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it's Wednesday November 10th episode 138 of the 359 podcast here's here's who's been Roger all right Brian Brian obviously also had a very long night yeah I don't think I slept much either I I mean like I cashed it around 1-130 but I cash in at three after Trump's speech yeah so we're all we're all tired um yeah so bear with us as we talk slower and are ya lower energy Jeb Bush Ian I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try to go high energy let me shake things up Franco high energy just idea that's a contrast that's Trump's America baby go um look we're gonna hope that he makes America great again right because I would hope so yeah so what we're gonna do today is we're gonna have a special election yes we can't can't ignore the election and ignore that it's November right where I we're gonna we're gonna talk about Trump winning election we're not gonna talk about the politics per se or really even share our thoughts aside from what Brian's doing right now but we can talk a little about the effect that social media had the impact social media had on this election you know for better or worse you know definitely helped fuel Trump's ascendancy uh and also like how did it get it so wrong yeah right everyone being the experts experts of the whole nauseated social media everybody everyone everyone yeah everybody that makes it a profession to know this kind of stuff right which isn't us by the way we're that's not our job not our job let's let's get started get started as always you have any questions put them and leave them in the comments section Brian will pick them out do our best answer deal all right go welcome to 359 when we talk about the top tech news of the day only on the crap you want to throw in I'm Roger Cheng I'm betting Fox Rubin if you're like me you're a little tired from staying up late watching the elections unless you've been living under a rock you'll know that Donald Trump will be our next president woohoo his victory I'd virtually every poll in prognosticator seemed like even social media failed to predict the win so but how did how did this happen what why did everyone go so wrong I think there are gonna be a lot of post mortems around this yeah and it's really hard to say at this point we we have a story out where we worked with a social media companies read fast read fast and they provided us with a lot of data around who's tweeting more positive stuff about whether it was Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump and it looked like Clinton was actually a head in a lot of the states that she actually lost so can twitter predict an election at least for this one no yeah yeah so just interesting way taking it back a step you know the role that social media that Twitter in particular played in this election I mean both Hillary and dog were pretty savvy and social media but you know Trump sort of took it to next level you almost a very interesting could almost say you know in terms of like the incendiary tweets that he would throw out there couldn't help but to command attention right yeah absolutely as I was listening to I think this was CNN pundits last night they were talking about how this is going to be the first social media president and a lot of presidents before him basically commanded whatever medium it was of the time whether it was radio or television what have you or you know the internet for Obama I remember that's what they were talking about but social media has become this dominant force and it's interesting to consider exactly how he used it he didn't use it as a professional politician my he did like tweets at three in the morning he lashed out at people regular people like not not famous people or anything like that and for a lot of people knows a lot of people that was what worked that that on social media right cuz it was once seemed authentic but the exact wasn't just like this standard template Twitter account yeah we're going on say that like Clinton's Twitter account was you know you could argue that she quote unquote did everything right with that she had a lot of tweets she was really trying to inspire her base she had a lot of nice pictures whatever but it was it was kind of like you might argue in retrospect it was a bit of a paint-by-numbers from social psych yeah yeah from Twitter perspective whereas he was like really like you were getting the unvarnished Donald Trump yeah for a lot of people that was good enough but you actually had a chance to go to the Trump election party last night how was that event yeah so I was I was outside I didn't actually get to be inside the ballroom where all the excitement was actually happening but I got to talk to people as they were coming in yeah and there was a lot of cautious optimism early in the night i was there from like basically 5 30 to 7 30 so I'm still there a little bit early i think Clinton didn't concede the race until like somewhere around two a.m. right but and and the folks that I talked to I talked to them about social media which was that was that was how they found like-minded people that's how they shared memes that's how they shared different things around you know like their their enjoyment of Trump rallies and stuff like that so that was the glue that kept a lot of Trump supporters together which was which was interesting to hear about so lastly if you're if you're not happy with results you're not alone in fact when it appeared that Trump was going to win enough people ping the Canadian immigration website and actually crashed and then you notice this happened is happened the last time I think it did it last thousand if I remember correctly one yeah so you know we're we're prone to panic okay I it sounds like pee Canada might be building a wall so see using American laborers rank of weed jobs alright so for more about these stories check us out on cnet I'm Roger Cheng I'm Ben Fox ribbon thanks for listening first question is he going to close the e DV lottery system Oh a lot of reasons don't we need more information when I political what is the e DV lottery system is that the that might be the referee maybe that's a refugee gonna have to google that Google sorry electronic diversity visa oh so okay one interesting thing about Donald Trump is nobody really knows what his ideology is on most things so he did get voted in as president but it's still entirely unclear what his position is going to be on a lot of stuff yeah we know Trump the candidate is but now we also know Trump the president we also know Trump the businessman has always been sort of a little bit flexible right he's donated always wants the Democrats and Republicans he sort of his positions have changed depending on the mood or depending on the the contacts and so it's really hard to predict what he's gonna do right and again watching CNN this morning a lot of the folks on there were saying look you know he doesn't want to why would he want to cave the economy if he has so much based in it and ran you know maybe maybe we have reason to be very positive about a trump presidency but it sounded to me like a lot of them were changing their tune because the experts got it wrong they didn't expect this to happen and maybe only a week ago or even a couple days ago they were like how is this guy even the thinking he's going to pull this off right this is this is really you know kind of crazy there's a lot of comments i can't read on the air okay all right let's try to keep the the violence and threats to a minimum folks if you can please a stress on us no no no not against us I mean except for that one guy that wanted to punch you in the face oh we got that guy back that's not back MC weeks point about miss that guy yeah miss that guy can he didn't say he wants to punch me in the face too if he wants that's just jealous I am I am I need I need a face punch fan so um but yeah if anybody has any other comments or questions that aren't violent that they want to share em that sounds that sounds great yeah we're I mean we're happy to read some of the comments and your thoughts right dimensions and the results and we're obviously aware that this isn't a typical show but you know it's November ninth there's no way we're going to avoid the fact that it was it was a huge upset election and yeah we're not tight we can't talk about Samsung facebook right it seems a little real good to talk about Facebook and Twitter and whatever Yes Doctor dr. lumen promises he will punch all of us oh thank you thank you that's really nice that's what I needed this yeah yeah that's that's really gonna make America great again and I might feel better after that i'm a little hungover it'll be a friendly punch how late if I how late were you out last night but two okay you were out we have our own dragging back and forth okay did you like was it back and forth and back and forth like did you go to the bar back to the apartments back to the bar I'm not sure okay yeah what it does in clean night what interesting thing that I want to share about going to the trump event yesterday was that it being I feel like it being in Manhattan there really was not much of a spillover crowd outside of the hilton and and I think that that's because most of the voters in the Manhattan area were probably clinton voters and we saw that at the Javits Center salzman went to the Javits Center and that was a pretty heavy spillover yes but the folks you talked to were they they were from Manhattan right they were from one of them I talked to was from i think it was Ridgefield Connecticut and the other one was from the Boston area oh just looks so so I did get to check to you know two people and they were slightly you know out of the area but it's it's worth mentioning that Trump intentionally had you know a smaller event we have a Javits Center that place was packed obviously Clinton was expecting things to go differently and you know some sometime around two in the morning they just told everybody to leave yeah they're not gonna say anything more questions about visas stuff we really can't answer not our Forte yeah maybe if you haven't really about Lear yeah I mean we're not political analysts we are involved in the tech side of things for this so if you have questions about social media accounts and how different media outlets have played into this this year it has been an odd early fascinating 10 11 months really the way thing or the next more than that rise but especially in the final sprint hear ya where network coverage has branched off to incredible new interesting ideas we've never seen before the liveblog fact-checking I always I thought yeah otter like fantastic that was really fact that like Twitter basically had its most active night ever I think with like two or three of those they are two of those debates last night 75 million tweets about the election from Tuesday going into early Wednesday whole thing I tweeted about it last night I did a little like at three in the morning I mentioned that the Simpsons are always right because they called a trump presidency did it yeah yeah yeahs in one of in just one random episode they so yes they are an incredibly present show still relevant after all these years hello is it 30 30 years 30 years yeah so yeah let's talk about the Simpson is Donald Trump going to increase taxes on kabobs I hope not that that would be a pretty highly unlikely horrible I think people would riot streams also cute magic passing attacks like a single single food type right we would just have to like take it off of not even like a category neither like beverages or lunch meat like kabobs only like oh yeah seems unlikely it seems it seems unlikely but then again everything gonna everything's are pretty unlikely improbable didn't go on it I don't know women say no there's not gonna be a tax on kabobs thank God I don't think I could handle that um but yeah one other aspect that might actually be interesting you remember several months ago you wrote a story about what it would mean if the Apple yes brought back some of its factory jobs or some of its manufacturing to the US yeah and what that would actually do to iPhone prices and at first blush it sounded like your iphone would then be two or three times the current a conservative estimate I got four medals at least double the price but that's a really really conservative right yeah it makes sense I mean obviously us laborers are going to be paid more hourly than Chinese laborers in China and there's also the cost of ramping up a facility like that right like we don't have anything close to what if Foxconn has in terms of the ability to build like millions upon millions of phones totally oh right and yeah well we don't even have the labor force at the labor force we don't have a facility all set right of the facilities so that is a you know a potential put up or shut up moment mean that for this round it's definitely one of the big cam paper we're gonna bring jobs back never and he never really answered that you know like how we actually specifically you know you want to say he says he wants to keep jobs here but there's a big difference which which is a little bit easier right but in my heart there's a big difference from bringing jobs back manufacturing back and you know it's president you know president night estates the most powerful man in the world but even they would be difficult for them to force a company like Apple to yeah its entire strategy look it's always been interesting to me that intel has maintained its factories in the US and i think a lot of that has to do with the fact that they want to protect their patents but you know and they don't want to send them over anyway we have a question do you think in the next four years we could use social media to vote and no we had this discussion last couple days I don't we already had enough Haram by right ends yeah what I think that's that's kind of recipe for disaster social media is it's a great place for communication and sharing ideas it's also a great great the bastion of trolls and well I think online voting still isn't a thing at all no it's not so I mean we talked about the fact that you know the idea of having a nap you know allowing us to both the app that's still not that great like I think but I think it means something that we actually have to go through the effort of like getting to a polling place and voting comes worth it's worth arguing the point for like low tech at this point because more than a hundred million people voted in early voting and on Election Day so I'm not going to say that everybody that wanted to vote voted you know obviously probably people my point is if you make the voting process too easy then you just invite trolls and pranksters like more so than ever like there there might have been a fair share of troll voting for this selection but people I should had to go out and get to the polls and do it or you know or send a absentee ballot yeah so I I wouldn't really expect that any time soon is Donald Trump going to be the new host of apple byte haha I think he's busy now writing the new the incoming president president elect we'd love to have him sure he's welcome to come on apple byte or for this podcast we're on the 359 absolutely yeah we'd we'd be interested in asking to about visas well actually I would love to have him on to talk about tech because he's he's made a lot of comments that sort of betray the fact that he doesn't know as much about tech is maybe he should in terms of like I don't think he uses a computer when he talked about shutting down parts of the internet that that's controlled by Isis right he references the Cybermen there if there are some things he has to have to speed on in terms of Technology because it's a huge issue in this country whether it's you know an engine for growth or or whatever and Trump has to get on top of him anything I agree with you however he hire the right people to get on top of it for him hopefully yes I mean he kind of had definitely shown in instinct for social media I'll get for sure absolutely he's savvy and social media but when it comes to things like how the internet works he doesn't know how it works so yeah here's a good segue and about that could Trump demand Google or Facebook turnover private chats in order to prosecute someone very interesting question I feel like that that kind of happens already to an extent the FBI or he does it right so but would he hold authority to make that what do you have to go through yes critique apartment so I don't know why the president would do that direct oh no I think you know a lot of things you can ask why what's someone would do so in the app with the whole Apple versus FBI thing ultimately that was going to go to court you know one of the other solutions that was floated back then was a law passed by Congress that would you know give some clarity as to what Apple could or couldn't do in terms of disclosing customer information so and that never actually came to never came to pass does FBI back down but it's hard for me to see like Trump or any president taking that direct role like I feel like it would be Congress's role to the kind of have that kind of mandate it here's here's some good questions since Apple is an American company and Samsung is Korean could Trump's trade policies have an impact on the smartphone market absolutely yeah absolutely there's I mean he's well it's very upfront about he actually manages to change some of the trade laws their trade pacts are in place one could argue that he would try to make it more difficult for samsung to import phones and and argue that they need to do at least more of the you know parts manufacturer or like the construction of the phones you're on it on US soil right I know that a lot of automotive companies do that already because that's more difficult to share yep that being said I don't it's it's going back to the same point that we made already is that it's very hard to build those factories create that labor force that's something that does take an extraordinarily long time but I think that's a really good question and it really speaks to well where do we go from here and a lot of people don't know and allow the automaker's speaking of the automaker's I mean they're their facilities aren't here they're in Mexico some of them yeah there's a huge hub for manufacture oh absolutely is Trump gonna like the man that gets all moved back to us or it's again a that he made a central part of his campaign was a trade policy yeah bringing jobs back to America and I think that's one of the central promises from his campaign that did he walk back Matt them really have to you didn't say he was going to walk back NAFTA he said he was going to try to revise NAFTA I don't know enough about NAFTA actually know what that means right um so nobody does I just know it's though all these windows because we're not X personal apologies no is the worst deal ever ever f chord trotting to chance Trump has a huge iphone and tiny hands is this just in the Canadian government has decided to move an army of beavers to build a dam separating Canada and United States so good these are good nonviolent comment yeah thank you yeah we need to laugh Friday and that's been a very rough couple of days regardless of your affiliation it has been a nail-biter it's been a long night last night and yeah it's been it's been kind of a terrible horrible election for anybody yeah yeah I on my vitriol on both sides it's just I'm glad I'm Lisa to that point I'm glad it's all over I actually had a great conversation with a guy that runs a shoeshine station on forty seventh and sixth on my way to the trump rally and he said that what he'd been hearing from customers all day was that folks just wanted to be over yeah almost don't even care yeah they didn't care like who's going to win whatever but they just wanted to be over and some in certain ways it's a good thing that it's not a close election we're not waiting for the wires to get involved like this was this was decisively in Trump's hands well I'm an electoral college from an electoral college perspective but i think that the voters would have really upset and annoyed if this somehow drag dawn in two courts kind of like a min al gore yeah yeah for sure a hanging Chad moment yeah as much as I miss hanging chads what are your personal opinions on the social media affected you do you think it killed this election specifically is that is the question I wouldn't say killed I mean I think it transformed the way the election works and I don't think it's a positive or negative thing I think it's just it's just the way it is it's a way the world is now is live our lives on social media and it's natural for something as high-profile the election to follow suit right the thing that I find fascinating about this is how Trump really rewrote the social media playbook for any given politician and the question is is our other folks going to follow in his footsteps or is there going to be a realization that he's he's like a one-off figure that can actually he's the only one that actually do this and everybody else would be considered like this would be too many gaps well for anybody bringing it back to the business and tech world I mean it's you could draw similar comparisons to t-mobile CEO John ledger totally who I'm sure he's gonna want much less I'm sure he's gonna hate that comparison because he hates trumpet has been very vocal against him but he's used social media in a really savvy way he's been able to kind of connect to individual customers in an authentic way and that's as its renegade tell correct and that's helped the t-mobile brand so much definitely rejuvenated it and got past the point where you know you kind of look at the other carriers as stuff as as he presents them as stuffy carriers right yeah that's that's a really interesting parallel and granted sorry about the comparison yeah sorry John that's yeah I'm sure you're gonna do to you about yeah that's a really good point actually and I it speaks to the point that like if somebody else wanted to do that in the telco world let's say all right way just tech considered wouldn't yeah but like wouldn't they just be considered like a copycat or would it actually work i think it i think it's a it's a dodgy move it did it just hands on the execution for sure like if you can if you can gonna I feel like if you're authentic about your presence on social media which Trump for better Wars has been I think and st. John ledger effective like if you if you go on Twitter and you you follow the playbook or if you try to be loose with Twitter or you try to you know have fun and it doesn't come off as a pet dick like people turn on you really quickly sure I would throw out this argument that is it authentic when Trump does it or is it an act that looks authentic I'm not suggesting one or the other maybe they're really good at me he was he was on TV for many many years so who knows let's bring it home with a little bit of prediction on what tech and social media impact will continue to have going forward in the political spectrum do you think we could get VR rallies oh yeah I'd be cool right yes yeah vr rallies I mean I think social media is gonna continue to play a huge role there you know life I mean like we wander but we wonder about the the wavering Twitter and how if that will phase out what's not quitters it's not Twitter something else it'll be snapped yeah hey why do you wonder if this was politics I wonder if this will figure it out yeah I'm sure I think I think that this might have been like Twitter's like biggest hurrah like that it is basically a presidential candidate that become president elect did it in many ways through Twitter so yeah I don't know that we'll ever see that again all right let's let's wrap things up if you liked anything you saw her or heard here check us out on seen it I'm Roger Cheng I'm Ben Fox Rubin thank you can catch a podcast on iTunes tune in stitcher SoundCloud feedburner and google play music see you tomorrow peace Tammy out for now you