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welcome to the crepe cast I'm your host Eric Mack live from sunny Taos New Mexico and joining me live in the cnet studios are our regulars Kelsey Adams Bonnie Burton Jeff Sparkman and behind the controls it's Steven Beecham and also from somewhere in Texas also via Skype we got Danny Gallagher on the line whoa wait to Danny freeze okay that's his motion face uh so as Americans prepare for thanksgiving this week we have much to be thankful for from the new jessica jones out on netflix and a mystery science theater 3000 reboot hopefully coming up soon and of course the endless on sot onslaught of star wars the force awakens hype that's truly the gift that keeps on giving this holiday season uh we're gonna be discussing all that relative awesomeness but first I'm gonna hijack the show to give a shout out to the hundreds of people that so far have checked out cnet's very first crowd-sourced sci-fi novel for the entire month of November which is a national novel writing month although it should really be global novel writing month over the past three weeks I've been kind of functioning as editor and had some really interesting discussions with people from Brazil and Nepal and all over the place and we've still got a week to go to get to the goal of 50,000 words which is the the National Novel Writing Month go over thousands of people do this every november and so we're trying to crowdsource 50,000 words of a sci-fi novel that is surprisingly complicated and takes place in multiple universes and so there's about a week left and anyone can join in and there's i think at least one chapter left that hasn't even been started yet if you want to write a chapter or people jump in and edit and you know just bounce ideas off each other it's really a fascinating thing to watch me you can also just log in and watch the thing developed live which I know a lot of people do it's at cnet.com / crowd sci-fi cnet com / crowd sci-fi and that will actually take you right to a live Google Doc and you can just start jumping in and suggesting changes and additions it's been nothing if not a fascinating social experiment we'll see how the the final draft works out we're going to take quite a while to edit what we get from this month and try to produce a nice final product that we can publish later probably next year on CNN so stay tuned for that and we'll come back to that a little bit later but first let's just go ahead and jump right in to jessica jones which is out a new series out this month on netflix um our own rich trend home wrote a review and Bonnie you wrote more of a preview right yeah i wrote a preview about it a couple weeks before so here's the trailer yeah that's a trailer oh good you could talk attacker okay that what that was jessica jones played by christian Ritter and with Luke Cage who's played by Mike Colter and that's her jumping and then what happened and then well here's the thing we're gonna probably be talking about a lot of stuff that our spoiler if extent watched jessica jones yet or you want to stay completely virginal for star wars which sounds dirty now that I've said it out loud uh that you probably should just you know mute this and listen to other music while we talk lalalalalala for an hour because here's the thing jessica jones is awesome shows on Netflix you can binge watch it one night like i did all the episodes the whole seasons on netflix right now and jess used to be i'm going to use like i'm going to talk as oh i know where it like we're friends Jess used to be super hero but she had to basically stop being a superhero because she came in contact with this horrible guy named kilgrave he was known in the comics the Marvel Comics as purple man uh and he was like a Jedi mind trick guy so he convince anyone to do anything and he's played by the lovely david tennant as you see right there that brings up a great point with the kids shoving the kids in the closet I'll bring that up again that's one of his victims I feel like a mystery science theater 3000 s you'll never be extreme Bonnie I know the wider half of the podcast so the whole point i I've been big fan of Jessica Jones add the comic um I'm still hearing voices are you guys hearing what other it is so yeah he Jedi Mind Tricks everybody into all the policemen into pointing the guns at each other so he could like prove a point I mean how do you stop a guy who can do mind control that's the big problem with the big plot line yeah and a big a big element of this story and also in the comics is that it's basically the story of someone recovering after a violation yes yes so the whole point of this is more and luckily there isn't if you are very uh you know just don't want to see a rape scene don't worry there's no rape in the episode it's mental it's well well yeah he did health and yeah if someone can mind trick you into having sex with them against your will that's right so that's not consent I mean basically consent but there's no rape scene in it and no dogs died those are the two things I can hear about movies and TV shows and that doesn't show up in Jessica Jones what does happen is she has a post-traumatic stress traumatic disorder I'd never say that right post post traumatic stress just a PSP STD PST together you have acronyms trustus oh my god I can't do it anyway so she has this residual trauma going on because in the comics and they don't really explore about this and I kind of hope they do in the second season a little bit more maybe they won't maybe second season have nothing do with kilgrave but in the comics kilgrave not only forces her to sleep with him and date him he forces her to commit crimes and forces her to try to kill one of the x-men and in the comics she come pretty close to doing it till she stopped and then she has to get through rehabilitation but because she did all these horrible horrible things the rest of the superhero community doesn't trust her so she just decides she's not going to be super here anymore and she's going to be a private eye kitchen and this is the same world that's post Avengers destroying New York trying to save New York right this is the same New York the Daredevils in this is the same that's that realm so and it's oh I'm sorry and so the cool thing is with the show is that you have dared down she mentions the vengers she mentions daredevil comes into it Rosario Dawson's in it that's not a spoiler that's been known for a while since the show was greenlit so she comes into it so there's that daredevil connection and then after this season will be Luke's show Luke Cage has a show that's the guy that she's romantically involved with in this and then after that is the defenders and they're supposed to be another season of daredevil yeah i'm confused if there's a second season of daredevil i assume there is yeah i just don't know when it shows us january is it I remember it wasn't very soon okay but he does have a nun and the defenders is the one that brings them all together defenders brings them all together and it's just interesting how I mean this is why I love Marvel so much is that they're connecting everything so they're connecting the dots to all these superheroes and all these different shows and if your squirrel girl fan in the comic she is the nanny for the child that jessica jones and Luke have but I don't know if they're ever gonna bring that in test that might not happen on the TV show inconvenient why not in that TV show and there's a lot of things on the TV show that aren't what happens in the comics clearly because Marvel Comics is a huge huge many many decades worth of storylines they can't shove everything in their perfect example of that is just a good Jones best friend pansy Walker who's played by rachael taylor and that and she is Hellcat in the comics but they don't really talk about her being a superhero or anything on the TV show they just talk about her past as a child star so it's just interesting how they left some stuff out and they incorporated other things and i'm a huge jessica jones fan so anyway so riches review you can go read it you can read my preview and see that if you want if you haven't seen it yet if you want to just have a taste of what it's going to be about or you're just slightly interested in the show I talk about how excited I am for the show and the comet connections and all that stuff if you want to read the comics and then rich wrote a review after watching season and his commentary was that he thought it was more about kilgrave and less about Jessica Jones even though the title of the show is just a cajones even though the main characters jessica jones he his criticism of the show in a nutshell and he could watch the ritas whole review which is really interesting that it was more about kilgrave and less about Jess I don't necessarily agree i think because she was violated by kilgrave that's the point of the show not that it's all about kilgrave we're all about jazz it's what happens when you are super hero that basically is defeated in the worst most violated way how do you survive that and how do you come to terms with that in the comics there said a few years further on and it's more about she's still dealing with a kind of feeling of loss of specialness like there was a time when she was free and beautiful and strong and that's gone forever you know she's dealing with that whereas the the show is immediately afterwards it's more about the violence that fear yeah and another good thing to bring up to is this is a world now where humans don't really like superheroes but they know about them yeah but they don't know what to do so if you're watching agents of shield right now that has a story line of there's people that not only do they know that aliens exist they're super afraid of them they think oh they're going to take over and you know kill the humans and then and then some cases they are killing some humans and then in daredevil he's still kind of keeping his persona hidden yeah um and also in Jessica Jones it comes up quite a few times in the series of humans that don't really cut her a break yeah and she's having a rough day she's having she's trying to save people and she constantly gets attacked by the worst neighbor ever who's just in that case so there's many different parts of jessica jones one I really like that she's a heavy drinker I was does one i said okay i need this show I need her to be a sloppy drunk who sexually aggressive yeah reason oh no I need those two things for this to be jessica jewel and here's the thing if you i think is that Melissa Rosenberg is the showrunner I feel like that's her name if ya if you look her up on Google she's done a lot of interviews with Esquire and glamour and all these different places about why she made jessica jones this jessica jones like why you didn't need to see the actual trauma you do see flashbacks of what she was like with kilgrave but you don't actually have you don't need to see the trauma to know that it existed she is sexually aggressive which is great I love that I love that it's not like this thing where she has to at the end be demure or anything and I love that she drinks a lot of whiskey but here's the other thing and this we learned this from air did we learn this from arrow I feel like with no flash mmm alcohol doesn't affect superhero it depends on your powers from your parachute that's an American you sir Captain America could drink yeah well here's the thing you were not in the movie well oh you mean you mean he can drink back in drink that's what you're saying no I mean I remember him talking in the in the first movie he would he was you know at the bar with the boys and was trying to get drunk and like yes yeah I know I mrs. super super metabolism power right right and same with flash right flash can't get drunk yeah it depends and say it depends on your precious it was like a Jessica can drink more than a normal person yeah and I think the same with Luke Luke owns the bar he's invulnerable he's yeah nothing can harm him so I don't I don't know I don't know if alcohol but here's the other thing if you're a big doctor who fan and you love David Tennant this is a perfect example see this guy's range he was already evil in another TV series called secret smile he played a stalker so you should look that up on youtube if you want to watch it I think you see one doctor who doctor but there's moments in jessica jones were you almost almost feel sorry for him almost and then you don't so i'm just gonna leave it there i don't want to spoil it for anyone else but i just want to say that you should all check it out specially if you're into superheroes if you're into daredevil if you're into marvel and if you're into a female badass superheroes and i just want to say before i forget that one aspect of the comics of jessica jones is they're very d glamorizing they show you the the unglamorous side of various famous superheroes and also a world in which people know about superheroes but they don't necessarily respect them yeah so she's kind of in the position of someone who's been targeted by revenge porn or something like everyone knows her business but nobody has stoli respect her she never knows who she's gonna meet who's gonna know something private about her and feel like it gives him some right to talk to her about it you know and i will say there's a great scene where she makes fun of a costume because they're there are flashback scenes especially with her and her turn Patsy who's called Trish Walker in this where she tries to get her to wear a superhero costume because they grew up together because in the comics and in this Jessica Jones gets her powers because they're her family are on their way to something like Disneyland type place and they get into a car wreck and of course it's a radioactive truck that run trans they ran into and she gets her powers but her family's wiped out and she's guilt about that that's very well shown yeah she has survivor's guilt all the way through the season and so it's just interesting but they do make fun of the costume which I think it was a great touch because they do that in Supergirl a little bit too when they go through the different stages of costume they do that every superhero show arrows gone through that she's just pointing out Sparkman as we come was just putting on weight great I'm jawed of design they've done on the flash like those costumes could have been super dorky but look how good they are oh yeah well daredevil went through that to where he had kind of a super dorky costume and then eventually turned out okay but here's the thing she doesn't have costume her costume is basically what I would wear on a day to day basis which is just like a coat yeah which is just like dark jeans dark shirt dark and she's always like disheveled Shanna's michelle stern it was knitting her own jessica jones scarf by the way how they say i think i have i think i had the male version so i would be just I'll be Jessica Jones if she was at know if she had a fibroid problem and and no superpowers oh and if you always have a messy apartment you will appreciate the series of that oh do you want me to turn the camera no no I wasn't assistant I wasn't specified niches are right there there's things living in it I've named some things in that sink yeah gunshot the nearest window superheroes in danice's there we go and to be fair I didn't say they were superheroes uh to be fair to rich we did invite him on to defend his review but he had to go to a football soccer football game instead opinion like I don't unnecessarily say rich is wrong I just don't agree with it he said she'd be anybody and that isn't interested I could yeah yes can I add one thing to what Kelsey was saying earlier because I had this thought and I was like and I haven't watched it all the way through so I didn't want to throw my pig I kind of like this cuz it doesn't feel like a marvel property interest on say I mean I understand I didn't know it was a comment before the show came along because I'm not as up on comics and most people but and i'm not anti marvel at all i love more movies and comics and characters but i'm a DC guy and because they're a little darker and a little more brooding and this does not feel like a marble property to me and I'm sure there are other examples don't give me yeah Daredevils / you know good but this feels like I mean it feels like a like a dark kind of film noir detective noir which is my favorite style of film you know set in the modern age with like I said with a lot of you know modern elements you know about like this woman who's coming back from this very horrific incident and I kind of just I like that style of I like those kinds of stories and and and it every time I look at the title screen I'm like there's a Marvel logo there that doesn't feel like it belongs there sure it's just no I mean you're right it was it is really dark and another comment that rich put in his review which I actually do agree with is that he said he wished that it was more about her using her powers to solve other people's like cases brought to her and there wasn't really a lot of people bringing cases to her it wasn't like a proper detective show where each episodes a case you know it wasn't kind of like that it was an overall story arc and it's a lot of her just dealing with who she is internally and not necessarily about I mean you get a little taste of the people that hire her at the beginning and that doesn't work out so great I mean I feel like most different cases are her spying on cheating spouses I mean that's basically her bread butters is spying spouse and you want to disappoint yeah more of her powers but month and that is a deliberately frustrating thing in the comics I think yeah they choose not to tell you what her powers are for a while they choose to only show them bits and pieces cuz that's not the point it's a story of a person yeah which is kind of interesting it's hard to read but it's interesting yeah and the whole point here which i think is oh I'm sorry go ahead no no I think they say the whole point too is that when you have superpowers how much must must it suck when you basically get overwhelmed by a villain who can get into your head and make you do things and so you don't even get to use the superpowers for what you wanted you you have to do it for some villain douchebag who's like taking over your brain and sucks and that's to me that's like the worst thing ever is to have superpowers that suddenly you are not in control of somebody else is like a puppet master and that's horrible so I don't know I felt for during the show I'm just glad she drank and there's some serious sex scenes so people that were commenting on my preview going hey I really want to watch this with my 12 year old son I'm like well oh just watch it in separate right it was like if you want you can but I this is a great opportunity for the sex talk this is what could really I wish you were my mom when I was growing up you can watch showgirls honey you just have to watch it and sir well my mom my mom was a hippie so it's like I you know okay we we learned about sex a way too young so we just worked yeah but I mean this had to learn it on the street there are some realness there are real sex scenes in this I mean not just I mean real sex seems like there were some kamasutra moments so I was just like this is this is I'm learning good morning this is good how many episodes are there on netflix right now I get started 13 yeah and you can do it all in one sitting I did it it's just uh maybe don't though maybe don't I just fixed I don't want to help my boy on the show you have to kind of watch it slowly yeah but I wish this is it to me this is an anti binge-watch show like if you watch it all at once oh I had a chick is anyone spoiled for me online well we had I mean you know as professionals people like how dare you call me that's her professional professional yeah a professional ascribe a bard is this is the anti but this is one you want to watch slow this is like one you don't want to you don't want to want it you know what chubby there we there we park on yonder you've never seen me drink wine either uh yeah so here's the thing i binge-watched fine wine I will I will binge watch it it's like boxed wine for me right Solomon and then I'll go back co shows I I'll watch all of it at once like a like a cheap target box wine and then and that's a plug in case they want to send me any and then I'll go I'll skip a week and then I'll come back another week and slowly watch it and devour it like a fine French wine and I'll slowly watch it so I have to speak through it and then i'll rewatch it cuz that's what i do with daredevil all amend my metaphor this is like a 30-fold scotch whiskey that you have to work slowly to truly appreciate ok I can I can I can understand that so here's here's one last thing I want to say about jessica jones and we can move on because i have to get everyone's opinion on this after they watch it if you haven't watched all of it i told you don't need to have watched all of it necessarily but you saw in the trailer when when kilgrave came into that house and put the kids in the closet and the whole comment was he said that kids should be seen and not heard and he's like bitter yet I don't want to see the kids and he puts he tells them to go in a closet that's the first episode second episode that's the second doesn't say what happens to those kids it never gets revisited as I said this all like are they harry pottering and they're like big they're gonna get like a Gryffindor letter like what do they think is gonna happen he's very shaky flicks but we never find out cuz there's other people he tells to do things that you see what happens to them but you never find out what how they do mention that that his power only lasts for a certain that's changed yeah it wears office in the comics it wears on okay I'm not physically close to him all right I'm just gonna assume the kids are alive but I really like the idea of them still in the closet was that an anti spoiler I don't know anyways your mission I feel like that's a spoiler cuz I don't yeah about the kids well what happens to them after be where we don't know we can't tell you about something right now so we don't know we don't know what happens vacuole a shin right accusation is totally different revealing anything but the revealing is that there's nothing review those kids are still in the closet there's gonna be another Marvel show just about those kids stuck in the closet Clara what's new job to go look for the kids anytime move on to another show that I think is also kind of an anti binge-watching show unless you are you know really have a lot of Mountain Dew my family used to watch this for hours at a time so you're wrong Eric it's time in watching show time and the cording is for Thanksgiving they're doing a marathon what kid am I just want to hug him know I love Joel can I just start I touched him once okay oh yeah I met him I know I run up to him and he's not a hugger I don't like it when people touch it but I ran up to him once and it was at a ILM presentation when he's doing cinematic titanic it wasn't their version cuz it went into different parts that was rifftrax and then cinnamon Titanic but this is actually Mystery Science Theater they're bringing it he got the rights to the name he got the ridge the name they're bringing it back it's two different there there's a new cast though so the original cast is going to be involved creatively which means behind the scenes like writing stuff and there's going to be cameos however the main thing is that the new host is going to be Jonah ray from Nerdist he does a bunch of stuff with Chris Hardwick and he's done stand-up and stuff and then the story that I just wrote then went live today is that Felicia Day is gonna be the new mad scientist and she's dogs she's gonna be dr. foresters daughter how cool is that oh my god thats laser blast I love laser turret was it would she be the granddaughter cuz wasn't Mary sealing no she's married she's married mary jo peels granddaughter so it's her character cuz she was the mom oh so it's okay i got so weird cuz mary jo peel played a bunch of different character so right i don't know it's confusing but just just know that Felicia's in it and Jenna raised in it and they have two new voices for um crow and turbo turbo Tom servo shut up shut up Tom servo and crow I have two different comedians that Jonah ray hand-picked because they're friends of hits so it's a brand new cast so that's the thing you gotta know but they will have cameos and the Kickstarter is at 2.6 million out of a two-million-dollar that's their first goal so there are two million dollar goals for three episodes and then it gets cheaper after that so 3.3 million I think they get even more episodes there's a fire hydrant there's a graphic if you go down yeah somewhere 5.5 million and you get a full season of 12 yeah so the thing is it's and they explained it in my first article when I announced the show on scene at I explained that breakdown of what that means and why it's cheaper to do more it costs and that initial 2 million because of all the upstart fees right of all those stuff you do at the very beginning and then like pay for the puppets and stuff like that and then after that it's you mean puppets they're not real they're not real but the girl robot is do not destroy my fantasy here's the cool thing know some of these Kickstarter perks are that oh well what's going on there hey hey that was that was just close to close Oh what are you showing this is see Matt what are you doing in the oil ah oh my god I can't concentrate okay thank you um I totally lost what your oh oh my god why'd you do that to me perks perks perks going on ripstop the perks are you can get a VIP set tour you can show up on the show you can have your joke like you can have one of their riffs one of your mocking of movie quotes on the show you can even get one of the puppets if you like give him a lot of money I think I was like ten thousand dollars you get to take crow home with you or something so Jeff did someone take a riff of yours once or am I making that up oh yeah for the rifftrax they had a contest and it was for the live riff of reefer madness nah they had a contest where they know in a bunch of scenes they wanted you to do jokes for it and they picked one of mine dude that's awesome so I got to see people laughing at a joke that I wrote in a movie theater Wow from rifftrax which is half of the Mystery Science Theater gas yeah this is gonna blow your mind what year was that um you remember I had a two yeah I actually won it didn't it wasn't in the movie but I actually want tickets to that show for a riff contest they did on their blog where it was like you had to they put up it was a funniest idea they put up a family circus and you had to take a riff from one of the rifftrax and put it in nice and I don't remember what it was but I want a ticket to that reefer madness show oh sweet thats that's creepy the irony is I didn't actually get to see my name at the the credits at the LOB because the theater that I went to see it at they screwed up the feed oh and so like that it was like they showed the very end of the movie and then there was like oh yeah we're running late clip Oh guys just like the Oscars yeah I know I got played off Oh so anyway you can read about it on cnet about what's happening you can still contribute I think they have 17 days left for the Kickstarter so you can you know you know raid your savings so you can buy a puppet or something but it's cool because the once they make these episodes they're going to see if a TV if they could distribute it on TV but it's going to be online regardless I mean it's going to be able to be viewed but Joel does want to see if they can try to get back on cable so we'll see what happens with i'm hoping sigh fire maybe netflix i'll pick it up I mean that would be pretty rad so i made for netflix and then also just keep in mind leagues because they do this every year every Thanksgiving because the show debuted in 1988 on thanksgiving day they do a thanksgiving day movie marathon of mystery science theater and i wrote in the Felicia Day article that went up today towards the bottom of the article tells you where you can go to watch all six episodes that they're doing their new up movie episodes not brand brand new but I think they're just ones i haven't I don't know if they've been released on DVD or not or if they've been different ones that have been selected on DVDs oh no here's the thing if you're collecting all the mystery science theater DVD collections from shoutfactory there's a lot of them yeah yeah there's a lot like I lost track after I don't even I have most of them and I still think I'm behind it's like trying to own all the Simpson boxsets like you just even worse it's even worse with you starting with the Rhino yeah that's where I started yeah you just are so many so anyway they they have that video on youtube mix planes where you can watch them all and stuff but you should check it out and it should be something that you watch with your family every Thanksgiving out like we did kelsey did you meet you too when you're on thanksgiving particularly just all the time i used to do it a lot yeah and mystery science theater has an official youtube channel too so you can watch other movies that they've got up there for free and that's kind of a cool youtube channel so that's my schtick but yeah I had to do full disclosure I'm friends with Felicia but here's the thing i didn't know she was gonna be on the show and I just talked to her like last week she didn't mention anything so she's really good at keeping secrets and they have like a mad scientist they have one more person that they haven't announced yet on the show who's supposed to be her henchmen so they haven't even announced who that person is it's not Wil Wheaton cuz I already asked him one time and also he's made perfectly clear in his facebook it's not him so I don't know who it's gonna be I hope the henchman isn't I want it to be Nathan Fillion but you might be busy so I don't know maybe listen in your cut list in the comments of the article why do you think should be I think it's gonna be ray Fiennes I was gonna nominate Jeff it's not me that's not jealous sweet I would give my left well I would give parts of my body for that to happen yeah it's not Chad and that's not what we may be John Hurt I don't know maybe market um maybe mark its Lorne Greene I hope you know I think it could I just this just hit me and I thought this a bit actually be a cool pic yeah Jon Hamm yeah yeah he was good I that's a good segue in the Star Wars because he did though SNL skit that I am so hot this weekend oh yeah Jon Hamm solo trying to audition for the Han Solo roll it was an article I wrote about star wars force awakens auditions that SNL did a skip for which they do for every Star Wars movie as we all remember Kevin Spacey playing Christopher Walken trying out for Han Solo's probably the most well-known SNL skit that happened a while back is was all the cast were different celebrities in this and then actual celebrities were also in this so you had Michael Buble singing uh making rookie to the song baby whoopee and then you had Emma Stone just trying out for Ray the character ray and then you had John Hamm dressed as Han Solo and he said just call me ham solo and it was amazing I'm Leslie Jones showed up with the the Klingon yeah they did you a star trek joke at the enemy can't come on but it was very sweet and but there was some that were kind of a little um at home like when jock both Daisy and genre there's Daisy with oh yes I'm trying to be so Fiat yeah Sophia fair i got from Modern Family screen test Javier Bardem I have a suggestion sir is a lightsaber me on but maybe he's coming from here you should fast forward it to the jon hamm he's at the very end if you want to the only joke didn't think was very funny cuz I hit him a little bit with John boyega who's plays um and Finn he said he laughs when he reads oh you want a black storm trooper and laughs at it like it's a joke and I'm like I know he's riffing on fans oh there's Jon Hamm so if you guys want to start you have the first line it's what's up ham solo and I'm like how's it going guys so I feel so conflicted about all this because you know every crave cast comes up every month and there's been more and more Star Wars hype and it's like we have to acknowledge it a bit because half what this at this point we have actually hyped the Star Wars hype you know what I mean like the conversation about how there is too much hype like we're hyping that I don't think we've done a full on Star Wars like force fatigue article which I'm tempted to write because I mean I used to work for Lucasfilm and I never felt this tired writing about Star Wars and I worked there for 10 years and this is the first time I'm like every other article I'm writing for cnet feels like a Star Wars article one because they do really well on cnet because everybody wants to talk about Star Wars 2 there's some great stuff out there and all of us freelancers are writing about seeing that not just me I mean I mean Star Wars not to me but the problem now is that I'm finding I just I I'm just getting a little tired of all the teaser trailers and trailers and I'm not trying to be spoiler free but it's like guys leave us some stuff like the loop machine I mean it's very much okay here's a perfect example I wrote a story about the first word that's gonna be spoken on Star Wars because Jimmy Kimmel last night had a whole episode eddicated to star wars force awakens with the whole cast there except for mark I don't think mark was there uh but Harrison was she was he or was he um and so Jimmy asked JJ Abrams what's the first word that's spoken and he said if you don't want to know what shut your ears but it's this that means this this this is the word okay great can I just jump in if you're getting mad that you did that if you're not i mean you specific Thank You star wars fan was not mad that we've spoiled the first word uttered on screen in the film you need help so here's my mate that's that's too much there it is I'm trying again policy that was a teacher right there all the fans uh no better hardcore Star Wars fans know the first word to every Star Wars movie that's spoken and the first bird and the scroll on the opening crawl right and I included my article all the first words that are spoken in all the Star Wars films just in case someone thinks there's a pattern or clue or I mean if you rearrange the words yes it does spell Sith it also spells something I also spells a curse word okay or hits yes yeah it's right that's a nice uh one stormtrooper can't it's the broad side of a barn but anyway so i don't know i i'm excited to December just so we can stop talking about it well yeah in the interest of time I'm gonna move us a little bit beyond the first word let's get into the let's get into the meat and you guys have written some really interesting pieces that are actually unique and different from what everyone else is is writing in particular let's let's start with Danny then we'll come back to you Bonnie but Danny you wrote an interesting take on you know the missing Luke Skywalker in all the the clips we've seen so far what was that about because yeah cuz I watched the trailer I actually watch the football game where the traitor and yeah and and everyone you know ever the only thing everyone seemed to be talking about was it there's no Luke where's Luke and so I thought okay I'll just make fun of this a little bit and kind of started reading up on what the theories were uh you know the bigger ones like you know he's joined the dark side or that I think he died and now he's a forest ghost I don't know what the term is for when he when Jedi die and become a ghost um yeah that works yeah so but it's just like it it it hit me like just how impatient i think some people are to just know we're like like there's kind of this what bothers me about the hype is that like some people don't understand that part of the fun of seeing movies is that you kind of let the mystery build and then when it's revealed it hits you in the face like the cinder block and so that's what what was kind of how I approached the theories I came up with and my favorite was that that Luke was in the trailer yeah puppet but now he has a Jedi invisibility powers see I think we just saw check technically he's yeah technically he's in every scene he's invisible I think we just saw him because i don't i don't think r2d2 let people touch him like that not there anyway the guy in the black glove yeah yeah they want they want you to UM the prevailing theory was that he's the hooded guy with er QD yeah um but but even that it's what like is he Demark is he dead is he yeah who cares you it you know it's a glorious beard full of secrets it's Abrams phenotype you know it's probably a written coffee yeah yeah I turn on this movie that's another theory oh yeah and what you know yeah what makes ray cry so hard who dies first I'm so low I think yeah that's what this is what fans are for this is what we do we debate things to death we try to figure out what's going on and who's gonna die and he's gonna survive and where people got dark and I mean I get that but I still like the internet kind of ruined something like when I was writing this piece I went back and kind of looked over some a JJ Abrams other movies and I watched his TED talk on the mystery box which is one of eight ted talks sir oh my god will you eat that box have you watched his shows it's a terrible way to write a story oh I don't have to actually have a story here I just have to get people excited and then wander off and think about something else if I terrible he runs everything don't get me started on Star Trek you ruined it anyway back to you yeah I don't know what Star Trek was purgatory right oh I like to generate what but no though it was like you don't have to know everything but sometimes the fact that it's a mystery makes it makes it better yeah not knowing what's in the box makes it more and makes it more fun but there has to be sitting in the box ultimately I understand that yeah I mean there's a deal it's called the for us okay it's a force the forces in the box you just absolutely like mystery science some features some gonna box when you when you go see are you not looking for mrs. sharp whores now I didn't know you had this hit much hate for JJ room oh I really do I hate him wow I didn't know that either yeah no I think it's very talented because you're that's what's frustrating about it he gets you excited he gets you interested in he's got nothing he can't deliver interesting I agree a hundred percent that's the electricity's me and looking good this is yes is that the beard of a crazy man I don't think what could beforehand it out eric is Luke obi-wan americana five nights a week and so Bonnie what and what about your take Leia and Carrie Fisher yeah so I wrote an article for cnet about how I was really excited that they let Carrie Fisher be Carrie Fisher like they let Princess Leia who's now general layout which is sorry spoiler but if you're watching this you're already got everything really didn't she stop being a princess about halfway through the first movie technically I mean technically yeah because when you blow up the planet that you grew a princess of an asteroid field princess of nothing after that but I mean I think they kept it because hon yeah kept calling her princess to get under her skin and she was leading troops even back then yeah I mean she was leading troops back then and you can see even in that background with the blue and the green that's the same blue and green we see her when she's uh given general orders when she's in her cool Empire Strikes Back outfit and I'm not talking about the bikini I'm talking about it at the very beginning oh yeah that was returned yet anyway my point was they let her age gracefully and they didn't CGI up her face and they didn't make her get a bunch of plastic surgery so that's what she looked like when she was in the original trilogy and then Steven work your magic show her now Jordao uh I know we'd do it now cuz i'm talking about her it's a demanding i'm like a general there we go so they like you know i'm sure those touched up a little bit just because you can't have any photo ever be released for anything without slightly touching up but she still looks amazing and she's aight aight we did some more pictures of her that have come out for this new movie and she looks amazing and so I'm super stoked that they let her age gracefully but let her be her they let her still be someone of power she's a general she's not there to just be you know Han Solo's love interest she's actually still very powerful very interesting character and and I also brought up some stuff about in Hollywood there was a bunch of actresses that have come out of the ageist closet recently that has said that Hollywood needs to knock off their ageist problem and one point in particular was I believe Anne Hathaway and Maggie Gyllenhaal who were both in their 30s were told they were too old to play a love interest for men in their 50s wow wow yeah and Meryl Streep's said stuff about ageism and she's played some amazing we're all to me Meryl Streep's freaking Meryl Streep and she doesn't you know what I mean like she has academy awards to prove that it doesn't matter how old you are it just matters how great an actor you are and how great material is that you have so i mean i don't know i love Carrie Fisher in general I think she's amazing she's hilarious she's great on social media if you haven't followed her Twitter he should cuz she's hilarious um but I'm just really glad that she was allowed to be herself in this movie so that's what that commentary is that's me being a big old girl talking about old broads like me can I say this yes if people's sexiest man alive had a lifetime achievement category Harrison Ford yeah yeah that's right I don't know if I was off topic I love Harrison Ford too cuz he's so persnickety like when he was on Jimmy Kimmel last night both he and Carrie Fisher were just so like in their element and even on the American Music Awards this weekend when they did that horrible I shouldn't say horrible here's the thing American music if they're gonna have John Williams on I understand but says an acapella group dressed in bad star wars costumes singing and by saying I mean doing they like that kind of thing did you did you do like all of us know the theme song to star wars we've all sung it and very in various ways that make us giggle because we're being goofballs these people do it professionally so they were on the stage after Harrison Ford with almost a straight face said here's the award-winning app acapella group doing the Star Wars theme and everyone's like did you do did you do did you do and it's just come on I mean I'm sorry I mean the one harrison ford introduced right yeah okay cuz they're actually they're actually from my area sorry I remember one you're gonna get assassinated sorry yeah get my get my ass kicked why not oh no no at least you'll have a great soundtrack get a sound check the sound effects that will be amazed I don't know if you get beat up by an acapella group do they make the sound effects too while they're feeding you up don't they'll do kung kung fu fighting push I just want to write a sketch now where I'm describing it to a police officer haha what were they looking you down at harmony the baritone was a little slow the soprano really has a great left hook yeah I feel like if you get beat up by a acapella group you gotta rethink your life a little bit hey Stephen down with bass Jeff just sent around his rifftrax cuz nothing but treble so it's so we're at the end of the show here and I just before we go I want to want to say hi Joe in the alive yeah and the live stream chat room just want to say hey to i believe the name is a see leo Mendez who was one of the folks that's been a really active participant in our crowdsource I find out what I meant at the beginning cnet com / crowd so if I again if you want to check it out you know it's been really interesting there's been more than what I mean actually a handful of people who are not native English speakers who I mean you wouldn't tell it from conversing with him on facebook and in the google doc but they've been going through an ED and editing and making suggestions and then you know they tell me later that they're not comfortable writing in English although again I would never have guessed that these weren't native English speakers from just emailing and chatting with them so we have you know we have people writing then we have people who might not even be English speakers going through and doing some edits and making suggestions in a Celia with joined us in the live stream chairman's just want to say hate it to him and also just to remind everyone to go check that out at cnet com / crowd sci-fi we still got about a week left to finish writing 50,000 words we're at like you know it was growing as I was as i was logging on to the show but we were out 35 thousand words already you know approaching a hundred page crowdsource novel that you know deals with the multiverse and nanobots that let people live forever in the future it's really all of the place so Eric what's gonna happen when this gets optioned if so how many people are gonna be getting IMDB credits for producers where everybody gets like like 200 people get thirty percent yeah I know it's all it's all creative commons so oh cool anyone anyone can take it and do what they want with it actually so it is kind of to it to avoid future legal problems we just made it uh you know open to everyone all you have to do is attributed so there will probably be somewhere there will be a page with all the full credits I've been keeping track of all the people who aren't anonymous who want credit and there's there's dozens and dozens of names mostly people editing it which really surprised me um you know in addition you know not just people from from other countries but I know there's I know there's like some people from MIT who log on pretty regularly and are just going through kind of with a fine-tooth comb and editing stuff well I was wondering Eric I mean you're trying to tell a coherent story right with so many people contributing how how are you doing that isn't like herding cats like how do you do um so like on day three I realized that there was going to have to be some sort of a structure so I mean the premise the storyline is actually an idea that I've had kicking around in my head for a while just in like one sentence really quick the idea is that there is a multiple or a an alternate earth somewhere in another universe that if you go there it's kind of a more technologically advanced earth that might resemble what we would think of as heaven or utopia and and through some kind of quirk of quantum physics when people die on earth they do go to this place so a lot of people think it's heaven however on earth around twenty fifty people start the technology advances to the point where we're living a lot longer almost to the point of being immortal and with fewer people going to this other parallel planet where they're kind of used as a labor force it's nice to release through with their economy so they have to send a person an emissary to 2050 earth to convince people to start dying again so heaven needs us to die heaven needs us to digest basically that's we've got the three different options a human capital human something else uh-uh that that's one thing that is being edited um I haven't needs us to die yeah or maybe die already right yeah there we go it's a grenade and to answer your question Kelsey like so that concept at first I just had like two paragraphs what I just told you was just sitting there at the top of the dock and then it wasn't enough so around day three I did go through and I outlined each chapter so there's I basically wrote a paragraph summary of what 21 chapters and for the last three weeks people have been going in and fleshing out fleshing out those one paragraph chapters and it's been really amazing there's been only like one case of vandalism um and there's been a lot of really interesting conversations about you know really you know deep topics that I mean like I said well it crosses language barriers and it's been really really fascinating to watch and I definitely and any anyone can still participate there's still time done is it easy to read through is it kind of like an exquisite corpse where you don't really things don't really match up but it's still entertaining I mean that just seems this whole concept of so many authors and one story is very like do you have to go read and get rid of stuff and say this just doesn't work I get rid of all so I determine that so like right yeah these are like Hunger Games is it like if I contribute and you don't like it then all of a sudden I have to see my name kind of float up as you take out my part not quite that dramatic but I mean yeah if you were to go through and read I think what we have on November 30th I mean it's it's not completely coherent and early like I can go in and just add in like a lonely unicorn right like okay that'll be me I think you really have the power to what I when I we also realized the limits of Google Docs pretty quick yeah like originally I was just leaving everything in there like all the edits you can see like where stuff was crossed out new stuff was replaced and then it broke Google Docs so a couple times don't have to go in and just excited so I accept all the minor stuff as much as I can and then I do it and I can go back and have all the drafts the revision so I can go back and add anything if if I need to that's only been requested once but so yeah it I kinda kind of go in and clean it up every now and then otherwise it'll just break but you know the whole national novel writing month thing which I think you're also doing Bonnie I am that's why I'm not sleeping well alright me but that you know the goal is not to have a finished final draft on November 30th it's to have like a rough draft and that's what we'll have and then will rework it's mostly about writing is just teaching you as a writer to just have a certain amount and this is what a lot of novelists do too just so they can get through something and get done is that your first draft is always going to be crap and then it's like your second third and fourth drafts or where you actually make something real um but yeah it's basically just a torture test to see how much you can write in one day and I do the thing where I like let a couple days laps and then all of a sudden them up 24 hours writing things that don't make sense so uh and then I put foot notes on everything like David Foster Wallace type Wallace Foster see I don't even know what I'm saying I'm so tired and I even put like a Jessica Jones Oh Maj into my story it doesn't even fit I don't know why I put that in there there was like a Sherlock reference it's just I put references in of whatever i'm watching there's a Scandinavian like murder detective guy in there so because i'm watching river now on netflix so it's just I I pity anyone that tries to read whatever I write this month but I admire what you're doing Eric because it's such a cool idea to get a whole bunch of people involved and have it be like a cnet collective of your readers and our readers and people excited about this stuff so I can't wait to read it yeah I can't wait to mold it into something that's coherent enough for us to publish which we will you know next year and I know and again just big thanks to to everyone I mean there's a few people a guy named his screen name is Ryan ye I think he's I think he's somewhere in Asia I'm not sure who's just been tearing it up on there there's another guy Scott Stevens from st. Louis that's contributed a lot and then people like a celio who are just editing the heck out of it so go check it out and it's also cool to just like sit back and watch it like in real time kind of evolved in the dock so yeah netcom / crowd sci-fi so check that out and we're way over time now so thank you everyone for watching the crave cast and happy thanksgiving if you're in the US and happy figuring out what Thanksgiving is if you're not for Steven Beecham Kelsey Adams Bonnie Burton Jeff Sparkman and Danny Gallagher in Texas that's the creative cast we'll see you next time your credit yeah