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August ninth from the cnet studios in New York City with Roger Cheng and Ben Fox Rubin it is the 359 podcast episode 92 how the hell have we made it this far you got me yeah mystery all right well super excited welcome yours happy tuesday it is Tuesday yeah it's like it's much longer than that for some reason uh we're we're gonna be talking about all apple today lots of rumors iphone 7 Apple watch to MacBook Pro you know we've got an event coming up it's really just a month away pretty much yeah yeah getting closer to the holiday season so they might have started Andrew burning their new stuff the rumors are heating up so we'll be we'll be talking about those three items as always if you have any questions leave them in the comments section or producer Brian will pick out the best and we will try our best to answer them right an icy net is not against the answering Samsung question us yes if you have samsung questions we're really not we're not gonna just keep ya and after this equal opportunity questions Tim Cook you can send me a check payable blah blah blah you just confirmed the rumors of course yeah of course well done well done alright but let's get the podcast started okay audio is rolling send us your questions will be back in exactly three minutes and 59 seconds starting three two welcome to the 359 we would talk about the top detectors of the day and all the other crap we want to throw in I'm Roger Cheng I'm then Fox ribbon well it's unavoidable we're about a month away from Apple unveiling a new iphone and the rumors are heating up Bloomberg essentially reconfirmed chatter that the iphone love a pressure-sensitive button dual camera set up and lose the audio jack importantly there are no significant design changes is this this big misstep for apple or we think it's kind of um i almost feel like they should just call it the iphone 6s s or something like a super plus ultra 6s II whatever I'm I was it there's already an SE that is known over the six se well needless to say I don't know how they're actually going to get up on stage and present this as this is this is different or it's really significant or special right whatever but also more colors a parent I look at that blue and space black just like the Apple watch ooh Apple fanboys are going to get really excited about some of these small tweaks but they really are just small tweaks i I don't I don't really see that there's all that much there too I've been jump out and get a new one I've been covering the phone business for a while so I still remember the the motorola razr which was a huge hit the original one the flip phone yeah mega hit you could tell when the company started running an idea is when they started offering the razor in multiple colors like that was their big innovation was you can get in pink and get it in and blue and also it kinda reminds me of this i mean you know we've got we have rose gold already we've got but now we've got rumored bellies maybe two more colors blue and black and I mean look we may have reached peak iphone with the iphone 6 which was like serious blockbuster phone right um it sounds like next year's model is gonna be really significant yeah and I hope it is you know it is like the phone business really could use some shaking up so was like I mean just sort of drilling down on some of those features to do you think the addition of a dual lens camera would will actually you know get people interested no no no all right decking moving on to the Apple watch so they're going to be two new Apple watches and one of them is going to be called the Apple watch two very creatively named yeah the big difference is going to be that it's going to have better gps and a better battery for anybody that's really excited about smartwatches you might want to wait until next year again yeah because they're expected to add LTE functionality which means you aren't going to have to pair it to write with your I've idea is that it can work independently it has its own dedicated connection and it makes sense like LTE modules right now are probably a little bit on the bulky side they're probably waiting for it to get a little bit smaller so it could fit into an Apple watch physically there are other LTE watches out of the market Samsung makes a couple the LG does as well those watches are pretty bulky and that's that's probably part of the reason and also better life is concerned right look but I I think it goes back to the same issue with the iphone is is are they going to have enough features to really get you off your butt off the couch and buy a new phone or buy a new watch and I would argue probably now let's interesting question about buying you watch because folks who spent you know whatever 500 plus ten thousand dollars on an Apple watch the first time around are they gonna pony up for a second one no no it hasn't but I'm just gonna be sitting around feeling bad because they don't happen you this and cuz what Apple is good at making you feel bad so last we also wanted to touch on the laptop yep so there's going to be a major upgrade for the macbook pro expected sometime soon sometime this year actually and this actually sounds kind of cool they're planning on adding an oled touch bar above the keyboard which I guess would maybe change around a bit yeah I think on what the function I dia is it yeah the keys would be context-sensitive right you can't leave a Spotify app it'll have like the play/pause fast-forward menu and so yeah that's cool in a couple years since they refresh the macbook pro so I'm glad they're actually gonna do it yeah y know more about these stories check us out on cnet I'm Roger Cheng I'm Ben Fox Rubin thanks for listening and now we'll take some questions from the audience and we have some good ones all right yeah an apple day or Samsung yeah no no Samsung yet but dan the man wants to know are you think the iphone 7 55 Pro will have a 2k display 5 wait the 55 pro what I don't know the 5.5 inch pro yes the rumored problem uh I woodside highly doubt it to ks play I don't think that's in the cards yeah I really doubt that yeah I would say that the screen is marginally improved over last year's but ya still standard HD but nothing special yeah when do you think that might be on their their wish list like that that seems like they're kind of behind the curve on there are so many things on the wish list there are a lot of people that are actually hoping that you could actually open up the back to just add a story that will never happen that will never happen but it would be a great thing for customers and they wouldn't have to cough up a lot of extra money just for a little bit more so Ardis Apple do you think for do things for its customers no I don't know probably never all right the demon that has an interesting proposal he says make it a bundle hmm baleen pay a lump sum and get a laptop watch and phone all in one batch that's kind of an interesting thought um you know what this I would number one know a lot of money well yeah expensive bundle but I mean you'd probably you're probably going to see it with next year's Apple watch I'm willing to bet you go to verizon AT&T store buy an iPhone get an Apple watch 24 whatever two hundred dollars off or something like you'll you'll definitely get that because if it's an LTE connected watch that means there's an account linked to it which means 18t and fries charge you extra for that look at you mr phone guy breaking it down I would probably argue though that maybe maybe Apple wouldn't want to bundle directly just because and let the retailer do it yeah because they don't want to sully their brand with any sort of like reductions in prices Pro concepts are bundling they always try to present themselves as a luxury brand I mean when was the last time you went into like I don't know what's a luxury store I never go to them but like they don't the if they are going to do a sale they're gonna do the if ya prod is gonna do a seller gonna do they're gonna do it like very you know yeah why Utley or whatever so I just thought that was an interesting concept that's never really I've never seen that before yeah you know they have education discount to have I think back to school discount yeah yeah yeah but they're not bundles I think they're real I mean it might be a bundle with like accessories but I haven't seen something like an iphone plus a macbook pro that's not some pretty big commitment not being from experience being that have been out of school for far too long but I bet that if you went back to high school now they they do get deals on like batches of imax and batches of did they just yeah yeah yeah for sure mark wants them to focus more on the lens they think that they're spending too much time he thinks that they're spending too much time marketing the colors and the flash yeah rather than the the actual decent new feature of the phone which is that dual lens yes so that the whole point is lens I me if the rumors are to be believed the two different lenses take capture two different sets of colors mm-hmm and software will be used sort of blend the photo together the idea is you better you'd be able to better shoot photos in low-light settings which is always a problem with phones things have gotten a little better I feel like some of the newest Samsung and LG phones actually have some decent it's also it's argued to that um you would get slightly improved pictures when you zoom in yeah well yeah one can be the zoom lens LG actually the LG g5 has this camera it's two lenses one is the zoom lens and one is the regular lens and even when you actually come zoom in it switches from one to the other yeah i mean my frustration is is that i have the iphone 6 and i would never buy the plus it just doesn't fit in my pocket so i don't really like is that I pants with bigger pockets yeah just by cargo shorts or something yeah way we can't do that anymore right exactly so but to me it's like ok they're they're trying to upsell you on the phone that's a hundred dollars more expensive but what if I just don't want a phone that size that's just a little annoying because like maybe a guy like me would want the dual camera I take a lot of photos with my can know they're they're definitely putting them so putting customers in difficult position really if you choosing the bigger phone if you want all the bells and whistles and so I mean I have a plus I don't find it that you know distracting oh that it's kind of jut out of my pocket I'm a little wear that when I'm walking around town yeah yeah you look like an idiot it's good thing you don't go skinny jeans well it's kind of skinny I just really fat so it doesn't really look right but expanding on the thought of the the different models George wants to know a little more detail about the models will there be to a plus and a 4.7 inch or three plus pro and 4.7 inch you know we were we were having just are having this morning we don't know for sure look Apple hasn't talked to us there was you don't have a rumor they don't ever talk to me but there was a rumor about three different versions whether the regular of the plus or pro I believe evleaks Evan blast actually squashed that rumor is that there would only be two versions and he's got a pretty good track record and frack I personally hoping there are three because like to pay up an additional two hundred dollars just for that third tier just seems like they're just they're just so can people they're just right and how different would the actual screen size be as compared to the smallest I iPad I don't think that they're there that many rumors about screen size changes especially with the supply we'd have we would have heard more about a much bigger display phone yeah earlier on I do want to mention this that so the headphone jack rumor is the one that's that's been the most persistent and yeah that we've been hearing about the most often one of the so apparently it's supposed to help make the phone a little bit thinner and it's also supposed to give room to create a second set of like create a second speaker yeah yeah problem that I have with that is is that how often are you actually using the speaker to listen to music I guess maybe if you're using speakerphone that would be a yes that a lotta man the speaker's of general being kind of a week rather like a kind of tinny yeah so like I don't like it a lot of them talk to all the jerks on the train this morning right with the headphones yeah yeah so we're just gonna make them more jerky you know i mean the bigger issue i have put that in samsung during scouts you know southern presentation last week made sure to note that nope we're keeping the headphone jack it's gonna be a big point contention a lot of people have sophisticated headphones and they've invested money and you know equipment that all right one is incompatible how many beats headphones are out in the market right now with a headphone jack right you know like Cyrus opening I'm hoping they each iphone comes with the converter yeah like Jack adopt adapter in addition to headphones with that with that with the Lightning attachment but if not they're charging you money for that that's just let's just don't worry Apple to me but that sound like Apple right that's that's pretty much what happened when they went from the 30-pin to lightning right they started selling adapters for people just to like that to keep up with it yeah so one interesting point too is that me and stephen shankland wrote a couple months ago about the Lightning jack yeah stephen shankland and I yea sorry I always mess that up so what's interesting is that apple owns that technology so any third party that creates something with the Lightning jack Apple ends up getting royalties or some sort of kick back for it so that would mean that any sort of third-party headphones Apple would then be getting some sort of cash for it because it would have to be connected to the lightning right right unless his bluetooth connected of course yeah so I mean I think that might be the focus it's not just lightning but but bluetooth wireless headphones and sort of the the real solution they've always wanted to go wireless with that right yeah I would wonder if some of the third-party manufacturers like people who make headphones would kind of fall in line with this out of obligation or sense because I'm sure they will we saw we saw Apple kind of rewrite the music industry where you had the iTunes model and suddenly singles are the more relevant thing they're an album will headphones start to manufacture lightning models absolutely you think so oh yeah I think so it's an important or there's yeah it's a billion-dollar market like those accessories and there's no other single product that sells these accessories like the iphone right like there's Samsung there's LG there's just a myriad of other like Android phones out there but there's a like one consistent right but here's the problem is is that what if you want to use the same headphones on your laptop which I do plenty you don't have a lady jackets your laptop yeah exactly thank you again Apple god I should just abandon the apple ecosystem I'd be getting more and more frustrated guys we're talking just get angry and anger I love it i'd be interested for us to get our audio guys like car noise or steve guttenberg in here to talk about if there's any actual merit to the Lightning port as far as audio fidelity goes with headphones that would be very interesting I don't know yeah top my head I can't imagine there'd be that much of a leap forward but it's an interesting thought to consider I'm sure though that'll come up during the presentation like yes yeah let's talk about design George speculates he thinks there's a conspiracy that there's going to be a fresh brand-new design of the seven after all and I'm diggin I'm diggin I'm diggin I lost track of it Oh Abraham said I heard the iphone 7 will have the same glass and metal design like iphone 4 but thinner and taller what are the rumors what do you think about the actual systemics mean aesthetics I think it's essentially going to be the same thing it's going to look I'm sorry for all your conspiracy theories out there who believe that there's gonna be a new design there won't be for this phone I mean it's been pretty much Telegraph through most the mainstream press now that that the iphone 7 isn't going to change significantly it will be a little bit thinner I think like you made the point that move from audio jack to lightning does allow to be a little bit thinner it'll probably be a hair thinner and there they'll probably talk about how great that whatever point zero zero one millimeter no it's the species iphone ever yeah yeah we did we've seen there are bin pictures that have been circulating for money the antenna lines right instead of going through the phone will go around the phone so it'll be a cleaner look that's it though I don't think we're you should prepare for an iphone 7 that looks a lot like the success in the six yeah there will probably still be giant lines outside the fifth avenue store sure york for sure he's it gonna be the same as the iPhone 6 I really doubt it yeah well here's the thing iphone 6 was two years ago people's contracts and people serve are trained to upgrade after two years so we're at that two-year refresh cycles so even if there isn't a huge amount of excitement for this new phone I think they're going to be enough people who are upgrade eligible that I'm gonna make the jump yeah we have a that makes sense we have a few people on the stream who want you to get personal give us your top one two three things wish list things it's like what the hell Apple where's this feature each of you oh yeah well big one stylist no yeah god no um with the pencil yeah definitely the pencil uh might I think I have two big ones that's a wireless charging I wonder wireless are go to a long long time and they have an Apple watch is a wireless charging device so they've used the technology they could throw it into an iPhone very easily everyone else does at this point and waterproof I'd love it to be yahoo just don't mind sorry that's okay yeah I'd like to be able to just drop my phone my toilet yeah not actually purposefully but accidentally drops but Phil have a phone that i can use so i would probably say two things would be movable storage so that I could upgrade it independently that would just be nice as like money's ever happening I know but like I wouldn't notice the difference because my iphone is in a case yeah so wouldn't really make a difference to me from a design perspective if I could remove the back of head rom the other one oh no I forgot oh well I give up okay uh breaking the stream of thought here for just a hot second Peter wants to know if the Batman phone has sold out the samsung one yes ah a little bit edition if you can't get it I imagine is sold out by now I believe cnet's got one maybe if you asked Jessica real nice mm-hmm oh Jessica don't forgot one I think Jessica's well we have a review unit why did she not share I just like Batman I could care less about the phone that's true wait a minute I just remember that the home button thing if I could actually integrate the home button into the screen oh that's a good one yeah moving the home button that's fine I rose up that ladder that's in the pipeline but yeah it's not going to be coming I'm 1 i'm willing to bed twice 17 that might be a thing that would be really significant to some part of the problem with that by the way is that the fingerprint sensor we haven't gone to technology has an advanced to the point where it's accurate enough to get a fingerprint sensor embedded in the screen itself like i've talked to the guy that like synaptics they've been working on this for years that sort of like the holy grail and it's still like a year to out even they say that so i imagine like that could happen in 2017 maybe 2018 getting rid of the home button but that's the fingerprint i think is one of the biggest right stumbling blocks when I'm but with the same size phone you would get a much bigger screen doing that oh you could even see more phone this is an you would get an even this is the issue that i have with the the plus that that i'm seeing now with the note 7th note 7 is so much smaller mmm significantly smaller butt has a bigger display so it just yeah like I stacked the to update each other I'm like a yeah the plus is like really it's a really little too bulky yeah so ultimately it does sound like there are a number of things that they can improve with the iphone but we're probably not going to see a lot of thumb until 2017 yeah if we're scraping the bottom of the barrel here they're they're trying to stagger these things out so they can keep saying like this new this because they're running out no yeah well they had raised you know they had been staggering since the beginning yeah this is the first time that they're actually breaking away from that you know one every other year upgrade and they're actually extending it they're not they're not doing a significant upgrade after now three years that's yeah that is where the upgrade cycle is headed so I think that they're realizing that maybe yeah well squeeze a couple more in here before we gotta call it quits because we are running out of time yeah a number of people are saying like yeah we've already gone bluetooth this is old news who cares but Dan brought up an interesting question do you think the new lightning headphone adapter will be more susceptible to breaking just seeing it breaking due to the port in your pocket under tension which on his side I have broken so many headphones in my pocket and the regular quarter inch at or agency Jack question I haven't broken any I mean I've my lightning power cables do end up fraying and breaking so I don't know there that's that's legitimate concern I don't know that's that I'm not sure we will get people complaining about it on lightning gate yes saying there'll be there'll be some sort of controversy I'm sure mm-hmm that's a good point though I hadn't considered a good point Dan very good point um we're going back and forth and back and forth between the note 7 and the iphone 7 go figure yes what's our idea about price point coming out on these any any word on that I can't imagine there anything too early yeah well no it's also they hover around the same they're predictable it's gonna be a 650 for the basics 50 for the base model and a hundred dollars for every step up and then the plus will be a hundred dollars more right the question is is the base language still going to be 16 gigs are they going to upgrade that yeah two gigs it's what you're getting for your money the price the price chart doesn't change though they haven't changed that thing in well very long time ever wouldn't really I wouldn't be surprised if there's no way that they change it during right this is off year although people aya they do kind of have an opening because the galaxy note 7 came out and it's like 850 880 like crazy expensive the note are the the 6s plus starts at seven fifty a hundred bucks blast so you know there's this chance that maybe Apple can check the prices up with the gigs on that though that's a thing it comes with 64 gigs starts at 60 was only one model home see four gig model right that's not bad that's actually a pretty good deal okay yeah with any luck the only thing I can see coming out of the the Lightning port conversion the best part is the reduction of perhaps heat because be flan is asking why the iPhone gets really hot a lot of that is because of the way that the internals are structured and yeah being that there is an essentially an exhaust port in that quarter inch it collect dust and that causes other complications and that's why I phone gets warm in your pocket the metal body doesn't help you there truth yeah yep um that's not just it's not just Apple i have a galaxy s6 edge and that thing heats up like crazy like much hotter than anything the iphone can accomplish but that's a large part of the reasoning that they're trying to present of why we're getting rid of the headphone port it's not just them being like we're gonna do it better it there is kind of like an actual scientific reason behind it well it still will probably overheat though it's really well because we use these things entirely too much i know mine starts to melt when I pokemon for more than an hour right right but with any luck we can actually see a positive outcome yeah from this one thing even though there's a lot of negative to it as well sure is trying to be unbiased okay yeah iono me appreciate your imbalanced sure that exists we had some really fantastic interactions today but we are running out of time oh yeah we're this way way late let's do this again as we get closer to Apple day thanks so much for all the questions will do this every day no but thank you for your questions or comments that's awesome we'll see you guys over on the Apple bite with brian Tong i'm sure how we will see you all tomorrow if you like anything you saw or heard here check us out on cnet.com our podcast is also available on itunes google play music soundcloud feedburner tune in yeah that's it yeah that's it see y'all tomorrow alright thanks guys