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hey welcome back to the CNET live stage at CES 2019 I'm Jason Heiner and as Phil tetlock Detweiler with tech Republic and has become a tradition for us to close CNET's live coverage by cracking open popular tech products and today we're gonna cut open the Google home hub and the Amazon echo show too so bill let's get it started right tell us about what we're gonna do with the Google home hub yeah you know so these were two of the most popular smart home gadgets of the year in fact we just gave away one of the echo shows here live right I seen that stage a few moments ago and so we always think it's a lot of fun to take these apart to see the tech that's actually inside them to make them run and to find out you know if they do break how can we repair them and how can we fix them and make them last a little longer eliminate a little a waste so it's a lot of fun for us too and if people are interested in seeing more of these they can go to CNET's youtube channel and Reyn the whole cracking open channel full of videos of us cracking open all kinds of stuff that's right so let's get started this is the Google home hub now I have you know precooked this a little bit right so it's just like a cooking show yes it's not that exciting for everyone up here to watch me take a heat gun and to heat the adhesive on the edge of the echo show to and melt the adhesive in there so I precooked it a little bit it also helps me not have to break the screen it does happen sometimes when we damage these when we're cracking them open we try not to so I'm gonna go ahead and we're gonna try and pry the screen off now all right with the echo or with the Google Home Hub here the way you get into this device like a lot of these new tablets and phones is you have to go through the front and the front panels are held on with some really sticky adhesive in most cases Aaron song and it's designed to prevent dust water other substances from getting inside the device it's also designed to provide a little bit security to hold the parts together but we're gonna slowly work our way around this well you tell people what tool you're using here bill yes so when we first started doing this we used everything from kitchen knives and razor blades now we've gotten a little more sophisticated and we've got special screwdrivers we've got these little metal picks and tools here we actually have these old-school sort of plastic spudger x' these are new but anyone in the old telecom is known for its what they used to use to put wires into old telecom boxes so you can see that we have the screen detached from the front of the Google home hub and that was pretty easy it's usually not that easy in real life we can see the adhesive see gets really sticky there yeah you can also see now if I were to just pull this off and I would I believe break the screen so I don't want to do that now these have Gorilla Glass on them or they have really strong glass but still you put enough pressure on them and you bend them enough and they will break so we have a cable right here that we're going to need to detach these are foldable or flexible foldable cables here and I haven't cracked this open before so this is kind of all new for me while we're doing it um we're gonna try to do this without breaking it looks like there's a catch here now sometimes I can use a tool other times the best tool I have is my fingernail yeah so we popped loose the latch and now we can separate the screen here from the home hub and it's you know this is designed if you break it if you crack it you can easily remove this and put this back on you know it not for the average user per se but it can be done with that now we have one of my favorite parts of the cracking open and that's to see how many screws are inside this thing yeah I like mechanical connections I like physical connections but screws can sometimes be a little bit of a pain and there are quite a few screws in here and I'm gonna go ahead and remove those luckily I have a variety of screwdrivers that we can we just have to figure out which one fits this one's a little small dents they're not just normal Phillips head or flat their own drivers now your regular screw so why don't you talk a little bit about that about how do people get these screwdrivers like the ones that you're that you have where Turner's around this the better shot there how can they you know get the right tools the right equipment to be able to do this at home right so it mostly the Internet I mean sometimes you can find tools at your local hardware store these are Torx screw drivers so they're not really that difficult to find but they are small like these are T zeros T ones T double zeros and sometimes those can be a little hard to find at your local big box hardware retailers so you usually have to find those online but they're not thanks to the Internet they're not hard to find like you can get them on Amazon or I'm gonna write Amazon you can get it from specialty dealers I actually have a kit from some of our friends over and I fix it they actually came on stage last year and helped me repair an iPhone yes so there are a lot of companies out there as the DIY repair market has grown they've been able to it's created a market for these type of tools anyway one thing I do want to mention you know when I do this I'm often not wearing sort of the safety gear that I would recommend people wear when they do it I'm doing a backstage if I was doing this really I wanted my own devices I'd wear a wrist strap that would give me some ESD protection I would wear a safety glasses perhaps we'd make sure that we were grounded so we wouldn't have any sparking things like that here it's not too bad I'm not worried about it I just don't want it if there's the biggest security concern or safety concern is usually cutting yourself that's happened once or twice or you know poking yourself damaged something like that or damaging the component all right so let's see we've got all the screws off of this piece of plastic here I think let me see if I can again I haven't done this before so it's kind of I'm learning as I go as you go I mean one of the good lessons bill you've done a lot of these we've been cracking things open since Xbox and iPod in 2006 were some of the first things that we cracked open as well as the first iPhone in 2007 so to crack these things open one of the biggest people biggest mistakes people make is they rush it they don't have enough page if it won't come don't force it right that's right so I like to say you have the hands of a surgeon and a patients of a saint because it takes that really you know you have to be really kind of nimble with your hands you have to kind of pull it a little bit here pull it a little bit there and see where calling that's right exactly it's it does take a lot of patience you you want to make sure that you're not rushing it especially if it's your device if it's a thousand-dollar phone an 800 'allah phone if it's a 200 ollar phone you don't want to make the problem worse and I always recommend people they ask me how difficult is it to do at home should I do this at home and I say well it depends on your level of technical expertise if you're kind of a DIY or if you feel like it's something that you can tackle then by all means go for you we should have the right to do that and I encourage people to do it if not just take it to the manufacturer send it back spend the money and have it repaired there all right so we've been able to separate what appears to be the main circuit board inside the and some of the heat sinks here perhap likely inside the hub home or the Google home hub here and then we can also get our first look at the speed it's inside the home hub and so it looked we're gonna go ahead I'm gonna see if I can take off the circuit board because it's really kind of cool this is one of the reasons I really enjoy taking these apart because you know a lot of the times the manufacturers don't tell you I'll turn this around so we get a better shot with the camera a lot of the times the manufacturers don't really tell you the circuits there inside the devices sometimes they do if they want to if they really want to sort of talk about how good they are but a lot of times they don't and so I like to see they're working yes I like to see what vendors are working with I like to see how much RAM devices have how much storage they have how much because sometimes they'll just say oh it has two speakers so it has Wi-Fi connectivity and that's it and I kind of want to know well how much RAM does this thing really have how much storage does it really have that's a good point so that's a good reason to do this sometimes you want to do what we're doing here for repair and sometimes you want to do it just to learn that's right a lot of the times when we crack these things open it's one get open for the people that don't want to crack it open people to crack it open first before somebody else wants to crack it open themselves and try it so they can learn from our from from us getting inside the device and then sometimes it's just to learn more about these devices themselves and like you said it could have a pretty big impact on a small company when you open this up and you feel I realize like there make this new startup or small our company chip maker is making a chip for the Google home hub right a lot of times you will go and look up using part numbers and things that are on some of these chips to figure out you know who manufactures this this part or that part or this component definitely and you know one of the things that's really interesting is as technology has been miniaturized and componentized manufacturers were able to put chips and they're able to put sensors into devices in a much more interesting way and in a much smaller space and so it's really interesting to see what's inside these devices well one of my favorite cracking open word was the pair of the snap glasses and so they were really cool to see the kind of chips that were in there and it was basically the same chips that are used for law enforcement body cameras which makes sense right in essence it's just a body camera but it's on your face alright so we can separate the main system board here from this little piece of plastic looks like there's some contacts for the board here probably a why us one of the wireless antennas up here you know the Google Home Hub does not have a camera on it right so it has a pair of a far-field what they call microphones that are inside of it and then it also has an ambient light sensor and we can see the circuit board for the ambient light sensor right on the back of this piece of plastic here that holds the screen onto the onto the base so we're gonna put that aside and now we're gonna see if oh good now this is really interesting on circuit boards a lot of times they have these are almost always they have these metal shields these are designed to protect the circuits from electromagnetic interference and so we can pop those off usually sometimes they're soldered to the board and what could electromagnetic interference cause it's just caused the device to malfunction it could cause the device itself if it emits any type of RF signal it can cause other devices nearby to malfunction and so you don't you know all all devices like this are required you know through government regulations to be to meet certain standards and so this is one way that they do that since yielding basically to reduce that yep and so luckily this is we can pop it off here try not to bend your it's pretty thick where you're being so you're not forcing it you're finding just where it's going to give yeah we're trying here it's I could be a little bit more rough but I don't want to there we go okay so as we remove one of the shields we'll see if this one will come off this one might actually be soldered on so that's the difference between this main one right here and then these smaller shields those are actually soldered to the board so I'm not going to remove those because I'm afraid it would damage well I know it will damage okay the circuit board itself and I do like to put these back in working order when I'm finished with them and I want to make sure I don't do this to destroy the devices people are like oh you're cracking open a thousand-dollar phone yes I am but I'm trying to put it back together in a working order I'm trying to learn from I'm not trying to destroy it so we don't I don't cut these off I'm not going to desolder them there are companies that do that but I'm not I'm also going to remove this this is a little bit of conductive material that helps with heat the transfer heat away from the processor the main sock whatever this has in here to the EMF EMF a shield EMI shield and then to the heatsink out here underneath that we can see a bunch of chips right so you can see the main processor the main sock here which is doing all the work you see a couple of nano chips over here which are likely RAM chips looking at these Isis back you see the numbers I think if I can make those out those are 128 megabit ram chips so that's mega bit and not megabyte right so it's you divide everything by eight so I think yeah I can't get those off but I believe they're another two underneath there so for a total of four of them and then you can see I believe this is a I'm not sure I can't really see usually that's the thing that we use a macro lens for on these yeah I think the wireless chip is actually under here that would make a lot of sense and then that's kind of all there is on these things it's amazing how many components that they can that manufacturers can cram into such a small space I really find that you know fascinating and cool and this is the brains that helps make the speakers smart now you and I have talked about this before it's not really this that provides the intelligence for the speaker it's the cloud running much more powerful chips in data centers thousands of miles away often right and so here we have the speaker and this and the plastic shell let's see I think the bottom of this could come off here and we do this like you said Jason we take these things apart on scene it's a YouTube channel you can go there and we also you can see photo layouts of our cracking opens in the CNET magazine now the latest issue which is on a display here at CES 2019 in the booth has me with the latest ring video doorbell yes remember that one well alright so we're gonna take the bottom of this off even more yeah circuit boards here this is one of the board's that has the audio or that's power I'm sorry the power jack right there and you can also see my USB a USB connector now that's not something that is user accessible yeah but in the factory it would have been used your load software do testing things like that before they put the before they put the base on theirs if you were to plug into that and plug it into like a Linux machine or something like that you have you would probably need a an administrator password of some kind likely to to actually access that but and and there are you know again people who are trying to learn about devices that will do stuff like that and and learn in the same way they'll try to learn from the software the way that we're also learning from the hardware yeah let's see if we get these screws out of here there we go and we can get this other little board out ah really cool that board is uh-huh again we can the cable that was fed through this hole and connected to the circuit board this off ah there we go so we have the i/o board here they put output board as we would say in the power power board and then we have the speaker right here so see if we can get into the speaker I think we still have a little bit of time and we can separate the white case and sometimes things go easily right this was easy pretty easy as far as cracking opens go remember the s9 oh yeah that was not easy when we did the back of this we cracked that one right yeah literally crash literally crash I'd open it I'd like to say no I can I can count on two hands in the number of times in the past you know now 14 years that we've been doing this where you broke a device to the point that it was unusable and you know of the hundreds of devices we've cracked open now most of them you've gotten back together in working order now occasionally you'll get it back together and then it's like something won't work and then you'll crack it take it apart again don't you hate figure out what it it and then he'll just hate it when you like put something back together and you left out a screw or when you break out the furniture from and it's like I had this screw left over and yeah I put my dresser together or the bookshelf together and I have a screw left oh you'll get a device done and you'll hand it to me and I'll go up I'll come back and I'll be like the no sound like oh I figured when I put that ribbon cable back in I was afraid that wasn't all the way flush or something so you'll crack it back open plug it in but the point is you know you've made a habit of getting these back together and that and then our team our our team of editors and journalists they'll test the device that's right and learn from it learn from the the actual behavior of the device to share tips and and tutorials and and reviews in some cases with audience and and we really wanted we're gonna do a lot more of that in the future one of the things that we're working on right now I don't know if it will come to fruition there was a certain manufacturer here here at CES point on teen that shows off some really cool televisions one of the ones it rolls up into a really small box and so I think we're gonna definitely try to put a call out to them see if they'll give us one of them so as part of the test maybe they'll let us crack it open I promise I'll send it back very cool well I think that's it for the Google home hub that's about it right now I mean there's not much left you can see that we have the speaker assembly right here yeah and you know we still have the little piece of plastic but you know this is the point where we would probably stop yeah um you there might be there might be some screws that are down in there that we could take apart if we kind of had a little bit more time to spend on it I'm not sure ah you can actually take these speakers apart but we also have another device that we want to tackle crack oh right here this point we can probably so we'll call this one done for now move on to the it's competitor that's right it's biggest competitor in the market because a lot of these you know we're devices that were only speakers and now with both of these devices they've added screens and that's the big thing of course I've been holding on to this screen it's still pretty impressive how how thin they've gotten these things to be so now that we've got the solid way and we're gonna bring in the echo show - Oh clean up clean up a little bit okay you bring that one uh you bring that one over and we'll we'll see what we can learn and compare these two now this is the second generation of the echo show and we just gave one away earlier about a half an hour ago like I said and I've never crack this one open either either so it'll be really cool for me to do that it might also be a little challenging we might break something and it'll be interesting to see how it compares to last year's model now last year's model had the two speakers mount it at the bottom clearly that doesn't appear to be the case with this one because the screen is pretty much edge to edge here there's a black bezel around it but the glass is edge to edge so what we're gonna do is we're going to see what we can find out about how we take this thing apart now when I took this out of the box earlier I notice that there are these two little tabs right here yeah I'm not actually sure what they're for maybe it's a latch it to something to add an accessory I don't know I didn't have a chance they work like screwy and tournament see what yeah we're gonna turn them and see what happens so we turn this we're gonna turn it looks like it turns the other way and then you'll notice that this one has a much much larger screen than the echo show does they pop off then the Google home hub all right those come off and it appears that this rubber base so I suspect let's see what it's hiding underneath we're gonna go ahead pull this off and lay this down this will make a little easier again you Villas bills being pretty gentle with these arm with this so it's just not forcing it just flowers over here so that was easy here now unfortunately it doesn't look like there's any screws there's no way for me to get into this so I'm not actually I think that there's a little trick to this and so I was messing with it a little bit I haven't cracked this open but what's messing with a little earlier and so this is kind of cool I think compared to the first generation one this one is going to be a little easier and so I think if we start here along the edge that's a better place to go that's that's a good point you know you start along wherever the sort of edges are things see will something just pop open well uh oh just like we got a lot of screw we have a lot of scroll fasteners like I said screws clips that are adhesive based because you can pretty easily remove them and then reattach them but I don't know this seems like a little bit that's overkill here gonna um better limber up your wrist this one and I don't have an electric screwdriver so while we talk I'm gonna be unscrewing screws alright now what we can't see right off the bat that is really cool though we can see a design change and that's one of the things that we really like to look at ya generation to generation so unlike the first echo show which had the speaker's mounted up here and here this has the mounted in the back of the unit mounted to the sides we have these two speakers here and then we have this passive driver here actually which this is going to help reverberate and help the sound sort of move through the chamber and come out so we're gonna alright let's let's see what kind of screws looks like we have a mix of large Phillips screws yeah stay in that Phillips screw so that's good and it may be some Torx screws back in there and that's kind of again it's condoms I can make myself useful okay yeah sure okay we can we could go at this from two angles here try this alright this will fit and we need to do that one I think this one will fit down into it Willie alright try to get those tires out of there oh yeah oh you're giving me that you're giving me the good job here so I'm gonna mark screws alright so that's on one there just one this is a pretty popular product you know the first one people have been asking it for for this for them to put a strange there let's see what happens when we just remove these oh okay we might try these here too alright I got I got one of those Torx screws out at great your trust is well-founded yeah now you know one of the big differences from this device besides the larger screen and the Google Home Hub the camera this one has a camera in it versus the home hub yeah yeah which is a good thing or a bad thing again yeah depending on who you are depending on it what you want to do with the device depending on where you're going to use the device me I'm still a little bit wonky about having the device sing on my kitchen counter grab this from you with the camera sitting in it accidentally give it back it so you have kids you're definitely more like you and I do you're definitely a little more sensitive to some privacy conscious privacy issues and so and that's the thing to remember with a lot of these smart devices right is that that data isn't just being collected on the device you know depending on the Terms of Service it's being collected and shared with the manufacturer of the device possibly with third parties depending on their Terms of Service and so you do have to make a conscious decision about whether or not you want to share that device and you know you're basing your trust on the transparency on the reputation of the manufacturer about what they're going to do with the data and what you think the manufacturers whoever buys the manufacturers might might do with that data you know they may be a great company but they may not be around forever so just keep that into consideration and so you know there was a long time that I resisted having an Amazon echo in my house yeah because I didn't necessarily want a speaker recording me all the time I have three of them in my house now I [Laughter] you know and so that is a lot of you know you do break that kind of resistance to it I mean I don't break is the right word it's just the value prop was pretty good for me and so I decided to go ahead and give it a shot and I really like it now and I find myself I say this every year when I come to the show it's when I come into my hotel room and I check in I want to wake up in the morning ask it what the weather is and I can't do that and I'm frustrated all right you're staying at one there is one no hotel here that's in the process of putting Amazon echo and all of its rooms no reason we're able to pop this little piece of plastic off here and see our first bit of circuitry down inside the inside the Amazon echo show to hear again more screws in here this is probably going to be one of those 20 screw devices and and they are this is why you do have to have patience when you do this these are the speaker I'm assuming these are the speaker wire speaker connectors that I'm detaching here that they're showing on the camera they wore you down to get the echo show but I don't think they're gonna warrior you down with all these screws to not be able to get in this machine no no no we'll take it apart like said whatever we don't get done today we will actually feature on CNET will actually probably I'm gonna do this for one of the future episodes or issues of the magazine yeah and a future episode of cracking open so whatever we don't do we'll do the whole thing later you can find it and if you go and watch one of our videos on the YouTube channel you can also leave us some feedback in some of the comments and tell us something that you'd like us to crack open because we're always looking for new stuff to crack open we regularly crack open new stuff as well as sometimes even retro stuff so if there's retro stuff that you know you'd love to crack open we've prepped open an Atari 2600 we've cracked open an original IBM ps/2 we've got a cracked open couple kinds of Commodore Amiga and even some of new retro stuff like the classic NES right that's right NES classic that was really fun because we were able to see that basically inside this little box that Nintendo was selling as the NES classic was an emulator board there's a really cool emulator board appear to be running a Linux distro in there running all the roms for the game that's really neat you can see that one on our youtube channel as well that one's up there so again go to any of the videos on our youtube channel and tell us what you would like us to crack open and we will definitely consider it and she actually put it on the list yeah send us a DA send me a DM on Twitter or you can yep they were easily defined you'll find Bill on Twitter at at Bill Detweiler you can find me at Jason Heiner you can find CNET of course at C net at Tech Republic as well so any of those you can we lost this drew that's alright we'll get that later that happens too sometimes yeah I can't tell you how many times I've spent you know how many hours over the years I've spent walking around trying to find screws alright so the first way is out we've one of the looks like a USB connector here and we've got the power connector here we've got this is likely the power board that drives the speaker since it was connected to them we haven't seen the guts that run the actual inside so we're gonna lose we're gonna keep looking here and looks like we've got a lot of screws here I'm gonna go ahead and take these off and see if we can't get this black plastic here all right while you this is the big reveal if we can get this thing because this thing is a lot bigger it is much larger so we'll see how much bigger the actual circuit boards are when we get in there and you know and the funny thing is I suspect they're not much about the same that's what's really interesting you don't need that much more attack that much more space to do the kind of sense to do the kind of sensing to do the kind of computations on on these devices that you once did it's pretty you know you can condense those chips down to a pretty spot pretty small space it's important you know one thing that's important to know that you mentioned earlier bill is that you get a remember the companies behind these Amazon and Google are two of the biggest most important most advanced cloud companies in the world they're doing a lot of compute a lot of processing in the cloud and of course a lot of the intelligence for these devices actually comes from the cloud so they don't have a lot of capability when they are disconnected no from the internet interesting you find something no good I found that that was interesting in the fact that we're gonna take these speakers out yeah I'm still trying to figure out a way to get this to separate from there yeah I wonder if it might be through the screen we're gonna I'm gonna take my every screw in the back and see we still might have to guess I still might have to go back through the screen and that may be the last thing we do here today see if we can get it might take us our whole time might take us the whole time there but we're gonna go ahead and take the screws off of the speaker here okay that's the one thing that I like to do first I like to remove the screws first like to look for any type of snaps before I really start to mess with adhesive in the screen unless I know I have to because you just increase the danger of cracking the screen and the problem with that is that it's hard to find replacement parts a lot of times yeah especially a couple years ago used to be really hard before companies like Apple started making it easier to take your phones into an Apple store to actually be repaired now you can do that you used to not be able to do that and you can see the speaker is kind of flopping around inside I'll turn around show you the shot with the camera maybe you see the speaker's kind of flopping around in there right in yes that's probably not a good sign for the fact that these screws probably don't hold the plastic here on to the front they're just holding the speaker's in place but we're gonna keep going and see what we can I'm gonna remove these screws here and then we're gonna see what we can do we might be coming through the yeah we might be I don't know you're the cool sorry go ahead no no no no go ahead I was gonna say one of the cool things you know CNET's mission has always been to help demystify technologies and at first that was involved computers you know and then eventually it was TVs as TVs got more advanced and smart phones and now it's it's more so devices like these the smart speakers which are powered by a lot of AI and complicated algorithms and things on the back end but helping users understand what this technology is about you know what they can learn so that they can put it to better use in their lives you know those are the kinds of questions that scene that's always been about answering and and today there's just always a new technology that is worth demystifying and this is one of the these speakers these smart speakers are one of the biggest most important ones today and one of the interesting thing is this battle between Amazon Alexa and Google home is really the biggest battleground of CES 2019 so it's it's pretty fitting that we that we end with this in our last segment here on the CNET stage because this really has been one of the biggest stories maybe one of the biggest subtext of this show is this this growing battleground these two ecosystems which are trying to approach this this problem in similar ways alright so you've got all those we've got those there's two more here and then I think we can lift this whole thing out okay and that sometimes happen sometimes happens I didn't see them they were here okay and there's like four more screws so actually I could have left all those screws in there but that's all right I think it's more riveting than seeing me remove screws from these devices you wrestle with these things for an hour where you're like I know that this comes loose I can see that it jiggles a little and there's just a screw somewhere or some kind of catch that I'm missing there we go so we can remove this hand there it is and there it is so this is the speaker assembly here good job and the speakers are clearly stuck inside this and there's again what do we have a lot more scripts um one two three four five six we're not doing well you are gonna do those we're gonna try to get in and we're gonna try to look at the circuit boards now that's the cool part you can see on the camera over my head but massive it looks like heatsink here so and then tied to the circuit boards underneath oh yeah we'll see what happens and let me give you might try that see so so what either one of those works sometimes these are of different size Torx screws I think but that one might be too small for that and you might try that one right there see you that one this one I think this one's actually a little bit okay actually that one's a little too big this one's just right the Goldilocks screwdriver right wrists and fingers I'll let you hold it there so we're gonna remove this heat shield and that's interesting so you can see the heat sort of the way it dissipates the heat sink here and then you can see the heat sink here and that's something that's kind of you you know a difference that's interesting to look at at least we find it interesting I forgot there's one more part of this that this job I said you have the patience of a saint in the hands of a surgeon but you also kind of have to be a hand model to this so st. surgeon hand model all three wrapped to one early the clean fingernails right that's usually what I try to do a big part of it all right so we've got all the screws here off of the Google or the echo show too and we're gonna pull this off all right so now we do have a much larger circuit we do wrong and we find that all you know that we learned things about these devices all the time when we take them apart just like that we have ideas about what might be inside but we don't know for sure until you take them apart why we do it and obviously with the camera inside this and some of the other components it Marbley needs a few more yeah processors chips on the board so we're gonna go ahead and disconnect all these little cables because with this device you can do you can actually videoconference with people like something similar to like a FaceTime call right with this device but not with that's right the Google home hub so Google home hub interesting liz has focused a little more on privacy whereas this devices focus a little more on additional functionality also remember that one of the big reasons that people wanted one of these devices that they said they wanted it was to play youtube videos and on the first version of the echo show you could play YouTube videos for a while but then because of the you know ecosystem Wars Google stopped them from doing it stopped their ability to do it so now you can watch YouTube videos on this but through this device you have to do it through the web browser reminds you of the old VHS beta right yeah or those ecosystem Wars are never good for consumers almost never right they're usually their usual hostile to consumers we saw some good developments in that regard here surprising developments at CES of Samsung working with Apple right iTunes is going to be on the Samsung TV so you figure if those two companies can work together after there are many legal battles you know maybe maybe there's hope maybe there's home cats maybe there's hope for us all exactly or maybe there's at least hope that you might be able to play youtube videos on your on your echo show someday so we've got the circuit board out a much larger circle let's continue let's compare that so a lot larger circuit board here the echo show to hear their second version of that code show and then to Google home hub let's pop off but you see a similarity to the same arranged sort of thermal paste here it's thermal pads not thermal paste yeah more you see the same shielding on the boards we're gonna go ahead and see if we can't pop some of these off it does look like they can be removed a pop one or two it's an S a pop one or two as an example so you're pretty much down to the end of this one - you got both of them accomplished in one segment live on the stage there we go take these little shields off we can see some of the chips and I'm kind of interesting to see this because that I haven't seen like said I haven't seen inside here I don't and I haven't seen anyone else do this yet obviously I don't have time on stage to look up all the chips that are inside of it but this is pretty interesting l that off and so yeah we see there are some markings on there again like you said what we'll do is we'll take our own when in our in our office in our studio back in Louisville Kentucky you'll take the macro can't lens on a camera and you'll take a little dose up of that and then you'll be able to really look and see some of the markings letters numbers run the chip and that's how you figure out and that's where they make what's inside it that's how we figure out who's putting the components in it what the specs are the real specs are sometimes beyond what the manufacturers put up there so yes stay tuned for that if you want to find out what's actually in here we'll put this up on the site at a later date after CES and yeah you can find and you can see more of them on the YouTube channel as well very good bill Detweiler well done another one another successful cracking open all right that's all the time that we have and that's the end of our life programming for CES 2019 we hope you had as much fun watching as we did covering the show this year even though we're signing off here you can catch all of the videos and all of the reviews of the show of CES 2019 online just head over to see not calm they watching by everyone