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welcome to the crave cast i am your host eric mack alive from cnet's high desert bureau and joining me live in the cnet studios in san francisco or kelsey Adams Bonnie Burton GF Sparkman and behind the controls mansour Steven Beecham how's everyone doing today good I like that you made Stephen french for no reason well I am French my last name is beau sean is it really yes the whole time Beachum its Americanized okay totally totally planned that it's not cuz I'm going to France this summer but anyhow uh oh so also want to say hello to everyone on a live stream on YouTube and we're also on Facebook alive today so watching on the Facebook courage and you can join in the conversation we're keeping an eye on the chat rooms there on YouTube live stream and on facebook you can also tweet at crave and to me at erics emac to join in the conversation and today you know summers coming here in the northern hemisphere at least and but we're still stuck on our screens we're not the type that are you know gearing up for for baseball season too much we've got season finales that are wrapping up around this time of year and we're also trying to get ready for what seems actually like a pretty lackluster blockbuster summer season it's more of a lackluster season than a blockbuster season I guess so we'll talk a little bit about that and also give you an update on how you can crowdsource a science fiction novel which were in the midst of and Kelsey will test it is the project that never ends but it's cool so we'll get into that um so but let's start uh with with TV and we do have one season finale going down tonight it's the finale tonight of the flash right on CW yeah and so Kelsey and Jeff you guys are the resident flash fans your flashers yeah well not anymore anyway they're a flash mob oh so many marketing hashtags that need to happen all right talk flash yes staring at each other this guy he runs really fast okay faster it's a question um no I'm looking forward to seeing what goes down tonight I've actually fitting Jeff yeah guys guys gonna build up to it I so I'm gonna do full disclosure I broke up with flash a while ago ah because the characters really kind of annoying me all the girlfriend characters or the will they or won't they type stuff happening so I'm not I'm not caught up in this latest season so as a person who hasn't caught up what would you say is the most exciting thing that's happened this season I mean it's not been that exciting as oh okay they've been too many episodes where we spent a lot of time just talk it Barry you know the kind of guy you are yet we know we've seen watching this show for two seasons we know what Barry's like I mean that there was some plot but they kind of keep reversing it like oh we'll go over to earth to then we'll come back then we'll shake it off then we'll open it up and look at me you know I don't know Jeff yeah does it hook into legends but other show the the day actually had their their finale last yeah so how well does that interconnector does it interconnect much at all with arrow and mosh just barely legends of tomorrow right right yeah you remember the first season had that great crossover with with arrow and it was really good right it kind of emotion I've really enjoyed the crossovers between Supergirl and flash I heard that was good haven't seen it and now that super girls going over to CW it'll be interesting how much that changes if at all so so they're gonna do a big ol for pickles for way Tara for us I know I had never had to think before I was don't talk about your fan fiction Jeff it's not the show for that or maybe it is i don't know uh yeah they're gonna they're gonna have everybody cross over so what so what happened on the season finale then we still haven't talked about Oh flash yes tonight well this tonight so weird there's there's like um what's the build-up what's the thing relationship hours then he got them back okay and zoom still the bad guy and hahahaha did you take my stowed away cause you thought I was doing product marketing haha I just assumed cbs-owned coca-cola at this point we met the evil Black Canary Orion okay she's called black siren why do they have to change the name when the go evils that like start Star Wars rules like when you go to the dark side yeah it's like Darth and maybe excited actors where everybody has to have a different name I'm just starting the database superheroes and villains gotcha okay it's like the the DC television version of having a goatee that's how is it evil twin okay I get it alright so in this segment is kind of reaffirming a lot of my assumptions about the show which is that it may be its kind of fallen by the wayside of you don't you don't hear about it too much is that right is it losing momentum I don't know I used to honestly but I'm still watching I mean I've I've stayed current with it I think every week are you guys hate watching it are you like no I just didn't like it through it it's just it's kind of slowed down yeah i mean i would subvert cliffhanger ii was that even a word I just know that's totally okay and didn't Jeff weren't you saying you felt like Barry um oh I feel like Barry right now is like one of the dumbest smart guys on TV um cuz like I'm thinking about like like the first episode of flash where he's like you know seeing tire tracks in his head and he's like doing all this kind of numbers he kind of thing I always thought of a flashes Wesley Crusher of the DC like boy genius but he's clueless and social situations right so but then they've been doing this thing with the Speed Force where he just has no real short term memory can't really concentrate like he can speed read a book but then he doesn't really retain much which kind of explains why he's been letting all the other scientists do all the actual science for quite a while now yeah so he's smart but he's just scatterbrained which you know that's a thing yeah I mean maybe they should test him for dyslexia at this point I don't know like that's just I know I've never I'm not a DC person I'm a Marvel person aside from wonder woman i'm not in batman I'm not DC person so for for me its agents of shield so in agents of shield did their season finale last week I was all over that do you guys watch agents of shield or by the only one talking about it no III missed out cuz that's on a different day I don't why don't what I don't have actual cable i watch everything online so here we see Daisy so it's a I'm just gonna go straight into agents of shield do it I loved it except grant Ward so this is grant Ward taken over by Hydra the whole concept I'm sorry hi if the whole concept thank you the whole concept was that he could kind of brainwash people different in humans and agents of shield to do what he wants but he brainwashed him in a weird way that he could have possessed them in a way and it hit their endorphin so they were super happy clearly Daisy's not happy here and she's fighting grant Ward / hive what was his hive name what was his like else say us or something at something weird it means high five okay the cool David ok so there's cool things and they're not cool things about this season finale in my opinion I'm gonna do some spoilers if you haven't seen it yet you should probably close your eyes and ears for a little while but the thing is really kind of weird was his face reveal on agents of shield so he's kind of good-looking here as grant Ward its face cuz that's the body he took over but his real in human face kind of looks like Davy Jones from Pirates of the Caribbean he has tentacle face oh i thought you lose face monkeys not from the monkeys differently you're sold yeah i think cool is actually a bit older if we're gonna be yeah it looks more like an elder God than anything when he shows his real face but in this fight which was actually really good fight especially when you realize that Daisy is super tired she's been drained of most of her blood and she's going through withdrawals because she finally got him out of her system um you can't kill him it's very hard to kill him so she just stabbed him like four times and he just stared at her hey let's see whose body has been taken I'm sorry this up in I really never mind we're here to get super nerdy come on oh just hairy on do it micro bees and they're like rebuilding and smashed nano nano tech in a way no bits biological spy own and I've by own Daniel by microorganisms go on please this way i love you here cuz you came onto the show to not be on a show it's crazy yeah good I love it I'm like a wicked microbiome or something yeah here's the other thing that I'm in this season finale I still here grants voice hang on okay in the trailer I'm like only crap it's just as easy to the cross see the cross that just went through the air like that the necklace yeah so the thing the whole problem the whole premise of this and it was a two-parter finale was that Daisy's trying to get him out of a system so she's going through withdrawals in the meantime I've wants to in fact the entire world with this virus that could decide whether or not humans become these weird in human type well it wakes up any potential in humans and turns the rest of them into kind of servitor yeah like weird and you face head things oh there's our imminent in the this is a very very very very end odd six months forward after they take down the you know the operation blow up the earth within human virus uh and we find that Daisy is now gone rogue and she has like a weird goth outfit now and blah blah blah blah not being super rugby wearing a lot of me okay so the thing I wanted to get back to you so that cross necklace that was flowing in there what happened was Daisy touched an inhuman that who's in human ability was to look into the future but she only gets bits and pieces of the future so that's all she saw and then she saw a patch of a jacket that she thought might be that Jack okay so that jacket so she doesn't know if that's her she is she thinks it's her but we find out later it's not here's the thing that it's not just the future specifically flashing forward to somebody's death exactly so the problem with this idea though is that there's this whole idea of self-sacrifice and the cross and I got super jesusí which I was not expecting in a sci-fi show to go super Jesus eat okay can I just point out so Coulson has this line here where he's like well yeah it's times like this that I realized why other people pray because like he doesn't pray because he's too cool for that this is exactly like this thing that happened in one of the worst episodes of season one um where sky is all you know I'm not a Christian but if I were this is how it should be god is love global you know so it's like they're trying to have it both ways they're trying to lecture us about Christianity while pretending that they're not actually Christian which they obviously are um I think it's obnoxious I I think it's odd like I I was kind of like where did this all come from I'm glad you brought up that episode because I totally forgot that episode where she even talked about that and I'm like um are there no other faiths in the writer room right now and also it's just I mean I get it having faith and your comrades or your crewmates or your agents is a good thing self-sacrifice there's something wrong with that and there's nothing wrong with being Christian it was just jarring moment in sci-fi where you're like wait what what's going on I just rejected the dishonesty of it you know like have a Christian character like yo-yo for example and that's great Mac whatever that's their faith but don't pretend your other characters aren't but then put these words in their mouth that's what it also don't treat us stupidly like we know the story of Jesus you don't need to throw across interface and go so sacrifice like we know everybody even if you're not Christian you know that story so it's like you don't need it to be part of this huge plot line I thought it's funny they picked Lanka's the figure 2 because um cnet colleague eric franklin really hates him sorry Eric he just thinks he's really weak I mean this is a while ago maybe he loves him by now I don't know but and we were talking about it anyway he was saying like what's the point this guy's got no chemistry with Daisy and it's like no that is the point of him he's like the tiger beat boy he's harmless he is that's the whole he is he's a Lisa Simpson with it didn't what comic did she's to read the non-threatening boys magazine zactly yeah he's good non-threatening whereas clearly grant Ward was the bad guy or bad boy that she was finding herself attracted to but didn't really know how to deal with that but you know so she liked having the non-threatening boy yourself I was bad for lightning but I just call him lightning boy I would feel bad for lightning boy because it seemed like oh this guy's going down he's disposable so anyway so then that happened a couple episodes before this they did a very horrible shout out to I guess agent Carter's dead because they show a newspaper clipping of agent Carter debt because she shows up as an old lady in Civil War right um no and that's she shows up in Winter Soldier Winter Soldier that's it yeah has an old lady in civil where they just announced that she's alright and then they announced he's dead I read china home was complaining that we didn't get to see her die I'm on camera which I personally think it's sort of morbid like she was already out of the story why do we need to well I want to see her die too I feel like if you're a big superhero or your big character in the superhero franchise you deserve a good death well you don't bothered me her funeral the only picture they have of her is when she was young like it's all about steve and what she meant to steve it's not actually her funeral I mean she lived this really long like she did all these things but but none of that matters except the fact that she used to be young and pretty yeah that would be like if wonder woman died and they're like hey you know she dated an astronaut that's right picture of a store not like them kissing a horrible holding hands just like yeah that's that bugs me too so I I don't know and then agents of she'll get cancelled which we all kind of even know a lot of us love that you are not agents killed agent partner agent Carter agent Carter sorry decreed a heart attack on Facebook life our new partners um no agent Carter got cancelled me also cuz Hayley at Will's on another show yeah not that that's impossible there are many actors these days that are doing two shows at the same time but I think that they just the ratings weren't there or maybe Marvel just didn't think that the ratings were there I loved the show I thought it was great ABC makes it really hard to watch their shows I don't you know like something like the CW will actually upload and update that same night so yeah I shouldn't talk about it people the next day ABC even if you pay money you can't get some things sometimes for a couple weeks sorry I'm bitter about this no I am going to because I think ABC and fox are like the Grim Reaper's of cable television where they met they always they don't reek of shows really a chance to find themselves whereas CW is very nurturing and yes UW's canceled a few things here and there right off the bat but for the most part they're nurturing so I'm glad to see Supergirl moving over there for sure I really wanted netflix or CW to save agent Carter unfortunately that's not going to happen and then most wanted was supposed to be the spinoff from a she lands and Bobby right and that didn't even get greenlit that pilot was made and everything and they didn't even greet Lynn it which is weird because we all thought it would so maybe those two characters will come back on two agents of shield now that they're not going to get their own spin-off because they were disavowed as agent which was also one of the most depressing uh episodes ever of them doing the cheers at the bar and things like that so anyway so that's kind I guess that's sort of the Marvel update as far as TV and our super update Netflix is definitely not happening for agent carter i don't think so i wrote an article about it being cancelled and that there was a petition in the petition to save it got over a hundred thousand signatures already so there's definitely a pattern of people that want to see it survive somewhere but again the lead character the lead actress who's in it agreed to be on another TV show so if it is gonna go anywhere it would have to be Netflix it would have to be Netflix fall Netflix is gonna be like the only place right well the problem with Netflix and Marvel Marvel already well Marvel already has a strategy with Netflix and that doesn't include agent Carter that includes jessica jones Luke Cage defenders I mean that's what that is so I don't know I wish I could save it if I was a zillionaire I would have my own channel called agent Carter TV and just do agent Carter programming the whole time but I might be am I the only person that's observed though that when shows get cancelled by networks and then they are saved by online whether it's like you know amazon netflix yahoo whatever the the the second resurrected version is not as good as the first I'm thinking like Arrested Development and there you think immunity what about well yeah when it goes on to another network it changes a little bit like Mindy project got a saved and put on hulu right I know you're a huge mindy project fan there um but think of family guy how many times a family guy get cancelled and brought back to life it's like yeah but it's always the show that never dies yeah but Fox did try to get rid of it a few times oh yeah number time I mean I don't know I'm still bitter about Firefly get fired and then Castle got the axe as well speaking of firefly actor Nathan Fillion but there was some talk about half the cast well not half the cast two major characters getting taken off the show of course women I don't know if that means anything but the main lead that was his wife was taken off the show and the forensic doctor was taken off the show so i don't i don't know it's just weird that's and castle was a good show i mean had strong ratings um strong fan base so I I don't know I never know why certain things get canceled because it was a police procedural police procedurals do really well if you look at our lovely sideshow on cnet of all the new shows that are coming out quite a few of them were police procedurals and there's two times time travel shows oh yeah that's right so what were you saying about the time travel show that low when I was watching timeless right yeah the main a Stargate type vehicle they used to go back in time looks like what well I just I was only half paying attention so I might even have the wrong show no but when I was it would they were serving up as an ad like on hulu or something and I looked up and I'm like wow that kind of looks like the CBS I and I'm like is this a cbi show because that's you know yeah no apparently it's on NBC yeah it's like the eye of sauron CBS may go but not so there's that and I don't remember the other timeless I'm sorry the other time travel show uh a timeless might take up the agent Carter void I feel for missing the 40s so I don't know cuz they go back in time to the 40's assuming it's more I mean realistic than the DC legends time travel I know I feel like time travel is that the new zombie thing now yeah they're even doing in a game of thrones there's a lot of time travel happening I feel like time travel as a zombie it's either police or visa is either police procedural zombies or damn your history so maybe if they do other one making history so maybe if they just combined all those maybe if it's a zombie time traveler I'm down with seeing guys we were here when Bonnie found her pitch the show that i'm watching that i'm looking forward to the end up for this season has none of those elements am i the only one watching silicon valley on HBO in this group yes yes oh I don't know is there a zombie or werewolf or vampire I said there's arguably several zombies I think several characters or do that but it's super fascinating I'm season especially because one of the writers Dan Lyons who used to be a tech journalists at Newsweek he's got a he's got a book out now that I just finished it's really awesome and it's uh it's the book is called disrupted and it's his memoir of of leaving tech journalism while actually getting laid off when Newsweek went under and then he wouldn't worked at a start-up actually in Boston for a couple of years and it's so much of the show it is also in his in his memoir although i don't know if that's on purpose or not but anyway I highly I mean if you follow Silicon Valley at all i'm guessing people that are watching this because they're on cnet they probably do it's just hilarious and it nails you know so many characters I mean you'll recognize characters real-life characters in this show and does it take place now or is it the beginning of silicon valley like halt and catch fire is no it's no no it's now is now ok yeah this halt and catch fire just makes me feel old so when I watch it I'm like oh I remember when cable internet started and I remember when social media started and I remember when we saw the first Mac kind of snuck in to Comdex like so to me that's like old person Silicon Valley cuz we're all remembering that but I've been hesitant to watch Silicon Valley did you highly recommend it for all viewers or is it more bro kind of show no no it's just I mean if you know if you know anything about tech culture at all which obviously all of us do I mean you'll get you'll get a lot of the jokes okay cool it's just well written and then totally funny all right tsarni with that that's my pitch GP that's all I God ok so the one show I'm not looking forward to is that weird hanna-barbera wanna be a half animated half in real life who framed roger rabbit titled again i have a video cron no not cron it's like some weird it's kind of like he looks like he man or the dude from thunder not thunder the barbarian yeah it looks like thunder the barbarian but he's like in the real world around real humans it's live action but then it's this 2d animated character on top of it and I feel like that it's going to have the same type of humor or trying to have the same type of whereas like Archer but I don't reminded me more of like space ghost coast yeah maybe that's what they're trying to go for I don't know I thought it looked kind of funny okay well then I won't be too judging I know bad I know this is all based on like you know like two minutes of C yeah I mean how do you how can you judge a show based on a trailer and I well that's that's what the trailers for no that's what I do actually that's that's my post well these are the covers of the budget you're judging I don't know like I I don't know I all sound like with Kelsey I don't want to invest in shows are gonna be cancelled like after the first season cuz I'm not wasted a year watching a show that I'm never gonna get the ending too so I don't mind that I just having to wait a couple weeks for every new episodes illustrating it's what i was talking well how about we judged some upcoming movie haha that's what we've got Star Trek yes Star Trek so we were just talking about how there's not too much hype around this case I'm not next month well I've barely watched anything but I covered the new trailer came out on Saturday it was an event in LA for Star Trek beyond where they had the actors there Adam Mythbusters Adam Savage was kind of like the guy that was interviewing people JJ Abrams was there he's the producer and is that Justin Lin is the director from Fast and the Furious he's directing this so if you see this being a lot more fast-paced than usual that's because the dude that does all those fast and furious movies is directing um and Simon Pegg co-wrote it so think about that when you're watching this that's good this has totally been off the radar I'm gettin excited cuz i've seen all I've seen the other two that Abrams I'm excited because I'm excited because honestly they're going somewhere but here's the problem i have with the trailer and one of our viewers on our one of our followers on twitter also commented on this and you're going to see this in a minute what I'm about to say these little swarming things by the way if your star wars fan you're probably going to remember those as buzz droids all right anyway these buzz droids attack the ship and oh guess what they all have to leave in little pods oh and I guess the enterprise blows up again and one of her viewers was like why don't they just rename it the exit prize because it never stays in one piece but we got cool warrior female character um there's that yeah by the way he can't there's no way Simon Pegg can hold on to one hand I'm just putting that out there I can't even do that when I'm getting out of yeah I'm again I'm getting pumped watching this yeah at least we see her a fight some more which is great uh cuz of her uh this one he'll fight her oh and yeah she's a girlfriend Sulu the BMX action fax me up that's what's really start back you know I've really come to love the like new the new generation of in the movies not the next generation the new generation with Chris Pine I really like this cast quite a bit yeah they work here's the thing if I love Scotty but he just reminds me pretty much of Benji from Mission Impossible but that's okay because I mean Simon pigs awesome I think the cast is amazing I'm a little annoyed they're trying to keep that romance thing going between her and Spock I don't care about it and it bugs me that they keep doing that to poor who aku she's amazing as a character and they shouldn't just keep girlfriend in her up and i'm pretty sure chris pine is probably gonna have another sex scene because he has to because he's Shatner and shatner can't be depicted in any new movie without him like in bed with like a bunch of alien ladies so but they didn't put that in the trailer at least where they did with the other ten movies a shatner shadows shatner shadow so i I'm excited I I even know it's not exactly what I would do I'm excited just because it's something that's not Star Wars for a little while even though I'm a huge Star Wars fan I didn't see Star Trek get up there and also at this event that happened in LA where they released the poster they released the trailer that you just saw they're going to do a world premiere the movie at san diego comic-con with the san diego symphony doing the music so sort of what they did last year with Star Wars they're doing it this year was with Star Trek and they made that announcement which I think we also had on cnet about how they Paramount's not going to sue the fan oh the fans for their vm movie and cling taking Klingon away from the fans and all that so which is good JJ said that's you know not how you treat Franz you can't take away the stuff from the people that are giving you free marketing you don't want to take away your audience by being mean right a movie comes out too so I just wanted to say that i think in Abrams reboot of next generation would be hilarious I know me too the woods what's going on with a new TV show that is on CBS Star Trek new TV show you saw the teaser yeah well it was it was just we saw the logo and that's it okay we don't know the cast yet no okay are we at all uncomfortable with the level of influence that one JJ Abrams has over both Star Trek and Star Wars franchises I mean do we have like any kind of geek culture antitrust suit that we need to bring that's like a little much I'm not ready like we had this debate a few years ago yeah no it's did we yeah we yeah i mean i don't know he's like the male shonda rhimes sorry he's dead did a good job as far as I'm concerned no I don't know I mean every thurs critics of him and then there's people that absolutely adore him I just wrote about Chewbacca masks mom and you know that woman that has the number-one viral facebook your business with her obsessed with her because I have that mask I should have brought it oh you do I should have brought out tiger you're like that could have been me no no I don't want it to be me I did not want that level of Fame but she was also on James Corden last night he usually does the carpal carpool karaoke with singers but says she had her on cuz her laugh is pretty infectious but you could tell if she's annoyed pretend annoyed this is great right no I know that you're happy to baffle to philly back all right there's a sound like Chewbacca Nina does cubed a little late you missed it there's JJ Abrams that's why I brought this up cuz he was on what are you doing here been here the whole time can I give you one directors note yeah yeah yeah no it's less like this and it's Marcus by the way that's more director notes in George Lucas ever gave in all three movies no I dare anyone that has a carpool to do this cuz I would love to see I mean maybe not while you're driving cuz I don't know what the visibility is on these masks but uh you have to admit that is pretty funny so I don't know she's you know she's milk in the 15 minutes but she deserves it cuz she's like one of those Star Wars fans that everyone appreciates because she genuinely like Star Wars and she's having she's having fun with it what she said in that video that she put on the mask and taped a videotaped her putting on the mask you just come out of a store after she bought it and she didn't not to become famous she did it cuz she has kids she's a stay-at-home mom and she did it because she had kids and she wanted to prove in video form that the mask was hers and it was for her and not for her kids so when her kids tried to steal it front for themselves she could go oh no you know this is mine so she just did it on a whim she was super excited when i hit a thousand viewers and then she went to bed and she woke up and it was a million viewers now it's 140 million viewers it's actually a la most popular facebook live video and i mean aside from this one right numbers numbers are not in yeah i know i should wait and see how the crave cast I should have brought the mask I didn't even think of that like I should have brought it for this but Jeff doesn't mean what you were do it oh no I can't do it on the spine ah that's better than mine everybody can do it anyway so you could check out that video and cnet I wrote about last night because I was I couldn't sleep and I saw it I thought it was cute so they real quick that show you're talking about with the he-man looking guys yeah son of Zorn upset and I have it right that's it thinking about what I can't get him where I'm from longueuil all mom says you got a job and I think it looks kind of funny nice I would never watch it but it looks interesting exactly like a woman he carries a purse you say what happened it is supposed to be more like Space Ghost I think you're right job that's bound to happen one what was that adult swim show that was very psychedelic with a similar looking character it was just one extreme really really not narrowing it down oh you mean metal aqaba no no it had like a really funny name that I was just like on going to psychedelic I bet you faced someone in the charm I'm sure if someone in the chat room is saying it it's not brac his brac was a spinoff from I was like ah forget it was had like really weird name too anyway seminole come on name everybody and robot robot chicken get renewed so if we're talking about adult swim that's another thing wow I feel like adult swim can't ever cancel robot chicken because like their flagship that's their flagship show it's like there's CSI Oh which reminds me uh CSI cyber got canceled so those people that were watching it and like myself who were hate watching it and turning it into a drinking game and I normally like the CSI shows but the CSI cyber was so hilarious it's like whenever law and order SVU does something on internet uh harassment and you're like that's not really how that works but whatever yeah but anyway I hate to break it to you but CSI cyber is gone ah I know I maybe they'll do CS ivr you don't know I'm hoping they will like it's just I like those cop procedural shows when they're so off base when it comes to tech that you can't help but watch it like happy hour show like I want to say like the early early nine years yeah well there's a mere five or something there's a murder she wrote episode with we always bring this up because it's always always bring this up because Jessica Fletcher Angela Lansbury and her you know oculus rift thing that wasn't really oculus yet cuz it was the 80s so I don't even know what they called that VR at that point everything's vector so it's like Tron that's more yeah there we go it's really she's the nintendo nintendo power gloves on like it's just you know and then when they demand more gifts from that yeah it's it's you know it's actually on netflix right now so if you have netflix look at Murder She Wrote I don't remember the name of the episode but is hilarious and she has to find out her murder miss like the murder clues in the vector Tron spy so I think I think based on my extensive research i typed it into google a virtual murder that's it that's it that's it so I i highly recommend anyone who wants to go back into the VR nostalgia file that's season 10 episode 5 thank you well cuz if you're gonna be looking through Murder She Wrote that's a lot of season that's like twelve twelve seasons yeah there's more than magnum p.i I know that much and there was no Magnum prv our episode sad that's like a good name for a video game virtual murder I know anyway I'd watch magnum VR that becoming I know I think I get to be the mustache Magnum be the mustache so zen of you what else we're supposed to talk about Eric we're like rocketing backwards through pop culture I am sorry I'm waiting for the disco VR so three more movies that I had on my list for the summer the lame summer of 2016 is the one that's been talked about way too much and it seems like it should about nine months ago which is Billy the Ghostbusters reboot but I feel like we've been talking about forever how are they doing one of those yeah haha well I mean people that hate the new one that's coming out just so you know they just announced that they're gonna re-release the original Ghostbusters and theaters yeah for like a weekend or weekend so everyone who hates this can at least pretend I mean they're early reviews have not look so hot right I don't know well it's just the trail at really they just made too long of a trailer honestly the news isn't even about the movie anymore the news is about the people reviewing the movie yeah okay I do a search and you'll see there's all these like articles that either people really really hate it they're gonna boycott it and then there's people that are really excited for it and they're gonna go see it twice to make up for the boycotters so I know yeah that's so stupid people really i'm a boycott the movie is there like the dumbest people yeah they do know boycotting really means nothing yeah oh I will tell you the new ecto hi-c came out alright and I drank it and it a delicious you didn't bring any oh yeah when I only own one can what the hell are points are a visit green there you go slime yeah uh so yeah the ghostbusters I mean I guess it's like the opposite of what's going on with Star Trek beyond I mean feel like that one's been way overhyped we've heard nothing about Star Trek and another one that I don't think we've heard very much about that I'm excited maybe this isn't quite our little demographic slice of Americana here but the bfg anyone roll every time I see that I just keep thinking of one of the big guns from doom and then I no no no look I stork insurance library so yes Eric I know what you're talking that what does she do John I have no idea what a big friendly giant it's a roald dahl book same guy who did Charlie in a chocolate factory he's a very dark more betrayal okay yeah and doll was had a very interesting life so you should look up his biography or at least read Wikipedia because he was watch the episode of drunk history were they cuz he was a spy wasn't he oh yeah yeah he was like it better than bond you don't get a whole lot from from this trailer but you know if you're into the kind of like creepy children genre which is what he was all about this should be a good one James and the Giant Peach is a melon it's animated is some of it like stop motion or anything like that just to actually to CGI yeah the Giants I think CGI go bad also what do you mean I thought they didn't build a giant I wait a second wait a second this is this looks exactly like never ending story what's happening here no it does not know god I wish they'd week make that never yeah kajagoogoo needs a worker kid looking at identical with glasses harry potter what in the dark harry potter s don't swing a pink dress is completely different what don't get me started don't be gender bias dudes can wear dresses to bed if they want I didn't say that that wasn't a dude i said it's completely different cuz that's where i think dressen sebastian wasn't basket so this away OE and also sleeping beauty trailer right i have that one to play okay so we good we did an article Oh site squad I don't even know what did I care more about the back stories of how Jared Leto is creeping everyone out and the more than I care about everything the fact that he's always in character in movies you don't want a guy who can't get out of the in character Joker I mean I guess he pleasured was always in character too but yeah method acting and comic book villains don't seem like they would I don't think method acting is acting anymore I think you just have become a person thanks social media so Luke did Luke Lancaster and Australia did a piece on how they tried to make Suicide Squad look really fun and funny and guardians of the galaxy esque but we suspect that that's not really the movie is actually made and that they're just kind of cutting the trailers to look like that and I feel like it's a cross between like suicide girl video and seven it's gonna be so violent and there was i mean i don't know maybe they're trying to dead pull it up well rumor has it that because dead people was so successful they're trying to kind of recut this to make it funnier and lighter but who knows one suggestion from the YouTube chat room Maurice Thompson says he's looking forward to dr. strange anyway oh yeah duh I mean I tried to go through a Comber cleanse but I'm right back drinking the cumberbatch kool-aid sorry I can't help it like the only thing I don't like is I wish they kept his british accent because i don't think it really matters at this point if it's british or not I mean they you know hey if Marvel changed a villain in iron man 3 from female to male then let Cumberbatch have a British accent if we're not going to be accurate with the comics and who cares he should have kept his british accent and they changed the ancient one to tell this one yeah i mean well yeah that's a bit of hollywood whitewashing though to be honest Tilda Swinton could play anything I mean you could she could play a cardboard box and get a Academy Award for it so I'm excited for dr. strange because it's such a great story and great comic we should develop that pitch what Tilda Swinton is behind sweat and cars work hahahaha the tag went what did the ball super box yeah all right she looks like a strange not all November so we got a while for them yeah it's it's a while I mean I'm still I still I still watch Buster's go it's kind of I mean I you know I like watching scruffy batch there's nothing wrong with that but it's interesting because if you know a lot about Cumberbatch soul patch patch if you like so much batch there's so many batches if you like dr. bad should be like twittg batch like in German injured batch you think scrappy that would be an excellent co-star first winter bucks dude weird like young long beard hair batch right there yeah i mean that's bad that's bad weed beard that's fo beard and then I think it's funny I think Cumberbatch's so good at playing injured because he's been injured so much in Sherlock but you know that some of the photos that we saw that were happening in New York when they were filming it were pretty amusing and he went into a comic book shop and actually as Doctor Strange dressed up the bada dr. strange comment till the sugar tried writing a check that would have been oh I know right doctors handwriting is the worst too and it's very inception like the trailer I mean if you look at the comments of our articles that we've I did a I did an actual breakdown of this trailer scene by scene by scene on cnet as a gallery because I'm obsessed obviously that's cool but it is it looks great thanks for bringing it up I totally forgot about it cuz im so it's for angry right now so some people in the chat room keep asking what the what the google doc is that that i referenced in the the preview pose for the show people demand google docs people to back google doc news ah can't wait for that movie well you never know so no but that let us do with the the crowd-sourced sci-fi novel that we've been publishing for the past couple of weeks here on Sina we've talked about on the show since I mean this is be going on so I feel like it's been going on since last year in November is when we threw a Google Doc online with an outline of a sci-fi novel and we asked everyone to help us crowdsource it and then a few months later we did actually have a semblance of a novel and then um Kelsey and I and a few other people have spent the last few months editing and endlessly editing the thing I came to a story not edit any of this that was you and your wife I've read it rereading okay comes baby proofing providing feedback um keeping my big question on this is when it gets optioned how are you do writer credit is the screenplay going to be then crowd-sourced as well I feel look so the way we did this you want to get the gritty of it is we put the google doc online and it's still actually there and anyone can still go edit it and play around with it that's actually cnet com / crowd sci-fi that takes you right to the google doc we're talking about and that google doc is over a hundred pages that is all creative commons meaning anyone could build upon it take it and you know change something else make crowdsource fanfiction I don't care do whatever you want like it but it's amazing to me about this is it was not just completely filled with porn and you know trolling and how did you how did you avoid that there was I mean there was a couple of instances but you know sorry about that by the way I don't like it is now I'm amber batch surprising to me too actually is that yeah I mean there may be one case of vandalism and then there were a few scenes of like maybe so erotica although they actually miss me they weren't actually that bad they didn't make they didn't make the final call at my tentacle paragraph later um but you know i don't know i mean i'd like to compare it um you know to like a jigsaw puzzle where we just kind of put this jigsaw puzzle out on a card table at a party and then people kind of like would stop and do a couple of pieces or maybe do an entire like section of the puzzle and over a couple of months an actual narrative did emerge and kelsey you know it's been kind of interesting when you asked hundreds of people to write a book you end up with obviously different writing voices and different writing styles so we did have to get a little creative to figure out a way to kind of preserve the crowd source nature of it I didn't just go in and like edit everything so that it sounds like I wrote it because then what would be the point of having crowd-sourced it so it's worth checking out it's uh cnet com / crowd dash control and that's that's where it lives and there's ten what yeah we're on ten right yeah we have tan installments up now and the next one is going to come out tomorrow I'm also working on kind of a few lessons learned posts a little behind the scenes stuff and if you go into those installments that Stephens showing you right now i also posted some screenshots of like earlier versions from the google doc so you can kind of see how people discussed the shaping of the story along the way and how things were edited and it was it was really like interesting interesting process I don't think it I don't know that we produced a Pulitzer Prize winner but I mean it's a co-created work with literally hundreds of contributors behind it so it's was an interesting experience to know I think I'm gonna be figuring out what we learned from it for all years in advance it's gonna take a long time to digest it's kind of like a an exquisite corpse kind of concept where except with this exquisite corpse I can like that uh you don't get to see what someone wrote before you whereas this I'm assuming everyone got to see everything so it wasn't quite a surprise or a mystery when people were writing stuff but I love this concept I think it's really cool and I've read a few of installments I was super impressed the hell how well it read like I i agree with you like when you have that many people writing you never know if it's going to sound kind of weird and like schizophrenic it away or if it actually makes sense and it's it's been really entertaining to read it so thank you for even thinking up this concept it's been really fun it's a it's kind of actually I mean it's almost like an exquisite corpse in Reverse and what I mean by that is because you know people would would hear about it then they go into the google doc and they kind of start you know you start on page one and they start reading through it and it started like copy editing and adding some words or some passages here and definitely just because it grew to over a hundred pages you know not everyone makes it to the end of those hundred pages so what we ended up with was you know the first like half of the book has been read and edited and rewritten probably ten times as much as the last chapter wow I thought chapters very short and probably still need some work so is there been any like talk in the comments of people casting it because I know when I read a book of fiction I always have to kind of visualize who I would cast in those characters so I can visualize it better so has there been any talk of people going oh I think this character would be great played by this or my thinking to Hollywood about it I well I have we've talked about this if we talked with this kelsey do you have any thoughts on any of the main characters i have a few literally asked me who had cast as meta and i said tom hiddleston cuz he's got like the long black hair the chiseled cheekbones this nearing superiority but she pointed out that that's um probably the wrong race and also much too old and I was like it's Hollywood ha ha ha that's the extent of our conversation I was thinking Adam driver for that role ok so um Cumberbatch have a spot in this movie thing come on cover bachelor I could see Harrison Ford in one of the rules if that helps which one uh probably Charles are there any lady oh sure ok are there any ladies you would cast me women um yeah and I'm trying and I can't I can't think of the names of some of the actors that I would yeah I mean you don't have to I just do this when I read books I do two things and I read books i generally cast them and then of a book is boring i had a werewolf whether or not i should really just like her alive yeah this place the werewolf um they're like a david not in werewolf is he was ok that's playing Aquaman Oh Jason Momoa yeah he always with pro werewolf for me I need to say that more neutrally what does that movie come out that's in production isn't it it must be it has to be yeah they announced him a long time ago like I feel like a year more than a year yeah yeah its volume production I'm gonna chartoff when all these movies come out somewhere but I don't feel like looking at well here's the other thing is that i would think we did I don't know if I'm pretty sure we did seen an article on this about the shake-up at DC that was happening to after Batman vs was at Oh Superman Batman Batman V Superman ah didn't do so well and so there was a huge gentleman I'd like one bazillion dollar yeah well I know it was no Deadpool so Marvel and DC are always gonna be battling it out in the movies and that's that's a thing it's like you can love both just like you can live Star Wars and Star Trek yeah but uh it'll be interesting to see if that shake-up actually does anything to the Wonder Woman movie that has yet to give us the Wonder Woman movie we have a trailer but i love how Kelsey ziying Jeff I'm waiting for it something to happen were you waiting for Jeff to say something I'm like me time oh I think everybody's just waiting for me to just like snap start bitching number two Superman again oh yeah you're right that's what I wanted yeah yeah the superman/batman I I didn't get to aight i don't remember seeing it I must have seen it because I wanted to see wonder woman that was the only reason so I don't know that's the problem when you have superhero fatigue cuz there's too many movies with superheroes in them and then you have to kind of like parse it out and go watch an episode of Columbo as a palate cleanser no I started watching food watching a new shows but I can watch Colombo and drag net in the adam-12 I and they're all on a lot of them are on netflix i mean Colombo's on netflix and then Gary Whitta Hugh is a screenwriter he's in he's based in San Francisco and he worked on some Star Wars properties as well he's trying to get this whole hashtag campaign to get mark ruffalo to play Columbo and a remake which I told really could see that so I'm just putting that out there in person and so if any of you want to take up that hashtag campaign go for it cuz I think because that's how things happen in Hollywood right you just whine a lot recent petitions final edition Hollywood my living room and how it works sign a petition for the the name of the actress I could remember is a Lupita Nyong'o sorry yeah I didn't want to get that one wrong yeah okay fine uh that's that's who i will add toys on one of the leading roles in the in that crowd source to book can we talk about florence kasane by for a moment sure okay I'm done I know nobody wants to talk about it so who would direct the crowd source novel would be David Lynch would it be Tarantino is there a dialogue is that more action so there's it's it's kind of a talky 1j might Robert Altman in there just to really crazy yeah I know what if you want you can also take Werner Herzog's film class that I talked about on cnet and Werner could do something with it though i don't i don't know if he would which has he ever done any action movies other than the documentary like grizzly man's not really an action movies a good action type I feel like he's the documentary got like the David Lynch of documentaries which I'm sure everyone in the comments is about ready to kill me for saying I don't know like I always want to see different directors do things with sci-fi and we always generally get the same kind of directors or we get action director like the kenneth branagh did that Thor movie and it was so good oh my kind of things are pollination oops but no I'm good okay good I can't wear towels they would be willing we'd be willing to have meetings with any of the above yeah call us here here's here's Eric smack twitter twitter yeah David Lynch come on David you may yet work with Eric hit me up do edge yeah a deal it haha I think I think we're way over to alright we gotta go and wash some old silent Charlie Chaplin movies you know the one where you does VR so all right that's it as always please check out everything we talked about today vast majority of it is on cnet com forward slash crave and also check out crowd control and everything else that we've been gabbing about the creative cast will talk to you again in june have a happy summer and for Bonnie Burton the kelsey Adams for Steven Beecham and Jeff Sparkman i'm eric mack and we'll talk to me you