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good morning on Monday November 6 it's episode 311 of the 359 podcast my name is bebe G and your hosts today are alfred Inge and Roger Chang what's up guys hey am i hosting this - every Monday nah I'll host a night all right we're both hosting co-hosted yes sure these group show up to a great start yeah we're gonna be talking about our iPhone 10 or iPhone X drop tests which did not fare so well thanks across yeah exactly give it to you we will talk about Sprint t-mobile saying no thanks to a merger that happened over the weekend and falen will do some details on Sprint's consolation prize it was rather sad and then lastly we're just gonna talk a little bit about our flick at couple features that we that our colleagues wrote Katie Collins on a nice feature on how deliver Roo is making a top restaurant or allowing top restaurants to deliver food to you a lot easier and our colleague Terry Collins did a nice year review on how Trump really changed everything in terms of a political dialogue with Twitter what this modern presidential yeah for better or worse so we won't offer any judgments their opinions to yourself there you go if you have any questions though or opinions please express them Brian will pick out the best we do on yours we will get to them in three minutes to 59 seconds and here we go for the recording of the podcast see back in the chat in three two welcome to the 359 I'm dr. Chang I'm Alfred hang well that didn't last long the iPhone 10 endured our drop test and actually cracked on the very first drop yeah that is not good news the the rear is a rear glass shattered had bits of crack and had cracks in it and we dropped a couple times after that it just and that was pretty much again this is the rear glass not the display but still think about how often you drop your phone and like imagine I cracked every time you dropped it it would not survive three months like it would be pretty much dead yeah and I think it's it's a much larger issue when the phone itself is like a thousand dollars yes situation where I don't think anyone would want to take their I feel like they're gonna have it like on a chain I was like a chain wallet thing like it can't drop and remind me how much is a cost for to actually repair the glass about $280 110 dollars more than the iPhone 8 repair so a little bit of a PSA if you are getting an iPhone 10 please cover it up because it is prone to breaking and just to be clear Vanessa who dropped the phone she dropped it at a height of 3 feet so that's basically you know pocket height and so yeah she didn't even Hodges didn't even drop it on like spikes or anything that was like a normal job that seems like a drop that anybody could do by accident yep and you can sort of see in the video now there's that little crack on the corner and yeah and she cracked she dropped it a couple times it got worse fortunately you know it seemed like the display was okay so the phone still works but you know it's it's a thousand-dollar phone you you want to keep that pre pristine it's just disappointing that it was the first attempt I know usually we kind of like take this to the rigor on it exactly an Apple actually boasted about how you know this is supposed to be the strongest glass ever they work with Corning their glass supplier to make you know a phone that would that would directly hold up to this kind of abuse but no all right next up we want to talk about t-mobile and Sprint over the weekend they both confirmed that they would no longer be merging that there were tons of talks and rumors about the to gain together really I had heard from several sources that you know this was supposed to be a done deal turns out it's not they're going their separate ways and Sprint offered a bit of a consolation prize on Sunday announcing that they've struck a wireless retailer deal with cable provider Altice if you happen to be in that region we're actually in the lt''s territory or at least I am out of Long Island you can you can get Sprint service there so what were the pros and cons of merging and why did you know the cons kind of outweigh it for Sprint or t-mobile alright for Sprint t-mobile that you know allow folks on Wall Street projected that this company would save about 50 billion dollars if they got together share their resources into investing in their networks now the pauses for consumers for you know merging would have been that theoretically these two could have created a really kick-ass Network with all their combined spectrum assets they would have had really great coverage that would have been comparable to 18 t and verizon downside is while those who are integrating well you're down three players it's a lot less competitive prices theoretically could have gone up so there's some pros and cons there but there are a lot of reasons to be if you're a consumer to be happy that these two were to go in their own way but what were what were the contant like I guess why did they back out at the last minute this was supposed to go through so they backed out ultimately because at least reportedly Softbank wasn't happy with the way the deal was structured because they would become the minority owner they owned Sprint and Softbank as background as a Japanese carrier who bought a majority stake in Sprint under the combined combination Deutsche Telekom which is t-mobile's parent would have been the majority shareholder or south bank would be the minority they didn't want to lose that control and so they decided to part ways all right lastly we just want to give a shout out to two stories Katie Collins with a nice piece on how deliver Roo which is sort of like the seamless of the UK basically are setting up these little portable these little kitchens local kitchens around a London to allows top restaurants to extend their delivery range actually allow for delivery and to extend the range so you can get sort of you know high quality meals delivered to you as opposed to like weighing for and fighting for reservations and lastly Terry Collins with a nice review of Donald Trump and how he's basically redefined politics with his thumbs and through Twitter so both great pieces I'd highly recommend checking them out that's that's all the time we've got form other stories check us out on CNN I'm Robert Chang I'm Alfred Aang thanks for listening all right everybody thanks for joining us for the recording of the podcast I'm gonna go ahead and start delving through your comments and questions and bring up some more chatter for us to to go on and on about here on the show until then what do you guys want to fill with let's drop some iPhone tens yeah just to be clear we don't actually have any iPhone tens in this room right now to drop yes a please don't come knocking on our door come at it else yeah these three individuals here did not do that we as in CNET broke the iPhone 10 already yes and we broke it in in record time so look that's that's the risk you're gonna run we you've got both a glass front and back right that's the glass is gonna be fairly more fragile the front didn't crack as easily as the back did I wonder if it's just because of the placement of the device or if it's actually the front screen is stronger than when back when I first read the story I had thought that it was like a targeted drop like she aimed for like 100 just straight like flat drop when I watch the video yeah I don't know I feel like it's like a big waste of a thousand dollars but it is a great device well it's highly rated by our colleague Scott Stein but yeah you just this is sort of a reminder that you should be mindful of the phone make sure you have got a nice cover a decent cover like is a bit of protection because you're gonna need it I love that Apple like also recommended like you should probably we quote this is their direct quote by the way we suggest using one of the many beautiful cases available to protect iPhone well I mean to their credit there are many many cases available for this phone yeah and I feel like that's like a standard now for anybody that has a smart phone but you're gonna have a case with it yeah paper thin mine is too mine was more for a grip thing though because like the iPhone on it sounds like super slippery right and even with the clasp back yes and help yeah but I I do hope one day that there's you know just a phone where you don't need to put on a case at all that's never gonna happen an indestructible phone no just one that you don't need a case for like you could probably drop it like the same amount of times in a wouldn't crack yeah I mean that's that's gonna be that's we're a long way off of that yeah everybody's already mad at us for not putting in a case like that's that's the point guys that's why we have a drug that's why we did it you vote for you readers man you should have had a case but yes when I when I have my iPhone 10 I will put a nice case on it or at least are you getting one I am getting one man when are you getting yours why weren't you in line not for a while cuz I've been one away in line or wake up for pre-orders Danny Green says he's seen several drop tests in the was the only one where actually did break that quick I did anyone else look at any of the other drops of course everybody and their brothers doing well yeah I know I saw that video from Mao's the the phone case maker young they like snuck in guy my phone 10 with like they're in the media rush and then they put a case on their phone that apparently they just kept throwing up not even during the media rush to buy a phone to pray like there apparently that's cool that's a really cool thing for your company to do good job guys they were laughing about it yeah that's a video the rebels rebels man that's really cool and ethical too you know these streets Grover people that waited in line for days another video then challenged people to try to break their phone yeah what a great thing for people to do right now moving your questions sure let's start out with Michael Brown he's got an easy one what price do we think the iPhone X iPhone 10 sorry I'm never gonna break that habit that's fine apologies everybody it's just ingrained we should just sounds give up and say I thought I'm sorry it just sounds cooler anyways what price you think the iPhone 10 should have been oh you know that's a bad question for me because I'm cheap as hell you know three dollars two hundred no I mean I well now we do work for CBS and and our parent company does on The Price is Right so whatever I put $1 I would say I mean if you just sort of look at the truthfully speaking I don't know if there should be an iPhone 8 an A+ and an iPhone 10 right if they were really kind of sticking their conventions it should have been iPhone 8 and iPhone 10 and sure drop out the A+ and by that logic I would have been happier if had been closer to 750 800 what's the average yea which seems like you know that's kind of in the range of the no date that's kind of in the range of that that that premium flagship plus price range but you know they decided to there was a break new barriers when it comes to price there's that we decided to break their back that's right there's a youtuber Scotty Allen who like he went to Shenzhen China and bought the parts and oh yeah constructed himself yeah yeah he there was like $300 in parts but I was like the 6s not sure how much it would get I mean this one would be more expensive again getting the display from Samsung getting the facial recognition cameras that's gonna add some cause to it but Apple famously likes to keep its margins very high yeah so higher than anyone in this tree by far and so in order to do that they got a jack up the price make sure they're making that money my theory is that it should always be 75% of the like cost to make it yeah that's also why I'm not rich yes why you're working here ouch I can even cheap for the people why the journalists and not you know an entrepreneur my money I mean I'm an advocate for the people cheap wads like me all right all right back into the chat for some more questions more about pricing Philadelphia awesome name do you think the iPhone 10 will be the same price next year as the eight is this year how far do we think that is Rob yeah I don't that's a great question I don't think it's if it does drop it will not I would originally I would get like a $50 disc no no it'll drop $100 like they usually don't not that much they drop $100 like the iPhone eight seven drop $200 this year it'll do the same yeah my girlfriend was considering waiting for Black Friday to get the iPhone 10 for a discount like yeah you're just gonna have a longer wait so yeah all right Mac oh five or so Mac 55 yeah Mac 55 sorry I heard what happened too bad please can I have the Ramones of the remains of the phone please so here's a question let's let's talk about functioning with a busted device yeah I've never cracked the phone I can change that I've cracked Android screens but not at my iPhone but how long would you two like soldier on without trying to get some kind of well I think it'll depend on where you crack the phone the phone the back it's just like a facial is that it correct on the on the screen like you can still use it but there's just cracks on the screen yeah if they're cracks on the screen I don't know how long I would last I know there's people that do like like they changed our wallpaper said like somebody punching like the screen so like links so at least feels like it's intentional yeah I can't I can't do that I'm like incredibly vain about I would say it depends on how far away I am from like paying off my phone I guess if I'm if I'm like a year or if like I just bought my phone yep then I'm probably gonna need to replace it but if I'm like two months away from my phone being paid off and like going through the whole upgrade program again I would probably just wait it out yeah all right some more from the chat let's talk about the screen a little bit more Matthew - or the - in the chat I'm sure the iPhone 10 uses Gorilla Glass which version are they using well if it's girl a class 5 but Apple kept hinting at the fact that they were working with Corning to make their version better or stronger this was like the way they kind of worded that worded the comments during the presentation but I think it's just Gorilla Glass 5 Cooper glass throw the glass 5 is very strong I mean it's you know it's tough but obviously as evidenced by a drop test it's not strong enough all right so more on the screen Danny Green says I notice a post here before logging in about a screen issue on the iPhone 10 if you guys seen that story yeah oh yeah the burnin is echoed by Eric in the chat as well yeah look the iPhone 10 uses an OLED display just like just like the pixel just like Samsung Apple a said that they've worked with again they made these comments while working with the supplier working on developing a kind of version of OLED that is less prone to burnin but they warned that burnin is still an issue it's still a potential risk I don't think I've seen any actual reports of it I haven't I'm not like not like the pixel to Excel which obviously tons of burnin issues exactly James Cook why is t-mobile charging for down payments upfront and no one else is for new for the new iPhone I think a lot of it probably depending upon your credit if your credit isn't you know premium or prime I think you do have to pay a bit more I don't know if you know it might come down to sort of the differences in the terms that each carrier offer but if you're making a down payment for a phone for t-mobile chances are if you go to Verizon HTT they'll probably ask for the same thing yeah most providers are probably gonna let you pay off this monthly right they're not gonna ask for $1,000 like straight up uh yeah exactly you going on a monthly fee but again if you have poor credit they'll often ask you to pay more upfront yeah couple hundred bucks here there James H one thing that concerns me is how I turn on the iPhone ten the screen at least so how do I turn on the screen without pushing an actual button because of my disability James if you don't mind me asking could you let us know what that disability is so we could try to evaluate further in the meantime Michael Brown has another great question does anyone think Apple does spend more or less than competitors in R&D and marketing and they definitely spend a comparable amount on R&D and marketing I would say that they make most of their profits up by jacking up the prices aren't there aren't there competitors there are Indian marketing Oh actually yes no there they do use high-tech components from their suppliers for sure I would also say they also they force the carriers to shoulder some of the marketing burden so they have to spend as much there you know because if you see 18t and verizon sponsored Apple ads all the time right so in that respect they they extend their marketing reach by having the carrier's tell their story for them all right we are getting down to the last bit of time here but let's knock out a couple more questions Subash asks is the face ID on iphone 10 really a revolutionary step towards a mobile security is Apple going to going on the right track in ditching the touch ID I would say so yeah I don't know if it's revolutionary because it uses some of the same tech that's been around on Microsoft devices yeah my I think it's revolutionary for them that's like just for Apple you know all these banks and mobile payments that are going to be using it like switching to that as opposed to touch ID it's gonna be much like consider you know going up to an ATM and then not having to put your card in and like if your phone is like within the vicinity and it's like yeah it links with the ATM yeah something like that and just like look at it and I'll be able to recognize that that's not gonna happen for like a couple of years but right you have to kind of like it's all gonna start from something like this Microsoft Android you know all these other companies that do have facial recognition it's gonna be a little bit harder for them because they don't have the infrared security kind of standard that face ID does well Microsoft does I think there are Windows hello okay it works very similar ok uses it Freddie uses a facial mapping it's I don't know if if that's accurate yeah there's no mobile security goes for I it's definitely up there in terms of security for sure you know Samsung has a facial ID system that's their bins like exactly I've yet to see a situation where the face ID has been spoofed but yeah that's a fairly new it's only been like four days yes but I think we've seen a lot of use we see a lot of people try to fool it and with different tricks and it's done a pretty good job yeah I don't like and and you know as far as it definitely helps of getting with changing the form factor on phones where you don't need like the touch ID or like fingerprint scan or on the front anymore I'd like to get more space there yeah I mean I still I'm still holding I hope that one day they figure out how to do fingerprint sensor underneath the display but we'll see cuz I finger princess yeah same here so James has clarified for us he has bad hand movement you can still use finger movements but not very well thank you to Michael Brown for actually jumping in and saying you know double tapping the screen will turn it on as well I was looking up the phone to 90-degree angles so expanding on that eric has been asking how does facial net recognition work from multiple angles like if the phone is on the table you want unlock it right you have to pick it up so we actually saw saw that where it does have to be somewhat perpendicular to your face apparently yes re parallel lift it too far it wasn't fully parallel like it wasn't flying the table you can do quite he couldn't quite look at it from the table and unlock it but he had to lift it a little bit slightly to get it unlocked so it it kinda works I imagine just like touch ID this is gonna get better it's gonna get more refined like they'll be not sure if there's a way to just look at it and go straight to the home screen yet which I would like because I think that would that would remove one step and make these a lot faster but it's gonna get better touch ID got way better over the years and facia face ID will do the same so we got time for just about two more and this isn't this one's really good I that we should think about this do you expect Apple to use the iPhone 10 to add a luxury or high-end tier for phones in the future like MacBook vs MacBook Pro do we think this is gonna initiate more luxury life in order to connect on it like the MacBook Pro when we think it's gonna expand you think they're gonna like like a X like a x2 or something and then like a no I think generally speaking across any and all Apple branded products do we think this is kind of opening a Pandora's box I mean I think it's already an open I think the MacBook Pro with the touch bar was an example of a luxury item with innovation that you can only get if you pay up yeah right you know we might see this a look across the line with iMac with the products the iPad pro I've had probe they'll be some sort of iPad pro X the super watch the Apple watch well there was order yet there was have a super luxury I thought well Apple watch sorry I thought Apple watch but it didn't sell that well yeah they do have one now that's like a couple thousand stuff like the ridiculous price what was how much was that like fifteen thousand yeah it was ridiculous I loved all the articles but here's all the stuff you could buy instead of this watch right which is like a car so my prediction for the future is ultimately they're going to do away with all of their actual hardware lines there will be no more laptops or be no more tablets no more phones number watches they're just going to develop a surgical implant called the eye eye power of a Mac Pro in your eyeball that does all the functions of the watch your steps your phone calls and you just you just tap your eye and it's already you just see a crack all the time now oh my god wearable life we've imagined yeah that would be terrible all right one more question before we call today we're going back on a Sprint t-mobile Preston says I just called sprint to get the new plan change from switching from t-mobile two years ago Sprint has no backup for these customers as switched two years ago what do you think about that has no was alright what back a plan for actually making the switch for previous customers till I get them back sounds like it yeah well it's pretty yeah sprinters stuff we struggle with that they're there customer service I know they've got a lot of aggressive plans out there you guys know that if you go on if you go title if you go online you could sign up and if you're if you're a customer switching from another service you can switch in for free for three years worth of service you gotta bring your own phone but it is a full year free service and then will start charging you after that a thirteen month so they're trying to get people back in but I've heard there are complaints in terms of customer service being able to kind of support this stuff partly because they intended that program to be online only so that when you try to get our phone with someone it doesn't really work so well so yeah I know I know that's they're working on it but it's tough you're struggling I think they've all been a little distracted trying to get this deal done with t-mobile now that it's now that it's off the table they can focus just have been called t-mobile if they combined or would it have been like a new name no brain no one knows I think that it would have been it could have been something I mean I think it wouldn't more t-mobile dominant we knew that whatever happened the combined company would have run would have been run by John ledger and his team so the Sprint team would have been out sprint mobile baby mobile baby hashtag sprint mobile baby and that's the right way Roger want to take us home yeah if you liked eight that you saw or heard here check this out see net our podcast is also available on iTunes student stitcher SoundCloud 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