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Brian Tong I love when you guys coming back it's been two weeks I need my fix it's like a drug it's the Apple white extra crunchy welcome the show ladies and gentlemen boys and girls thank you so much for sticking with us I had a break beat him what did you do the two weeks that I've been gone I cried and waited for you to come back I'm kidding no I went I went to Tahoe the first week oh man you went to Hawaii the next week yeah it's been like a 2 weeks of kind of a weird schedule for us you know but you know we're back in effect everyone deserves a vacation we don't complain when you guys go on vacation just like you know but this is the Apple white extra crunchy it's our complimentary piece to our Apple bite a video podcast that really kind of digs deeper into the stories that we talk about and also brings in new information because news is always churning out so I'm just going to let you all know you guys and gals have always been a big part of the show so we have our number that you can call us to leave a voice millets 1-866-376-8255 I won't consider my administration in economic success he called me and he said they're going for it it's gonna be big so and when I say he said big big bake three times the throw he literally did so what this story really is about is that look Apple if this is true according to Donald Trump we'll be building three manufacturing facilities in the United States when Trump was first elected he actually kind of called out companies like Apple and in a quote from during a campaign speech at Virginia's Liberty University he actually said we're going to get Apple to start building their damn computers and things in this country instead of other countries he said this also at that time threatened to introduce a 45 percent tax on products imported from China really trying to focus on bringing manufacturing jobs back here in America and we know how they have left you know in a mass exodus and how do you incentivize companies to do that well following some of that pressure according to this report Apple actually went to its suppliers both Foxconn and Pegatron to look into seeing how they could actually make iPhones in the US we already know that they assemble some of their products here in the US so it's not necessarily manufactured in the US but assembled a but the sadly the trashcan MacPro was one of those products that was assembled in the US I do believe IMAX some of them are actually assembled here in the US but just not manufactured so Foxconn is now according to reports in separate reports planning to build an actual thin transistor film LCD factory in the United States so you got Foxconn is moving to the United States that's maybe there how about not moving but at least building something here yeah yeah I mean that's that's very interesting that they would bring a manufacturing company from another country here that that's that's pretty interesting well you know I mean Apple obviously has a tight relationship with Foxconn they're their number one kind of manufacturer supplier and that supplier per se but you know one I guess you could say yeah it's kind of a hybrid of manufacturing and supplying so bringing them here to the US um the word and rumors suggest that the company Foxconn is plant that they'll first put here in the u.s. is looking to be somewhere in Wisconsin in that and they don't know exactly where it will be built in that state but that's one of the first targets um apple declined to provide any clarification on Donald Trump's statements about building factories here and in addition to that they're just talking about how look we don't know exactly when or where these three big big big plants it's gonna be big you say that yeah I mean that's great I mean is is Tim Cook still on his uh on his tech you know his tech group that he has or did he leave yeah yeah he's still part of that board remember he had that um he had this like executive tech summit where they brought a lot of kind of leaders in the tech space to talk to Trump about you know they also lobbied hard about net neutrality that's been a big issue of what is the government going to do about throttling or controlling who gets priority for data whether it's you know companies that pay for it and we know that's a big deal with you know Netflix and video services versus Internet services who's really gonna get that priority if they change some of those net neutrality rules but again the the story here though is at least according to President Trump that Apple will be bringing some manufacturing plants to the US which if this is true is a great thing it's a great that it's an awesome thing you know and that's that's kind of what Trump does is is before any announcements are made he kind of bullies and like kind of you know hints at things and speeches and stuff I'm like Apple's gonna come here you know like apples not ready they're not ready to make a an announcement or anything but he's already saying it you know so it's kind of kind of interesting and then and then it we'll see if it happens yeah but it feels like you know he's kind of already setting it up to where it better happen or I'm gonna like attack I'm gonna attack Apple because that's any text that I'll talk to you guys if you don't do it is my detect is attacked Boeing he's attacked Lockheed I think Nordstrom was attacking Amazon right because they don't because the hell attacks debacle and Amazon that he calls him Amazon the Washington Post so it's interesting that he is having a an interview with with the Washington Post when he hates that waffle WAFF eternal you know sorry Wall Street Journal my bad my bad that's a mistake but um but yeah this is this is something that Trump does he likes to you know kind of hint at things that he's trying to make happen in hopes that maybe that company well you know push on the gas a little faster to get it done or something so yeah we'll see we'll see how it shakes out will so we will again we will see all right um other news trend the thing and quickly in the chat people are like saying oh if your phone is gonna be made in America it's gonna be so much more and then the response time half so the response room have to people like I'll pay whatever for an iPhone people aren't scared about $1,000 iPhone they really aren't and if you break that down in monthly payments you're never gonna remember that you paid a thousand dollars for an iPhone it's just the way it is this is my way it is I could see Apple doing some patriotic marketing too or it's like patreon to go buy a knife and that's from made in America you know it's interesting what's happening the iPhone murica edition all right let's jump into more things about Apple um this there are it's been kind of quiet because there hasn't been any really major news let's be honest everyone is kind of waiting for the next product drop to happen which would obviously be iPhone also Apple watch for Wayne to see that and maybe if we see new Apple TV stuff before the end of the year but no major announcements have happened as of yet so look when people are kinda bored and they want to stir up the Apple rumor mill but you know what we we talk about it because because honestly I like seeing this stuff forbes.com publish an article that really featured kind of the idea of what a new iPhone render could look like this looks a lot like everything but I think the biggest thing people that aren't looking at this will remember some of the early renders of the iPhone showed kind of this black black bar on the top where the cameras and sensors were kind of jutting out but this these renders are now showing what I've requested from the start yeah just along the bar it doesn't mean that this is gonna happen but this is the idea and then when you look at something like this an edge to edge OLED screen with a black bar on the top for like the cameras and your wireless and your battery it looks honestly like a Galaxy s8 like it really does it totally does but you know what I mean who cares now these days I feel like every phone has gotten the point where they look so similar it's starting to really just come down to the the operating system and functionality more than oh your iPhone as long as the phone doesn't look crappy I don't think people people don't care if companies copy companies anymore that I just think it's so different phones that people have in their hands it's like what's that it's so many different models of phone now I don't think it matters it's everyone throws a case on them it's all about just the operating system in the and the ecosystem and you know the features it has so look if it looks like a galaxy s 8 kind of ish oh well get over it but what the story is related to is beyond those renders Forbes is just talking about some of the features that according to their sources in working with a case company who's also getting details from overseas in China it looks like the whole idea of touch ID integrated on to the front of the screen is going to happen the whole idea of Plan B with that touch ID sensor on the rear of the phone is not going to happen which everyone is like really really happy about so the other kind of tweak here that they're talking about is and people have mentioned this in colors of Ewan called in about the power button actually being larger in size and the reason why just like one of our callers did last week or a week or two weeks before is that in case touch ID isn't able to work and integrate it into the display there is a patent that could potentially integrate it into that power button so it's almost like they no one knows exactly why they've increased the size on it is it like a fallback just in case but you know we'll see that it maybe in future generations will see touch ID involved in integrated into the actual power button I don't I think it's kind of inconvenient cuz I don't want to pick up my phone like that all the time but whatever it's it's there so that's what the Forbes has to say about it and then in another report this one coming from ET news as we kind of bundle up all the iPhone 8 news Apple is working on developing its own OLED technology this is really in an attempt to reduce their dependence on Samsung if you haven't heard or you aren't familiar with this basically with the new iPhone 8 the OLED based screen it's gonna be completely reliant on Samsung as their sole supplier they signed a contract about it basically to provide 160 million OLED screens for Apple over the next two years it's a sign deal that is going to happen but the problem with this is that Apple doesn't like being reliant on a single supplier because if something happens they're screwed they'll like anyone that's smart about this stuff in the supply chain you've got to diversify your sources so according to these reports from the et news Apple has actually purchased machines specifically they're called chemical vapor deposition machines they're used to create OLED panels but Apple themselves according to these reports has purchased these machines to work on developing you know basically their own eyelids and then potentially pretty much to lease these off to their suppliers people like Foxconn or Pegatron to then eventually produce more OLED screens and really a secondary source for future Apple products whether it's like the iPhone or the Apple watch that's pretty cool and they also like in a similar but unrelated they also have their own machine that creates the curved glass for the Apple for the Apple headquarters right so Apple yeah you don't know where they get that stuff quite honestly I don't even know I thought that they had it like specially made for themselves so they're like really into the whole glass like I could see them cornering the market and some sort of glass technology in the future you know it feels like they're just like really getting in the glass stuff these days well I mean if you talk about glass structures beyond skyscraper buildings I think from a standpoint of the most artistic aesthetically pleasing glass buildings I mean Apple that aren't models or sculptures Apple's gonna be right up there yeah to me they're UFO I like you you know like you talked about the curved glass panels on those were made specifically for it I don't know if Apple them had any hand in in making them per se other than the design I really don't know that but they're you're right about the fact that they they could take their knowledge into kind of the enterprise market if they you know but but then at the same time they're so they're the type of company that wants to hold on to their secrets they'd be like oh we're just gonna keep this for our own buildings like you guys figure it out it's start looking at the patent websites for new glass technology so you know with this meet with these CVD machines these OLED basically producing panel machines this is just a way for Apple to kind of just control our at least get backs to more control because really do you want to be a hundred percent reliant on your top competitor although they own it's for your product you don't so yeah this is smart this is really smart move so um we have seen right here I got a picture of it it looks pretty it's not too big actually I think it I think those machines look like they could produce like beer yeah they look like I think it'd make a nice craft beer from a CVD machine just the way that they look steel pot and everything so alright just talking about this is kind of like just really quickly we're gonna jump around here a little bit but if you aren't familiar with Apple's public betas for their operating systems they just released basically the whole lineup iOS 11 TV OS watch OS Mac OS hi Sierra the third public betas are available so if you guys and gals want to jump on that you can I I installed it on my iPad right away when they came out because my iPad is my baby but it's also like if something weird happens to it it's not the end of the world I'm just like there's a lot of people like put it on your phone put it in your phone I'm like I'm not gonna put on my own phone like they can't even get the regular releases right all the time and they're still buggy like I know some people this whole public beta thing people then will write me about how like oh this doesn't work as well why is this crashing I don't like this my app doesn't work I'm like dude it's a beta like I'm it's not my fault you put the bait on it bro they're playing there they're shooting the mess in German they're blaming you I'd like I always have to do this climber I always that's climber it's like do I really have I've learned from you I don't do the beta ever because I know the Brian tongue says don't do it unless you have a secondary device or let's say an a phone from the previous generation that you want to test it on and just have that's fine but I saw a kid this young kid he was like little I could tell he's rocking iOS 11 on his phone and I'm like just wait I was like just wait for it you know you gonna be like why isn't my phone work the same what's it worth the same all right this is kind of like my honestly this is my favorite story of the week I didn't choose the lead with it because it's kind of a little more nitty-gritty and I think it's more for people that are fans and have remembered really like diehards about the past of Apple and why not but just today Adobe officially announced that they are end-of-life in flash by the end of 2020 thank God so flash will be officially dead and no longer supported by the end of 2020 and now Adobe says it's working with companies including Apple and Google to prepare for the upcoming death of flash which is kind of funny because they've pretty much killed it off long ago like this so this is what this is what I really like about this story so you know Apple is also in their part you know they they offered a message from a WebKit blog that is really what the basis of their Safari browser is on WebKit they were part of they contributed to that so Apple said that they're working with Adobe industry partners and developers to complete this transition but I want to really remind people and rewind back all the way to April of 2010 and for people that are that remember this this was a big deal back then but if you recall flash really at the time was kind of an integral part of obviously computers was still on mobile devices like at one point in time Android phones were running flash and it was kind of like oh we can run flash and people on the iPhone or like I don't really care so Steve Jobs himself penned this letter it was an open letter that he put out publicly to everyone to read on apple's website if you even want to look it up just for fun it's called thoughts on flash you just type that in this this search tool i've heard of called google it's called thought yeah you never heard of that yeah beach oh yeah very very some some new emergent technology so it's the letters called thoughts on flash and really what it is it's something like a 1700 word letter specifically talking about why Apple is moving forward away from flash I'm not gonna read everything here because it would just get into it too much I'd want you to read it but here's someone kind of the key points that that Steve Jobs pointed out he talked about just being able to access the full web and one of at the time flash was saying flash is still relevant it's still useful it's still good and Steve Jobs like no flash is old it's buggy it causes crashes it's not secure so Adobe had their kind of side of the argument like okay look if without flash you don't get the full web so Steve Jobs address this saying like Apple is said it's writing that adobe has repeatedly said that Apple devices can't mobile devices cannot access the full web because 75% of the video on the web is in flash what they don't say is that almost all this video is also available in a more modern format h.264 viewable on iPhones iPods iPads YouTube so and he's talking about all these platforms that are using h.264 video that don't need flash that don't need this extra layer of software that will slow down and bog down the performance of your phone he talked about battery life he said plenty do in their tests aged just running purely playing h.264 videos they play up for up to 10 hours on the iPhone now when they're using a Flash Player it's less than 5 hours so battery life was like that's that's when they talking about optimization like a better product that was also another Bugaboo and then the another point that he wrote amongst others is that there's touch flash was made for PCs using mice right there was kind of like interactive animations cool games things like that but Apple was moving on to touch devices in 2010 so it's kind of interesting out and at the time again I have to reiterate that flash was still flash wasn't irrelevant then it was kind of one of those first slings first you know shots fired they didn't used to say that back then but Steve Jobs he threw it out put out this deep letter saying like look and it was kind of like we're not gonna use flash on our platforms it's an old platform use more modern stuff support html5 things like that and it's just really interesting how it is completely turned out that way of course Adobe had to protect their interests right it's a business it's a product of theirs they can't say oh yeah a flash is gonna die but that's kind of how it all shook out you know Adobe was mad that Apple didn't support flash cuz here Apple has this app store they wanted to be a part of it but Apple's App Store didn't use require or need flash at all for developers to come out with these awesome apps yeah I remember well he's actually said that in one of his keynotes I remember I think it was I got an iPhone kheema keynote or something and I was like whoa he's just you just tell him you're not gonna use it ever again you know and that's a big deal it was a big deal it was a big deal yeah I was like what okay so I guess I got a plan on no flash in the future but I did find like a two-minute little piece of him talking about it in 2010 do you is it cool if I play real quick yeah let's do maybe that we weren't gonna put the energy into getting flash on our platform we told Adobe if you ever have this thing running fast come back and show us which they never did and but but we think we're not gonna use it and that was it and we shipped the iPhone and it doesn't use flash and it wasn't until we shipped the iPad and it didn't use flash that Adobe started to raise us think about it we didn't raise us to think about it we never mentioned the word Adobe or flash or anything else we we like Adobe we have a lot of common customers with CS you know their Creative Suite software and things like that so we weren't trying to have a fight we just decided not to use one of their products in a platform and so you know they started to say a lot of bad things about us in the press and this and that and it went on for months and that's why I wrote thoughts on flash was because we were trying to be real professional about this and weren't talking to the press about it we didn't think it was a matter for the press and we finally just said enough is enough we're tired of these guys trashing us in the press over this and so we wrote down the reasons why technically we didn't choose flash and and flash Wow yeah baby when someone crosses him man he'll come after you like straight it was a real he keeps it real though right Ben said the letter was not an attack on Adobe it was just an honest breakdown of the tech like dude when I see that the man is talking about Flash and I'm fired up dude yes yes all of that all of that it's very similar the Scott Forstall thing who was at the San Jose computer museum you know he was like we made the iPhone or we made the iPad because Steve Jobs hated this dude at Microsoft you know it's kind of it's kind of long the same lines you know so here's another just because this is kind of a big you know again people that don't care fine but this this is kind of there's fun there's always this kind of fun behind the scenes thanks for that clip beeps that was awesome that was awesome um but here we go a former software developer manager at Apple during that time his name is Bob burrow and he put out these tweets basically about what had happened and he actually said that it jobs refusal to support flash itself had actually less to do with their security issues but more that Adobe as a partner couldn't be relied on to actually address the issue so basically they tested flash on iPhones back in 2008 Bob burrow even tweeted he personally tested them you can scroll down on that article Beach and it'll show more so he fired off like a series of tweets to talk about like how Jobs was thinking at the time and basically Jobs was trying to call the CEO of Adobe at that time Shantanu Narayen and he wouldn't take his phone calls and jobs basically had no faith that adobe would be able to Dress what jobs characterize them more as engineering problems and not security issues but just optimizing it making it faster make it perform better make it better for their platform so a lot of times people think that Oh Steve Jobs was ridiculed for his decision that they didn't want to do Adobe but is really based on both technical reasons that Jobs pointed out in that clip you said but also the fact that Adobe was kind of a crappy partner to them because they didn't return their calls they didn't want to work with them on it an adult and what Jobs alluded to there in that clip was yeah Adobe was like kind of talking smack about us behind the scenes so let that be a lesson to all startup guys out there someone's like making you know certain they're giving you some ideas or like kind of lead you in the direction maybe go in that direction otherwise or just be an open mind to it yes the way your platforms gonna disappear in another eight years or so ten years so I thought that was that was kind of a fun story with that so you know what I think that let's just jump into the phone calls man okay cool think about that you don't want to do the rock story oh there's the thing people can't really see it but for those who basically Apple and the rock put out this video and it's like basically the rock using my same basically so much today I gotta stop that it's the rock using Siri in his everyday life and it's just fun you guys should just look it up it's it's like dominate the day it's on Apple's YouTube channel it's a fun like four-minute video of the rock doing everything that's multitasking them being challenged like oh he isn't doing enough and he does like everything possible known a man his calendar has like 25 appointments at one time slot just crazy stupid stuff like that it's pretty funny a future president so check that out check that out it's fun cool all right yeah let's get to some calls thank you guys for calling we had a bunch of good calls today all we and the first here we go hey Brian hey Beecham it's Shahab from Murrieta California and I just wanted to get your opinion last time you guys talked about how Apple was in like too many markets and they were falling behind do you think that that the the reason for that is because they are getting moving into their new headquarters and they're saving the research and development for the new headquarters and things like that and so I just wanted to get your opinion love the show thank you bye cool I know that when I'm moving I get behind you know yeah but you don't you don't have 10,000 people to back you up when you're Meru that's true I mean look I I think that's a nice idea but that's that is not product that's not the reason why product XYZ and ABC just are are lacking in quote-unquote the word you know innovation I mean they just it's when a company's spread too thin you sometimes you just got to focus and lock in and that's that's a problem that every company I was looking at Google Google has so many things going on that sometimes and then they're learning to really Zone in on their phone product but man before when they were like they were coming out with like 50 different like software platforms and apps and it was kind of like all over the place and it's part of a learning they you know they it's still kind of part of their culture right but they're they're you know they're innovating with knowing it's like you know I've there's this term called quick quick not perfect and so it's like get the product out there start working on it develop it get it out there it doesn't have to be perfect well apples philosophy is kind of different they are perfectionists which then in turn takes longer for a product to come out with the hope that it's Paul a polished product but then the same time you can also see how that may not always work to their advantage when you know you feel like they're behind in features that have been out for two three years like or if not more like wireless charging you know LED screens things like that okay yeah all right let's do the next call here we go Isaac I'm from Virginia she's like 400 the next distance from 50 feet very deliberate wants to make sure that gets his point across I'm gonna say no and I obviously the new iPhone will have wireless charging Apple does have a patent for long range long-distance charging but knowing how Apple works even though it has a patent on it that they've developed where potentially they might even use something like the base of an iMac as a transmitter I think that type of technology it's gonna take them time to master now if they do it I'll be floored and I'll be like this is awesome if somehow there's a coil in your MacBook Pro and a coil and your iMac and a coil in your iPad that allows you to charge these things wirelessly from 15 feet or more yeah that's pretty badass but I just don't see it happening with the new iPhone 8 at least not yet but it will happen you're right about that are there any current products that will allow you to charge wirelessly from 15 feet away not nothing I know nothing I mean the technology it's more about getting a consistent signal line-of-sight interference there's a lot of things at him I mean look at Wi-Fi okay how about this Wi-Fi is getting better but you still need multiple nodes you know like a wire a mesh network to cover a house let alone let's talk about charging the device yeah you know so we some slow charging baby yeah slow roll baby slow roll slow roll all right next call hi my name's Tony from Minnesota and you guys were mentioning that the speaker that Apple's gonna put out is too expensive it's 350 I don't think it matters what Apple prices any other devices that Apple people will buy it blindly it doesn't matter the quality it doesn't matter the features it doesn't matter the price none of that matters as long as it has an Apple logo Apple users will buy it I we said I swear we said that like a couple weeks ago we're like yeah I know it's 350 it's expensive guess what people are still gonna buy it but you can never underestimate the the power of the Apple brand and its ecosystem and its loyal followers yeah it's probably not gonna sell like gangbusters but people gonna buy it and I want to hear what it sounds like see I think I think it'll sell out I think it'll sell out on its first run I actually do okay cool I mean I don't think they're gonna be able to make enough I wish I wonder clap sound effect for the Noster Tongass we'll find it but i don't i think i actually think they'll sell out on the first one because I don't think they'll make enough units to keep up with demand okay okay which might make them look more popular than they are right you never know what the supply chain is like but um I think it'll sell on the first run and if I'm wrong you guys can refer back to episode 93 and say no shut honest you were wrong yes EP 9 Trey okay and so that was a guy saying they're gonna buy it no matter what the price is yeah they'll buy it it here's here's a guy saying he's outraged by the price of something freedom from California so I'm just calling in regards to the iPhone 8 pricing I mean there's been a lot of talk and people have been saying that it's gonna cost probably for teachers and something around the 1200 range I mean that I mean I just quickly wanted to kind of give my talk our discussion on it it just sounds crazy and outrageous I mean seriously even for Apple to price it almost the price of a MacBook / MacBook Pro without touch bar I mean that's just plain crazy thanks bye seriously that's plane crash real what do you think I have been seeing a lot of reports that it's gonna be over a thousand dollars and you know some people are panicking I think people are panicking cuz they realize they haven't been paying like 800 900 dollars for the phone already I I think the people that are panicking like if you total up whatever the cost of your phone if you broke it down into like monthly plans or whatnot you're still paying a lot of money I mean the entry-level phones start around like 650 bucks yeah and when you bump it up with capacity and then bigger screens you're getting closer to a thousand bucks I like I said the large screen iPhone 7 plus with Mac's 128 gigs of storage is over or just close to or a little over a thousand dollars after tax so people are already there yeah so if that conditioned and look if that's the only phone model that is the OLED iPhone which it is I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna be one of those people that buys that phone cool and then what's the shelf life from that phone gonna be for you if you do spend over a thousand dollars is it gonna be when you're gonna try to hang on for two or three years no no I'll get the next one after this into play here you know does but I you know what I just keep my stuff in like as pristine condition as possible this is my power tip for people that want to resell theirs I buy Apple Caron all my phones so then I actually if something's wrong or there's a dent or ding I swap it out right when the new ones come out and then I pop it on eBay it's like pristine still has Apple care coverage for another year or so on top of that and then I sell it and I get a good back chunk of change back so nice that's a good plan it's a good plan not everyone copy me because then I won't be able to sell mine as easily cool shirts that's all we got Brian that's all right bro sounds good um that's gonna do it for this week so everyone thanks so much again for being a part of the show remember you all can call us