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good morning and good afternoon everyone my name is Steven Beecham and you are watching the Apple byte extra crunchy podcast with your host mr. Brian Tom what's up what's up everybody hey welcome to the show in this episode of 102 this is really the week of reviews for the Apple world we have Apple watch series 3 Apple TV 4k iPhone 8 iPhone 8 plus iOS 11 and I couldn't do this without our man on the East Coast mr. Scott Stein hey buddy welcome to show again residents a little hello hello before we get to talking back and forth with Scott and and Beach about everything again this show is all about you all we had something like over a 30 something calls this week might have been even more than that again the number is 1-866-376-8255 wanted to kind of jump around and talk about all of them and kind of what your experience was what other people are saying and I think the product that was is still the most intriguing to me like I'm supposed to get a delivery today they get an Apple watch Series three if they knock on my door I might have to get out of my chair but you know this is the product that has the LT and the watch finally people there I think the reviews were across the spectrum from very pop most of them were very positive then we had a few that were had a lot of issues with the LTE now I do want to before we talk to you about this just dig into that a little bit basically some reviewers have problems with LTE switching off from between the phone and then just going dedicated LTE Apple actually made an official statement on this which they normally don't always try to get in front of but this is what happened if you haven't been familiar with what was going on with the LTE issues basically this what Apple said we have discovered that when Apple watch series three joins unauthenticated Wi-Fi networks without connectivity it may at times prevent the watch from using cellular we are investigating a fix for a future software release so they're trying to tell us that okay fine they're gonna fix us now Scott you got to use the LT Apple watch what was your experience so I didn't have that happen but you know this thing is using it over the course of less than a week a lot of times with wearables I want to wear them even longer but that's where the you know that's that's what our review date hit and we're still gonna be looking at this going forward I didn't see those problems put us on other types of things that were weird sometimes I found that getting messages and notifications happened or didn't happen and that was for a variety of reasons one iMessage seems to come in bursts or not at all and that's something we're still trying to figure out what's going on there notifications with third-party apps that needs your phone on somewhere which I mentioned in the review in order to send those notifications up and then back down your phone so if your phone was off there are some third-party notifications you would not receive so that's strange also a lot of the apps a handful of the apps worked over LTE handful the apps did not work and I expect that that's going to change over the next week or so as you know like a lot of times that is of hardware that Apple launches where apps catch up to it but the question is how many will take advantage and how many will just decide that it's not worth it so I don't know but it did mean that that it's the classic your mileage may vary is very true for the LTE Apple watch plus I only used it on one carrier so far and that was the case I believe for most of the reviews that almost all the reviews that were done all the review they should say because um apples you know that these these watches pre-release were bonded to a test phone number so now we're going to be testing them across phone numbers we were not able to do that leading up to the review so there's a lot more questions to ask and answer both of them there's a lot more questions about it and if you're hesitant about all of that then don't get the LTE version the same thing those I also looked at it as an Apple watch and I think it's a slightly better Apple watch so it continues to be a good really good SmartWatch and I think the best of the bunch but the LTE is a different issue do you think how well with both the actual rating you know that you gave or about this you know what I don't necessarily like to talk about a score rating yeah based on your experience who is the LT base and based on its performance who does the LTE watch really serve at this moment from your time with it early on yeah that's a good question so I gave it an 8.0 that's actually a little bit lower and lower than the series too and it felt like a wash to me because while it's better with software it feels faster loading apps I think some of the health improvements are nice especially that it gives you continuous standing sorry resting heart rate averages and walking heart rate averages which feel more useful than just hanging your heart rate on the other hand you've got some of these LTE quirks and I think that who is really for with that short of battery life on on phone calls is for somebody who just wants an an extra line you know the same way you'd have a home phone with an extra line on your phone you're looking at these things as in case I need it maybe I left my phone at home maybe I run and I just be worried in case something happens it's kind of an in case something blank and that's where the LTE connectivity possibly being you know being an issue and open Wi-Fi spots is a concern because in case you needed it there it would be an issue no I found it worked when I was using it but I was going between Montclair New Jersey in New York City commuting I was taking a look at the levels that I got an LTE service they seemed to mostly hang in sometimes it would it would X out which means it wasn't using LTE but when I started using the phone again it would turn back on like it was kind of going into a sleep mode but I got phone calls that didn't seem to be a problem receiving texts sometimes was a little bit weird I think the reality also when I look at this product is you're not just getting the Apple watch you really cut it they're kind of selling you with the Apple earpods and this watch together to effectively bridge this hole okay you're not gonna have a look I don't see many people talking to their wrist and it is a little less natural it almost seems like they aren't outright saying it but it's really you're not only gonna get the Apple watch LT but we want you to get the air pods to complement it yeah the microphone is fine on the Apple watch for phone calls nobody notices that you're talking on a watch but the speakers are really really not good for talking in public okay they're really not good versus bad because they're fine for a little thing but they get drowned out anytime you're at a big public space you have to hold it up to your to your ear and then it becomes really uncomfortable so if you're liking at home in a quiet space they're fine and so it's kind of like a little intercom but you basically want to get a good pair of wireless headphones not just for music but one with a good microphone to be able take calls I do think Apple has obviously created the seamlessness more seamless it's - I still had some issues with air pods connecting to them at times but more seamless with with air pods to the point where they feel like a package even more now but that's an extra hundred $60 and the extra $10 a month you're gonna have to spend to keep this watch connected which is the thing that annoys me the most that is something that I really don't know if would be worth for a lot of people and and that's the deal breaker if anything else year-over-year the watch is what is it like $30 more I think but the dip but the gap between the three and the three with LTE this year is $70 so it's that's a big gap but if you had bought the series to last year the equivalent price on the series three it doesn't feel it's about like what the Apple TV 4k is but that's not really the right comparison because right now you'd be picking LT or no LT yeah yeah the O really quickly before we move on to the next product battery life what was the thing that I always say is when you first specific with the Apple watch I remember when I first got it I was tinkering it and messing with it all the time and I was like holy crap this battery life is like nothing and I know as a reviewer you really had to put it through its paces what did you feel like the overall battery life was actually using it like did taking a one call pretty much feel like dang I just killed like a third of the battery juice on here taking one call didn't produce that but if you stuck on the call for like half an hour you would definitely notice that and I did notice that so for like a couple of minute phone call nobody oh my god it goes so across the board and that's the problem is that you really have to monitor your battery because it really changes on a daily basis if you're so with the way the connection works on the watch is it's designed that Apple made it so it's like gonna always look for your phone first and that's the least draining then it goes to Wi-Fi which is slightly more draining then it goes to a Kenosha below greater drain now and then that hiccup and the in like the trade-off was that like when it tries going to Wi-Fi but then it finds the network but it requires a login like Starbucks and it can't get the login then right now it like hangs and you don't have any connection and there's no way to you can't break that so that's a problem but battery life if I'm just using it connected to my phone or phones always on me is basically like it was before where it's about day and a half you know like by the end of the day or about sixty percent fifty percent battery which is which is fine it's not great but it's what it was before and it means you you could make it to the end of the day you're you're still gonna have to charge but but if you keep if you use the LTE stuff you'll seen the music your we even gotten in a music streaming which not available but just playing music doing any heart rate GPS tracking talking to someone also at the end of the day we written by 4:00 p.m. it could be time to recharge and so that's that's it that's a big change and you know all of a sudden I look down and go oh it's a 30% same time in another day it's at 70% that's what's gonna happen when you're using it you have to be ready for that and ask if that's really been anything you want to get into of course you can just turn your LTE off but then you basically as not having bought an LTE at the ops 3 yeah uh final verdict for you personally would you buy it for you personally version I would do an Apple watch for the first time I would get a series 3 because I think it's got a little more speed to it and I but here's the thing I really think when it comes to Apple watches pretty much across the board except for the ones their reports say when the first Apple watch is not compatible as some of the new heartrate features uh but other than that between like a series one and the others they all feel kind of the same it's just a matter of what extra little things you want to pay for so now it's like it's more like a car where it's like they're all they're all gonna function fine but do you swim or do you want GPS or do you want the phone call thing or basically what you know if those don't matter to you then get the cheapest one that's on sale and don't sweat it yeah I totally I agree with you 100% on that I have a first Siri one I tried a series two but because I didn't want to swim I'm like I don't need to get this and then the only reason why I'm looking at series three is I just want to see how well this LTE thing actually works but am I gonna really use em is it really gonna be good enough for me to use the phone differently that that's in my life and where I live again right signal it depends on where you go what you do in the area that you really live in so it it feels like this is gonna be one of those products that people will have different opinions on just because there's so many different factors that can dictate how well this actually performs based on what you do or where you are so I looked at it compared to I kind of felt in the weeds because I reviewed this is not the first watch phone I've looked at and to me it's kind of like a familiar thing at this point which is not the case for a lot of people I looked at this samsung series 2 3g Samsung s3 which had LTE I looked at LG watch sport I looked at the LG watch urbane LTE for like a hot second before it was met and I you know they all had trade-offs when it came to the s3 last year none of them performed well doing using cellular the s3 I liked as a watch so again that was but you know it was a trade off against the performance of it with cellular so Apple went into the same you know problem landscape and I don't know if they would be able to conquer it and they didn't really fully conquer it but I do think it's working more smoothly than it did on those watches I still felt like when I first set it up I was surprised that I was getting work emails that was my interesting part because we're on you know that's like a pretty complicated security login and yet here they were just popping in once I first set up syncing so that was kind of nice others sometimes don't do that so there was that there the fact that I was able to get the phone calls I still had to do because we're doing on the one test phone I was having calls get forwarded from my other account so you know there's a lot of things I still want to check out living off of it even more to see if those weirdnesses continue or to test it but it was a fun experiment for like an hour you know it was like it was the most unique thing of the three products I reviewed because the the iPhones really didn't feel different on a general basis so I thought that was kind of in a weird way kind of Zen at first but I was also impressed by that by the music function which we can get into - please do yeah I just want to make sure was a gift talking but thank you talking forever about this thing I know you can Scott but I love you so I let you talk and that's a thing I keep having to pull away from this and go I'm a kind of a smartwatch geek but the average person doesn't need a SmartWatch and I still don't think we've crested at the point where there any sort of essential device and then when it comes to Apple watch you're also getting more and more each with like GPS for runners GPS plus LTE for runners and people who want to get a phone call so you know you're slicing it I think thinner Apple wants it to appeal to more people but I don't know if we're there yet but the music part Apple did address something that finally I think makes the Apple watch all the models they get the update feel more like an iPod before it's really annoying the sync music to Apple watch it's annoying the sync to Samsung gear s 3 it's annoying this thing to Android wear it's just been terrible you have to set up these playlists and way films transfer the one thing the new one does is that now a key number of most listened-to albums and a few playlists automatically go on the watch the first time you're charging it even without doing anything which is great because the moment you want to start listening to music it's basically like a collection of you know I don't know 100 or so songs that are just there for you and that actually was really nice and if you want to add more you can add them and then you do have to annoyingly Reese put it on the charger and let it sit for a while the transfer but it didn't take as long to do that as it used to and again I just felt like I started listening to music more on them which is like I never did before because the music was just there and it also sometimes when I was walking or meant saving battery life on my phone just using that as the music player so there was that that's not mean that that's something that most people haven't actually talked about is that just the fact that they put making music on they're a little more easy and it's just they're allowed to listen that's interesting I I didn't think I didn't even think about that until you just brought that up I'm like you know what I would probably do that then yeah there's so many ways to look at it like I kept slicing the review into subsections and when I when I handed in the review to edit it was like you know two thousand plus words I thought I was gonna keep this simple but it's because a lot of these things it's just like phones you have to look at it all different ways like a phone you look at how is it as a camera how is it with this how is it with better like with what with a smart watch now it's like how is it as a music player how is it as a fitness tracker how is it as a phone now how is it as a watch so there's all sorts of use cases that people might use it for and they don't necessarily want one but they might want the other so yeah music I thought I think it's a better iPod than it is a phone you know that's very you're saying that because in their pitch you know they're like the big pitch their whole they're like slogan it's forty million songs on your wrist you know so it seems like they're making a big push for the music but you're saying like the music's actually stored on on the watch and it takes how long did it take to transfer over again so you used to feel like it almost stuck overnight used to like a bizarre you just keep checking and I was thinking how it's like Apple watch software updates like sometimes they just seem to SM Brian you tweeted about that one point they seem to just hang for a while and I go come on like this is doesn't seem like it's gonna be that hard to do but now it happened while I waited so I could see it took a little bit of time a few minutes but I could see the album go from like put it on there to you know now like the the graphic changed to show that it was on the watch so a little a little better still I mean it definitely could be better plus the one thing that's weird as you still can't send albums directly from the music app into the watch like you want to just be listening the music and go add that to my watch but you you can't you have to when you launch music got four first time it tells you do it in your watch so it's like buried in the watch setting still fine it did work and it's stored there you can I think it's like what is it to gauge your so it's not a ton of storage space it's like an iPod shuffle but it's enough that you can put frequently listen to things and the playlists they automatically put on there keep getting updated over time including the most listened to albums you have I mean it's weird like I think chill is a permanent playlist that gets synced so like you're going to have you're gonna have chill I would like them to it's like the YouTube album like I would like to be able to remove chill oh yeah if I want to but there's nothing else I would put on there you know that's like not taking up any space you use otherwise there's a storage on the Apple watch is weird it's not like storage on your iPhone so I don't mind that they're sticking some music on there I would like to remove it but it's better than not having any at this point and you can add your own playlist as well that's cool very nice alright here Scott so we're gonna move on to the next product here it's really the most recently reviewed product out of this batch and it's the Apple TV 4k and I was you know I I always like to give Apple the benefit of the doubt and hope that we hear or find out something and I remember when the Apple TV 4k was first launched and they were talking about Dolby vision and HDR 10 I'm like this is awesome but then they never said anything about Dolby Atmos or DTS X and for people that aren't familiar I mean people that have listened this podcast enough know how much I'm all about Dolby Atmos because it is amazing it's like once you experience it it's the next level of audio and home audio and so I'm like okay well maybe Apple will didn't bring it up because they didn't think it was important and a lot of times when Apple doesn't say something in the keynote it's deliberately like yeah they don't see it because they're not getting any time soon so the Apple TV 4k came out Dave caps um I reviewed it didn't the awesome job digging into it but you know you mentioned this thing about Apple did really conquer Apple watches they just kind of caught up and did something but they're not conquered and I feel exactly the same way with this Apple TV 4k they had an opportunity here to actually conquer the landscape or give us everything we that everyone else has and they can stay can do that but on launch again it's like this mishmash of okay here here's 4k video but we're not gonna give you the highest fidelity of audio that is not like it's hard to find I mean dolby atmos and DTS X have been here for a while people have systems and I just like how can you put Dolby vision but not put Dolby Atmos in your box I that just seems like it's just half of the puzzle I just think it's absurd and not only that you know it doesn't support vp9 which is 4k video for youtube and goodness I mean YouTube is the number one video streaming platform on planet earth so it doesn't have support for that I don't know I just think there's a lot of holes in this where it is still the only set-top box at this moment standalone that does Dolby vision others do HD are 10 but it's just like and they said they'll do a software update down the road but again I was just like it's an in it just felt incomplete to me yeah I think if you are I didn't even get a chance to look at it Katz Meyer has been having fun with it I've been curious about it and I'm hoping to go take a peek at it it's a weird product because you know it's actually to my mind in terms of where Apple products are at Apple TVs are low priced they're like the thing you could go buy on an impulse which is not the case for a watch or a phone or an iPad at the same time yeah there's a whole you know big curve of audio/video file you know interest in terms of well yeah well if you're going to give this to me I'm gonna make the move and put all my stuff on here I want it to go all the way to the top and beat that and like what is the Apple TV is it meant to be a casual thing is it meant to suit the pro you know top end audio/video file needs and it's hard to tell like you said and leave some things out and then I'm like a person who look I'm not it's it's embarassing my home set up like I don't have any interesting audio setup at home we listen to our TV via the TV speakers by decree in the home because we don't want to wake up the kids I like to have a sound bar and that doesn't even get turned on and so it's um it is a 4k TV that I got last year but yeah it's weird so I don't I don't know I I you know I'm really like not keeping up I kind of like threw my hands up as far as like keeping up with audio formats myself but it is frustrating is you might find something that you want to be watching or want to be enjoying and I think is a lot of performance to keep track of I just don't know I I felt fine with work anyhow it's been out there for a while it's like Apple talked about it as if it had just debuted I feel like every game console and everything like you know go to Best Buy and it's like for Kayla and so congratulate it's good that it's there congratulations and that's important but this is not I was more focused on like how they're reinventing the idea of television and how this does not do that we keep wondering whether they're gonna have TV packages or other stuff I mean it doesn't and so in that sense it's another streaming box and a bunch of streaming boxes and some parts seem really nice in the end I feel like for the $30 more it's like yeah you just buy this one it's it's an easy kind of no-brainer but and I'm curious about games but I was curious about Apple TV games before and while there are a bunch of them it's not really used for that and especially in terms of controllers so I curved my enthusiasm with that part is to well yeah I mean the whole idea that you know Apple during their keynotes they'll always pitch something cool like hey when that when the new at least the upgraded fourth generation Apple TV came out they bring out a bunch of developers but because they do bring out a developer that has something cool to show doesn't mean that everyone's gonna jump on board and you know the most for the most part the games on the Apple TV the good ones are just ports of very early iPhone games that were popular like jetpack joyride so you know this product to me unless you even so here's the other thing right just the way that it handles video for example um HBO GO they have they have a stream and it's um they don't send you 4k streams but it is an HD stream but because what happens with the Apple TV is it basically takes everything and tries to up convert it to 4k so anything that is not 4k from the Apple TV so basically if you're not watching iTunes movies from that our 4k from an Apple TV it's going to convert every other video source from every app that you use on it to 4k but then when it does that in the process it kind of tweaks it adds its own flavor of HDR it tries to optimize it but in a lot of cases it actually made movies look worse and so that are not native forbs it's gonna say like anytime you you try to bring the resolution higher it's gonna make it look worse I don't understand why there I didn't had no idea they were doing that but that that's crazy that they're doing that so it's like you know on the surface look guess what again this is as a general consumer someone's gonna say see Oh Apple TV 4k this is awesome I have a 4k TV that I bought a year ago I'm gonna finally get a watch 4k but I think this is one of the one of the products that really the devil is really in the details when you talk about this is not really this is not trying to serve I don't know exactly who it's trying to serve whether it's like a mix of high end and a mix of consumer and then sure Apple says they're gonna get these updates to get dolby atmos and whatnot but a lot of people when i when i first put it out like apple for apple TV 4k more like Apple TV for me like some people got mad at me and one of their arguments was look not everyone has Dolby Atmos and when I hear that it's almost like people are now making these built-in excuses for Apple like not everyone has this technology Apple shouldn't make it and that's like exactly the opposite of how a technology company or how we as fans and who love technology should think we should not ever say Oh only a few people have this they shouldn't roll out with it I don't that was telling me about how maybe Apple has started to really build this loyal following that is saying once Apple gives it to me then it's ready for primetime I I didn't really seen that before well I don't know if it feels like the classic I'm thinking about like when the first Apple TV the one before it not the first and then one before this I feel like we were all so surprised that it didn't have 4k there was a thought of like why it only goes 1080p like why is that and then even like the first the first iPhone having edge instead of 3G at very beginning of it oh yeah oh yeah I mean we know they're not we know that they're not always on top of it's just that it's I just found this product maybe I'm just bugged by it because I have Dolby Atmos you know I maybe that's why I bothers me I'm just like just get it in there already and they said they'll do a software update if it's I'll be cool with it if it happens within the next two three months but if it takes six months to a year that's kind of a joke to me you know I liked about the whole 4k thing and I think we talked about this before was that they're not making you pay up more for the 4k movies that if you built a library of iTunes you can you get grandfathered in which feels a bit like razors and razor blades or like Kindles and books where maybe if you have a large iTunes library then you say well now I might just spring for the 4k Apple TV because if and all those grandfathered in maybe that's the idea but about I'm sure others will follow suit I'm sure I'm sure that that will spring I'm wondering when Amazon will will do the same thing it would make sense to upgrade your movie library hopefully but I think it's a nice touch but that has nothing to do with the box that's just if you had a bunch of movies that you had bought you have to pay more yeah just one quick story follow up just to add on a little information that is recent that just came out today a report or actually this is based on an Apple support document they are saying that with this new Apple TV 4k you can download a local copy of the HD version of the movie so you can download it straight to the Apple TV right instead of streaming it because we know even when streaming video it it's not gonna be quote you know the highest fidelity but at least with these HDR and dolby vision ultra 4k versions of movies that iTunes is offering it's only going to stream them it will not download them to the device for you to play so I found that that's some kind of a subtle interesting tweak that they are not allowing you to actually download the full 4k movie onto your Apple TV 4k which also that's a bummer yeah which also tells me that getting the larger capacity unless you somehow have God knows how many apps for your Apple TV 4k isn't really necessary if you're they're only allowing you to stream the 4k versions of the movies so there you go that's that's just a little bit of news and information for people that actually care I I don't know how many people are actually running to buy the Apple TV 4k but I don't know I want it I wanted it to have Dolby Atmos that's all I wanted that's all they had to do for me and I'd be happy but I'm not Apple TV now with 4k yeah that's like basically how I feel and then yeah it's not the ultimate box it's not going for necessarily all the things that you need but it's literally that and so that's how I feel about it it was like if I hadn't got one before I get the 4k one having a please yeah I just get just cuz yeah and and for the people that are listening look roku has 4k on their box and it has Dolby Atmos support and it's only a $99 box and the Microsoft Xbox one also supports Dolby Atmos so again it's not like mainstream competitors don't have this like this is it's actually kind of normal to me so well so well we'll get off the Apple TV 4k and you know we've saved this for later Scott because we kind of know what's going on but let's talk about the iPhone 8 and the iPhone 8 plus and your you know you you have them right there but let's talk about your impressions and again you reviewed these so I'll just kind of let you let you talk about what what your what you thought so yeah this is a tough review too because the first thing you want to say is these are boring and you think that when you're hearing about what's new with them and it almost feels boring by design because at the same event instead of these being the main event the intent is the main event so they're instantly overshadowed and maybe that's to drive your interest in the tenth so aside from that same design why do I want that it reminds me of reviewing MacBooks you know when I reviewed MacBook Air year after year after year we're doing an iPad year after year after year where sometimes you just say it's faster look faster is a really good thing and photo quality improving is always good because folk cameras still need to get better on phones they're not where they need to be so I feel like any improvements that's great and they were improved like actually james martin was more impressed than i was which was fascinating because he noticed things i think as a photographer i felt like they definitely were better at low light colors seemed richer but when i took a lot of side by side photos with the 7 to 8 i showed them to my wife she had our time telling the difference so that's what you're looking at is that i don't think you're gonna get necessarily blown away by the photos compared to the 7 but i do think that they're better and also i think video is the part maybe that shines the most because that's something now we're video quality in my mind on what you can shoot on an iphone matches some of the best quality video that you can shoot period whereas were not quite there with cameras and sor so i found that the video quality I was shooting I was like even more astonished and I thought oh this looks really nice but they're incremental and the speed that you're getting on these phones that's that's paper speed because you're looking at in benchmarks and what do you use it for maybe encoding video editing movies and things like that but are you doing that on your phone I mean I clip some iPhone and share them I'm not like going to be editing major things so there's also the promise of Apple repeatedly said that these new chips and motion processors are used to take advantage of AR but we've only just seen the beginning of Apple's AR kid apps and they work on previous iPhones so you could just use your previous iPhone and enjoy that for fun like Google cardboard basically get enough fun out of that for now and wait for Apple to figure it out more versus spending into this which will eventually be updated by a future iPhone that being said I think AR is the kind of the coolest thing you can do and I was surprised like I thought a R was gonna overshadow the iPhone 8 before the event started and you are waiting for it right yeah I do it I just tell John I was like this is gonna happen and look a lot of them are gimmicky but some of them are astounding and I just started sharing some of these on Twitter and ask you this some of them just one of them blew up and all I did was just use the capture and I just put them on just having fun who knows they're weird yes the world is weird it was like putting IKEA furniture on a subway platform and you can see it looks really good now like the video quality when you capture when you're an AR mode is slightly lower than or is lower than what you get in a normal video so that probably helps make the placement of these graphics feel more natural it's almost like everything has been kind of blurred and gel together but it works and the placement looks really magical the it holds in place pretty well considering they're using regular cameras and that's really awesome and I don't know where it's gonna go next I think design and measurement are the killer apps for these things because that's something that anyone could say I could use that like dancing alligators and hot dogs and all those other that like those will come they'll always have a limit because I feel like we've already seen that with snapchat how much more we argue snapchat already makes its its little bit mochi dance on your head and that feels like this so I think everything is gonna keep getting better Google's gonna get this too um but right now I think it's the most impressive thing you don't even need the new icon for it yeah absolutely um I wanted to go back really quickly when we were talking about just the camera in general and just a report that actually just dropped today right we have a DX Oh mark who is known for basically kind of giving out the official you know I I don't want to say unofficial but really kind of the industry official score benchmark of how these cameras perform so according to DxO mark they called the iPhone 8 plus the best performing mobile device camera we have ever tested so when it talks about some of these screens it says in its overall DxO mark mobile score of 94 the iPhone 8 plus camera beats out pretty the previous top score which was the Google pixel and the HTC you 11 which was at 90 the 8 just the standard iPhone 8 measured in at 92 so pretty much right we have the 8 plus and the 8 the top two cameras the 8 was 8 plus was slightly better just kind of what you're talking about ability to kind of be able to do better low-light subtly just a few subtle things I just gave it that extra boost now they did say for video they actually rated the pixels video still tops at 90 and gave the iPhone 8 plus an 8 a score of 89 which is pretty much basically right there but to your point what you know when we talk about these cameras James Martin our own scene a photographer that went out and about shot like over 2000 photos of it as our phones are our cameras I mean this this is the best camera on the market right now overall yeah I would say so because last year I mean that's what I'm saying incrementally versus seven plus I mean 7 plus was a great camera and you know since then the difference is that a lot of other phones have made really good cameras too so I'd say there's a lot of great cameras across the board to the casual eye it's getting to the point where it's kind of like reviewing I don't know I'm not a TV review but I would imagine it's like display quality where you know sometimes you get into nuances that the average person might not appreciate but still we're here to talk about and review it but I would say like the notates camera pixel you look at these phones that are taking all really good shots none of them are getting to the SLR level yet but they you know the landscape feels very even I'd say the 8 plus even more than low-light yeah it's about the color it's about like the general and that's that's the ISP improvements here like there's color and some detail things feel a little different when you're shooting in HDR and things like that it doesn't always show up but sometimes you look at it and go wow the colors are really nice there and that's something that I remember in previous iPhone comparisons people had had talked about color and said maybe you know that the colors weren't as impressive on the eye on the iPhone that that really feels like it's been addressed with this so that can make a huge difference for people if you're really into photography on your phone but if you're just looking to take some good photos you could definitely go with the previous generation and be fine but you know yeah the best one is here I only have pause because yeah we have the 10 coming up and now I don't feel like the chip and everything else in there might be more similar to the 8 + than not because it shares supposedly the same 8 a 11 processor I saw I saw a slightly different speeds on our benchmark between a 11 on the + and the 8 and the a 11 the plus I did get more RAM on a recording - our benchmark app so you don't know what the 10 is really going to have but it does have an e 11 and it does have the same rear camera wide-angle but it has a better telephoto so that one's gonna have dual OAS in the 10 whereas the 8 plus only has OAS in the wide-angle not the telephoto and then it goes from what to point to 2.44 close to the aperture and then the front one is a whole different thing because even though it's a seven megapixel it's gonna have all that face scanning stuff and the ability to do depth of field not through dual cameras but through they'll get like a very Xbox Kinect type of a thing that will take portrait mode photos so maybe your your selfies will start looking great or even better but you know that remains to be seen so that could be another camera leap incrementally which is why I would not you know for now the eight plus is the best but if you're interested in photos that much you might want to wait it out yeah alright Scott so what I'm gonna do here because we are we're not gonna have you hang for our phone calls because we we appreciate your time but I just kind of wanted to go down the list for you if you would and just personally being honest if you would get them or not we already said for Apple watch you would actually most more likely recommend people to get and you would get a series three versus a series three LTE is that correct yeah unless I really felt like the prices worked out I just don't like getting word of my my data plan I don't want to spend you know it's if that we're not a factor if there was nothing more added I might be tempted to go for it yeah and if it would share yeah if the carry isn't real cool like that if they were yeah but I don't like that's the thing that bugs me the most and it you know and I also think it's worth they should we should see what happens when everything gets ironed out if it gets a turn to well I think it's worth pointing out a lot of people in the chat room are saying you get the first three months free but I don't know if that you also have to be locked into a contract or whatever but with the LTE Apple watch you get the first three months free on every care on every carrier so it saves you thirty but saves you 30 bucks 30 bucks yeah and also then you can see how you like it and then maybe not use it but again you know the fact that you cannot set up the we didn't talk about this the Apple watch cannot be set up fully on its own you need an iPhone for it so if you're traveling you can't treat it as a second phone really so that part actually affects it too is if it was really a full standalone device then I might get the LTE and say you know what if I'm traveling or something it could just be my one phone and you sort of not really like that and also you know in terms of roaming it seems like it's not being supported so that there's a lot of questions about how you set that up when you're traveling that are unclear and roaming the roaming issue internationally is gonna be an issue because this ECM is not does not work with all the carriers that it would if it was an actual SIM card chip right there's a lot of questions there what happens internationally and all that stuff and we don't really know yet so that that all sounds like a hold hold off on that unless you're desperate to experiment with it okay Scott's uh hey beat him I need to ask you Apple watch Series three are you yay or nay I'm an a I'm an a right now based on a lot of stuff Scott said I don't want to pay the extra $10 a month and and he's saying it's hard to you're not gonna get third-party app notifications and stuff like that so right now I mean now okay uh next one I'm a yay I'm a yes but we'll see we'll see if I turn to a name but I'm a ye I actually they knocked on my door twice already they better left that box out there because we're doing I mean seriously I want to go get it but I'm not going to okay Apple TV 4k yay or nay start with you Beach 4k I'm an a cuz it's what like a hundred and eighty bucks or something like that and it's Scott Stein oh sorry go ahead I feel like it's just like a glorified Roku with 4k I don't know yeah Scott's this this if I didn't have an Apple TV I would be like yay or hope you like yay or I would worry about another TV that I just bought an iTunes library do have things on iTunes I would I would say yeah cuz it's not that expensive compared to other it's compared to stream boxes it's expensive oh yeah but in the Apple store that is not an expensive item so I am yeah I would do it so I'm like I'm like flip a coin because see I don't actually yeah I it's frustrating to me but I'm gonna give it I'm gonna give it a I'm gonna give it a yeah even though I'm not happy with it 100 percent happy I'm gonna give it a yeah cuz I would I would I would get it I would get it I'm eventually gonna get it I know I am so ok iPhone 8 or A+ gentlemen where do you stand on this we're all in different places some of us want to get the 10 some of us don't there's all these reasons but where do you stand with this Beach you go first I'm actually seriously contemplating selling my iPhone success and getting the s e which is like 250 or 350 or something so I'll actually make money I'll make me you know and I don't know I don't want a big ass phone in my hand I like the smaller se size so that's I'm kind of leaning towards that that's that's that's legit I love that all right mr. Stein i'ma wait I'm not yea or nay I'm wait I feel like you have you have to wait and see what the 10 is all about and I think that unless you really dead-set you're not on board the 10 which again it could be a huge a huge pain or it could be actually good or it could be you know just not ready for right now or it could be amazing you don't know if you if you decided you don't want to afford that you don't want to play that game fine but you know just like what happens if that's the greatest phone and then you already bought the 8 plus or the 8 it would be frustrating so I would wait I also feel like if you already have a 7 definitely wait don't get this generation you don't need it you can play around plenty of other things they've been waiting a long time and you want the same design and you just won up-to-date phone then get it basically it'll cover your bases and the cameras great I still think I'm gonna really miss having it a touch ID home button I think I'm really gonna miss that like I know already in my mind I'm going to go for an X I mean I have to just for the purposes of the show and all this stuff but you know and at the same time kind of to your point I I'm like how the 8 isn't enough the 8 doesn't do enough different compared to the 7 so it's like if I'm an upgrade I have you know I want something that's gonna be different but I think I'm gonna really miss the home button a lot and I think a lot of people aren't it's not them bitching about like oh I'm not ready to embrace new technology I think it's just the way that it functions and integrates within the OS across the board it's going to feel different and people gonna miss it enough as we skipped using that for any of our I really want about your original headline without your original headline for the review we exited the Steve Jobs theater I feel like it is enough was playing it mostly and it never worked out eight is enough on the cutting room floor but I would say hate that I yeah I just don't know about the face ID thing and the problem is that Apple's convinced it's gonna work we don't know yet that's what reviews are for uh and historically now there are moments when Apple has introduced technology that hasn't solved the thing that it necessarily was going to and sometimes it does so I could see it going either way and that's the that's the problem there it's like maybe it's maybe it's magical maybe it's a huge headache and that's aside from the security questions which are we don't know about we just don't know how it works really in terms of security we don't know how apps fold into it bunch of unknowns but I think it could be really annoying just because you're using this all the time every day and it's your mission-critical device if one little thing doesn't feel right then it's like a keyboard then suddenly you're gonna say forget it I don't I can't put up with this unless you're the person who want I think it's kind of like in a weird way I think it's kind of like the original iPhone maybe that's giving it too much credit but I mean in the sense that if you bought that first iPhone it had drawbacks compared to your average phone interface you know no keyboard and at that point things weren't hooked in and take advantage of everything yet and you kind of made do because you were into the idea of Apple's new tech but it was a hindrance between that and edge so I feel like that could be what happens with the 10 where early adopters will have fun playing with it but it'll be a tree that's a good point I like that all right hey Scott we just want to say thank you for hanging with us just they for all your input and I hope you get a little breather after all those reviews I hope so tell John to help Falcone that you should tell me I need it what was that we have a lot to do but I'm gonna try to relax this weekend a little bit all right excellent all right there you go ladies and gentlemen Scott Stein thanks again and we'll talk to somebody hey thanks okay Beach so um Scott you're free to go and then we're just gonna wrap up the show with our voicemails if that's cool of course thanks a lot guys it's great to be on eh thanks man take care of multiple talk too soon thanks so much always always men of course it was awesome thanks cool thank you okay it's just so we'll just it's just just you me baby just you and me and the 400 500 people watching all right so should well I guess you'll just put in some music transition then we'll just come back and then get to the phone calls sure we could just go straight to him right now yeah let's go yeah I'll go to him right now okay whenever yeah we got a bunch of calls you guys thank you very much for calling and everyone kept it really short and concise - which was nice we got yeah we're gonna I think we're putting in like 10 or 12 calls today we're giving we're giving it to you also if you last this long on the show you're a die-hard Apple Biderman you're extra crunchy extra Munchie I'd argue they want a longer show Brian they want a longer one what seriously I get that all the time why is it in an hour why isn't it like giant bomb there's like a three-hour podcast and they're like well yeah yeah we're cool popular yeah that's cool I mean I don't I ate over them on this show I don't want to talk I don't want to hear my voice for over an hour that's that's too much already yeah okay let's get this going all right number one call is about wireless charging which I don't feel is truly Wireless but that's that's my opinion here we go what up guys this is Lynn from Denton Texas and I get to thinking wireless charging that's cool and all but what is Apple really trying to do with that they're trying to get rid of another port just some fodder for conversation they're you know wireless charging lose the port no lightning port hey we don't need to plug no stinking things into the phone do we long live the iPhone 6s I'm gonna keep rocking that for just a little bit longer cuz it's paid for yeah I'm cheap like that see you guys nice because he's like we don't need no stinking ports we don't need no stinking ports yeah that's that that day will eventually come though don't let's just hope it becomes later rather than early but that day is gonna come like did you see Minority Report that's where we're going with all this man oh yeah yeah he definitely has a point he's right he's he's hanging on to his success hang on to it the clutched clutching in your hands okay we got another call here we go Roku and Apple TV hey guys my name is Ahmad I'm from Ann Arbor Michigan I love your show I love everything Apple and I love the keynotes and I always had a question I'm gonna get the new Apple TV but I keep a Roku around just because you guys's app is not on Apple TV and I watch it on the Roku and that's why I'm keeping a roku long do you think that you guys are gonna be as an app on the Apple TV eventually or hopefully in the near future so I can get rid of my Roku and the Apple TV only all right keep it up like good question wait was he Izone doubtful he's asking are we gonna have a CNET app on the Apple TV right now Roku app we have yeah I don't even know a station out but the road no we don't the Roku app is pretty is pretty good I only stoned out because I was pulling up the mission the Michigan theme you know the victory song the Victor song you know that song it's like they played it all the time in you know when I was a big fat v fan like Chris Webber Jalen Rose John Howard so I was like oh my god anyways back to the topic at hand uh so we've actually I'm just gonna tell the audience and keep it real for years I think it probably for three or four years I've asked if we were doing an Apple TV app and I always keep on getting the same answer it's in development one time I'm like oh we're gonna actually test it out in the next month I think that was two or three years ago one that they gave me that response so I don't I don't expect us to have a seen an app on the Apple TV anytime soon but if it pops up I was totally wrong sense sent emails to see net feedback at cnet.com really just go to youth to honestly let's be real just go to youtube seeds to YouTube and use our YouTube channel has everything pretty much yeah yeah you could do that that works easier yeah yeah okay another call here we go and I I ran into this issue - a little bit the other day here we go yeah hey guys I'm calling from Stamford Connecticut my name is Bob and I just had a question Brian quite a while ago it's probably several years now you had done a really good video on how to create ringtones from tracks from your iTunes library I have done the iOS 11 update and somehow erased all of my custom ringtones and those steps that used to work don't work anymore so I was wondering if maybe you might be able to kind of reprieve that video or just do it on the show it would be awesome I'd love to be able to get my well my old homes back thanks man Mike yeah so I did a little digging um it's too hard to explain over an audio podcast but I'll work on a video basically guess guess what surprise surprise using this powerful tool called Google I searched for how to get custom ringtones on iOS 11 and there's actually a way that when your phone is connected to your computer and you can see what's on your device like you can see the books the audio books the TV shows and movies your phone has to be connected to your computer there is an actual folder called tones and then basically you have to navigate through the finder to recover those tones and add them it's a lot more in-depth than that but there is according to a few articles ways to get those ringtones back I it's a huge issue and everyone's like you know first people are happy that they condensed iTunes down but it's now been kind of a big pain in the ass for even like 32-bit apps that no longer work and getting ringtones that you've had all this time so I will well we'll work on getting it's just too hard explain over the audio podcast so yeah yes but there is a way the way if you do update your iTunes make sure you do a backup first of all your stuff put it somewhere in a folder because after the update Happ I did an update on all my iTunes and all my computers after it happens there's this little disclaimer that pops up son said we're trying to focus iTunes more on music and podcasts so you're gonna have to like do some work to get your ringtones back and it's a yeah it comes up after you do the update which is a big pain in the ass so yeah that's a real that's a bad apple my book that's a horrible that's a horrible for about for about APIs let's horror bad new ones you know weird but here's a good Apple we got a good Apple so oh yeah I like that okay good those we got bad apples let's check it out a beach in tolling this is Brian from New Orleans I wanted to throw out a good Apple to Apple because they preserved the lock screen with the iPhone 10 which we're all really just gonna call the iPhone X I do without even thinking so good Apple I want to throw it out there because I'm really glad that the lock screen it's sticking around that way our photos will stick around I called a few weeks back wondering if this was the death of it but I'm glad it's gonna stick around thanks yeah me too man nice baby yeah that's a good thing but how long when the iPhone X comes out how long is that going to show up when you look at your phone that's the question still well it will actually here's the thing it will show up because white pop or something right yes exactly so you have to swipe up once you look at it so you will be able to see those dope pictures yeah okay all right we got a face ID issue here a concern hi guys my name's Evan E and I'm calling from Detroit I currently have an iPhone 6s I watched the keynote and I can't get mr. Howe no phone jack number one and number two the safe ID I personally don't trust it because I'm african-american and I'm dark it and I really don't feel like fighting with my phone in a dark place to a lot of it so I guess I'll stick with my 6s but I am interested in the wireless charging and I was wondering do they have any options for wireless charging for that iPhone 6s thanks for taking my call bye I know what I hear man I love our colors because you got to keep it real she's keeping it real with us I love that call um so there are way to jump on about getting the wireless charging for your 6s there are ways to actually do it quite honestly uh one of my favorite companies that's called Mophie they do wireless charging cases and so what it is it's basically a case that and they make thin ones that you put on your phone and then in addition that you'll have like a charging base whether it's connected to your desktop or connected to like your car and it's magnetic so for example it's kind of a system but you can buy a case that has that is that plugs in directly to your actual phone and then you can charge a wirelessly but again this wireless method requires a case and then they have a variety of different charging pads that you can use so that's the way that I I was doing it for a little while but I really just like super thin cases and I was able to get through the day so if you want to look at it check out Mophie they have their own you know forget iphone 8 and stuff they do have charging cases and there's other companies that do it as well but i psych Mophie the most so you can check that out oh cool alright next call here we go another face ID question hey Brian song huge fan here DeAngelo from Atlanta Georgia isn't the face ID similar to the face unlock that googlies implement into their systems um a few years back I think even the note 8 and I have it I'm not sure I don't know seems like a little bit of Apple pulling up old gimmicks and reworking them making couldn't airplay when they are putting Apple on it or I on it and you know calling in new I don't know moody they so DeAngelo thanks for calling homie uh the thing is that although they both are face recognition type systems apples is significantly different from a standpoint of the technology under it is more specific so for example like with the note eight and the Samsung Galaxy s8 they use kind of a combination of facial scanning and iris scanning but the difference here is really how much more in-depth it gets remember you can you can technically unlock an s8 or a note eight using like a flat piece of paper with someone's face or even holding a screen of another phone up to it with the iPhone you can't even you cannot even unlock it if someone is wearing a mask you can't unlock it if someone is not looking at the phone so it's called gaze right if they're closing their eyes or they're not directly staring at it it will not unlock as well and that's more because Apple is and it you know it takes time to get to this point but Apple is using more advanced sensors in their face recognition system again this has there's really some interesting implications of all this face scanning stuff because although your fingerprint and identity is protected by the Constitution actually they said that face face scans are not protected by the Constitution so that's it you know and what that really means is that if some authority was holding your phone up to your face you better close your eyes and look to the side yeah because if you don't they'll be able to not only get access to your phone but it's not protected by the Constitution so by law so I think it really brings up some really interesting things I really feel like there is going to be a certain part of the population that will refuse to get a face scanning iPhone for now because of those protections and trust me there will be cases that end up happening that all this specific face scanning recognition and what is now legal or allowed under law moving forward there's gonna be something that happens within the year there's this yeah I remember the San Bernardino terrorist attack that happen yes and they would Apple refused to unlock this phone for the FBI so I'm wondering I have now the government will have grounds and say well we have you know there's this isn't protected so you have to unlock right wondering I want yeah that's that's a big question it's really interesting yeah it's almost that's scary because it almost feels like it could be in more insecure than previous fun absolutely I agree with you man I'm totally there with you yeah okay well let's keep moving on while we chew on that in our brain here's someone who was disappointed by the event I was all together a bit disappointed by the event I didn't think that they showed enough of a real warrant for me to upgrade from a 7 to an 8 or even intend for that matter I just don't feel that Apple brought its a game like it previously did but I just haven't seen that last couple years where they're breaking boundaries they're just sort of kind of catching up or keeping up with the other technology companies but I just don't feel like they're really making a great leap forward or really innovating in a way that I know I have to go by it I just don't feel that as really yeah I've also there's been lots of reports of like smaller lines at the Apple stores for the phone today and stuff like that people aren't as excited I guess so yeah I mean I the thing is that all the pent-up demand is for the iPhone 10 I almost called it X I don't even care if I call it X 10 people just get over it yeah but um you know everyone's waiting for that but there's reports that there's even more delays in production and there are reports that they actually have not even started production on the iPhone X 10 yet whoa so honestly this thing is gonna be pretty hard to get I I think a lot of people are gonna be whether your pre-order or you are wait in line I think it's gonna be pretty dang tough to get this phone initially I don't think people are gonna be I don't think the demand is the supply is gonna catch up to the demand for at least six months I really feel that way they said there can only produce around 10,000 iPhones a day Apple typically sells something like around a million per day this is this is not gonna be easy this is not gonna be easy so for everyone that thinks it's just gonna be like people will now understand what I have been going through all my life trying to wake up at 8:00 in the morning 7:00 in the morning trying to get the latest Jordans or LeBrons or Kobe's they're gonna feel this just like the Nintendo people are feeling it now they're like what this doesn't make any sense you're gonna feel it now and I'm just gonna say welcome to my world I'm just gonna say it's just like Nintendo man with the NES classic and all that stuff it's just gonna turn well off welcome to my world just like you guys are just being crybabies now wait till it happens to entitled rich people that can't get an iPhone X on an online system there there will be hell to pay for the for those people they will not be able to handle it not be able to pull it fire and fury yeah okay we got three more calls listen it let's go through them get them out of here here we go hello this is John I'm calling from Washington DC here's my question I'm interested in the most recent version of the Apple watch and but I need to be accessible and when you guys discussed it recently you didn't indicate whether does it have voice over on it or any accessible capability so that someone with no vision can can enjoy it thank you right so John my man thanks so much for calling I actually did a little digging on Apple's website specifically with their accessibility features in regards to the Apple watch they do have a few really interesting features for visually impaired people they obviously have their voiceover system which is a carryover from what we've seen on their phone where you know it can read what's on screen but it also has this ability to through their taptic engine actually tell you the time through a discrete like you know tapping through your it that indicates our and minutes whether it's through Morse code or digits so it has that it also has the other visually impaired features like for font adjustment and zooming I don't know if this is exactly gonna serve you the way you want it's one of those things where I'm sure you'll have to go to store and kind of really check this out with someone to see what it can really do for you but they do have specific features for visually impaired people so I'm hoping that that at least is some sort of an answer that you at least know okay there is stuff there and it just comes down as seeing how it works for you so you know there you go that's a great answer Brian actually but it is worth mentioning what Scott said is it's hard to hear that thing if you're in shouted crowded place you know so totally not the point team in air pods in new year all the time you know what's going I like we did a skit and everyone was ripping on me like oh get those damn things out of your ears I'm like I wore them as a joke because they look so ridiculous right and you don't address them you just put them in your ears and you let people say what they want to say and it's hilarious the stuff that they say like they can they can't contain themselves they just can't yeah it's also worth mentioning that when Scott first joined our skype he was using air pots to talk to us and it sounded like crap it sounded like it and it's how I like dude just get rid of the just get rid of the air pods just talk through your computer and the mic sounded tense better so means Oh legit yeah they need a way better mic for that okay we got two calls left us do them hey Ashley from Iowa and once a guys always keep it very informative and awesome listen should want to wait for the new Apple TV to come out or would one be okay with giving me one than is currently available all right thanks we gotta show love some ladies Ashley thanks for calling I think we kind of answered some of that earlier in the show right yeah it depends on if you have a 4k TV if you care do you even which Apple TV do you have right now I think all of those will factor into it if you don't have an Apple TV I think you're still okay with getting the TV for Jen but if you don't have an Apple TV and you have a 4k TV just for purely future down the road stuff just get an Apple TV 4k because I think it's only like a thirty dollar difference between the two models too bad oh this is our last call and he just wanted to lodge a complaint he's uh you must remain anonymous hey Brian beating them viewers I have to be anonymous for this one because I'm complaining Apple increases the price of Apple Care Plus for iPhones by twenty dollars and the iPhone 10 buy another $50 and they increase the price of the 256 gig and 512 gig iPad pro configurations by $50 today the only reason being it made sense in their lineup so I you know what I think that you should at least give us your first name it's not like we're gonna track you down Apple is not gonna come after you man thing like I mean they may not they might ban you from there a whole ecosystem but you know they might not invite you to the keynotes anymore I mean it is people started like picking up on that and they like like the fact that we get we're not invited cuz it's like yes like it's almost like they like that would like yeah dude that's a badge of honor Brian I agree I think you know they don't want you there because you're not good you're gonna tell the truth yeah it's like what's I praise them I also criticized the problem here you know anyways I did want to address the fact that we didn't talk about last week cuz there's been it's hard when there's so much stuff like big high-level stuff coming out that we don't get to talk about all the nitty gritty all the time but in fact the collar a mr. anonymous was right right Apple increased the prices of certain iPad pros because according to them in the industry there's a rising cost for NAND flash is becoming more scarce as of late it happens especially when you quite honestly Apple might be to blame for the reason why the iPad pros have increased in price because Apple is sucking up all that as as Samsung and Google right when it's primetime for their photos they're sucking up all of the available RAM a flash memory sorry the NAND flash memory and so it becomes scarce it increases prices I honestly think that's a direct result of the new phones so make sense they're indirectly increasing the price of their products yo I'm just glad I got an iPad pro when it came out cuz I'd have to pay 50 bucks more I'm not even trippin I think that's that's one of the benefits of being an early adopter the only time where I could say it totally paid off that's the only time so there you go man that's it what a show bro yeah this is like marathon out 20 or something I don't know we've been going ok so again everyone thanks so much for listening hanging out with us you can call us be a part of our show we took so many calls as we we just wanted to represent 1-866 268 that's how you get on the show Beach thanks for hanging out with us buddy that's always a pleasure man have a good weekend okay take care Issei peace