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and welcome the frame cast are we live I think it must be a lot we are alive all right the grave guess I am Eric act and the 20 feet cnet studios in san Cisco today we shall see out of its funny bird Jeff Sparkman and behind controls Stephen beachy and how did he really got a one topic to discuss that's because today they're going to go down in history as they that is just that a historic or a day that will be forgot and they had a ridiculous presentation I'm talking of course about Elon Musk founder of SpaceX who today in Guadalajara Mexico of the International Astronautical gave laid out over the course of an hour is in our vision for not just sending a mission to Mars not sending a rover trouble just not ours but he laid out an entire vision for building a city of a million people on Mars and doing it like within about a hundred years yes we covered it in a live blog Iran's and you can check out the whole thing is just insanely audacious how do you think he came out and the very first thing that he said was you know today I hope to show that not only that we can get to Mars but that maybe you can go to Mars like as in you as in anybody and the holding is just kind of a little off the wall and I've been spending the last couple hours trying to decide whether or not he's delusional or a visionary and I don't I feel like if you're gonna say this can happen in a hundred years then I can say that because I'm not going to be accountable because I'm not gonna be here in hundred years so I think we should have unicorn farms in a hundred years I was wondering I mean he brought up the Hyperloop we don't have the Hyperloop what is what is he saying now to me have the Hyperloop what we do yeah yeah we have there's a there's working prototypes I haven't been on the Hyperloop know so we just gotta sell running we don't have the Hyperloop I think there's like a half-mile test track of a Hyperloop is what we've got going on so far um and I think that's the same as yeah I feel like this is the simpsons montréal episode all over again yeah i did you know it that's kind of my impression too I mean you know before i was working writing about science and technology i spent the first half of my career covering a lot of politics and covering a lot of but environmental issues so that that's kind of a field of journalism that tends to breed a lot more cynicism than optimism you know so there's there's part of me that gets really excited about the idea of this guy's actually talking about starting to send people to Mars like within about a decade and then a million there know within a hundred years and laying out concrete steps for how to do that but then there's the other political reporter side of me that's like you know as a as a species we have a really hard time pulling off the olympics every time haha uh so yeah i don't know it's just so audacious um but but you know he's talking about like getting going over the course of the next decades starting to actually send spaceships to Mars within about five years and then maybe by 10 years we start to send people and that you'd I do have to give him credit you know he did say that the first trips tomorrow's are going to be really dangerous that there's a pretty good chance people will die so there is some realism man about fighting me to sign me up yeah the only thing I kept thinking was bring potato plants potato plants bring potato plants save the feces yeah I I don't know I want to be positive about all this because I think space travel is important to us as a race like just as human beings we should be thinking outside of our normal goals as a culture and through technology and and everything and that's great to see his optimism I just think promising something like this with a time frame of a hundred years is kind of silly because none of us are going to be around in a hundred years ago hey wait a minute remember when that guy said a hundred years ago that we'd be on Mars and we're still trying to figure out how to rebuild New Orleans right and by the way that's like that's like the long-range the actual time frame he gave was a million people in a self-sustaining city on Mars between about 40 and a hundred years so in his mind this is possible by like the 2050s and it which is is like even more insane demand we've we've sent one like maybe a dozen people to the moon that's as far as we've gone and we haven't gone back in 40 50 years and is he planning that self-sustaining city as well or is he just focusing on the transportation I think he's focusing on getting there was definitely no urban planning and you know his one hour um I think he envisions getting it going that SpaceX is going to provide the transportation infrastructure to get there and that you know investors are going to take over and start to build you know the propellant paint plants on Mars and start to build the infrastructure and that capitalism will basically take over at some point that's the impression you get yeah so the propellant station is going to be that's like the biggest thing I felt like they have to make their own propellant on Mars and also refueling in space as opposed to just launching a giant ship that's gonna fly straight to Mars think I felt like that was like one of the biggest most important parts of it did you feel that same way to air yeah yeah and you know and that's kind of their specialty right as kind of the logistics that's what SpaceX has been doing is trying to make space travel and space exploration more efficient that's why you know it's been a big big deal that they've been doing the reusable rockets the Falcon minds that go up and send something to the deliver something of the space station and they come and land back down so they can be reconditioned andrey fueled so you know they showed that animation today of how work which is basically that you've got yeah these ships that are going back and forth you know they get launched from Earth once and then they kind of seem to travel back and forth from orbit to orbit so you basically have these refueling stops it'll happen in orbits you got the spaceship with people on it that's another crazy thing the spaceship would carry up to a hundred people huge plane it's huge yeah and they had they had photos of like the huge carbon fiber capsules and they're just another small buildings that'll carry 100 people and then he said eventually 200 people but yes so you have these spaceships to get refueled in orbit and then you have rockets that are basically carrying the fuel back and forth from the service the earth to orbit or from the surface of Mars to orbit and then you just kind of taxing back and forth through space in these shifts like that's kind of the plan and then as if that weren't enough at the very end it's like and I think we could probably set up gas stations filling stations maybe on Europa or on Pluto we can go all over the solar station as if the assessment of ours the million people wasn't enough I mean it's just it's just kind of bonkers but then you know that there's just that part that it seems easy to dismiss but this is a guy that has achieved pretty insane things already he's not a person easily to be dismissed and you know obviously the Wright brothers were dismissed at first as well as were you know any other number of visionaries so it's like I don't know if I'm betting on him but if I would bet on anyone to do it it might be him yeah for sure what do you think is driving him to bring it up right now that's a good question yeah what does he know that we don't know that's I feel like is there a giant asteroid coming towards us and he's the only one that knows it like I I don't know I i love visionaries but sometimes i have to agree with kelsey like what dry it what drives him at this certain point in time aim to make all this happen I mean I he's always been like a Silicon Valley you know green technologist right I mean he's he's always been animated by clean energy and he's obviously concerned about climate change and about sustainability I mean his three companies right now our solar city solar power company Tesla which is electric cars and and SpaceX which is kind of the furthest form of his ideas which is you know we're probably not going to be able to create a fully sustainable earth so eventually we're going to have to move off of it so I mean I I think this is what he's actually been working towards for 15 years now and it's just this is just the next step in the process yeah during the keynote he also mentioned like he was concerned about his replacement if he was to die and that he wants out and was uh he'd want someone who wasn't so hungry for profits and stuff but more like changing the world and making more energy-efficient travel and stuff like so I thought that was really cool I was like that's very interesting that he would say something like that you know yeah I mean I think the guy is totally sincere if he was only about you know turning his billions into more billion serve you know and he's you know basically almost lost everything a covered with frost yeah getting to this point here's one of his Rockets landing reason I don't know I feel like you should just pull a blade runner and make a replicant of himself and then he wouldn't have to worry so when he dies he can still be there I think we should all do this sorry I guess I was a blade runner spoiler for someone but you know I don't know I just I love visionaries that want to get us the space i just wish we had more visionaries to fix us down here because we have a lot of problems that need fixing on earth and it would be nice if we just didn't give up on earth and go to another planet and screw that planet up it'd be kind of awesome if we had more visionaries down here that we're like well here's how we save the oceans here's always stop climate change here's how we like keep each other from killing each other like i don't know there's just so many so many problems down here i wish we could fix before we just go at while Earth's a crap zone let's just go to Elon Musk in particular is like the one guy you have to give credit for trying to do both you know I mean he is he's a solar power guys gonna solar power company so is kind of trying to work it from both ends you know I just think he's probably a little bit over optimistic and there's other problems you know because the first thing there's a couple of things steve and i sent i sent you a link to a post that Iran actually last year when we were talking about Mars one which is another less likely effort to get to Mars and so we would put up a post back in February about all the ways that you could die on Mars really you know it it's not easy to survive on Mars and there wasn't a lot of i link those those problems yeah um by the way I want someone to make a short film out of all those ways to die I think that would be great if someone made a film so anybody who's listening that's a filmmaker if you could make a short film out of Eric's article out of all the different ways to die in Mars I would totally I would back that Kickstarter I'm gonna try to tackle that yeah I know be hilarious I mean like the radiation alone um you know I was at a space conference and it was basically a conference of all the companies that are interested in doing business in space except SpaceX they're like the only one that wasn't there and it was kind of a more realistic view and there was a guy who literally spent decades as one of NASA's chief doctors and he's like you know the amount of radiation on Mars you can't like be walking around even in a spacesuit look that's not gonna protect you I mean you basically would have to be in a bunker under you know about six feet of soil to protect you from from the radiation you're not gonna be able to do a lot of work so there's like entirely new you know technologies to like have a fishy efficient radiation shielding you know it's like it's funny like that the idea is to become a multiplanetary species because I don't know the earth know there might be an apocalypse oh the earth might not be around forever climate change whatever your whatever you're concerned about because it's like okay but Mars wants to kill you people think sounds of earth' you can argue the same thing about Earth bingo on earth earthy wants to kill it jared is yelling Australia hola yeah it's like if you don't leave me alone I might have to kill you it's kind of like a hesitant mobs it's almost like your house is on fire so do you stay in the house that's on fire or do you run next door where you know a serial killer lives you run next door yeah yeah exactly like to the melting down nuclear plant yeah earth doesn't want to kill us but it might have to Mars really wants to kill us you know and there's other there's other problems too when you get into it you know in advance of this this press conference I started reaching out to some people who know a lot more than we do about this in fact I talked to Joe a professor Joanne and I'm gonna mess this up gerber nowit's I think and she is the editor in chief ameri de of the Journal of space log get ready this is going to be exciting so there's this concept of planetary protection which is kind of like the environmental version of the prime directive ok like the prime directive is like you know don't harm civilizations or don't it one time a Star Trek sorry you're not never forget that but in Star Trek you're basically not Swift to interfere in civilizations that are less developed and so there's an idea called planetary protection that is kind of the same idea like if we're going to go to Mars we have to do it in a responsible way where we won't disturb you know what might already be there like we're not even supposed to really mess with any microbes that are there that's why when they sent the rover to mars had to be totally sanitary it was like a big deal that the Rope the rover might have been contaminated with molecules of methane um no Elon Musk's terraforming plan or am I getting ahead of what you're saying yeah no that's where that's where I'm going so like you know he moscas talked about doing things like nuking Mars to get heated huh what an atmosphere going um so you know we have what Professor Cooper nowit's told me was you know she referenced the outer space treaty that basically states the parties to avoid harmful contamination and also adverse changes in the environment resulting from the introduction of extraterrestrial matter on earth and that would also apply to other planets is the way I understand it I love how precious we are about that stuff because it's like you know we're just humans and we only have one planet and we're putting all this rules on other planets we don't own we don't own those plans they're just planets and we have enough space junk in space that if we really cared about these things we wouldn't just dump everything into space like we have been for how many decades now so the fact that we have some sort of interplay it's kind of like Miss Universe like it's not really miss universe it's just this planet so why are we acting like we own the solar system like we don't we don't have any other species to be accountable for yet there's no other quit jinxing it there's no aliens out there going oh those humans are at it again not as far as we know yeah as far as we know like we could do whatever we want at this point until someone you know brings down the hammer ever done killer kills and things I'm jinxing it and that the aliens are gonna uprise I'm sure all of them are watching this right now and yeah but anyway I I am curious about the terraforming I don't know Kelsey you look like you want to say something about terraforming so no our video the video they showed at the presentation today it ends with multi like they they zoom out you see Mars and Mars spins around and it morphs from being kind of dead red mars that we know to like on Mars with an atmosphere in an ocean and it's green and blue and red it's like okay so that is is that does that means is the serious about the terraforming stuff basically wants to turn Mars into Miami well during the keynote he said this is possible to do that we can warm up Mars you said there's plenty of water there he made it sound like it's a no-brainer likely to do this not don't worry about it so I mean that's that's what scientists have been talking about for a long time is heating up and getting the you know melting all the ice under the ground and creating a new atmosphere on Mars so plenty of people think that's possible so yeah I mean I've watched enough of the Alien films to know how well that turned out when someone goes yeah don't worry about it no problem we could do that we just need to find the the little alien hand thingy in total recall oh yeah put a hand on that I think sci-fi has worked us to the point now that we expect all these things so when you say that I'm like I kept to give every sci-fi movie that's done yet already been just watching the video reminded me of like in Star Trek to where they're showing the yeah proposal video for the Genesis torpedo and I know we're so warped the thing that I want to know about the whole you know getting to Mars thing and having people colonize it what the hell are people gonna do on the what two-year ride to Mars I mean oh yeah well that's like a lot of net that's another thing he talked about was it has to be fun we have to have a restaurant below in space yeah totally but yeah I'm only going if Charles going then I'll go it's gonna be like a cruise ship I'm gonna be partying there's me shuffle board you know all kinds of just for luck why don't they just name is Mike Titanic Titanic to trap then white jinx it so it sounds like you guys wouldn't want to go then no I would totally go no I'm not gonna in the first crew are you kidding I don't know as I I oh I would almost kind of want to rather go on the first one then the second one because you figure the first one although be like super cautious after they get it right the first time they're like no screw we know how to do this and then you know people start gettin I feel like they're gonna turn they're gonna treat it like a prison colony first so they're gonna send out expendables first okay so like the movie Expendables they should just send everyone that was in Los three oh my god what a great movie would that be so be expendables it for so it's all the actors from expendables who are clearly expendable and throw in the Suicide Squad just for good measure because I would want to spend up on two years with Jared Leto in space hahaha so I hesitate to repeat this because it's so mean-spirited but during the Q&A session today oh my god I got a hold of a mic from funnyordie and yes and said you know we've actually calculated who the most expendable person on earth is and it's michael cera like i said mean-spirited Elon was not amused Oh Michaels well he is kind of well no hahaha Jeff weren't you saying that there is a lot about this question oh my god little like they next time they do this they really need to vet the questions because that some of that was I mean I am like no paragon of being smooth or anything but like I was cringing was a comic con was like common comic-con QA asked if she could come up and get a high did someone want a hug yeah note one of the kiss oh gosh there's a lot of four-letter words being dropped in questions about Martian toilet zoo I mean that was a good question i just don't think you know it was presented as you know scientifically as it could have been though it was dead pain an evocative yes sure it's really hard um so you know it I agree with what you said Bonnie about that I think sci-fi is kind of warped us I guess you know to the point where we have billionaires that are like really pursuing this with their fortune but I mean I feel like you know you know talking to scientists who work in planetary science I have to assume that I talked to some before the speech but not after I've to assume that some of them are freaking out right now because most of them are concerned about even like sending you know like like astronauts like half a dozen astronauts in space suits that that could you know contaminate this place if they still want to explore for science I actually I've got so I've got a quote here this is from Peter Doran who is a professor at Louisiana State University and he says the big issue with all missions to Mars is we don't want to create a situation where we are impacting future life detection science we don't want to discover earth life that was transported there on a spacecraft this is pretty straightforward with robots but with humans it's a huge challenge picture picture humans like the Pigpen character and the peanut cartoons walking around shedding microbes everywhere we go spacesuits as we know them do not take care of this problem so you know you got a scientist here who's worried about the spacesuits we have going and we're talking about nuking the place and building city of a million people well that's why you have a difference between NASA who are scientists vs SpaceX which has scientists but also has more of that human business men entertainment value right so NASA would never make those kinds of promises but then SpaceX wants to make those kinds of promises because they want to get people excited they need the funding blah blah blah my problem was imes we're so warped as a species when it comes to space because of sci-fi we have these really incredible expectations we have the same kind of expectations with robotics we are the same kind of expectations with just regular travel it's it's hard it's kind of like law and order and the good wife has ruined jury duty for me because I expect when I get a jury duty I mean I'm pretty boring to begin with but with you binge watch Law & Order and then go to jury duty I guarantee you're gonna be like why aren't why aren't they saying something quippy like we're the bon mots where's the dun dun yeah where's the where's that you know speeches even if you watch to kill a mockingbird that's better than jury duty so when you go to jury duty it's boring a lot of lawyers aren't very articulate none of them look like actors half the jury's on their phone secretly like it's not the same thing so in space I feel like we have these Star Trek Star Wars Battlestar Galactica red dwarf ticker pic and whatever your idea of what space should be and we're not there yet and we're taking too long and it costs too much and we're taking too many like almost I would feel like a scientist we're kind of we're being too careful and I feel like SpaceX is kind of like that eh let's just nuke it and terraform it like you know what I mean like that's not careful planning to me that doesn't feel like it's very systematic or scientific it's kind of like well a hundred years we're going to do all this great stuff and we're going to be on this other planet and I love his sense of adventure and excitement but I just the skeptic get me is just wondering if any of this is really plausible because again we have these stipulations of we don't want to screw up the planet by doing all these things thinking that it's going to help us get there faster but it may mess up future endeavors so I don't know it'd be interesting to see what happened if we did in fact Mars with earth life I mean what would you get yeah I almost think it's like something you can't stop it's just nature like yeah comets fly over and they drop DNA or whatever on this planet and all kinds you know moon rocks whenever it's just something we can't avoid so why why worry about it like which would we end up getting a lot of really tall people laughter well no because there's less yeah is gravity on Mars so eventually unless they have a way to counter that you know mm-hmm so I can answer I can actually answer that question oh good um this is from the same conference I went to last year this from a guy named Al Globus that's a great name NASA guy forever and now he's big into space settlement he's well he's a guy who's like thinks we should like you know have orbiting like cities like the torus you know like that's his thing he's not too big on Mars so he pointed out that this is quote from him we know absolutely for sure that kids would grow up week on Mars and they would probably never be able to visit earth so if you actually raised a family on Mars you're stuck there because of the difference in gravity if you took your Martian raised human back to earth the gravity would probably like break their spine oh my god I'm just thinking of the best spec script I'm gonna write for CW now I was just thinking Elton John was right Mars ain't the kind of place to raise a kid is that really what he said yeah he's our visionary Rocket Man that's that's I mean I can't look it up right now but that I'm pretty sure that's right I just think where I like how we're already thinking about bullying possibilities these poor kids from Mars about how they're never gonna make the football team because they're too fragile well you know if you're on Mars though Elon was talking about this like it'd be fun you can like lift heavy cars and like other things jump really high in the air so he said to be kind of fun so maybe sports on Mars would be awesome I like how he's selling it with like Superman ability this is only 38 what was it 38% gravity compared to earth Tom something like that so we a we would weigh like 38 pounds if you're a hundred pounds on earth you weigh 38 pounds I just find it would end up kind of like Blade Runner in the sense that earth would be where all the poor people end up because they can't afford the offworld colonies and so it's going to be all replicants and really good chinese food because that's what was in Blade Runner and really awesome bars and synthetic snakes and strippers and not a neon and Harrison Ford and then everybody else gets to be in the offworld colonies I it's going to be interesting because if this does happen just the possibilities of what that means for culture for society for the gap between the haves and have-nots and who gets stuck here and who gets to go to Mars so I mean obviously that's not going to happen in the next hundred years that's probably 500 years situation unless we just get blown up for like some sort of intergalactic highway I still think I'm a big proponent of all the sci-fi out there i do think Hitchhiker's Guide to the galaxy is the closest to what's going to happen is we're gonna be in the way of some sort of construction project of some other aliens never be like just blow up earth it's in the way yeah and that's the end so Elon better hurry up when it's right I had an insight today watching the presentation on kind of why Ilan style is what it is you're like why he's like the only guy doing this space stuff but doing it with like the pizzazz and like you know promoting every landing even when like they don't work and then things crash and blow up like you know it's like all completely transparent and he's all about marketing and exposure and attention when nobody else in the space can be even NASA's not as good as he is about are pretty good and it's because look if this is his vision and this is something he actually thinks is going to happen in his lifetime he's going to have to build enough support around it enough enthusiasm around it to number one have the amount of investment he's going to need to change lives to make this possible to probably change treaties to make this possible so this they're like has to be like a groundswell of public support for this idea like you had with the space race maybe so you know based on what we've seen of SpaceX and kind of the enthusiasm over the last five years since curiosity did I mean do you think that's possible is there enough public support to you know let's pretend that he's right this is possible who do you think people get behind it crickets I mean sure that happened with Mars before yeah I think people get behind it but again i'm wondering if people get behind it because we're so warped and we want the sci-fi it becomes real sigh real and so sci-fi that we would do this or I don't know like I mean it's hard to get this country let alone the world to agree on one thing so I like you said you know treaties would have to be figured out I mean I don't know the International Space Station has it figured out that it's not too political I would assume so maybe there is a way to do this and there's there's ongoing interest in all of this what's his first milestone the as in mind like what's the next step here so if i recall stephen he was talking about starting to launch some the dragon landers which are the Landers that spacex has that could land apparently on any surface that's water or solid in the solar system so sending you know for sending the couple of those unmanned to Mars over the next five years and then sending people and then starting to build the infrastructure yeah sublime at all starts what according to him within about ten years yeah he also talked a lot about mass producing rocket boosters you know so now he's they're able to make 300 i think it was 300 rocket boosters in one year which is pretty phenomenal you know so that's almost one a day that's pretty incredible so he's talking about mass-producing these getting the cost down of all this and making a very efficient spacecraft when i was watching this whole thing I kept coming back to interstellar like yeah I learned everything I learned like everything you say from watching uh what's his name uh what's the actors name of that movie Martin Short know uh Matthew McConaughey oh I'm thinking entertaining I think yeah yeah that movie is great too that's even better I think I just kept going to interstellar and I kept going to Martian you know and i'm like okay yeah I efficiency that makes sense well yeah I mean they're building these rocket boosters they're gonna be building these ships he said those the models that we saw in all these videos that they've been showing were actual CAD models of these ships so I mean they're well on their way towards making this a reality and then you know this whole event was like it was like a pitch it was like a giant pitch you know for funding basically yeah and he talked it all so about like even if you guys don't give me some money i'm gonna be putting my own money into this you know I'm unmask my masking a large amount of money to make this happen so I'm going to do it with or without you so I thought that was very interesting and very ballsy all I needs is like maybe a handful or a hundred other really eccentric billionaires to help him like create some sort of Justice League of rich billionaires into space and we could probably get there look I mean once the system was set up to get people back and forth to the point where you can actually survive there you know he was talking about it would cost about two hundred thousand dollars in today's dollars for somebody to move to Mars and crazy if that if you get to that scale where that's possible there is probably a million people yeah in the developed world it would move to Mars for two hundred thousand dollars I mean that's still cheaper than San Francisco Oh big time if you got a house once you got there yeah yeah exactly don't even those numbers where those numbers come in from he could just be pulling that out of thin air I think that's like his projection of what he's hoping it you know that's that's kind of the number he hopes it to be in the future right using solar power and in these in the farming of potatoes yeah the fuel farming whatever they gonna do electrolysis on Mars to separate water from you know separate the chemicals in the water to build fuel so so weird I would throw down though it is kind of like a why like the old I mean it's just like I guess climbing Mount Everest look there's no reason to do it except to do it why would anyone actually do this except to do it there's no I mean yeah rising sea levels like maybe don't live on South Beach in Miami but like everywhere else is up still okay no it's not that's totally not I just wrote an article for cnet on Bill Nyes prediction of climate change of what's going to happen in the next like 70 to 100 years and we could look at all of our coastal towns being underwater very in that timeline so if if climate change is happening the way it's happening whether or not you believe it we did it or its mother nature doing it it's happening so the earth is changing and where there's a lot of cities that are going to be underwater and there's a lot of land that's going to be underwater and there's a lot of countries that are gonna be underwater so this is something that people are definitely looking at and worried about and instead of putting a stop to it if we can even put we may not be able to stop climate change anyway if that's the case that's why these types of people like Elon Musk saying well if the earth is going to you know implode on itself or we're going to destroy Earth here's another option and I think people are actually starting to look at this seriously and I know I was kind of macing it in a sci-fi fan kind of way but I want him to succeed like I don't not want this guy to succeed like I don't feel like you know he's insane enough that it might actually work and it might actually happen I doubt I'm going to be around to see it but I hope it happens because we need to have some sort of plan because earth isn't going to be the way we have it now forever and so we either need to figure out okay how are we going to survive on this planet once mother nature takes over and decides to get rid of us or where can we go and I like the idea of space cities like not necessarily being on a planet but kind of like you know I guess if we're going to use the sci-fi analogy like Cloud City on Star Wars just don't have Lando in charge of it but I mean really yeah or or the death or something where I and I thought that's we were going with international space station's was okay is it possible to live for many years on a space station and how big can we could build these space stations and can we do like growing crops and all that stuff and have a city within a space station so to me that's where I thought we were going that necessarily planet colonization but I could be wrong there's a really a guy tirana mer his name is john s lewis i want to say he was at like arizona arizona state but if you google him he's had a pretty amazing career and I saw him give a talk once where you know his whole thing was we should be spreading throughout the solar system as far as we can just because because like we're just like this infant civilization you know we're just like these people on this one rock like imagine a we're capable of amazing things right now in terms of things that we've created and things that we've built in systems that we've built in the internet and snapchat and their spectacles now and all that stuff and so his whole thing was like you know imagine like what a quadrillion people spread out through the asteroid though I mean it's just like the ultimate manifest destiny vision and you have to imagine that maybe Elon Musk has a little bit of that attitude swell yeah he never does interesting point he never really talked about like we have to get off this planet because the you know because it's getting warm and the atmosphere is disappearing he was talking about it like we need to be a multiplanetary species you know that was kind of his main pitch so I thought that was yeah not that was probably the best way to go once you start doing fear-mongering then it goes down the drain so the fact that he's doing a willy wonka oh he's talking about going to he's talking about going to Mars and then heating up that atmosphere is very present really good at it yeah you know I did you fast though he's like we're gonna go there we're gonna do climate change there and they will do best yeah if you're good at ruining planets put it in our own favor maybe we could ruin it to the benefit of all mankind the way he mentioned it was actually really funny he didn't mention like at the very beginning is like yeah there could be an apocalypse I'm the word it'll be but no we should probably worry about that and then he's and then you don't know ours he's like yeah Mars is a little cold but we could warm it up a little yeah yeah it was so fast exactly how he said it I mean talking about nuking all I'm imagining is him being an old man like the grandpa that created Jurassic Park and that's all I'm thinking now is just the billionaire he's like well we could do this what because you know making dinosaurs out of amber what that was just for fun that wasn't anything other than but now I I hope that this happens I really do I just don't know how it's going to happen and I am interested to see all the things that go wrong before we get it right right and hopefully that won't set us back because as we know with NASA once there's a major catastrophe everything stops for a long time until they can start it up again so hopefully that won't happen here which is a point he made you know is that you can't really rely he says you can't really rely on agencies like NASA because they're politically motivated and we would they were motivated by the space race and fear of the Soviet Union to get to Mars and then yeah you know the challenge the shuttle the shuttle mission ended the show program ended then there's kind of we're just on this trajectory of like yeah maybe we'll go to Mars in the 2030s but you know maybe that's a way we can wrap up the show is you know looking into our crystal balls and what do you think is realistic in terms of when we got I saw that's part I was thinking about something else I had really balls realistically when do you think we have a colony on Mars is it going to be with you on musk in a hundred years 500 years never I'm thinking it's gonna be sooner I think it's gonna be like in the next 20 years I think God how many people a small crew like Matt Damon and his crew like you know I played alone small group how long does it take to get to Mars it takes like two years for something you can get there in nine months nine months yeah so I think it's totally possible that this will happen if your pitch Gilligan's planet isn't it yeah yeah 20 years I'm same movie star a professor and Mary yeah I I think it's possible but not with humans I think they should have robots figure i already have robots no I mean real robots not robots like cures Romeo or was a real rope no I know but I mean humanoid robots like robots that are slight human slight robots so we could test the the living capabilities like robots that are like mobile VR like so we can still enjoy it but we don't actually have to go I know maybe I'm being an idiot but I kind of feel like you should have humanoid robots to test everything before the humans get there not actual robots that look like tanker trucks but human asked robots to see what all the human problems will be below Osman style yeah like Jude Law more like a but yeah so they all like experience all I don't know I have blade runner on the mind because they're they're doing the sequel with that and I'm trying to figure out how they're gonna put Elon Musk in the sequel blade runner too so I think I'm just thinking replicant minded as opposed to more realistically but yeah I hope that whoever the sacrificial humans are that go first there's a list of a man yeah or sign it up there like they want to go I kind of what their name on that plan I kinda picked your lies I kind of think it'd be okay to just let the stupid people go first and then save our real scientists I don't know but okay but you need like a Matthew McConaughey up there do you want a planet full of stupid well we already have that that's what I'm saying yeah I don't know like I just I don't want to sacrifice our best scientists on something that's gonna explode like I'd rather send some you know expendable scientists not sure we would have list with a solid B students is what you're saying yeah like you know like The Suicide Squad send them and then send our brightest and best I don't know it's hard to determine this because I just don't think the first the first like voyage is going to be successful so I don't want to see all these great people die uh but I guess you kind of have to do that for North progress to happen i don't know i just use jeff i assume a successful colony will happen at the earliest one day after i die because that's just how it go oh well put your brain in a jar like futurama and you can go that I would be fine with that there you go don't let you all know that's the timetable people are you watching you like a hawk jab yeah but that that means that they'll want me to live longer no what about you can't clearly didn't think this through nothing Calvin got nothing she's like opinion I don't care interested to see but no I can't he kept this one I said McConaughey just send makan a I think we're Drita McConaughey yeah it's not Michael Cera it's makan malam McConaughey and like a robot sexy robot star that was a really good movie and he was amazing what yeah well movie monster oh I am totally off time that Michael sir I mean I would've put Eisenberg in there but whatever well is it Michael Cera isn't he like part of Funny or Die he's kind of like he's he's up everyone is everyone is anyone who's been on drugs is very heart of the joke yeah I guess so it starts again tonight doesn't yeah I don't know we'll sit we'll see what happens but yeah I i I'm hope I'm hopeful I just don't want to be on that ship but I'm hopeful lyrically I don't think any of us want to be on the ship except maybe Sparkman's ashes the next door yeah makin I myself do you think yeah Eric what do you think um so I think well I think he sold me on one thing today in the past I've written for cnet that I didn't see him even getting there before NASA just cuz he always takes three times as long as he says he's going to with all of his stuff but I think he convinced me today that he might manage to get people to Mars before NASA does maybe the next 15 years but I think everything else I don't know if any I don't know if much more than that is gonna happen in his lifetime maybe there is like a small colony or like a small you no outpost there by the 2050s but I just can't imagine much more than that but it sounds like he's gonna through sheer force of will and through the money he's got a mast of the support he has now I think he can at least get people there quicker than anybody else so that's something yeah um so I guess I guess we'll have to wait and see how it goes there's going to be a whole lot more coverage on CNN over the next hours and days so be sure to check back with us and also check back next month for a brand new show there might be a little different we'll see that's the crave cast for now and for eternity haha we will see you next time for Stephen Beecham Jeff Sparkman Bonnie Burton and Kelsey Adams thank you very much guys this was a fun one and we'll see you all next I