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on today's show we look at the Intel daiquiri smart helmet which is pretty amazing we're also talking to the CEO of two bit circus Brent Bushnell guys we're here it's Las Vegas this is CES 2016 and this is tomorrow daily greetings citizen to the internet you can clap it's cool we should clap let's get excited nothing like begging for applause show you know what I have no shame and I will beg for that applause welcome to tomorrow daily the best geek talk show in the known universe I am Ashley sceva and i'm jeff cannata and this is my first CES Ashley this is I'm so excited for you because there are so many great things at CES this must be like Candyland for you it's a bit overwhelming I have to say but I have seen the televisions and they are glorious I have experienced the the VR and it is a magnificent we've met the robots I have touched the cars I I it's all happening it's all happening I mean I saw an amazing XO skeleton that simulates aging it's over here in south hall it's unbelievable people put on an exoskeleton that limits their mobility and then also limits their hearing in their site with a headset it's pretty amazing stuff but just being on the show floor at CES simulated aging yeah that too no it actually it just ages you just I went grey look at the show went so show is so hard I went grey okay so let's get to first things first we have a very special demo guest to come out and talk about one of the products that we were pretty excited to see if the show is pretty interesting this is the daiquiri smart helmet it was at the Intel keynote there's a lot of interesting things happening with that so we are we are welcoming to the stage are our good friend our good friend from Intel hello how are you uh ya know Prince Prince second half or a second half okay so let's bring out the helmet and take a look um and we can we can show it and you can talk a little too what exactly it is and this is something that actually unlike a lot of things at CES you can buy right now exactly yeah as of yesterday available and shipping it's also a little bit different in that it's designed for an industrial use case and it's also not trying to be both industrial and consumer at the same time really takes the considerations of an industrial environment and an enterprise setting into consideration but provides that immersive wearable experience that everyone is looking for so oh go ahead so this is actually a a piece of safety equipment as well as a piece of technology yep exactly yeah provides safety both physically but also the digital content make sure that you're doing the right thing that you're in the right place you know and that you're safe by virtue of doing that and you can take it out of the doctor right and mostly it's control at AR is the the main augmented reality is sort of the main feature of this and is this running on the new platform to Curie platform not in the Curie it's on the intel core m 7 so it's you know pretty heavy-duty architecture and really that horsepower is what's necessary for that industrial use case and also to drive the complex sensor package that allows us to understand what it's seeing so the intel realsense camera actually was a perfect fit for us as well because it had depth sensing had you know high quality capture of that data that drives the overall system so we're seeing some video now of what it might be like for somebody wearing the helmet so you're saying we're on a work site where you know we're safe because we have the helmet on but we're also seeing augmented reality information that's telling us what maybe needs to be worked on is it architectural perhaps we're seeing the idea of stuff that's not there yet but that will be there as we build it it can be that way it can also be maintenance procedures it can be you know electrical mechanical and really even multiple people can see different things while looking at the same environment so depending on your skill set and the things that need to be addressed in that particular situation it's going to serve up the most contextually relevant pieces of information and at the point of views and without taking up your hands which is really critical because they've had a lot of this technology for quite a while but it's always kind of taken up one or both of their hands do you think this is something because for me I'm looking at this and as you said in the workplace kind of frees up your hands do you think this is something that may be astronauts could use in the future because that's obviously a thing that they are trying to sort of work out with robots that help free up their hands and free up things for them to do is this something that you could potentially see maybe someday in the future embedded into astronaut helmets absolutely I can't give a ton of information about it but I can say we've had a number of really interesting conversations and our working on interesting projects that are very close to that sort of use case as a are sort of catches on and becomes more mainstream and people understand the capabilities of it do you think that integrating it into the workplace first is actually a strategy to make it seem more commonplace absolutely i think you know people's work is becoming more and more of a centerpiece within their lives and they contextualized who they are and what they're able to do based on what it is they do for work and so the helmet really gives you capabilities and abilities that you didn't have prior to that point and I'm positive that people will take this and bridge that gap into their everyday lives into the consumer space and it's you know really got a ton of horsepower for those sorts of applications as well now did you start developing this in conjunction with Intel or did you start on it and then Intel you kind of worked with Intel after you had worked on it a little bit prior to working with Intel we had documented a lot of the kind of environmental requirements and system requirements that would be necessary to pull off a truly industrial enterprise class device and that was when you know we went out and looked at what architectures would support that kind of you know use case instead of needs and Intel really you know met that perfectly when we looked at all of those needs and the fact that Intel already has such a substantial base within the enterprise so the systems integration challenges become a lot easier when you've got similar architecture on both ends so are you envisioning this like a foreman sitting in a control room at some point and having an entire team of guys wearing these that are all networked together and so he's sending information to different groups and different crews and able to sort of orchestrate what needs to be done and show visually in the heads-up display you've just described our remote expert application where one foreman can then reach out to dozens of helmets and otherwise that Foreman would have needed to go out to each of those job sites and and would have had to perform those operations himself or herself and and assist the people on the ground now they can tell a straight kind of John Madden style for that worker exactly where that next step is or you know other things to check to resolve a deficiency or take care of an issue so cool is there can you explain some of the considerations with that look of it is it looks very futuristic as well was that it was a design aesthetic something that you were concerned about being you know accepted onto a workplace the thing that people forget about wearables a lot of the time is it has to be something you actually want to wear and something that fits in the context of where you're going to wear it you know if it seems unnatural for that place or that time or that social context you're not going to pick it up even if it gives you additional capabilities so here I think we we've got a really nice balance or marriage between something that is clearly a tool it's not a toy it's something that fits into the workplace and sits alongside other tools it's not it's not till I cuz like I kind of want it to be a toy okay construction person this would be a really fun toy but also a useful toy yeah yeah but a lot of tools are toys yeah that's very true that's very true um thank you so much for talking to us about that I this is really exciting and and as we mentioned this is something that is available now I so unlike a lot of things you see at CES that sometimes never even make it to market this is available the daiquiri da qri smart helmet and and powered by Intel so thank you so much and we appreciate it huh thank you so much for having me by yeah appreciate it thank you thank you all right Jeff well while we say goodbye to this they decorate smart helmet we have to we gotta talk about VR okay I'm having such favorite thing I spent seven hundred dollars on it this morning I'm having some pains I'm having some pains about the price of the oculus rift and I wanted to talk that out with you because you you bought one u.s. reordered i SAT there this morning in my hotel room here in Las Vegas and I clicked and clicked and clicked and was told sitedown site down site down and I finally got in and got one pre-ordered I did have a little sticker shock and I think my wife if she's watching this is gonna have even more sticker shock go home and you have to explain i accidentally pre-ordered i accidentally fell onto my keyboard and pre-ordered an oculus rift this morning uh so five shows 699 is a price that are 599 fact it's about seven hundred dollars after tax and shipping right now so 599 is a little bit of a high price I think a lot of people online we're talking about how they were hoping that that price would also include the touch controllers right which it does not and so virtual reality this is kind of a this is kind of a big moment the pre-order of oculus rift because this is now the first official available for order fully functional VR headset that you do not need a phone to put into yeah I mean I think that the the gear VR is an excellent entry level thing I think it's going to convince people that the technology is real and it's really immersive and really interesting I'm hoping that for that premium price we really get a premium product I'm certainly hoping that a premium product arrives at my doorstep because that the thing that I think oculus understands and certainly I understand is that if people don't have an evolutionary experience the first time they try VR it's going to be dead in the water and I don't want that to have the price point means it's only going to be the most enthusiastic early adopters and so when you have an early adopter who's even slightly disappointed about a product that they invested quite a lot of time and energy and money into that's when you run into problems so I I really agree with you and I don't think it just has to be super polished on the hardware side it also has to be so good on this on the software's and compelling software titles and compelling gaming experiences I mean another beyond VR there should be things beyond gaming that I feel should be available at launch yeah April April is coming out so you got a few months to wait I i I've definitely seen a bunch of other VR headsets here on the show floor and everybody is gleefully saying things like half the price of oculus yeah this and I just was a big deal i hope that that these other headsets aren't half the quality of all oculus as well I really hope that this this premium price really results in a premium product and it can convince people that it's it's worth the money I hope it's worth my money I hope your money or my money to it the vibe on the other hand is saying we are a premium product and we're probably gonna be you know they kind of insinuated they'd come out of the gate more expensive than oculus well you got to figure the oculus is coming with a xbox one controller a a wireless adapter but it's not coming with those touch controllers and the vibe also supposedly will have the you know the room sensors and the touch controllers it's going to be a more expensive product I'm a little scared of what that might run people you guys have got to get your wallets ready because the virtual reality revolution is coming and it cheap it is not going to be cheap but we are going to take a very quick break and then we're going to come back with the CEO of two bit circus Brent Bushnell is going to join us and we are excited to talk to him about making events that are sort of at the intersection of Technology spectacle and and the future so stick around we'll be right back tomorrow daily welcome back to the show we have returned we haven't we have a new guest yes you guess red bush mail from a two bit circus which is a really fascinating company tell me a little bit about what you guys do we're literally a high-tech circus so we replace we basically use lasers fire and robots to make new styles of entertainment are you hiring we always job we are looking for nerds everywhere we can find them yeah all right so show but I I mean I'm just saying like just in case you need a you talk show about events we could do it we wanted where you're trying to create experiences using technology that are more interesting more exciting exactly well you know tech has gotten so awesome computer vision cheap sensors all this fun stuff we basically said what kind of new ways can we play given all that entertainment so we spent a lot of time with virtual reality we run our own traveling carnival they use a bunch of high tech entertainment to get kids excited about science engineering so there's really sort of a lot of options here now speaking of the word carve a laser or you serve triggered my memory I believe on your website i read that you're CTO used to be in the circus in addition to being a genius roboticist it was a clown in a circus is an amazing fire dancer he even is a ranked Whistler exact same resume so weird there's no if there's just no space fellow agent I'm sorry Barry took a job I hope house you quickly here is a unicycle rising least you could play the cymbals yeah yeah so how do you find people to work at a company like this because obviously you are really at the intersection of spectacle technology and future tech and so how do you find people that are really kind of imaginative but also grounded in the way that you sort of need to build these installations that's a great question a lot of them actually find us you know it's sort of a random set of skills that would be electrical engineering unicycling and a you know whistling or not and so a lot of those folks will reach out and be like oh my god I did my thesis on circus but my backgrounds education and and so that's been really fun have a home these people they finally has amazing so tell me specifically some of the things you've done you have this traveling circus for example yeah that's geared at kids it's its focus to kids 8 to 14 but it's really fun for all I mean the kinds of games we've been making it we've brought to amazon's holiday party of all adults or Intel's conferences and so the entertainment really all ages but then we also pull back the curtain and show everybody how we made this stuff and one of the things it's so fun is all of this tech is easier than it's ever been you look at you know Intel's curry module and you know Scratch programming you know what used to take 20 lines of programming you can do on your iPad in pictures now and so there's really a lot of opportunity and we basically say hey you can do this too and if we do our job right will inspire a whole army of inventors it reminds me of that great quote that you know any sufficiently advanced form of technology is indistinguishable from magic you know it's that kind of idea is that making technology feel like magic to the end-user right absolutely so so here's a good example remember the old dunk tank where you throw a ball when you fall in water ours is the dunk tank flambe where you're literally immersed in a 10-foot fireball now that sort of feels like magic right parties that sounds like the scariest thing ever so the best part is you don't die you know the with the tech this amazing new text bodysuit you're able to literally withstand those flames and you're off and run out oh so it's not just an optical illusion you're actually dropping people into a fire bonfire but that feels like magic right yeah that definitely would seem like magic to me yes so are you guys actually inventing the things that you take with you on these uh these tours yeah so you know I mean it's sort of tough to say inventing what we will come up with with the games with the interactions we're gonna be leveraging lots of other people's tech robots and lasers and whatnot we've done some of the stuff we've done with VR you know Samsung's gear VR and then we sit you in a motion platform we built our own 360 camera and captured what it was like to be a racecar driver for the Indy 500 and so then you get to you know we assembled all of those pieces built all the content and then we take that on the road so you take it on the road in in the way of I mean how do people find like it do they have to be and privately invited to these events or is there an actual you know circus that people can go to just like the days of old where you could buy your ticket and get some peanut some popcorn nailed it there it is a physical event will be in this year Seattle Charlotte Dallas in Chicago starting in April and then the second half of the year were planning right now how many how big is the is the traveling company it is so our core team is 30 the event itself is massive it's about 120,000 square feet so think like two football fields so and helming out different attractions for lack of a better word we're probably up to about 50 now 50 or 60 and every that's everything from a drift trike race track using local motors verado you know i mean it's literally like a like a big kid big wheel but but with an electric motor in it so we have a whole drift trike race track and then rooms are laser beams walls of buttons all sorts of fun stuff I want to go to there due to I want to live there I heard a rumor that you are based in Los Angeles which means we could potentially tour your big top facility oh my god we would love it in fact our big tops of old power plants and if you know the term steam for science technology engineering art and math and so it's adding are 10x you often hear in a stem right but I think art is it at to fundamentally be creative and be as you know G what you can any other sciences you need art I think fundamentally you know engineering this kind of problem solving is fundamentally creative and we felt like the arts made it more accessible especially for kids who are not excited about science and engineering the arts make it fun and exciting and so it's sort of a fun way to lever what they love and then sort of deliver the learning sort of secretly yeah it starts like putting spinach and macaroni and cheese yeah the same time in the cupboard vitamin very nice here at CES are you wandering around and going all I could use that oh my gosh that's a really cool thing absolutely and in fact I'm desperate for a VR headset for out of home you know a lot of the VR headsets are consumer but you know you try to put i could sell yeah yeah i mean the daddy thing is gorgeous so so r you know looking for that you know it's fun to see a lot of the interactive devices you can now use to augment your VR experience so you're tracking your hands just saw the X immerse thing that allows you to just with a regular Samsung gear VR track your hands so that's really fun so trying always to find whatever sort of new things we can incorporate what is your what is your sort of ultimate wish I mean you guys are you guys dreaming of a hollow deck type of situation is that the end goal it's jeff ER c michael douglas in the game ok so we you know that you are not controlling a video game with your thumbs and that he was the character in the game you know we want that kind of total immersion so you know we love VR wheel of a are we you know our sort of final place is is that kind of entertainment for everybody you know short of bearing you live in mexico right sounds pretty traumatic yeah it's called fear factor so what is what would you say is your favorite installation that two bit circus has built uh man probably hard to choose a favorite cuz they're all like your children yeah that's a good question I I gotta say that dunk tank that fireball dunk tank is wonderful i love rag yeah i'm dying to try this ashley that's good i want to be submersed in fire yeah i just want to be dropped into I know I don't I you know what I'll do I'll throw the ball drop right in there and then I'll wave and be like oh my gosh looks like you're on fire and then and that you can jump out and be like I'm not sorry fine my mom refused to throw the ball she was like no way not gonna hurt her yeah this is good mom be like give me more can I do like six times felt like yeah please you I'm gonna get back at you for being like a terrible to bring a terror okay so two bit circus uh here's another question do you I think I saw some of this do you create things for more corporate installation so for example like a like a Dave & Buster's is that something that you would work with their corporates or create something that everyone can enjoy absolutely so Dave & Buster's been a longtime partner of ours in fact we have some really fun stuff works installing with them in q1 that are sort of shrunk down versions of this kind of stuff we take on tour so very excited to show you guys that stuff we got a few things in there right now and a few more coming so it's gonna be a brother down version if now you have two bit circus does a lot of VR things particularly like right now it seems like you're very interested in that aside from the total immersion end game let's let's play a little game let's get a hypothetical here so the keynotes here at CES are fun but you know I say a little dry I'm dare a little dry feel like we could really spice them up with two bit circus so let's let's take an example it's let's throw one out there how would you make any of the keynotes better here at CES 20 what's a Quincy has 2017 what's the what's the keynote that you'd want to give people that is an awesome question and and and really I would follow a Brian krzanich is lead from Intel who you know they had a whole bunch of different kinds of interactive things that they had on stage you know the only no touch instrument like until recently was the ferryman right that sort of rule sci-fi instrument well they had a whole bunch of no touch instruments where people had different sensors on their hands and we're dancing and moving around and I feel like there's a lot of room for sort of new styles of entertainment experiences using that kind of technology to you know sort of augment and sense you know what people are doing on stage and then have crazy visuals that happen as a result all kinds of different kinds of musical triggers that could happen so I feel like there's really a big great domain their drones so drones especially when you mount a bunch of cameras and you have them under computer control you can do all sorts of crazy styles of entertainment of you know shows that would have them all you know crisscrossing and doing the parrot but as the dancing Jones thing yeah it's very cool and so you know put a little display on each one of those and all of a sudden you could start to have a very you know augmented kind of visual experience that I think would be quite neat we talked about a few maybe a couple months ago we talked about these very micro drones that had small LED screens on them and they were able to sort of very similar to the fish in finding nemo they were able to sort of can all come together into and yeah and into an image and each one of them sort of acted as its own pixel and that seems like something that would very much be right up your alley I love that that's a great call and then the other place you go is audience control you know you finally have everybody with a device or you know really cheap sensors that would allow you know the whole audience to be able to start control what's going on you know was that you were controlling the audience the audience that's me I love it that's so cool yeah that is the Samsung booth here at CES also had a bunch of there you know ultra HDTVs but mounted on things that they would all move so the images would interact as the screens came together and moved apart and stuff it's a really exciting time I think for technology because it's enabling stuff like what you guys are doing that is this intersection of sort of magic and stage performance and technology and all I said it's really really cool you know there's this this period of time from when tech sort of comes out of the lab and before it's may be ready for the home that there's really a special place to do it in out of home and you know as an example the camera that powers the kinect was a ten-thousand-dollar camera before was a hundred bucks you know and so on just about every domain you can think of that's true and for VR right now the best experiences you get are going to be the ones in out-of-home because now you can be in a motion simulator or in a walking solution and also all the sort of other stuff that that you know it maybe isn't ready for the home but you can do in and out-of-home context all right so last thing and then we'll let you go and where we're going to wrap up the show here I'm just gonna pitch it to you now I think you could bring it here next year an instrument lesueur castra with a drone ballet oh I like it I thought you're gonna say burn my co-host well that's after no not burn you not burn you not right I'm sorry I fancy suit I'm really slowing a gun to pick up on I just put me in the thing I don't care about me in a fireball take a fireball anyway yeah that's all um thank you so much you can find two bit circus online there at two bit circus on Twitter and then two bit circus com it's really easy to find them you guys should definitely check out they have an amazing array of pictures and video of all the different installations that they've been involved in and it is is actually really cool all right thank you so much appreciate it so if you want if you want to stick around while we close out show it's all good let's do it alright guys so that is it for the show today we will be back tomorrow with a a slew of guests uh oh man CES gonna keep rolling we're gonna keep doing shows tomorrow yeah epic time we've got Nick Cannon come to the stage tomorrow my gosh it's fancy iJustine yeah maybe you forever and joey graceffa and they are they are the ambassadors for entertainment matters yeah we made use an amateur burning of a co-host I don't know I know you know what I've been inspired the sky's the limit on tomorrow daily everybody that is it for the show please feel free to hit us up on social media we are tomorrow daily all over the internet that's right uh and again two bit circus thank you very much CEO Brent Bushnell for hanging out with us see you next time vegan humans hi