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welcome back to the CNET stage at CES 2017 i'm brian tonya with me is the handsome David Katz Marv have you been introduced like that before always see okay my assistants part of my contract yeah they wrote that in the actual prompter he is reviews TVs and among other things has obviously been super busy this entire week and what we're here for we're talking TV shows and really we want to talk about what you love you and I exchange basically sat in a booth for two hours and talked about exactly this so they're like hey why don't we just put these two guys and talking about the same exact thing yeah the Sony booth it's just crawling with new TV technology we were there you know shooting videos making making it happen on the opening day but yeah it was fun now the day one the keynote I felt like LG basically threw down the hammer and was like you know what CES 2017 first keynote boom this is the most sensational product you might see here at the show talk to us about it and what makes at least that special and why maybe we should care so this is the wallpaper television we're talking about so w7 it's their first TV that is what's three point five no three point eight millimeters thin so like about that thin and that you put that up on the wall and it basically blends completely in a while you can see the video here the coolest part about this like I've been reviewing TVs for a while and I'm always like oh nothing on TV Oh what are we gonna do it's like okay fine it's a TV but there you put them on the wall there like that you know they're there they're sticking out a little bit this once it's completely part of the wall it kind of blew my mind now I had seen this thing on a trip to Korea a couple years ago in concept form guy hands me this sheet basically like a thing a cellophane black thing like flopping around and he's like we're gonna make this into a television and I'm holding it like what are you gonna do it was like this ribbon dangling from the bottom of it how do you plug anything into it so what they did is they just basically created the sound bar you know that got all the the HDMI and everything connected to it there's a little ribbon cable that runs up you can see right there runs up through the wall and that supplies the power and the HDMI so they solve that problem of course you have to use the sound bar you know it's an $8,000 television actually they just the pricing just kind of leaked on Best Buy so LG wouldn't tell us until now we went you know total Google search found out that thing is actually built for pre-order now for the 65 inch size 8 grand oh it's eight grand see I we were we were trying to guess is it gonna be like maybe 10 grand somewhere around there so eight grand is what I'm going to start it all so now it's it's eight thousand that means there are other Oh LEDs which by the way have the best picture coral have you ever tested and why appear yeah amazing television those guys they have four of them this year step-down series those are going to be progressively less expensive my hope is at the cheapest one which LG says has the exact same picture quality's all the more expensive ones meaning you know that's the one you want to buy I'm hoping that things like maybe 2500 for 65 inch come holiday season maybe two grand if we get really lucky so that's kind of the most exciting thing that I've seen at the show and also for those of you that don't even know what we're talking about all I can tell you is I we implore you to go to LG's booth up when you're here at the show and look for this you can just ask well you won't even have to ask you'll see they're everywhere you'll see it and it's their wallpaper TV and really it's I haven't seen anything like you said that's kind of blown our mind from the TV space until then after all these years and you've seen so many TV well the thing about CES it's all concept stuff there's a lot of mind-blowing stuff here but you're never gonna be able to buy it and and again it's for fail to preorder de Beauvoir so you know it's OLED and they can do some really amazing things with organic light-emitting diodes obviously they give you perfect black level viewing angle is great it's a lot like plasma used to be even better and super super super thin and it's the first time you've seen that really thin application differentiate itself from what you can do with LCD and I don't I do want to keep on talking about this for one second because when you and I have been talking about this you told me that they literally had to make the TV thicker than they needed to really to create some sort of a frame so they can allow sound ship yeah yeah hold right yeah yeah so I'm sure when I open the box of the review sample it's going to be you know the styrofoam is gonna be like you know the little thing maybe like gingerly pull it out of there but yeah they had to stiffen it and basically just you know put some plastic on that floppy you know OLED element that I described before to make it you know something that you can sell and it does the bottom of the of the frame that comes with it is a magnet the top is basically screws so it's a standard you know well mount 18 pounds you could put it on it you don't feel worried about studs or anything like you put it on drywall don't forget about it so even you could lift it up on the yeah I mean well I need a friend there they probably tell you to use two or three people just for a you know to cover their there asked with the lawyers but yeah it's it's it's a pretty amazing totally awesome what other stuff stuck out you I mean you are our TV gurus yeah so we were in the Sony booth you and I and we saw the press conference and it had been rumored but now yes Sony is also making an OLED television so they're using LG displays panel you know LG Display Korea they're the only ones that can make these large format OLED things and not you know throw away 90% of them but they're finally selling now to Sony and and Sony is marching that TV United States so you're going to have competition for the first time between LG and Sony with this new technology OLED and you know from what I've seen it's a really good-looking television we did some some demos it's impossible to say which one's better or even more importantly whether the Sony one if it is better will not be too expensive to be worthwhile for most people Sony hasn't talked about pricing yet but that's going to be available in the 5565 77 inch size again and Sony did something really cool yeah so I don't know do you see that that like the sad thing a little if we have the video plane up in there's probably moments where you can see it but on the rear side you'll see this this bar I think we're starting to get to it but it stretches from one side of the back it's a black bar and those are actually like transducers that vibrate the screen right you want to talk about the acoustics or some bizarre yeah so so and again I saw this earlier at the LGD the LG Display booth which is private booth over here and they they walk me over that does the coolest thing we have and they can to be this little like thing that looked like a watch battery almost bigger and they're like this vibrates the screen of the OLED TV to create sound and like okay uh you know does it make the picture while Bowl that was my first question like no no it's a did a little demo and you can even see the stuff is bouncing around on the on this you feel the screen and it's got you know actual vibrations the point is supposed to be that it you know it removes the issue of voices coming from a speaker above below if you have a center channel from the either side it localizes like somebody's talking on the screen the sound comes right out their mouth oh the middle of the screen yeah I mean I did a demo whatever that's not a huge deal but the best thing about is I guess that it hides the speakers but again if you're paying this kind of money yeah we always say invest in a decent speaker system because you know the speaker's building TV are one thing but you're going to get so much better experience if you spend a few hundred dollars and get a surround sound or even a good sound bar with something like this so it's it's a differentiator for Sony and it's a cool design you can see it's got this kind of angled back that that cloth looking thing is actually subwoofer so they try to do something with a sound on it and they have you know a nice design but we'll see what happens when it compares to LG and more importantly how much Sony want to charge yeah that's the question that we all have I mean are any of you guys and gals out there right now are you even in the market for a TV or you come here to kind of Google and Google at that stuff in the market excellent yeah so I'm so he's we'd all my prices to fall right that's basically yeah everybody everybody I mean that's and that's really what's happening yeah it's it's already starting to happen uh even LG's current o o LEDs this holiday season right all of a sudden there's like this 40% discount drop that came out of nowhere yet they were four grand and all of a sudden they're three and then they ran it like a thing where they're twenty hundred they're just talk about a 65 inch again so six five hundred TV 65 inch TV for twenty eight hundred bucks is you know it's it's in some people's wheelhouse you could make that argument you know the other people that have a stake in your home so you know and I think next year you mean translation significant other yes like we can lose those are discussions that need to be at a certain point you know and and that's where it's realistic because you know you turn to Samsung and that's LG's principal competitor by the way if anybody doesn't know Samsung is still by far the number one TV manufacturer in the world and they sell you know exclusively LCD based televisions which is not OLED they didn't you know they came over a few years ago but they're they're concentrating on LCD they're innovation this year is Q LED which you know by the way is still an LCD well that's what I was going to ask right they're using and we have it here for you guys to watch on screen they're touting this Q LED technology but you are saying it's actually LCD technology with with kind of we know with their own twist in there a name to it right yeah yeah so last year was so HUD or su HD or that one yeah see you actually that's too much insight yeah super was it super ultra high definition I got thrown out with the bath water um but now they have cue LED which stands for quantum something led so it light-emitting diode the point is there they have a quantum dot layer that they just had the same one they had last year they've improved the quantum dot layer so now they have a better blight output because fun about to help improve the efficiency of the backlight and they also improve the color so they have a wider color gamut probably a very very good looking television samsung says it's their best LCD television whether it's better than OLED is a really tough you know row to hoe especially because at the high end they got rid of full array local dimming on their sets and now they're all edgelits so long story short samsung has it has some tough competition and that's the high end of the TV market where oullette has been really really getting share Samsung's advantage and LCDs advantage is that the large very large screen sizes you know are only available in LCD so if you want something bigger than a 60 75 85 you want to go to those right yeah and and you have those dudes you know I want to be one of those dudes one of those dudes yeah you could be because the thing is they're so there's so much inexpensive now I mean that the prices on 70-inch TVs the 75 inch TVs are just going down 85 inch TVs are available now and they're not gonna I mean they're they're still super expensive but my point is OLED is only 65 so it you gotta some people are all you ask me like you know is it better to go to 70 inch you know blah blah blah or or a 65 inch OLED doesn't how close you're sitting you're you know how you know how big your room is that sort of thing but you know so that's where LCD at the high end is really still going to be the choice do you do you know when will even see larger than 65 OLED or they're they're a little apprehensive about that well right consistency yeah that so the issue now is they do make 77 show lights but the problem is that they don't have the yield they don't have that we talked about for thrown away 90% of the panel's did still issue to get the yield up so they're extremely explicit that LG's 7000 latest 20 grand right now yeah buy one you can buy one too right I can't - I like it by 10 for sure right um so those that that price they's tell me is probably not going to come down this year they're going to continue selling even Sony has a 77 inch you know model in line but that's not gonna help anybody you know so it's a question of when they can get that 70 70 size they're saying that you know it still work-in-progress to be able to compete with the very large screen LCDs and then you know we talk about size everyone what's the biggest and baddest screen but we saw really one of the coolest things that can help you accomplish that with really without a traditional screen right this is a Sony's 4k HDR throw short throw projector yeah this it's not necessarily affordable everyone you can buy it but this was pretty mind-boggling when we went to go see that demo yeah so I mean and that's kind of a you talk with you very large 85 inch TVs sorry this is BCS day to ya gonna make some make it 3-2 what I sleeping with a bag over his head on a chair that was you so this is a hundred inch projector screen basically and it's basically a TV because it's 2,500 nits that's very bright you most projectors you think you got have a darkroom you got up you can't walk in front of the lens it's it's a whole dedicated home theater thing and those look spectacular when you turn the lights down but you want a television you can watch anybody could watch anytime so yeah I just want to really quickly show here people that are watching yeah this is think of this as like a box that sits against your wall you could put it in a built-in cabinet and it shoots that image onto your wall you know it's not it's nothing traditional so when you look at these images like well where's this coming from it's that rectangular box that you see right there yeah and and the thing I mean it's 25 grand one reason it's really really bright another reason it's 4k resolution its HDR compatible not going to have the kind of HDR forms of an OLED but it's 100 inches and 120 inches depending on how large your screen you want to put on it interestingly a high sense the Chinese manufacturer that's been making inroads on the budget end in the United States they announced another product it's very similar 4k HDR really high light output includes the screen and a 5.1 surround system because why not that's 13 grand so this type of technology is a pretty cool alternative if you're that guy that's like you know what 85 just not big enough I want to go and you know yeah gotta go large herb yeah might as well but that Sony's a pretty pretty beautiful looking piece and then also like at CES we like a lot of companies like to show off the biggest the baddest the best and I don't know about you at least from the most visually impressive screen that we saw was the Kalidas demo from Swedish come all ladies demo Cletus and finally my everything is stands for crystal LED integrated system um I got a Chancellor how did you Thanks did you yeah dude that's pretty good thanks let me say that I had times you guys know that crystal lol will see it I know something that a cat's mayor doesn't know what type of world are we living in good you know Cletus yeah so um this this display here you can find it in Sony's booth it's basically a wall but what makes it special is its 144 little modules they're about 16 by 18 inches there crystal LED modules they're all stacked together they kind of call it like the Legos of TV sets but when you look at this you can tell even from this video there are no seams on it whatsoever obviously this is something that you could use for you know industrial use I'm sure we'll see this at future CES is yeah other booths sporting events but that's a 32 by 9 foot screen 8k by 2k just ridiculous and it's bright yeah I mean a lot of these things it's like they have these big bulbs the resolution is not there this thing looks like a TV that's 32 feet long it's so it's one of those things that you definitely want to go and check out and see you the good thing is also it's not a prototype I mean it's going to be available in production in summer they said yeah and it's just up to these companies that want to use it you can build different types of shapes if you want to support it with different types of videos it's really cool up here it's very nice so as we kind of keep on talking about television sets I guess you know we we talked about the the hot stuff and what stuff everyone should look at and not everyone's like well I'm gonna buy that wallpaper TV like most of us are right but what about someone who's in the market because you and I were like I have a plasma TV I have a panasonic plasma TV Oh boom based on your recommendation which I still love right right but you and I are kind of that spot like what will be the next TV yeah so where are you at with all that well I mean personally uh you know I'm still rocking Panasonic Plasma to 65-inch I don't know how long you know I'm gonna continue doing that but you know it's it's a tough nap because if you want a really good you know the highest quality television oullette I think is the way to go and but you know if you know you don't want to pay twenty hundred dollars because 5ms TV there's some really good TVs out there available sometimes for half that or for you know two grand or whatever and they're superb televisions so you know LED LCD is out there we gave some really good reviews of vizio last year for those affordable televisions this year we talked about Hisense and TCL both those guys are really trying to eat Vizio is lunch this year and they're putting out televisions with full array local dimming which is a technology that allows you know really good picture quality LCD TVs these are lesser-known brands but they really want to get shares so they're really relatively inexpensive for these televisions TCL's coming out with the full array local dimming Roku TV which is awesome by the way the Roku operating systems great yes 500 bucks for a 50 inch model Wow it has you know really good and it also has Dolby vision HDR by the way so you know it's got all these things that the high-end TV manufacturers putting their TVs for a lot less and that's kind of why we've looked Vizio recently visited announce anything to show by the way they were recently acquired by Leko which is another Chinese brand so some stuff shuffling around they're going to see what they come up with for 2017 but those those TVs are really recommendable but it's hard for me to say you know what don't just wait you know if your TVs is good enough now yeah waiting for OLED prices to fall maybe you know holiday season 2017 might be the way to go okay well you know what I'll also just write the discount what about you know one quick thing what about don't TV prices do they tend to drop around Super Bowl time is that is that a thing alright it depending often you'll find the lowest prices around Black Friday but you know when when TV maker win that the retailers want to get rid of their inventory to make room for the new stuff that we've all seen you know that's why CES is when it is they go ahead and and liquidate them you know so the Super Bowl sales are kind of becoming around soon and you know you see some really good prices I know the problem is if you've waited this long often the TV that you want might be rare enough they don't have put it on sale or whatever so you could get really lucky get some good 2016 stuff that's why it's nice go to CNN check out our reports of what's out now then you can decide well do I want to wait for this newfangled new technology or is the you know last year's model good enough I heard seen that's a pretty good site to go check I mean I I you know what I kind of go there I know I do too all right hey thanks so much David we've got more good stuff to come next up Lego is is in the house stay with us