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what upon Monday June 26 is about 246 of the 359 podcast itchy boy DJ Bobby hill and I'm here with Raja Chang and Ben Fox Ruben for the recording of the 359 where you're going to hang out with us while we ramble about some news headlines for for relevant minutes and then spin you off into the ether unless you want to hang out and chat guys what's going on today dude with the pay the king of Hill people now I guess so crap yeah and Danny don't worry there's a show today there's going to be a show every day until just I don't know the early grumbled well until we go in hiatus until we go on hiatus which may be so it done soon we're still discussing but there might be short summer breaks and some of us will be around yeah so some of us get to take vacation is that what you're saying yeah that's how I like it would that be right a bit less ominous I would Roger just I'm not taking vacations by the way I'm just working out the west coast I was still working accessibility where we're pairing the fire made haha we're going to take a break how you took it I'm advice won't be around you can fit a lot but I think that's you baby that is not be I thought around like alright alright back on track yeah when are we talking about the original iPhone or we posted our original iPhone review today with special annotations you should definitely check it out Ben and I got a little share a couple memories about where we were maybe we'll be able indira George you can share yours sure I was a little late to the smartphone game but fine ten years ago so really trying to reach back deep remember what the heck right was all I can hear you use but also I did want to say this is a bit controversial I want to make the argument that do your iPhone was it quite as revolutionary that we all think feel free to disagree with me we're going to be talking as well a little bit about Silicon Valley the show which wraps up its fourth season yesterday don't worry we're not going to go too heavy to spoilers I think we're going to talk a little bit about just our general impressions yep questions about the the season stuntman TJ Miller's accent yep so if you have any questions about this we're going to take a little bit easy today leave in the comment section Brian will pick out the best and we will get them in three minutes and 59 seconds and standby I'm just setting up our little timer here and here we go in three two welcome to the 359 I'm Roger Chang I'm Ben Fox ribbons to commemorate the upcoming 10th anniversary of the iPhone launch CNET has republished our review of the original iPhone the anniversary just cleared is on Thursday where we've got a bunch of stories kind of leading up to the anniversary you should check it out see net but we wanted to talk a little bit about our own I guess history with the iPhone or I guess more specifically mine yeah yours do you not remember what happened during dance-along hey was I mean I wasn't a tech reporter back then so like my first iPhone and my first smartphone was the iPhone 4s okay well so it was it was a little later for me I was rocking flip phones well I mean to be fair my first that the one I owned was also a 4s I was also an Android user before then but I did have the original iPhone actually had it take a year to before and actually launched so are you special thank you I was no work that at the time the Dow Jones Newswires in wall street journal' so we got walt mossberg obviously had to review the journal but i had one for dow jones as well and yeah i was like the first time that my beat seemed kind of cool because everyone kept coming over to like check out the phone I wasn't really supposed to show it for day or two but it's Connie even like even when it uh even when I had launched when I was at bars people were like coming up yeah I definitely remember doing my first look was really cool it was very interesting but yeah it took me a couple years until I actually Gove into it but wanted to ask you what did you think of the phone like was it this revolutionary product like you were like oh my god this is changing my life yeah well look there are certain things about it that are revolutionary I can't really dismiss the fact that in terms of the user interface a pinch to zoom the the fact that it's all touchscreen it's not there are any buns I've attempted tons and tons of smart phones before then you know palm trios and Windows Mobile Phone or Windows Windows Phone I can't really call effective become rebranding it blackberries obviously I was a heavy blackberry user for years and this fella was just completely different the only thing is I would quibble with exactly how revolutionary that particular one is I argue that the the following model the iPhone 3G 3GS 3s whatever the second one was that it came out with the App Store which really kind of opened up what you could out with it that was really the price of a lot lower if you remember this original auction was eccentric bucks it was ran on 2g so super slow and it really did like iPhone I needed calendar email the browser all that was fantastic like it definitely stepped up what a smartphone could be but in terms of like really opening it up to what this is I feel like the second generation iPhone was actually a bit more revolutionary yeah and now it's basically the same product year after year alright just put a little time we have I just want to talk about our Silicon Valley we got wrapped up its fourth season yesterday what do you think I thought it was a great season finale I kind of didn't realize it was a season finale while and I was like wow this is a really good episode and then I realized afterwards it was because they were wrapping the whole thing up a little sad to see TJ Miller go personally yes don't know how the show is going to stand up without him because I know he's like the catalyst for so much action although you saw this season they kind of sidelined him fairly alone in the way he left the show I mean he he was kind of plot device right he kind of brought back Ganon yes and that was really it for lunch for spoilers sorry then he just sort of faded away sorry about it's true it's true yeah I would have liked to see a more impressive come you know exit but maybe that opens the door for him to come back for like an arc or something like that the other thing you know when we we actually we talked to some of the stars of the show earlier before the season began they sort of hinted at more sex and also more women more female representation I mean it was a sex definitely there was some that don't have sex mostly off camera right what but they were somewhat critical to the plot in terms of actual like female representation the show those of layering right we were talking about this where there was actually less yellow representation knew what the hacker character was introducing Monica didn't do that much did Lana couldn't do that much so I don't know anyways too much we don't have time to talk about it but for more on these stories cuz I'm gonna see that Roger Chang I'm Ben Fox ribbon thanks for listening avi in the chat says I still remember this fabulous tech from the out-of-the-box design and the idea of Steve Jobs we got a couple of reminiscence I'm glad we don't have Alfred on the show today because it was made before he was born we had some relevant parties and a nice to get Roger on the show because usually Alfred is too busy dancing and breakdancing and algae Tom Holland to dance off just and how do I look I'm after this weekend he was at a junket okay what does the Spider Man cast he was actually hanging out not real mom okay thank God I thought I saw the tweet it was like this cramped panel and yeah I was sitting in like the fourth or fifth row okay but you know that's cool right yeah anyway so I sent along your comments and we want to hear how you remember you know where literally the title of the other show where were you when the original iPhone came out I remember I was just about to actually start working for this company ah ten years ago it was a long time yeah the thing that I liked about the review by the way so we review our own review with genius annotation yeah which I thought was really great one of the things that it mentions in the review that I got a kick out of was it shines as an iPod like that was one of his basic one of its main vision value and replay which back then was definitely an appeal right like I was that's what you thought a babble you thought their products right that was easily my biggest sell point just as a user because I had I don't remember the model of a make but of some crappy flip phone with a cab waiting stripe on it right sure someone else had it but I remember just wanting like oh I hate carrying an iPod and a phone yeah I'm gonna consolidate this and that was a sell point for me yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah the other thing that I wanted to point out from the review was Kent German who wrote the original review said it didn't live up to the hype which he was kind of right yeah I'm kind of wrong about yeah you know is that it wasn't there were a lot of things missing from the original yes that kind of maybe justified that explanation but at the same time it really was a revolutionary device that changed so many different things it definitely changed the way we looked at what a smartphone could be because before then it was they were kind of clunky they're harder to use they're definitely it was definitely more for white-collar workers monks who didn't mind like tapping the tiny little icons and I mean honey screens that were giving them didn't mind typing on physical keyboards and there were a lot of companies that kind of poopoo the whole idea of the iPhone right the radical a bomber famously right Palo the palm CEO at coggan was like he doesn't like she doesn't know what he doesn't know what smartphone business is like it yeah yeah so there's a lot of skepticism going into that launch and then grant it was a really expensive phone right it was at least first-generation I thought it was definitely more of a status symbol it didn't really hit mainstream awareness until I'm not mainstream availability until really the second generation when the price dropped and introduced with subsidy so the phone was it like $700 you could probably argue that the iPhone single-handedly was responsible for like people just staring directly into their phones for way too long like even like while they're sitting across from their day to dinner yeah well they're at work where they're at the zoo well I mean each whatever think about where we are now and the things that we can't even imagine being without that they're just standard fare anymore like you didn't really have video on the original iPhone it was physically possible but it was a hoops to jump through to get it to happen the idea of that front-facing camera not there when I flash on your camera lash not there and now it's like oh my god like that's kind of the fun part is thinking about we thought this was so fantastic so fantastic right a screen and the it's colorful and it's basically like when Windows and also a really GUI was a 3.5 inch screen or what was hub it was not just current not very big it was like it looked amazing at the time it looked massive at the time it was like this this revelation in as a phone because it was was this touchscreen right but at the same time you look back at it now and any lie ready clunky Eli Eli says Roger it was $500 with this subsidy okay so well no that's the thing there wasn't a subsidy for the original iPhone actually it was a profit-sharing model that they had with 18 t they would actually take a cut so there was actually no subsidy for that original phone subsidy came in I think like six months later when they started realizing that is way too much for people to spend on phones because before that for most consumers they were spending pretty much nothing or you know fifty bucks on a Sun right because it was subsidized they were cheap flip phones or you know quick messaging devices and they were they were very cheap so to go from paying nothing to paying $500 I'm huge stuff nowadays like really blink and paying a thousand bucks for a phone look it's crazy but back then it was definitely different so do you remember when the phone escaped the AT&T world because I remember that was one of the critical reasons that I didn't I was like three or four years later that I why I jumped over to AT&T between that and the fact that CBS got a little discount there no it's okay yeah you get a little Park and before I move any more forward I want to kind of revisit some other people's memories in the chat I had a samsung something but I don't remember what it was that's because I had my company basically give me a blackberry and yeah I dropped my own phone service and just used a company one for a while mm-hmm and then yeah I had I had to return a lot of phone I had to send it back oh this is just a review unit so I only had it for yeah month or so but yeah then like I that I would get every sort of every new version for like a month but I never actually owned wanted to like you I think I bought the 4s so that's when I was a Dow Jones with the Wall Street Journal they gave us BlackBerry's and during you know we're instances when there was like a breaking story and I had to be like out on the scene having that physical keyboard was clutch yeah there was no way I was going to be able and granted this is like very specific for reporters but there was no way going to be able to like write several paragraphs to submit on the I know people can do it now yeah I don't I don't know I can actually almost by memory now seriously such type of my I see I see people doing that like when I'm doing and I'm not I'm not quite good at it like our intern last year lamb she could do it really well yeah there's a lot of is a lot of younger folks are basically born raised on a touch keyboard right so enough funny because like I remember when I was going to school it was mandatory to learn how to type type you know yeah oh yeah I learned that Whittle school you think there's ever going to be like a class where they teach you how to type on a non tactile they're going to teach you how don't you use that because it's like because I'm or decides exactly as screen sizes are all different like I guess not that's kind of a silly but it was out no this is where we are now by the way via the Verizon iPhone went on sale in 2011 so it sounds like sort of around behind that I got it two years yeah because I had the 4s for a couple years and then I switched over to the six which I still have you probably got it that year but like in the fall yeah introduced the 4sj I believe so yeah Matthew Dodger says what about the time the iPhone 3G wasn't actually on a 3G network whoo so it was that ATT was that ATT buh last I think so I bet if I'd the way I personally remember correctly yeah yeah it wasn't great because it'll work talk with it though I will because there were a lot of fun after phones freaking awesome right and then you know an early adopters were super into this is this was some no it was really it was really an agent he took a brunt of it like they wanted the full crisis communications mode after that like it was a big black eye for them just the fact that service really did it really was terrible it couldn't handle the sheer amount of traffic that those iPhone I think halls would drop to you know like the phone calling function which is like why you have a phone right or at least it used to be wasn't that good either yep Kent mentions that in a story yeah I mean there's look even so I would argue even now like in terms of stone antenna technology that it's never been like cutting edge actually a lot of Android phones real objects hmm all right Garrett in the chest as ten years later has the iPhone progressed enough isn't that the question we are working on a timely point I think we're going to get our answer in September October 1 you know I thought I'm prepared and prepared myself to be disappointed I think we all are I think it's gonna be it's going to be a big shift from what we've seen over the past here you know the rumors I heard is they're going to add a new port for a headphone on it oh my god so so Jimmy don't they're going to call it they're gonna call it headphone classics I can market that for an extra $100 you know what's up there is their problem is when when the first iPhone came out there was zero market share they had nothing to lose so they're gonna go all out right now they've got it's got a massive market share they've got a base of millions of users and when you create for a base of millions of users you can't be as nimble you can't take you can't take these you're totally right it's just that it's it's a little sad to see it not only as a tech reporter but as just like a regular consumer technology I mean that and and one would assume that that's how Apple may eventually someday get beaten out you know yeah that some nimble competitor is going to take those chances that Apple just refuses to oh yeah it's possible I mean like I don't even happen even innovations from other phone companies all the time ran like a wireless charging mod mods exactly I mean the problem is they don't do as well that's the thing is that you know that killer thing hasn't really come to the fore quite yet I might argue that like Google assistant maybe at least a start of it because boy is Google assistant way better than Siri yeah people really start interacting with their phones in that way a lot more than that could be a really that could be something that really hobbles the iPhone eventually Eli in the chat says by the way I remember in that the time mostly everyone agreed that the iPhone was so limited they were table specs comparison with a rock seriously I know what tattwa never remember that view I don't want to remember that Oh pretty good line that's that's rough man all right we should probably cover a little bit of Silicon Valley before we wrap it up for the day I don't know anything about the show I'm great you should wash yo I'm it's funny I'm just slow on all things because you guys can either elevated but by the way speak you ladies did you watch glow yet actually yes I did start glow this weekend I watched the whole thing to em so today I did all like I just thought the weekend watching it was pretty amazing it is great yeah as a former wrestling fan pro wrestling fan really appreciate it like that they actually treated with respect it wasn't like it was an afterthought for sure I have a lot of friends who are interested in that I don't know much about wrestling I like Alison Brie I like Marc Maron and they've kind of given me like a bit of a precursor education into what it's really about yes I know nothing about the history Connecticut fun yeah it's also do it as the show goes on I was going to say as of right now it doesn't it's not that relevant in the first couple of episodes it didn't you don't see a broadcast or anything right right I'll still behind the scenes yes and it kind of it's like that for a while but it I love the soundtrack the eighties music at one point they incorporate stand bushes dare from the Transformers movie in a really awesome way you got their touch different you got the nudge yeah anyway Stan Bush song I know all right well we're gonna talk about Silicon Valley Oregon Valley I haven't watched well season and what's going to happen without TJ I feel like there was a bit of a reset like we're going almost back to status quo ya Yin that's right between uh between Gavin and Pied Piper right like that's true I hadn't lol after all they're all the drama throughout the whole season the arc with Ganz leaving you know just you've now set it up for the classic Gavin versus what's the the main character say Thomas Middleditch I get a little bit and remember it's character today right now right but anyway those are those two characters potentially fighting it out yeah so there's I mean the opportunities for the show to keep going in that direction and figuring that whole thing out yeah be pretty interesting um yeah it's kind of I just think of they were they kind of like they were wait wait should we give a spoiler alert yeah I mean like yeah my lawyers we're trying to avoid spoilers I was just going to say like in terms of his character it was almost like a pseudo Breaking Bad transformation like you see how corrupted throughout the season and sort of finding a little bit of redemption there at the end yeah but only a little only a little I kind of liked like the bad version of that guy yeah all right well it was like as you're watching him get more corrupted like he was getting more self-destructive like the same as Richard Hendricks Richard Hendricks God why did we brain fart there Richard Hendricks is here oh yeah that was a long time do you want to talk about your your like your interaction with middle didn't come tune to which by the way I didn't remember his real name so I bumped into him at a number then which language Jenny would shop and I was like Richard Hendricks what's up which is probably like really bad to do like I gonna throw a possible such of faux pas whenever coming up to an actor and not even talking calling them by their first name right I said hi to him and was like hey I'm with the Mussina you know can I give you my card whatever it was pretty lame yeah appropriate it didn't get it and he was just as awkward from from the very little that he actually said he seemed pretty much just as awkward as he was did it look like he just wanted to get out there yeah he did not want to talk to me and I just kind of lingered as long as I could and asked him to sign my sandwich Wow actually it's so funny cuz I uh I ran into Zach woods Jerrod like a block away from our office Briana I didn't I didn't talk to him I just saw like he was sort of like staring at a wall or down the floor to the wall like that sounded rather lame a sidewalk and it was like shared and then like I didn't really wanna bomb who keep really focused on whatever the stare net so I just walked up yeah yeah I'm just not in a Russian thing cool story bro just have you guys and I read that cool I know sorry alright public eye droppers wrap it up alright if you like anything you saw or heard here check it out on CNET our podcast is also available on iTunes TuneIn stitcher SoundCloud Feedburner and google play music till tomorrow thanks everybody