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on Wednesday September 20th they're hanging on for dear life here at the scene of studios in New York it's episode 287 somehow I'm BBG thanks for joining us in the house today we've got Ben Fox Ruben Roger Chang and Scotty stag toys I got lots of toys I've got the iPhone 8 plus wait that's not know seven plus this is the eighth notes that's the six he goes there we go and the beautiful glossy back is black the glossy back is is back boss okay see back is back actually is off to a riveting start the black glossy back is back we haven't even gotten to the main podcast yeah but I'm going to attempt to make that happen I can't even hear myself in these strappy normal so we're gonna you so okay we're gonna interview Scott about his experience with all these new Apple gadgets we're gonna be talking about the Apple watch a our kid and then also we want to take as many questions as possible yeah we're we're not we're not gonna talk about the iPhone too much on the podcast itself but if you have any questions if Scott's here yeah we definitely talking about it it is you know you read the reviews updated processor not a huge amount of well you will get it we'll get it - alright so as always if you have any questions about any of these products mostly for Scott leave them in the comments section Brian will pick out the best and we will get to them in three minutes in 59 seconds here we go in three two welcome to the 359 I rotor Chang I'm Ben Fox bourbon and with us is super special guest Scott's dying hi super special guests iPhone 8 and Apple watch but essentially Scott stop I know I'm just here as their yeah as you can guess from the introduction Scott's here to talk about basically all Apple products the Apple watch review is out I mean if you've seen the spectrum reviews they've been mostly negative pretty critical but Scott what did you think about it hey Siri what did I think about the Apple watch oh never mind it can actually nevermind it talks it talks on your wrist so Apple watch is a lot like the previous one it looks similar you know if you're not using the LTE it's actually improved with the software okay and with some of the Fitness features it's I think it's the best SmartWatch however the LTE brings a lot of compromises to the table I mean it were that's the whole reason to buy the thing yeah that's the big selling point for sanity right that is well yeah except they sell one without the LTE to save seventy bucks so and then you could even buy one of last year's models they're very similar across the board you can't buy last year's model well maybe you're good somewhere we're saying compromises what compromises well there have been attempts at these watch phones before I've worn them Samsung gear s2 and three and Android wear they usually pretty buggy and weird and big I like the fact this one's smaller I found that for voice calls and for email that instantly hooked in and felt nice nice and music this is not an LTE thing right now yet but the music syncing from your phone is more like an iPod so but it will stream later this year there will stream we haven't even tested that yet no stream later this year like in a month so I thought that all created a pretty seamless feel however it chews up battery life and you know is it is rated as an hour for LTE calls so that's basically that's not a lot that's how long I call you Roger and that doesn't give us a long evening conversations yeah it's more like a break in case of emergency I shoulda said that like like it's a mini phone that will expire and you go home plus here's the other frustrating thing it's not a standalone phone at all you need to buy an iPhone yeah and you need to sync it with that it's designed for that so you can't think of this as like the smallest most affordable whatever you know phone ring which is not even the most affordable but that is the iPhone se if we're just talking about the essenes so there are a lot of limitations now other people had talked about connection problems as well I didn't have those when I was using it but I did have notification weirdness where I messages wouldn't always pop in May that might be early software at this point which sometimes before you go to iOS 11 across the board that might happen then also note of the Haitians are weird right you need to have your phone on right now somewhere to get third party notifications yes yeah I don't know if that's gonna change so I wanted to switch gears really entirely what you think yeah you also spend some time with some of the new AR apps yeah that exists tell us about that I saw some of your tweets about this that it looked really fun it looked pretty exciting about like this is what the future might be with like you know beyond the world of Pokemon go yeah this became really popular on Twitter and you know I've been seeing demos of this going back to WWDC and I'd been cautiously excited about it and thinking this would be a big deal a lot of people go what is this for and when I saw a Kia a while ago and then again here it's the practical part of this it's kind of amazing like there's one thing about dancing robots but this this IKEA place app you can lay down furniture from the catalogue I I was going to CNBC and I just did on the subway platform plan I was like you know what I'm just gonna start recording this because iOS 11 has screen capture so it's pretty easy to do oh nice and you can trim it and then update it so that was always just a real demo some people didn't believe that one thing is that people pass in front of that AR it totally breaks the illusion yes I put up another tweet about that but the tracking it does well it doesn't always work it generally works so well that it's astounding considering you didn't have to buy a new phone necessarily to do it and you're not using a tango phone that has like the two cameras phone and if you start doing there are a ton of measurement apps and home decorating things that are already sprouting up that's the area where I think it could be really interesting games are gimmicky hmm but it's the beginning of something that feels kind of astounding and I was amazed at how many comments came through so positive you know to some degree I put it up because it's absurd but everyone was also really amazed by it and a lot of people its effect really really good yeah and that's the cool thing too is it's shareable that's the big thing with VR and versus AR is that I'm wearing a helmet I can't really explain what it really felt like in an amazing VR experience alright but here it's exactly what I'm experiencing and actually maybe in some ways better because you could craft some people are starting to use this to create special effects you can start crafting different realities on your phone Apple I'm mocking up your future for all right unfortunately gotta kind of show cuz that's all the time we have but I want to put a special note we're gonna be off tomorrow but we did tape a special episode that will run I will be live we won't be taking questions but it will run tomorrow usual time and we also want to throw it out there we're considering doing a bit of a format change changing things up a little to include not just the four-minute podcast on the audio but also the the Q&A that also comes for our YouTube viewers basically keeping it in line with how our youtubers YouTube fans watch the show give us a shout out just said if this is a good idea a terrible idea if you're gonna hate this you're gonna love it let us know you can tweet back at us at the at the 359 podcast or at the 359 at sea Netcom write any of that right yep oh let us know alright that's it let's close it up again we're all these stories are more check us out Messina time raka Chang I'm Ben Fox bourbon from Scott Stein thanks for listening I love that little ending jingle ended pretty much enjoy your stay can we do some this is easily the closest we've ever actually done the show to 359 in the afternoon hopefully we still have Jesse gateman on I saw Michael Brown was showing up but Jesse hopefully you stuck with us totally appreciate that yeah thanks to everybody sticking around and putting up this is this late in the day we do have a couple of good questions to start off with speaking of Jesse gateman it says Scott any audio delay when using the air pods and the watch for calls did you try any voice over Internet Protocol services like Skype on the watch no interesting so I didn't do Skype on the watch and I'm I'm sure there's no way to do Skype on the watch right now so this is this is purely phone calls I mean I didn't do any anything else would be I don't think there's anything set up over LTE you could probably you could hand you off from your phone but that would just be a Bluetooth connection to your phone there are some limits to the number of apps and what can actually take advantage of this connectivity cuz I think right now the perception is this is essentially a phone in your wrist and that's not really the case wait wait a minute so you wouldn't be able to do like Spotify streaming Wow well there's no Twitter right now well there's no I think was in the review but yeah to make it but I will say that um the core apps work right now a lot of third-party apps don't work over LTE so that's frustrating it was kind of like what happened in the early days of the standalone apps on ion watch OS now they're I think it's up to those apps to be able to eventually run an LTE and I think they might start doing that because this was before watch was for launched but we're have to see I donno if it's gonna be an interest of all and then do it I don't know how many will and that may not mean that they get notification so vacations even if there's a Twitter app a lot of players also sunset their Apple watch apps like the one that I'm thinking off the top of my head is eBay because I cover eBay but there are a handful of other ones that were like you know this ecosystem really isn't that worth it for us so integrating into LTE yeah that might be an impetus for people to drop the idea is if you got a notification on your eBay app on your phone you would get that notification your watch right there there's think together probably where your phone is on yes which is a weird that's a weird thing yeah it's so weird and I was trying to get wrap my head around that that's the sort of thing that we're still gonna keep looking at because we looked at this for about a week which actually for a wearable is not that much time it sounds crazy to say but you want to keep seeing how things settle in and how things change but the yeah the point is that a lot of that stuff feels experimental it's really more about taking phone calls which is something you don't even do much on your phone anymore like that's you know that's like that's like not the key feature of a smart phone nobody else killed done yeah so now like that's where's over killed that that's right and responding the things on your watch you have to you have to like always scribble or dictate which means that you know like I got a work email and anyway responding to it I try responding to Falcone John Falcone had seen it and it came off like a like a Twin Peaks message it was like I I'm here at the lodge the phone the the am I came I was like what does that mean and you can't edit it so what well now if you're dictating no it's all mental but don't write it don't dictate a long message on watch just go be there soon is it yeah also I know we should get some more questions but also is it helpful or useful to have Siri on the watch did you spend much time good question yeah it's not bad Siri is better on a watch and I found this also with with Android wear it's it's more useful because you have such a limited interface it's more like a mini echo mmm so and now it talks to you which may sound stupid but it also means that if you're sitting around somewhere you have conversations with yourself you can get the answer as opposed to before you had to keep staring at the little screen so now it is like a little mini serie echo thing on your wrist basic information like when's the next Jets game or what's my next appointment or what time is why there yeah it doesn't go you know there are limits a lot of things we check back when you asked when the next Jets game was what time it is when it when I mention that I realized that asking a watch what time it is it's great a really dumb thing to ask it it's the best dumb thing that I say all the time mmm all right when I do a demo video and I'm unconscious I'll just default ooh hey Siri what time is it like that's the thing you would always say dear what are the questions we got a question from Riggs med does the watch have a separate number my AT&T order states a separate number for my watch so no there is a number that's interesting I don't know if there's an additional option for a separate second number the the test so far that we've done we're gonna keep taking a look at what all the situations are is that it shares the same phone number so in extra ten dollars a month yeah that's that's the that's actually kind of a big deal because the idea of multiple devices with the same number is relatively new like 18 t hat whisper sync yep t-mobile has they've got a similar program where they share multiple numbers or the same number across multiple devices but that's relatively new like this gear s3 cannot have the same number as as your phone still yeah I mean you can through 18 TT mobile now but like do some it's like it's not as clumsy yeah in the early days they didn't at all and then they started adding and it's really nice to have because it allows you to it's it's more like the old days where you'd have multiple landlines in your home I'm grabbing the upstairs phone so now it's like that idea where you have several phones that are ringing and that's already the case now if you're using like on on Mac and iOS like your Mac will ring or your phone will ring on your Wi-Fi like or iPad so yeah it virtualizes more of the phone experience it's great it's when people call me I really want all my devices going off everywhere yeah great it's great you know what what do you need it for that's the thing I keep saying in the review what do you need a phone on your watch for and you I was hoping that there would be more of a clearer pitch for that there wasn't really it was just my clear pitch was if you're changing a kid if you're holding a kid and you need to get your phone the edge you don't need you don't need LTE for that no guest your watch yeah your home you're right so changing your kid and you're in a forest you're in a swamp very far from okay all right more questions Michael Brown Scott in your reviews I'm Michael Brown you say wireless charging is slow and BYO but in your study did you get any notion that Apple is working on a Qi charger makers to place them everywhere in stores ie Starbucks etc etc it was a very good question so here's the deal with Wireless right now it is slow it's like it feels like a trickle charge after half an hour it went up like 15% yeah we have a review so that overnight yeah you should believe in your bets okay not yeah but here's the difference they're updating I believe you have the firmware of the phone they'll be compatible with 7.5 watt wireless charging which should be somewhat faster now the ones that Apple is recommending the Mophie and the Belkin Chargers those are seven point five watt compatible so they will be faster soon later this year it's not clear when starting at a very low bar though it's starting at a low card and it that's exactly it I think that that is not the main way I'd charge the phone at all plus you to make sure it's lined up because if it's not perfectly lined up if you're not used to that's true with phones the problem is is with public places let's say I'm at Starbucks I'm going to spend maybe twenty minutes there like half an hour perhaps immediate yeah that's gonna be you're not really gonna get like a very nice charge bump up from that you mother's down to one percent I mean you'll take what you can get right sure but treading water use what would stay and keep your head above let's compare it though - you know how phones themselves charged back in the day I remember when I got my first iPhone like a hand-cranked yeah it took forever it like the only time I got to sell the charge was overnight so do you think we're gonna kind of progress along that line being expedited and finding any luck yhe itself is progressed faster I feel like apples starting conservatively with there I'm sure it'll keep improving if not just in this model then down the road and the other thing to keep an eye on and what Apple's really I think after with this is that right now it's Qi charging but Apple has already announced air power and that's clearly maybe it was even intended to come out now but it's clearly part of the immanent plan for 2018 that they're making that charge all your devices Matt yeah now that's a different standard it is yes and it means that they haven't talked much about it but it may charge significantly faster we don't know but the interesting thing about air power and why it's not Qi is that some of apple's devices that don't charge via Qi will charge via air power weird but true the Apple watch series 3 right is not wireless Qi but it will work with air power so go face so I mean apples say that they would try to work with chi to get some of those standards into it so other makers would also maybe incorporate the standards I think Apple wants to control the new once you have the newsstand I don't like the trouble it took it took so many years there used to be three separate standards right you wrote all about always two standards and then a third one that has sort of emerged as sort of like the next-gen standard for everyone well there's the other one was a power-mad standard which most which allows Starbucks have wireless charging you use that now they're currently switching them over to Qi back to your original question Michael though because they went I do say I will say the retailers will retailers airports are thanks to Apple they will probably start putting in Qi oh yeah recive Li then in the past Starbucks like is you know they already sell cheese stuff now they're probably gonna double down on that McDonald's McDonald's feed a lot of places now kind of like what happened with mobile payments it's good you're just gonna help drive it's a lot of it drives an ecosystem yeah it pushes it over the top to like mobile payments is still not mainstream I'll just throw that out there but people pay their phone a lot more to mess with economics like that I mean look at things like Bitcoin that's always gonna be a slower uptick than actual technological inclusion right people are afraid of money UK was amazing using mobile payment so that's part of the chip in pin it's a different you know their system was already set up here it's very slow weird yeah we don't have Chip and PIN everywhere yet no there's a hole where there's a lot of stories of that that sound very strange but like why places are deactivating anyway but the thing I like about air power is that you could charge multiple things on the same mat that's the cool part that's attentionally that would be interesting you guys look up you'll be like the intel charging bowl from like question lots of questions this is one that's actually come up several times over the past week hey Scott Frey Nell asks how are the stereo speakers oh yeah yeah we were at this burger very very good question now I'm not a big speaker very very good question it sounds pretty good for a phone it's a good thing we're finding it through a mono microphone way music stop it before we get sued anyway yeah we probably did too much that was no music at all I was just playing on my phone the point that was that was not great that was your kid right it's a terrible way to demonstrate that podcast enjoy enjoy so I I'd say it definitely sounds better it you know when you're watching a movie now I'd say the speaker experience is better than looking at on the small screen like that actually makes up for it like you you go oh that sounds really good I wish my scream is a little bigger do you put on the on the 8 do you actually watch your videos with I usually have headphones on yes I wear headphones I don't care about speakers that much because I always have a headphone on I always dismissive then again my eight-year-old was like who can I hear and I played the music he's like yeah it sounds nice and like there are a lot of people though in their day-to-day life they look for something to take the place of a boombox of a ghetto blaster etc etc I've value having like a quiet home so like that's why I had these headphones on just playing watching my videos heavenly yeah really small like portable Bluetooth speakers but they don't fit in your pocket yet awesome kinda the second thing you have to carry around so bottom line is this it's it definitely sounds a little better and they now it's definitely louder the audio used to sound bad on iPhones and now it actually sounds pretty decent for watching movies or sherry used to be very very tinny yeah it's a hoarder it's totally fine for like just playing a song as you're like vacuuming being the self-proclaimed audio file in the room the sound is cleaner I'll give that my own personal testimonial there it's cleaner it's punch here it's got like a it's it's there's still phone speakers though so don't get too excited yeah wear headphones don't be a monster all right question more questions Jesse Jesse gateman Scott is Siri any faster on Ceres - she keeps saying I'll tap I'll tap you when I'm ready and then lags when she gets into your phone to complete the task is the process any faster on the new watch yeah that still happens and I don't know why I think a lot of times it's about network or other things it's a lot of network not handoffs but there's all I could do an LTE and Bluetooth and Wi-Fi and yes there are wireless signals to get through yeah there's a lot there's a lot of times it's Siri seems like it's waking up from a nap and like we'll be ready with you sometime soon I'm so used to winter time maybe I'm 2 years but that's such sure across I don't think there's a single wearable I've I've had that has not had that experience but yeah and then serious use cases series not that smart like still to me not that smart at contextually answering things that I need accurate I will completely agree with that statement but it can be useful let's slam through a couple more we're almost out of time yep Timothy cook wait what are we being spied on actually be that's a weird incident I mean Tim gave us a shout out during the show yeah that go back through the Kino you'll notice the shoutout it really subliminally just like for some weird reason he overlooked Brian Tong though Oh dong slam Wow I love it alright anyways Timothy cook is their video on the watch no but you there have been ways to play little short videos before in certain apps I don't know if you want to watch video and your watch though it's a tiny screen what's the point yeah you see noodle said that when the phones came out oh god what if they just start making watches bigger until eventually you have the original size bomb on your wrist goes over your wrists basically do you they'll be like editorials on the rise of circular video my circular throw up in my mouth already mad at no you know what I think though there might be a bit well the iPhone 10 becomes popular moving towards notch videos or like everybody's like serious we need something in the notch and you can't see it so many things to tackle and talk about with the 10 including knotch yeah not to Kate including the fact that we should I would just be calling it X anyway so much they say there's gonna be so much face review let's get one more in here yeah Michael Brown is o as always as flooding us with fantastic commentary but we only got time for one more so Scott in your video you talked a lot about the LTE capabilities of the watch do you feel like Apple is mainly focusing on fitness buffs disconnecting from their phone or everyone I think it's mainly Fitness I think this is definitely a play for fitness and for if you're running if you're out somewhere and I guess it's okay because a lot of Apple watch and wearables are targeted at Fitness so you know it's just niche it's nice to me I used it not as much as that I use it more like an everyday thing you know the problem is use cases I think of when you want to like not have your your phone we get back to how do I know I won't have the app I need or the other thing I need usually on my phone I have something else that's essential then now I can't get on the watch so it's not just good enough that I just have a watch on me but yeah I mean that's the interesting question with it but I think if you're a runner sure the question is is that battery life good enough and right we haven't even gotten into streaming music that's a whole I really wonder how that's gonna work how long is that watch gonna last by the time you get down the block you know your battery belt battery man I bet the speakers on the watch would be just killer oh my god you can't do audible sound we found the battery belt won't even work you'd have the wireless music playback afterward why yeah earpods do work well because they're auto-switching and they're better for I think for quit making quick calls but then that's the problems you can get into this thing where earpods feel very well designed for Apple watch and that's another $160 yep and you want to wear those but I've but between the call and the music and the seamlessness I know I might want who for calls I don't know or you just put in whatever here of headphones it's it definitely have good mics it definitely presents the wireless future that if you want to experience that you can today for more than $500 some people are really going to love that kind of thing but it's super everybody know the watches already loose maybe we can say that I'm looking my watch now I got the battery very low warning message of my Kerris theory so I think I left it without my iPhone for like 15 minutes so we just got applause from somewhere yeah off in the distance I have my friends a Giant Bomb just are having a blast oh I don't know what they're playing today and they always have way more fun than we do that's true hey before we go shout out to Adam m and the - who are saying the rise of square video and the return of 4x3 I'm about to put you in timeout for that all right we're gonna wrap things up there that's it for the week that is it for the week except we do have our special pre-recorded video or show are you gonna say 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