instant and the show takes takes place a couple years afterwards and how people are dealing with it and it's had some some mixed reviews I've watched all three episodes so far and I just have no idea where the thing is going or if I'm going to stick with it what do you guys think hi I've been watching I actually kind of like it I don't know I um I'm just glad because it you know now we'd have to worry about population control um in the rapture I mean if you actually I was I was raised Catholic so I remember you know you hearing about the rapture and that sort of thing and that's a Christian definitely a Christian phenomenon to think about and it's supposed to be a lot more dramatic like angels coming down raining fire all that stuff and and this is just blink and it's gone like people just disappeared um so it's interesting and it's interesting how people cope with it it's interesting how quickly people go into denial like Oh everything's fine let's not think about it but when you think about this is damon lindelof so there's going to be something happening towards the end that either all of us are going to think is awesome or we're all going to go to his house with pitchforks because I I still I self lost wounds so yeah I mean it lost wasn't that long ago when we're all like hey wait a minute that's anything we all thought so I mean with this hopefully there's still some surprises left in him but it is compelling show I i I'm giving it a chance but I I don't know about the rest of you but I've become cynical and bitter as a TV watcher because I'm like this isn't gonna get renewed this isn't going to get renewed I'm going to waste all this time watching season one and two of something and nothing's gonna get solved and I'm just gonna wonder the rest of my life how did gravity and you know how did yeah you know I already you know pudding pops still waiting yeah the Pepsi right yeah right i mean not so much Zima but you know what there's a lot of TV shows that i invested in that people warned me not to like I was at Park Avenue 666 I'm like wait what happened that was the devil and things and he was in charge of no hotel yeah so I don't know I'm trying I'm trying to have faith because I don't want to invest too much and leftovers and then not have leftovers I guess one long has the thing has HBO done that have they just left something for dead so much mm-hmm I don't know I think it why I can't I can't I don't know because that's a thing when you have when you have networks like HBO Showtime and stars stars is a great example where's my hello Torchwood I just sort of went nowhere after stars to get over right so I don't know I guess it just depends on the network and same with like things like Netflix Amazon and Yahoo they're starting to take no pun intended pun intended leftovers be honest here and we'll talk about that to you a little bit but i think these types of networks give shows more of a chance than let's say ABC NBC CBS fox now so maybe we have a chance to have closure but I don't know I don't know probably don't have to deal with sponsors getting all angry about content yeah that's true I don't know it's not a question font ways yeah do you guys really find it convincing that their world would fall apart this much losing only two percent of the population cuz we've had bigger losses than that in the past yeah we've lost more than one percent of the population out of nowhere Black Death I mean recently yeah well when I was like the tipping people have actually become that much more sensitive than they were in the Middle Ages I mean I think now that the world is connected I think you know we're also interconnected and we're also i imagine people going like nobodies like I know I just kept thinking ever since we if we lose one I think it's one percent not two percent right okay if it's one or two percent I don't know this sounds very mathy I also feel like how many Twitter followers would I lose sorry those very sad things with it that's all I care about oh there goes my Klout score yeah I don't know if we would care or if we would be in denial or if the government would try it because that would be really hard to cover up to um I don't I feel like everybody would just put a positive spin on it like you know hey there's more room hey there's more places to live hey there's more parking spaces the idea is a big label crowded yeah the killer are blown away by the randomness of it right yeah I can't count on anything how do I even plan my life no one is that the idea right yeah and that's kind of the show too as you see how people deal with it it's more it's not I mean obviously there's that over looming question of where'd they go but then there's the okay how do you deal with this like you know how do you deal with someone you love just gone here kills a lot of them are asking why aren't we why didn't we go yeah why didn't we go cuz rapture is like you know the tikati all the good people it's the really good it's a willy wonka it's like the Willy Wonka elevator too awesome here's the thing okay so we saw baby disappearing so shouldn't all the babies disappear or some babies better than other baby never seen oh man there's a lot of evil babies out there seriously blood type maybe there's taking a certain blood type yeah yeah and and we still don't know what it is so it could be aliens it could be rapture it could just be this trailer totally terrifies my if we watch it after game of thrones before Game of Thrones or something for the baby just know this shows horrible yeah yeah I'm like for a split second I go Oh quiet yeah that's what I would think I just I I've been watching a lot stuff on netflix recently and and World War Z was on and all I kept think he was the kid cares about her blanket and zombies are attacking and she's whining about her blankie missing that's a rapture victim right there and I'd be glad will blanket I just yeah I don't know I'm not a parent so I sound horrible so I'm just like I am can just the noisy drunk people be raptured cuz that would be great ya on the next great cast no one no one no one I don't know it is a very interesting concept and I do like the idea of it because it's it's a it's something that people are definitely talking about and it's it's not your typical sci-fi horror type show you know what I mean it's definitely has things left over to talk about yeah anyways like they've been really Egypt's there's been delving deeply into these characters like the episode this week was just all about one character and which you know either they're building to something great kind of another lines of a breaking bad we have this just really amazing just characters that you follow through crazy stuff and it seems like maybe that's where it's going but right now it's just like really slow and i'm having a hard time keeping up with it no I've lost it too didn't lost focus on like a couple characters each episode instead of you everybody and then you got really super invested in those characters and then when they started killing them off you're like oh that's sad I like with way more crazy weird stuff way there's a lot more mystery going on like this show doesn't really even seem to care about explaining you know the context yeah I mean if they replaced everyone that they took away with invisible smoke monsters and polar bears I'd be totally down so that's kind of a given yeah so I don't know I i I'm giving it a chance but again you're right if they need to speed it up a little bit more and maybe we're just all a little bit um a DD but there needs to be a bit more excitement for me to keep going so anyway that's what I think I left overs the end amantha did we get amanda's take on it okay here's my take I've got pretty much two things to say about it um one kudos for casting former doctor who Christopher Eccleston always nice to see him he plays the Reverend uh-huh but a for them especially the first two episodes I was watching him and I was thinking this really feels like a Stephen King miniseries did anybody else yeah you know it's funny you said that because Entertainment Weekly had an interview with both Damon Lindelof and Stephen King because Stephen King has his own TV show that's doing really well too is that under the dome that's under the dome right and they discussed each other like each other shows and plot points and stuff and I think Stephen King made a reference that he's a big leftovers fan and so you can kind of see that kind of influence for sure I'm glad Eccleston xin that too by the way even though you know I don't know I was kind of hoping that I would see him in more British programming but I'm glad that Americans are sending him paychecks I'm sure the second yeah it'll take him back I don't know after heroes I don't know if he's allowed back into the country but we'll see but ya know it's good to see I loved seeing is it Jason through there are Oh missed mr. Aniston so um I like seeing him in stuff so uh hopefully they'll keep keep going I'm gonna pick up the golden segue right here since next up on our list is actually doctor who so the season 8 trailer for the BBC series actually aired during the final the world cup on sunday giving the entire globe something to fill our football avoid or at least some of us so I for this I think I'll just hand it back over to you guys because you guys are more yeah that's that's universal that's actually not the trailer for the TV show that's the trailer for their tour that they're doing I wrote an article about this on cnet but they're going i think is like seven cities or something and it's Capaldi and Coleman RN Moffat Moffett's only going to be at a couple of the cities because I've been stalking Moffitt for a while so I know I did all of them but that's kind of cool because they're doing kind of a world tour there we go there's the major life returns I don't think I know who the doctor is a new life hey payers I'm the doctor I've lived for over 2,000 years I've made many mistakes that's about time that I did something about that join into darkness here we go again glad I tell me my good man I don't know Doctor Who saturday yay I'm getting chills I get chills every time i watch that because I'm like yeah it's gonna be a dark doctor instead of a goofball like I like Matt Smith and I like the other doctors obviously 10 tenant and the other Tom Baker was always my favorite but I've been waiting for super dark going into you know battling the inner demons kind of doctor I found tenants dr. very dark he was very dark and he got dark towards the end for sure and that's one of these things where I'm like finally because I mean you can't live that long and not be bitter and angry at some point and I'm glad that they were kind of bringing that out and it's fun to see like the snippets of things like I like anything with t-rex and dinosaurs I'm glad they're bringing that sort of thing exactly I know me too I know me too i mean i don't know what it is like i was like oh great space battle it whatever and I'm like a horse chase that's kind of cool okay dialyze blah blah t-rex so I don't know I'm excited for it I'm sure Amanda and the rest of you guys will chime in because your doctor who fans too but there were two other teaser trailers that I covered for cnet as well and one of them you actually get to see the two beating hearts and as usual and Doctor Who tradition the TARDIS has to go through some major malfunctions and blow up and have things go wrong the the control panel so it was great to see that again and I'm just excited that may or may not be Davros his voice I mean that's the big discussion it don't like style it's definitely sounds like him to me and I'm just excited to see it so I'm gonna stop talking because I could talk about this all day I'm just you know yay gave more Doctor Who I really want to hear a man down yeah Amanda chime in okay well first of all I wore my Tom Baker TARDIS cute I did too i wear my TARDIS too yay so the top figure is my doctor I've been a fan since way back I do enjoy the new series considerably Eccleston was actually probably my favorite of the doctors so far I enjoyed tenant love Matt Smith but I am super excited about Peter Capaldi I took I took a notes on that trailer the long trailer and it's a three words dinos Daleks darker yep you know I gather that from what I the rumblings I've been hearing this they really want to take this in a different direction than what they've had before especially with matt smith and i'm curious to see how bold they're willing to go with that if this season is about answering that question am i good man i think it's going to be very compelling and I'm can't wait I'm just excited we're gonna get a doctor that's not like on the cover of teen beat I mean not to say Peter Capaldi is it you know isn't adorkable in his own way but I i'm so tired of companions falling in love with the doctor and smoochy flirty doctor and companion stuff I think that's why I know I mean I'm just saying that could happen to you but I you know I don't think Jenna Coleman I don't think we're doing that because that you could see in the new trailer she's kind of like her body language alone that pretty much proves it but a very little girl thing yeah it's just i I'm just excited to have a doctor where it's not all the will they or won't they kiss he's crap i just want to see will they or won't they go really super dark and i'm very very excited to see a Capaldi's version of the doctor even though i know i'm gonna be on the edge of my seat thinking he's gonna swear at some point cuz all the other shows i've seen Capaldi and give two bleep of every five seconds that would be awesome that would be so great i know i know i'm excited yeah I'd like I've been trying to catch up trying to get into and with my schedule the way it is um I get to watch more spongebob than anything else and same thing yeah well you know big my actually you know maybe the pineapple is a town I know I just blew your my head Bikini Bottom is now space yeah I think they actually have a couple doctor who references in SpongeBob's oh yeah they have everything in there after the first couple times i watch i think those Patrick would be the worst companion i'm just saying they talk about blowing up the TARDIS every five seconds yeah you totally oh my god it's so i have a question i think i'm actually asked you guys this before but like I'm kind of a dog newbie every were watching something with my mom in like the 1980s but like I'm a little more familiar with it now but I don't know where to start like where do I get caught up with 2005 make everyone I think everyone has their own viewpoints on that like I I'm if you're going to start with the reboot I say start at the very beginning with Eccleston's reboot because that it's not even a reboot I mean obviously it takes you know it follows canon but I am and I might have a different suggestion by would say start there and then watch all the new stuff and then go back and all the old steps on hulu that netflix has a bunch too so you can watch a lot of the I think hulu has hulu plus has the very first one and you can go from there and it's a pretty it's pretty slow and it's black and white 16 years my hands been retrospective from beginning and hearing a lot about yeah it's kind of slow but then again you'll get all these really great references because Moffat is a huge Doctor Who fan russell t davies is to obviously a lot of the writers put in these little easter eggs from like old old old old episodes but amanda what would you suggest people start i'm actually with you on that i think new people coming to it i think it's great to start with Eccleston for the new series you know it's got the production values and the pacing that that current viewers can really accept and if you like that then I suggest digging into some the older ones but I usually drag people at Tom Baker probably because I love him and probably because I think that those also still resonate really well with so the modern viewership for the most part yeah it's also in color yeah and you'll know what the scarfs are back yeah yeah yeah and also I think some of the better companions are were Tom Baker's companionless then you get you know Sarah Jane and Sarah Jane has her own show which I just started watching sarah jane adventures because it's all on hulu plus because i never got into that and i was like I had a doctor who void and I was just like I'm gonna watch it now and it's very very entertaining and even though it's meant for kids there's great references of old-school Doctor Who stuff and it connects really well to the new series so I and you know she's no longer with the actors that played sir james no longer with us but I I love thats it that serious so if you a chance check it out on hulu all right you've not just planned my next sci fi date night with my wife yay moving away from Sify for just a little bit we want to talk about community the NBC comedy that's laced with all kinds of Awesome geeky and subculture Hubert has been going for five seasons and it's kind of been cancelled and resurrected and it got cancelled again and then Yahoo picked it up and the sixth season is gonna be on yahoo which is interesting and kind of nerdy actually seems like a good home home for it in certain ways but we didn't have a little debate internally here on whether or not you know this is actually a crave cast worthy show and I'm curious what everyone thinks I think this is one of my favorite sitcoms ever and there's you know so many geeky in jokes and and and references and I am totally psyched that this is going to continue online it just seems perfect what do you guys think well I don't see how that's even a question I mean if you just watch the trailer there's every there's you know reference to every single thing you could possibly think I've learned the Rings Terminator I mean just it's all I think some of the episodes not all the episodes i mean i've been watching community since it started and they have specialty episodes that have doctor who references cuz obviously he did his own doctor spoof and there's you know but nowadays there's a star wars reference and everything i just watched law and order special value unit or whatever and it's you know they had a star wars reference I mean there's always you know I and I'm not saying I don't like community I'm a big community fan but of all the shows i mean there's a crapload of sci-fi shows coming out as well as horror and fantasy that we're not discussing today and so i think i just pointed out that community I love communities coming back but it's you know it's not Constantine as that Dominion it's not the quest it's not Outlander I mean there's plenty of other stuff too but I am glad that Yahoo picked it up we'll see what happens is this the first show that Yahoo is doing because I didn't even know yahoo had TV we have an article about that I guess I should read seen as oh oh there you go no it's not what's the first show then cuz I didn't even know yahoo was doing TV until all we reported it so yes but I thing like I'm sure nobody wants to pass yahoo so I'll do it yeah nice meal yahoo mail i used to use before gmail so i love that show yahoo i am is what i used to use before gmail so several years ago their site is I mean I thought I know they're trying but I thought nothing could make yahoo cool again and they actually went and did it they scooped up one of the coolest shows yeah so Wow okay I I'm all for it I just honestly I had no idea Yahoo even had a TV component that actually could show TV shows like it so I'm excited um well they've been getting like the SNL archives and stuff like that okay all right go yahoo building i get our then i'm biased for coming you know the main characters yeah narcissus named Jeff there's a guy on the show who's obsessed with pop culture salt I need it like right and to watch the show right um so I'm I'm always leery when a show comes back like for like one more season like when scrubs did that yeah it was like they actually kind of like tidied everything up and you're like okay closure and then Oh another season on another network in it I know I was going for six seasons and a movie well yeah them this could be totally different I am cautiously optimistic I think it just depends like IT Crowd granlund IAM did one last episode which is one last it's like one episode one season we complain about Sherlock and within three episodes of season is like the last IT crowd season was one episode but that was to wrap everything up so you know he got that chance to like tie up all loose ends and it was like a nice ending to a show so I'm all excited to see what communities going to do on yahoo and like i said i'm a big proponent of other networks that to do new stuff like amazon's a great example netflix obviously prove that you can do this and i'm a big fan of Hemlock Grove so I'm glad that that second season just launched over the weekend for hemlock grove so you know more power to yahoo hopefully community can live strong there and it has dan harmon back again yeah yeah I will say one thing that gives me some pause about this was arrested development is huge arrested development original series came to netflix for you know whatever the extra seasons were and I didn't finish the netflix once I like lost something I think it actually want something in that it lost its structure a little bit because some episodes were 30 minutes somewhere like 50 minutes and it felt like actually lost some of the constraints that they were operating in do you think maybe do you think it's cuz the hiatus was too long between seasons because then all the actors some of them had more plastic surgery than others so it was a bit I mean they use these jokes about that I think porsha arasi had a few jokes about her plastic surgery and how her character look drastically different than the last you know season we were used to with the rest of development but I mean here's the big question every time a show gets resurrected or saved every fireflies dressing it's like you know that Joss Whedon guys that he's not doing anything right now right so and you know Nathan Fillion got that little tiny show castle that that that should be cancelled any minute now so why don't we just bring back Firefly I mean that's I love that Firefly you know the Browncoats are just so adamant about you know we could bring that back we could just kick start that like that's a you know gonna resurrect anything I'd like that kicks it's early death is what made it so beloved yeah not a chance like that yeah I don't know we'll see maybe it'll come back fingers crossed come on browncoats write your Congressman where's our Kennedy yeah it really is so we got a couple more minutes here and so let's just wrap up real quick there are two other shows we wanted to try to get in maybe we can throw the strain in here too so let's just go round to the real quick 60 seconds Gotham Constantine or the strain which one excites you the most and why uh-uh Constantine because i love the comic and i'm one of the few people love the movie so I want to see what they do the show but I did watch the strain and I loved it and it's a great book and go del Toro so I say both okay Jeff um can I can I go for a fourth option not actually I'm it like intrigued by all of them but I'm really curious to see the new flash show just uh because like the I've watched the old flash show and it was really awesome cool that was it okay I'm trying to keep it short here no no that's good oh look we even have a trailer oh look at look how on the ball everybody is ours that arrow Oh Carol yeah that's nice ya know it is there's an arrow is a flashes arrow doesn't match the flashes interested on arrow that's right that's right that's right who's playing flash do we know oh yeah hit Brandon Routh no cuz he's supposed to be on arrow this neck yeah and he's gonna be this up we IMDb this last time right yeah I know if only there was an Internet service that told us these things things didn't we write an article maybe we should read seen it once in a while that's probably on their everybody thinkin Gotham and tosin mmm well I have questions about Gotham because they seem to be doing a very dark gritty kind of thing but that's Constantine Constantine right here yeah right well i don't think i have Gotham sorry I was like I'm just turning into the question okay so um but then the description sounds really camp like there's a character called Edward nygma who's a forensic scientist who speaks in a cryptic language I mean he imagined being introduced to the guy and then like one guy says the other so he's this he's a code guy who speaks in code yeah it's funny he's right like how can they possibly do this in a very serious you are away and then in a scantily-clad vilnius named fish Mooney with the right-hand man named butch camp you know so I'm puzzled I'm the one I'm actually interested in those Constantine because I just I don't know a lot of charisma and that guy I meet style he's finally British right yeah if you watch the yeah if you watch the TV shows oh there we go yeah there's an eye this is a major network so hopefully they won't cancel it i have high hopes it didn't castle Graham didn't cancel Sleepy Hollow yeah that's so that keeps going so I feel like maybe mainstream America is ready for more scary gothy horror stuff so never tell Amanda will you add on these uh the fall sci fi de beauté yeah for me the toss-up between constituted Gotham I think you know when Gotham cast donal logue I was kind of signed up to get invested in that but now that Constantine trailer looks really cool yeah cool dark and gritty and the more of that the better if they can actually pull that off on a regular broadcast over to your television then I'll be pretty pleased but for me both of those really yeah i mean the production value on that Constantine trailer and you know it definitely seems like they're throwing the most move behind that one the Gotham tour is kind of like okay this is kind of like the origin story I don't know if I'm totally that into it the strain I keep hearing how awesome and gross it is it is it's both of those things and it's great I actually really liked it here's the thing to keep in mind is a new TV viewer to a show that hasn't been tested out yet that's a brand new show keep track of how expensive the effects look because this is what killed off heroes pretty quickly too i mean writers strike aside it was how expensive is each episode because that's what networks look at too because if the numbers aren't their ratings wise they're going to get rid of their expensive show so sleepy hollow has great effects it's still round grim house good effects but it's mostly character-based too so I don't know I'm fingers crossed that's good advice for the chromecast to we really need the keyboard now water that plant Eric seriously it's like little house of horrors over there electrician feed me seymour feed me I know I'm just I was feeling scared for that plan last time I was in the mist prison and so I had to bring something back it's all about the it's all about the set yeah and i do want to give a shout out for the quest by the way because it's a sci-fi fantasy reality TV show and they call it an amazing race meets Lord of the Rings meets Game of Thrones I'm scared of that I'm gonna write something up about I'm gonna write something for Cena because they're auditioning people at san diego comic-con this year which is like the worst place to audition anyone for anything oh it's gonna be an actual it's an actual reality show yeah like no it's gonna be a LARPing while they might dump a bunch of larpers in Siberia I'd watch that but it's it's going to be interesting so I just wanted to even though we're all about scripted stuff I need to throw in that reality show because I just I can't wait to see nerds in peril which is really what they should call it yeah yeah I want I'd watch that as long as it's not naked and afraid in the woods or whatever it is that's great I haven't watched that yet I just been thinking splinters everywhere yeah yeah Lord yeah game of Thornes yeah oh sorry puns are coming wrap it up wrap it up that funny note that is the grave cast for july thanks so much for for joining us if you got any suggestions for future shows tweet us at crave and of course keep track of everything on cnet com / crave that we're working on say goodbye guys and we'll come on guys bye guys thanks you