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may the force be with you it's the Apple byte extra crunchy podcast with your host mr. Brian Tong oh man why you gotta get old Star Wars Jedi honest like that man Star Wars day baby I don't I let you say it but I refuse to say it because come on is a little played out oh no my phone just fell what's up everybody welcome to the show it's Apple white extra crunchy we like to go extra munch here this is an in-depth show that kind of complements our video podcast our weekly show but more extended in-depth conversation it's also a live stream for those who are listening after the fact so you know we kind of have the audience participate that can sometimes chime in and help us with the show as well but again episode 83 this show is all about you all so we want you to call us we got how many calls do we get this week a lot we always get a lot okay like 17 and we Whittle it down to like four was it one guy called like 10 times though there was one dude that was being a total D a big so call us at 1-866-376-8255 cook had some fun things to say and he went asked like ah there's kinda like a slowdown in China with iPhone sales what's going on Tim Cook responded with saying that Apple was seen a pause in purchase of the iPhone and he attributed it to earlier and much more frequent frequent reports about future iPhones I don't know a show that does that Beach do you people hear everyone's what every Apple fan is watching this show right now and saying I'm gonna wait I'm gonna wait so separately they're waiting no I think typically there's like a stupid iPhone rumor like a week after the actual phone comes out oh yeah yeah the seven came out and like literally within a month there was some rumor about the iPhone eight we're like what and it's so embarrassing guess what we're talking about it so he's just basically saying look all this hype all these news and rumors sites I for the record the Apple byte has been around for I don't know how long I think we're out we're up to the actual video show is around four hundred and thirty some episodes already dude are you that are you at ten years or when did you start here like 2011 I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't know but if you sit in close because if 52 weeks in a year right yeah so we're almost at nine years for that show oh that's awesome man nine years of rumors that's pot have people pause their purchasing decisions so anyways that was one of the kind of nuggets Tim comes like come on come on like dude you guys are killing us but also Tim Cook said that demand now they kind of broke down the iPhone sales we'll talk about the numbers in a second but another thing that Tim Cook wanted to address in relationship the iPhone was that demand was stronger towards the iPhone 7 plus then Apple expected most analysts kind of pointed it out because they were more backordered right this is the phone that has the portrait mode slash bouquet super stylish DSLR effect and I'm telling you as long as they put that effect in the iPhone 8 or the iPhone X or the iPhone future because that's what we call it here I know I've been religiously against a big screen phone that doesn't fit in my pants but damn and it's not because I were children size pants just you know but the thing like beach like have you seen that portrait effect it is so good it works like 90 percent of the time yeah the cameras are awesome and the video camera is awesome too and Vanessa hand or Rihanna did a really cool video you know showcasing the camera that like really shows off the iPhone the iPhone 7 plus is camera abilities I recommend checking that out but um but yeah I mean everyone wants a really great camera and if you can get into the phone then why not yeah one of a one of the people in the periscope their names kind of disappeared because it moves so fast the same or more people are keeping their current iPhone because of the minimal improvements and I would agree to a certain extent but I think everyone is just waiting for a phone more more often than not they're waiting for a new form factor that's even if it did one more thing when the iPhone 7 came out it was basically the same as the 6s design people were like ah I'm good I'll wait you have a lot of people to have an iPhone 6 that are on a two-year upgrade cycle if it was hot enough they would have upgraded but they didn't so this iPhone 8 is is the one this is their 10th anniversary phone we've heard so much about it people keep on asking us like Oh what will it be like we know about the design it's gonna really try and be a fool just single piece of glass curved on the edges very similar to the Samsung Galaxy s8 which is beautiful all these kind of diagrams and kind of early schematics are showing the camera now resting like still on the side on the back but vertically there'll be a flash on the bottom and then there's rumors of whether there'll be the touch ID on the back of the panel or not but you know speed design I think the biggest thing that might feel like it's holding it back and I really hope we see some major improvements and I'm kind of glad that Apple is very hush-hush we haven't seen any leases will iOS 11 be that much different you know like what what what can they do to me that compelling as well in addition to a whole new form factor yeah how could they make it how can they improve it make it different I mean we're all used to what it looks like we've had it all for so many years now like I don't know what they would do like I can't like really conceive it but um there definitely needs to be some sort of change and I know when that change comes everyone's going to freak out because change freaks people out what happens I also think you know in addition to just changing it or not you've got to you know do just just bring new features that actually stand out because I was always a fan I didn't actually there's some years where I don't really care about the iPhone Hardware more than I cared about the actual operating system right yeah yeah sure so so that's so those are going to be key now let's let's kind of go back a little bit and get into get into some of this nitty-gritty of how Apple's earnings performed and as some of these numbers there'll be a lot of numbers that I throw out to you but we'll kind of break it down of what's important so for the quarter Apple compares their earnings from a year ago for those people who are like well what does this mean so for the this is the second fiscal quarter of 2017 which really represents the first calendar year quarter of 2017 but when you're talking fiscally it's the second one so for the quarter Apple posted a revenue of 52 point nine billion dollars a net quarterly profit of eleven billion dollars now that was the overall revenue what's higher as well as the overall profit was higher so that's good slightly so Apple is actually outperformed from a revenue standpoint from money making compared to last year at the same quarter now here's where things kind of get a little different the iPhone specifically Apple sold 50 point eight million iPhones during the quarter that's down from 51 point 1 million a year earlier but then the other on the flip side of this Apple's actual profit iPhone profits were higher they generated more revenue for iPhones and what was really behind that is that the overall average selling price across all models of the iPhone went up from 640 two dollars a year ago - six hundred and fifty five dollars so what is that offensive yes the phone is bumped up in price and what can that be directly attributed to that is really more directly attributed to the fact that the iPhone 7 plus which had such high demand is also the most expensive phone it's well more than six hundred fifty five dollars you can even if you really maxed out it to a 256 gigs of storage the iPhone 7 plus would be nine hundred and sixty nine US dollars damn so when they talk about a 1,000 dollar phone Apple's not afraid of a 1,000 dollar phone coming up and I don't have Lena and everything I've heard from users they're not afraid of the 1,000 dollar phone either they're like whatever I'll put it on a 16 month plan or however it breaks down month by month payments they don't care so my there goes your thousand dollar phone I'm just kidding that's that's crazy I mean Apple loyalists are loyal and they're gonna pay top dollar for the best phone that they can get so yeah not in that kind of wild that is wild yeah so you have so you have this decline in Apple unit sold but an increase in revenue from that category now if we talk about some of the other results from the quarterly earnings Mac unit sales rose slightly from four going to 4.2 million units sold this quarter compared to 4.0 three million a year ago and then the iPads my iPads dog continued to decline they dropped to eight point nine two million units compared to ten point two five a year ago that's a lot data so that's like another another 10% drop roughly but what does that mean this would mark this would mark the thirteenth quarter in a row where iPad sales have declined meaning iPad sales have declined for over three straight years hmm that's that's interesting I wonder what how could they what could they do to to fix that to get to get it going back up again like I don't understand what they could do really because I feel like everyone already has I pad you know well that's the one thing they'll do the one thing that they they won't do the one thing that they should do they should change the OS so it's a more multifunctional device right that would make it compelling but it's like we're still getting iOS that just happens to be able to use a pencil with with drawing apps I know there's there's people that use that pencil I don't I don't see it in the wild quite honestly we talked about an amazing artist Rob's illah a few weeks ago who uses the iPad for some killer NBA art and he's any doesn't professionally but I don't even see people using it casually we talked about like this Marvel app yesterday where you can you know do adult coloring books which is just means grown-ups coloring not naughty cut naughty naughty coloring books but they if they're just if they're just sitting on their butts and say oh we're gonna put a true tone display on the 12.9 inch we have a new form factor but it's still basically running the same OS that that's still not compelling yeah I mean I've said this a hundred times on this show but my three my third generation is still fine I don't have any reason to upgrade it still runs down so you're one of those well and they did they make them too good so um overall earnings I mean apples in a great position again they're still sitting on over 250 billion dollars in cash though you know you would you think maybe they'd do something about that uh one recently I think was just yesterday actually Tim Cook was was interviewed on MSNBC he did the sit-down with the Jim Cramer right the Moneyball guy Mad Money sorry what I say Moneyball I meant Mad Money you know what I'm talking about I mean I don't she's loading behind the scenes to get stock prices to rise up and down that guy Oh him yeah yeah yeah one yeah that night so during his interview on CNBC's Mad Money I'm like all mixed up my signals are all mixed up Tim Cook announced a new one billion dollar fund to invest in united states manufacturing jobs now Tim Cook announced that this he announced this during the show he teased that we're gonna hear more about it later this month it's it will be kind of in partnership with the company but the whole premise is that they want promote advanced manufacturing jobs in the United States they've already chosen the company which they will invest in to do this they won't announce it until later date this month according to cook but cook said by investing 1 billion dollars in this advanced manufacturing apple can create a ripple in the pond and promote job creation advanced manufacturing jobs are in high demand in the US so Apple hopes to be a part of that that'll make apple honestly look really good too you know just through a medical tree yeah creating jobs so America have they have they said exactly what they will be manufacturing or is it just I mean it doesn't even necessarily it couldn't be an iPhone it could be something else you know it could be it could be parts or components for even a different um you know something that may not be let's say based on costs right this is all going to be dictated by costs we know that they at least assemble the imax in the US right so and and Mac Pro's I believe like they say like not only designed in California they say like made in California for a few of their products so it it'll be interesting to see what pieces of the puzzle are actually going to be like a manufactured here yeah you know what look how happy Tim Cook looks to spend a billion dollars he's like yeah we're gonna spend a million dollars yeah and that's what just one billion off the 250 there sitting on right yeah they have more money than I think more money than is generated by several fortune 500 companies that they're just that there's just like in a bank overseas just hanging out there and when if they're going to implement the renewable initiative that they have in this factory where you know they're going to be taking apart iPhones and using those parts to build new iPhones and new products and stuff eventually they're going for a completely you know no waste all renewable a production scheme you know production plan I'm wondering it yeah this is going to be part of that because that would be amazing yeah it would be amazing I mean they've tried to really be a super green company as well with solar power that you know pumped into I think someone's even used basically for our stores right they have like a solar farm so there they're doing good things in that space and they like to promote I think on their YouTube page they have like a bunch of you know how they're being environmentally conscious so I am I'm a hundred percent all for that um so we have imagined their profit margins once that is a hundred percent renewable imagine their profit margins will be 100 percent basically right even even there's a even a policy where they want to melt like a lot of the parts and components of returned products from Apple they don't want them to be kind of like reused and resold on the market they want to smelt them down yeah just melt them so use them exactly so you know they can do that as well um I thought this was kind of funny in addition to talking about a billion dollars being invested for American jobs specifically for advanced manufacturing Tim Cook also talked about the Apple watch and in the interview he said that the Apple watch helped him lose thirty pounds oh wow but here's the thing okay I'll let me let me let me like kind of turn around is not that's a lot of that's a lot that's okay that's pretty good but I'm looking at every keynote that Tim Cook has been he hasn't lost thirty pounds from the first keynote like I'm sorry unless you unless like he got junk in the trunk that we don't know about like he looks pretty similar in fact there was like a Kino like I even remembered you some of our staff at C net you know notice that they thought he had like a little tummy like they actually were like oh it looks like he's been putting on some weight or something and I'm like okay but now it makes me laugh because he he talks about this in the interview he said he's lost thirty pounds partly to my watch so let's ignore the diet change and maybe the professional trainer that he had to go to every day let's let's pretend that didn't happen right yeah but you know he was time out the fitness highlights and the features of the Apple watch and how it helped him and how he's getting he also said and this is a quote from him this makes a difference over time I'm getting calls and letters from so many people where the watch has made a difference in their life and this is why we are in business I'm just saying um 30 pounds I don't I haven't I don't see that you would notice if you wouldn't you have don't you think you would have said to yourself when you saw Aquino like wow Tim Cook looks like he's lost a lot of weight yeah definitely definitely you would definitely notice but they'd in their defense they do where the Apple uniform which is all black and that kind of hides things you know when they're on stage so maybe he had some junk in the trunk and it's gone now but it's hard to say it would be a great video though if we did that if we like did a comparison video of his life his weight loss or something I mean maybe he like lost five and then put five back on and then like lost two and put three limy maybe say like over time I don't know I'm 30 30 pounds of significant man you would generally see it maybe that is like never drop little maybe he was like um like all muscular underneath and then he lost all the muscle I don't know this is again again I I don't I have a hard time believing that but I'm gonna believe it because it's a direct quote now during this also on the earnings when we talk about specifically the Apple watch they say that Apple watch sales nearly doubled on a year-over-year basis Apple is yet to actually again officially give us the sales data for the Apple watch but it does say it's wearables business which they bundle this together the Apple watch air pods and Beats headphones um you combine those three groups was the size of a fortune 500 company damn just those three products that's crazy yeah and if you look at a even kind of took a peek if you look at um kind of some of the fortune 500 companies on the lower end like let's say around $4.99 or you know 500 501 or so they're generating about 55 point 1 billion dollars so um you know that's it's impressive those 3 product categories alone that's kind of crazy when you think about it but shows the power of the Apple marketing machine right yeah definitely that's very impressive a lot you know they bundled in the air pods in that which again for the record I know I pooped on them because of how they look before I even try them I still poop on them of how they look when I try them but I think they're really really really good um they're really good ear but just the way that you use them I just it's just really weird every time I see someone with them on the street which I'm starting to see a little more here there it just looks bad yeah like heavy it just still looks bad I have seen it is definitely six out you're like oh that guy's got some on but um maybe that's part of it right maybe it's just kind of like a you know like a I guess not a shock factor but just like you notice you know you you know it's like when the iPhone first came out and everyone had the white earbuds like yeah yeah you saw someone walking down the street with white you immediately knew like oh that that person has an iPhone you immediately knew it is like kind of an iconic thing and now the air pods are kind of doing the same thing so you know it's interesting yeah it's true I mean look Diego Diego says super ugly and dorky and he might be right Diego Diego you might be right double Diego says it man it's gotta be trouble double D so Apple's air pods check this out this is a survey conducted by Experian and creative strategies they've done kind of customer customer satisfaction surveys when new products from Apple launched Apple launches creative strategies say the air pods set the record for the highest level of customer satisfaction for a new product from Apple ever okay way so this is not this is another company doing this because I remember Apple said the I haven't had a hundred percent customer satisfaction do you remember that Brian yes I do hundred percent what's it wait what's it or was it was they said Apple watched it I think there's something ridiculous yeah I forget was the Apple either the Apple watch er the iPhone 6 or something like that but it's kind of like a reach or like come on man yeah and you read made a cool video are you when to asked 100 people oh sure yeah if you know what it was it was a hundred people love their iPhone but it was I think we had something like high 80s yeah yeah it was like something like it 80 out of 100 people so yeah I love my iPhone it's like fine so 98% is that satisfies doable yeah that seems pause that slowly and I like I said I think the air pods are really really good product I think Gentoo is gonna be amazing if they do what I told them with some of my suggestions about putting you know multi-touch controls on it and blah blah blah I don't have to go through that all over again but anyways um the so here's the survey itself ninety was it where's the worst the breakdowns is okay here we go so in the breakdown they pulled 942 owners of air pods 82% said they were very satisfied while 16% said they were just satisfied for an overall customer satisfaction score of 98 percent wow that's pretty good man I'm looking at the breakdown here this the different satisfaction you know portions of that so time it takes to charge the iPods was the highest so people are stoked that it's that you can charge them really fast design was at 97% bluetooth pairing process see bluetooth pairing process should be 100% that is that's awesome battery life is 95% comfort comfort it come on 95% I think everyone's already used to him because we've already had the air pod so secure fit in ears I don't know about this 93 percent I have yet to test that but we will see I'll use my nap des has all that your wax in it man I'll let you try it out cool so anyways we got that I I did want to follow up with an email of the week this comes to this they emailed us directly at the Apple buy to cnet.com but this here's it here it goes from Curt ear neon hey Brian today I witnessed the baddest of bad apples in a mall two friends sharing one instead of air pods shopping around with one ear bud each stop almost as bad as an iPad and a camera that's great so that that's going to be like the future like you know kids who are in love like the the boy the boy who has a crush on the girl gives her one of his air pods and then they're sharing the music together that's going to be the future of relationships I feel is that what they're calling it these days I just when you were talking about that I just started thinking about that like that that could be a cute thing that kids do at school now oh you wanna make them make the next vomit-inducing yeah I'll just look it up the past when we see that commercial brand we're gonna have to sue Apple and say hey we had that idea you crazy just just play it with like Louis Armstrong's like what a wonderful world like that teens gazing at each other butterflies in the air like Solar lens raffle you know lens reflections and all that crap so uh that's beautiful all going going through this I'm gonna skip one of the stories but I did want to jump to the merriam-webster Story Beach let's do some some business real quick that we but yeah what's oh yeah you oh yeah I forgot about it a little bit let's do it go ahead we were supposed to read this in the mail of the show because it's called well this is the middle of the show this is actually penny yeah this is a middle the show so you want to start you want me to start yeah I'm gonna try oh my god all right this episode is brought to you by jamp now when you start your first business it's pretty easy to keep track of your own computer and phone but as you grow you start to buy more tech for your employees and guess what y'all it gets harder to keep track of everyone's Macs and iPhones and iPads and you want to make sure you know what they're looking at what they're doing with them now thankfully Jeff now JAMF lets you manage your Apple devices from anywhere maybe you need to secure the iPad that your sales report lost while you're in two different locations well champ now makes that 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word that was added to their dictionary that word my friends is a sheeple beautiful that's horrible sheeple is now in the dictionary so um Beechum if you go to the link people can also see this definition here is the definition according to merriam-webster it's people who are docile compliant or easily influenced people likened to sheep now they also use sentences as examples but oh my gosh they just they updated the site did they bro I'm trying to open it I eat it the site not opening for me so maybe they're updating it right now no no I'm telling you right now they but I could lucky for me I actually saved what they actually said in the site okay all right so this they used some kind of like sentences to use as context and this is what they used as one of them apples debuted a battery case for the juice sucking iPhone an ungainly lumpy case the sheeple will happily shell out $99 for Wow they used that was in there below that other sentence or maybe they maybe they change him over time but that was officially in there for at least the past a week that's funny man they're going in you know merriam-webster dictionary has been trolling pretty big time on Twitter seriously couple years yeah they're trolling like you know many times some government official says something weird they'll like put the actual definition of the word out you know so maybe they're still trolling they're trolling Apple fans now it's funny okay well it clearly got through to us I mean it's in our show so they did their thing they did their job it a good job great job merriam-webster alright great job Miriam alright should we get to the calls let's do the calls okay we got a bunch of good calls from you guys this week thank you very much and here's the first one oh wait let me stop the music here we go hey guys this is Brent in Bethlehem PA love the show um wanted to talk a little bit about iOS 11 coming out I feel like we've had the same kind of design for eight years I'm now seeing my boy Johnny merriam-webster website really start up our phone call yeah they're autoplay everybody it's a thing hey guys uh Brent in Bethel on PA love the show um wanted to talk a little bit about iOS 11 coming out I feel like we've had the same kind of design for a very long time part of me loves the way it's been forever and another part of me kind of wants a whole redesign just want to know what your thoughts are on that love the show right iOS 11 you know I think look I think sometimes there's maybe a little bit of desire to want something new but the fact is that most people like I like when people say I want something new I like to hear suggestions right because I think that means you're more proactive out you're trying to say like you know what I don't like this but here's an idea instead of just saying give me something new so I don't I don't know if they have to really do much like I said earlier with iOS I think it's more about adding more features that we actually care about and can use maybe surprising us with a couple features and then really to me the best place iOS can grow is on the iPad platform to really make it different we'll see what type of features are gonna be added specifically to this 10th anniversary iPhone but they don't have to like completely you know revamp it or overhaul it I really don't think they need to I think what the latest look and feel of iOS has been out for a year and a half or two maybe I could be wrong I mean it all goes by in a blur now so I'm not I'm not too worried about them having to change it they kind of went for the the flat look but it's flattish with gradients and kind of different tones I do in a weird way although it may not feel as warm I do like pure Google Android's like really clean flatness but it just wouldn't match on an Apple device so you know we want the rounded corners you're gonna get the rounded corners you want the rounded like corner app tiles you're gonna get that type of stuff I think it's fine it's they don't really need to do too much for it for me I'm just give me more features yeah yeah I'm a big fan of drop shadows maybe some drop shadows I'm just kidding well a little drop a drop okay next call Brian my name is Adam love your show wanted to see if you could do some kind of review if you haven't already on the Apple TV for don't like that when I'm watching TV on the couch and watching your videos or some of the others on the Apple TV version for I cannot a like or subscribe to anything I have to use my iPad or iPhone to do so and I don't always so if you could ask Apple to an aversion 5 allow us to do that again as we used to with version 3 thanks a bunch love your show thanks man oh I said you know if he's if he's doing what I think I'm doing and watching us through YouTube it must through the Apple TV that sounds more like a youtube app issue more than anything else but if I'm mistaken I'm still happy that he just wants to watch our videos to like them and subscribe to him yeah please do yeah you know YouTube is very when they do redesigns they kind of go break a lot of stuff you know about that more than anyone else yeah I help manage the scene at YouTube channel and it's a nightmare because they change stuff and then it breaks a lot of stuff in the background and a lot of times when they do an update it'll break things like that that go other places like Apple TV and Roku whatever and also YouTube like if someone shares a video on YouTube there still isn't a button that says watching the YouTube app like every other app that we have like they just don't they don't care you know what I mean so you know I'm sorry that you're having that issue but you're probably just gonna have to wait till someone at YouTube figures that out and then fixes it I feel it's weird because the way that YouTube approaches it is they know they have this massive audience but I feel like they act like they're always in beta like the way that they handle features rolling out let's try this oh wait we're actually not going to do this what we told you we're gonna do whatever you know like playlist channels blah blah blah like it constantly changes and their algorithm changes as well and now for people that don't know I mean they've talked a lot about how the way that advertisers and how YouTube content creators are getting paid is also changed as well so it it's constantly in flux D monetization is a big issue right now for everybody on YouTube who does gaming like if you have a video game if you put a video game a video up on YouTube where someone's like cutting someone's head off or shooting someone they're going to demonetized that video now like seeing that actually had a video demonetized because we did a video about the iPad bomb plot that happened recently you know how there was like the people taking it on flights yeah yeah they barred people from taking iPads on flights because they were afraid that you could put a bomb in it well YouTube D monetize that video because they felt that it was met that you know as part of that group of things that was promoting violence or not not promoting violence but just was talking about violent you know or bombs on airplanes they do monetize that and you know they're kind of doing that with a lot of stuff so yeah I mean they're constantly changing and it's hard to keep up even they're going to change the whole look of YouTube right now like everything's going to change in the next couple weeks so just going to give everyone a warning about that okay but yeah so that's that's that's my take on that okay next call hey what's up this is Andrew in DC I'm currently using a 2011 MacBook Pro and really excited that Apple's making all those productivity apps like pages and pages and number three but Apple is making it so you have to upgrade to your latest software you all think I should upgrade or do you think the newest Mac oh Sierra would crash my computer let me know if you'll think and love the podcast guys thanks Steve thanks Brian thanks for callin man so we did it you know we did still a little homework it's just to see because I know it's not going to crash a computer um but you can actually go to Apple's website or even just type in like Mac Oh Sierra hardware requirements there's this crazy tool I found on the internet called Google help me help me do that so I'm just messing with you so the the Mac hardware requirements hardware requirements um it does support your MacBook Pro any MacBook Pro that's a mid 2010 or newer can run Mac OS Sierra but there's also some people write how Mac OS Sierra or Mac OCR see we we all start talking like they even talked to like Mac o Sierra Michaels Michaels Michaels it some people complain maybe it might it might be a little laggy not buggy per se but just might be a little slower not as snappy but again I'm not in your exact situation I don't think there's a problem where it's not compatible it's gonna completely destroy your machine and you know quite honestly with the apps that you're trying to run if you're running pages or keynote keynote is honestly more intensive than pages but they're not the most you know graphics intensive apps you know are you're not talking about Photoshop or dear Lord if you use Final Cut Pro or anything like that so I think that you'd be alright honestly but again I can't 100% say because I don't have it you know I think my parents have a 2011 one actually quite honestly yeah I would be careful though because I should say that um third-party apps might not work in the new version like I updated my work computer to MCOs Sierra recently and then like this facility for that we that we all use to like share files stopped working and I had to we had to go do a bunch of work to get it to work so there might be some third-party stuff that doesn't work for you after that but overall it's pretty cool but it will like default to put all this stuff and you're in the dock below so then you have to like go and remove a bunch of crap which is annoying but that's my only gripe really the other thing is also the size of the actual operating system has been compressed down and optimized so much over time so it's actually gonna open up it's gonna free up storage space on your hard drive which i think is always a good thing oh yeah that's always been kind of one of the pluses of upgrading your operating system so yeah there you go it takes like 30 minutes or so it's kind of a more longer depending on the speed of your machine yeah yeah but uh you know whatever cool I think that's it BT is that is that it I think we've handled everything we needed to handle all right we're gonna roll out so thanks again to jam comm again that's Jam comm slash crunchy to set up your three devices if you're a company that's growing to keep track your computer and phone we're gonna be out of here we will be back next week same bat-channel same bat-time I think oh yeah here let me put the phone number up 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