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welcome to the morning after after-show I'm Patrick I'm Lynne and I'm Caitlin and welcome to the kit oh we're actually not in the kitchen it's a long story a really long story but enjoy our new digs so today we're gonna talk about season 2 episode 6 phase space which means there will be spoilers through that episode so if you haven't watched 6 get out if you don't care about spoilers stick around because oh my god it Ford is back it's gonna go dog Fox Fox dog ah what Fox looks like the dog is in the cradle but the Fox is like it's actual persona outside like that Fox say that Fox is like Ford's I thought you were referring to the new Google Street Matt's which has the Fox you follow for directions now I'm into that you that could be kind of cool too okay we can start let's start in the beginning let's go back let's go back okay so beginning the first thing we see is a classic Bernard and Dolores scene but it's a little different this time it's so okay first of all overall this episode is the most confusing episode I thought you know I have to kind of be a little bit more knowledgeable about the show we all kind of have to do and this is your expert you have a self-described act this time I'm all like that when that scene when Dolores was like self-aware and she's like no he used to say like this I was just I was like that Seinfeld meme I was like this is it I'm not gonna understand this episode I've given up on trying to stick with these timelines I'm like now I don't know anything I mean it brings up a good point are a lot of people gonna take off now like West part is getting very deep I mean yes literally and figuratively we're getting through all these layers well the thing about with my friends it's like some people like don't want to watch West row because it's people say it's like too overly raw to overly complicated and I used to be like no watch it it's great if you stick with it you can totally get it and now with the first the opening scene I was like I I don't I can't understand that I feel that way about wine it's like yeah people are really into I like just one drink wine I really care about all the flavors in this sometimes I think that's also why if you like Westworld you love all those little nuances stuff I have no idea what the hell that meant I'll be honest and it's also like for the first scene you're like okay but someone's gonna make up compilation I'm probably already has on YouTube of all those Dolores de Barnard scenes and this will be the last one maybe I don't know so what do you think the scene is what is that yeah I mean I don't I don't know that's necessarily the last one I think in it she even says to him no no he wouldn't do that we're trying to establish fidelity the exact same way that William was establishing fidelity Ford Ellis's recreated host body so to me that says she knew all along all the first season we saw them interacting she always knew Barnard was a host she always knew that he was a copy of Arnold and one step further now that we've seen four do we know he's there in the cradle was Ford guiding Dolores to Train Bernard to Train Bernard to be more like Arnold Ann as Bernard is developing this new personality and discovering his free will is he becoming free so because he doesn't stick to that script because he doesn't you know have the same baseline fidelity conversation with Dolores is he breaking free is he remembering for all the people who knew Arnold in real life do they this assume Bernard is Arnold then why are they call him for nard you know it's like why is this not Arnold like because I feel like with the papadelis he was at least trying to be papadelis and I think it's interesting but I do feel the training thing I feel like there's a bit of Ford pushing that and I know you're the timeline person but I think this has to happen obviously after Bernard realizes he's a robot and but before other people know he is like well gets the audience in that sense so so this is probably toward like the end of last season it definitely could be toward the end it could also be we have the the shift in the aspect ratio when we're watching that scene and you notice that exact same aspect ratio at the end when Bernard is inside of the cradle so let's talk about the cradle we've got a lot of it with Arnold and Elsie yeah so let's just like break that out what is the cradle what is the Mesa Meza like what is going on with this whole thing sounds very a mess uh to me sound like a mess horrible offending everybody yeah so let's talk about that what does it start very basic what is the cradle oh yeah you have the best handling of it and I want to know in that scene you know when they're extracting his little light bulb yeah smart bulb from his brain what are they getting what are are we seeing when he's flash when there's a flashback or whatever that is and what are they extracting and and what is the cradle and what is everything you know what's the maze you know let's have like a let's touch the okay okay let's not go back far back the little bit of glossary terms here right so the maze was kind of what we discovered in the first season it's that path toward consciousness for robots not for man in black that's number one number two the Mesa the Mesa is the entrance area which we do see in this episode both where some of the personnel are so we see Stubbs meet new guy Coughlin gruff Delta team yeah so you see them meet there that's that's on top of the Mesa and that's also where Lee and Mei found Hector in the very first episode so he's like up top it's that big plateau base and that's where the train is going right so the Mesa is both the entrance and exit to Delos West world as well as kind of like a decompression Center for people when they leave West world and they go back to the real world they kind of this is like a whale a station okay right okay so now the cradle yes the cradle is first of all we can pretty much notice that it's like a colloquial name they've discovered they've used for it on all the doors and even when Elsie is kind of looking at the computers it's actually CR for DL her photo so it's just cradle and that's what they all call it and the cradle is a sin a big server farm for all the host data all their brains more or less and that's the stuff we saw like with little cooling water exactly okay yeah in one of the HBO featurettes Jonathan Nolan one of the showrunner says he didn't want to shoot it like a server farm he wanted to shoot it as something like new and futuristic and cool and water is a really effective way of cooling large amounts of data and things like that so they use that they gave it that weird creepy black and red mood lighting all that jazz it's look like a hot topic I mean I know yeah it's like a really really cruddy club gross but that's also the club you get like the roof eat drink and be like oh crap no one wants to go to the cradle but I just say Z that sounds like a lot like like like a backup so like iCloud would be or somebody right so the the cradle and he actually says it Nolan rather the cradle is a place where they wanted it to feel like a nuclear reactor not like a server room hence all the creepy coloring and things and it's the space where the hosts copies are stored so when all of these interactions with hosts and other Hume and humans rather and other hosts are happening they're refining their personality they're they're improvising more but they're also learning more about the hosts themselves how to react in a certain situation what's good what's bad etc and they don't want to lose that data so it's all being constantly uploaded to the cradle and this is the thing that Delos is trying to hack but it keeps forward programmed it to keep changing itself to that's what I think that is what I think as well because they did mention that Delos keeps hacking it but the cradle is learning it's like and improvising and it's kind of pushing off all these exactly pending itself against all these hacks that's why they have to drop Bernard into it or his little pearl thingy so Bernard the only way to access the cradle safely without you know causing it to improvise and you know create a new shield for itself so to speak would be to put host inside that's why he goes into the thing it opens up his brain takes out his pearl as it's called that's what they use smartphone no that doesn't take out the smartphone app oh yeah it takes out all this his brain which the HBO extra is calling they all called the pearl so it takes out his pearl which which is inside of the smart bulb and they take it out and that is all of his data that's all his memories it's all Bernard so when he's walking through sweet waters that we see with the aspect ratio changing what are we seeing is that a memory I think it's him in the cradle I think that is Bernard exploring the cradle so it's similar I think about it like you're seeing old like VR movie they always represent it as like you're walking into this place like the cell with Jennifer Lopez yeah where she goes in to the machine or whatever and all of a sudden it's just a wide expanse and that I think is exactly the same in the cradle when their data is in there it feels real so every host can access this cradle right it's because Bernard they you know got his thing every host can when they when they get their brains uploaded yes but you can't just access by the crowd she was like at least what we're seeing with Bernard in it is there's like a timelessness to it where everything else has been on these kind of mysterious or purposely off skewed timelines whereas this it's kind of like you're going through like the pages of a book and you're not reading the book you just kind of slipping through it and picking up passages so he's going through street water and we don't know if that's before the gala after we're just seeing I'm like the idolized clean reset for the matinee ready to do the play I think that's a great metaphor it's exactly the idyllic scenario of Sweetwater pre gala most likely because Dolores isn't killing anyone yeah and it's lovely so what's were there my other question with the cradle is what is Abernathy have then what so [Laughter] this is a large point of contention I mean Peter Abernathy yeah because I thought he was up to a point I think he was the cradle I thought he had the thing so I was just like now what do what do they still want from him after they bolted him down I think they believe Abernathy still has all this info in his brain we don't know if he does or does not but we have seen that Bernard did you know hardwired into him he may have taken that encrypted piece of data and put it in himself he may have left that data in him and corrupted it in the same in some way there's a lot of options as when questions really as to whether Peter Abernathy still even has that data in his brain which I mean it feels like we're getting to a point where we're gonna start answering these questions definitely this episode f initely does feel like everything is converging fire it's got a climax soon well in that and we're seeing everything in one episode where before I think we're splitting two or three episodes to kind of cover all the the plots and subplots for us for the most part we hit all the major players all the major tactics and it definitely feels like middle of the season and now as thing as convertibles it's good to be let's go get more Delta Force asshole guys yeah he's like I know this place bro okay so good and he's like your name is seriously Ashley and I'm like I mean that's like a legit boy's name and why is he so rude about I know this probably isn't winning that Mesa anyway okay so another thing this episodes following on the heels of Shogun world so we have some closure with that with Maeve and Hector and Lee and that group of people you guys think of that I'm so sad that they stayed behind it's just like oh I'm glad the assassin girl stayed with them they need more the dragon that was a nice moment that was a nice moment I love to the sword fight oh my god that was a mean but there's that when they pan out and he has both Hamill like now we got ourselves an old-fashioned sword fight I love that so called and it was a badass sword fight so I mean they stayed wide so you're seeing like those sorts get there you have the sword fight just naturally makes you be closer with the person you're fighting all those like intense moment he takes that second store and in this wish I my roommate and I were watching this episode and we loved it it was definitely a high point of this episode I the moment the guy didn't use his second sword I was like why do you have a second sword if you're not gonna use it that's gonna be gear down I don't know and I don't know I don't know but I kind of know I think sometimes those are ceremonial things for for doing like Harry Caray I'm not sure if that's accurate you could probably cut this part out but I feel like those are swords that aren't necessary for fighting I might be more ceremonial but he grabs the guy's sword and heats it against him because it is a ruthless chicken world after all and how cool is it for made to be like they sometimes you just you just has the thing like can't you stop this like no sometimes things just have to play themselves out see what's up here you wanted hit like that was his choice to do the challenge and I think that was like his nod like don't do anything this is like the way I want to do it and it's just like a much more honorable way of going and he wanted me I was so nervous I was like he's gonna know and he did it was really good it was so happy when he won even though it was bloody as hell and he he's so rude he didn't even let him do the ceremonial suicide cuz the guy was doing and he's like no I'm not gonna let you yeah yeah no I think you're showing mercy he let the guys stab himself but if you believe if you stab yourself in the stomach or you get stabbed there it's a really slow painful death I think I was just gonna finish well you didn't even he didn't move it he just stabbed himself so I think the I think he was showing mercy no I thought I'm gonna choose to see mercy by cutting his head off today I feel nice good but I agree that Maeve you know she kind of okay I'm gonna let it play out and Akana uses her own words against her later what may have says is we each deserve to choose our own fate yeah even if that fate is death yeah it was just like when they decided we were gonna stay she was like how can you she was just begging not begging them she was just like come with us like you can't survive here they're gonna come for you we gonna just stay in this like really nice garden they're like yeah I mean they're they don't want my choice yeah we didn't want to go on the outside we don't know what you want to do we're just to stay here they're living out the Teddy and Delores cabin dream that Teddy always had he's like maybe we don't have to kill maybe they just stay that's a good thought but in there living it out he says cowardice is a tinge shield yeah whoa such beautiful and I mean if you had to pick out of all the places it seemed that that is probably the most beautiful aspect of the world I've seen so far and then the other side that we're fighting she's fighting so hard to be with her daughter and bringing her daughter's heart to the ceremonial place like that was really powerful and of course she'd want to stay with that like it makes it makes sense also though it also means when prayin I could go back to show them the part I was like oh never say never who knows oh yeah you never knew you never know but it definitely wasn't elegant very hey you like this thing great now we're gonna go back to the other thing yeah when we'll get glimpses of it or maybe some others later nothing never never but there was an lease in this episode we had a very hard goodbye and we moved on to them turning back to maids quest which you know it was a little bit of a sidetrack but it was a beautiful sidetrack the best side quest I'm just sad that it was ending I'm glad the dragon woman came with them so it's not just like this neatly tied thing that we'll never see it again but when they were like we're not going like no I'm glad she went with them I'm excited to see how they you know kind of band together as a group we saw even as they were leaving there was kind of a hierarchy between Lee and the Delos Tex and he's like what like get in there I'm not just literally your job like well chill until the battle part because then you know you see Felix running to go help and then you see so yeah once we're in West world and Maeve is on her homestead we see the ghost nation come and as a ghost nation is starting to attack he's like come on we we gotta help like what are you guys doing stop sitting here and Lee's like nah dude I got my own shit to take care of and I love that Felix Lee's he's like fuck you guys and then when you find out it's Lee and that other guy it's like you should know that you're on the bad side even if that guy's my my - yeah I shouldn't I should probably and Felix I need to reevaluate even before we get to that probably the thing that we've been building up to form a for since the end of last season was her meeting her daughter so hey her daughter's a real host person yeah I was so nervous for her first of all that walk up to the house I was like she's gonna be Sean the side or some school bus is gonna run her over it even when we saw her daughter I didn't think it was her daughter I thought it was a memory and they're like the porch is gonna be empty when she's actually yeah then like oh it is or she walks up and she gets shot like the daughter get shot I was like so nervous I was like it was beautiful but I know she meets her yeah she meets okay step one but something's off when she's meeting her which we you pick up instantly yeah and then here's another mama who looks exactly like me I mean it we ran the risk that they you know they like because she was the new brothel mahom that they would of course write another robot host for her so I knew that was rich but it was just and she even knew because it's not like you daughter read to and be like mom mom you know she even Maeve was like hello how are you yes a good point and and then we didn't know it was gonna be a carbon copy of Maeve not even when they replace Peter Abernathy for Dolores was it the same exact look no she's different no I mean the father like when they replaced Peter Abernathy no but is correct I'm saying there was a striking difference between Peter Abernathy's Oh where's this one was these looks so similar this is like the Hollywood casting we need so much african-american English lady he's they're like 30s up well we got a whole box looks like when a soap opera like switches actors yeah like hey did the B which things England that's exactly what it is yeah but always still really sad that she was like mom this lady that looks like you her monkey well the attack happens mom gets killed basically yes can then sandy nucleus attacked then Fanny Newton's character may have grabs her daughter exactly like she did in her memory starts to take her into the field and falls exactly like she does every time the ghost nation attacks so my big question is like what is this ghost in is this a loop running its course is this what has the daughter been doing since you know the uprising shouldn't she have been conscious like why is she still in her loop why is this new Maeve still in her loop this ghost nation thing like what's going on isn't been a couple Oh like a at least a week since all the robots you know started waking up potentially yeah what is this loop that's happening great question yes go station it's like oh we're not attacking you come with us but then yeah Zane McLaren on the same one we've seen through all these recognizes that may have is very powerful he recognizes that like she speaks his language and she's communicating with him and she seems and feels different and maybe this is what drew them there maybe she is the reason why the ghost nation continues to return to this home site I only showed up when she came right maybe it's not a loop maybe it is like a storyline but maybe they're the reason or she's the reason they came back again this time another scene I want to just quickly get into is one of my favorite scenes was the Emily and man in black scene good for a lot of lot of reasons could be saw them see each other at the end of an episode and a half ago basically and then now they're actually getting to talk and they're riding together but the campfire part so why don't I get to and he's like oh he is thinking it's a Ford thing but didn't get the vibe because it wasn't like shots the way the other ones were there was the music and also the fact that he thought that made me think it isn't exactly that's probably opposite but I just love that there was this openness he kind of little more about his backstory and the mother's backstory and what kind of happened and how she's putting all the blame on him I don't I just really like that scene and then they go to sleep and she wakes up and sees that everyone's gone and now sober is so discipline I mean I liked it that I was like could she be the reason he stopped his quest and that's what she said like suicide by robot like don't do it for me and he's like is that a threat and she's like no I'm just asking you as your daughter would you quit this pipe dream or whatever you want to do to spend time with me in the real world and he's like yes and then he's like no yeah that was I think that scene also raises a lot of questions because his facial expression really shows how confused he is at certain points she's talking about how first of all Charlotte Hale invited her to the gala banquet creepy thing number one look so let's go into that why why do you think I come back okay - she then tells him here's what I did all these things here's where I went and here's what I did and here's how I got to you and then three he's like yeah I remember you were terrified of the elephants and she goes no no no I love the elephant's mom was terrified of the elephants and everything about this place and his facial expression is she's telling him all these things conveys so much the Charlotte Hale part he's like what why and then the here's where I went to the powder palette my favorite place she's like until I was old enough I went to the pleasure palace I wrote it he's like that moment too before a classroom is the fact that we're actually seeing him a little bit more like will you can actually burst before we're seeing William be more men in black he's actually his it's mossad kind of melted during that moment some of that might be confusion but I think some of us also just like this is who he is this is the guy we see outside right the most we've seen right emote yeah then she talks about the being terrified the elephants and he's like wait like how could I have misread this and again it connects to William because I think a lot of his you know life in the real world was spent pretending he didn't actually care he didn't want to get to know the human and that's why when she was like oh will you leave I was like he's probably not he knows more about the host inside the parks any sooner than he does about his own daughter his own wife and Emily knows more about that elephant but she like the robot elephant that she like he knows more about Laurens horse yeah so the fact that you forgot it's like not it's disappointing but not unexpected right X you're not the best I think it's it's just a transition like you said from straight man in black to like oh this is William in black Oh what would either of you like to have seen him have woken up in the morning gone off and like yeah you know what I'm talking me out of it would you guys either of you but like okay that's that's satisfied to add a character yeah I knew I mean it was really hopeful but I knew he wasn't good I'm like no there's no way he was like pack it up boys I'm gonna spend time play catch it he did exactly the way you would think to is just to leave her behind I'm just surprised that you could sneak three guys away on a horse and I wake up early and she seems brake very like attuned to everything I'm like yeah like yeah I'm sleeping in and the whole camp is packed up and wake up like he was really tired he did get her to drink a little so we don't know how much they drank after that conversation so maybe she was hungover and may be roofied her so going back to roofie and second it kind of looked like he took the horse her horse yeah I just left with no way out of there okay go ahead go oh I wanted to talk about the Charlotte Hill comment yes cuz you thought it was something I didn't think it was anything I just thought she invited at the gala she didn't go but you think something more nefarious might be yeah well first of all we know that and what we learned in that conversation too that Emily really was kind of being groomed to take over Williams position she's the next in the blind she is Adela sort of so she would be the next like I'll be a choice to take over that's one so obviously Sheryl invited her for that reason she knew they went on good terms though so that's a little hinky of her to do then we get the timeline Charlotte invited Emily Emily said no but still came to the park she spent a couple days exploring the Raj a few more days exploring the pleasure palaces and then all hell broke loose she said so she was there for like a week ish yeah in the beginning of that one episode three or four that we saw that was actually a very condensed look at her week before the uprising which I find interesting this because it gives us kind of a firmer timeline of dates and days I thought it gave us a better picture because when she was there meeting that guy with the little shit off thing the gun still worked then I guess maybe a week or something and then the guns I don't work or I've worked in a way yeah worked against the people so I guess that means like maybe all of season one took place in about a week potentially I am okay something else to hear that a really quick inner episode is Teddy its badass he's just me now he's just mean and shooting people left and right because he goes you can see a little bit of Dolores is like yeah and her friend the one with the the crown Angela and Angela yeah she kind of digs this new Teddy but I just do it yeah do it yeah well then they had a previously there robot had like a relationship thing before Dolores and Teddy did I think - I think that when Dolores looks at Teddy after he like shoots the tech I heard the Curb Your Enthusiasm music so real quick what are you help stir into the next new next episodes Kailyn I want to dive deeper into the cradle I want more info on if that's Ford if that's Ford inside of Bernard like maybe his data was what was in Peter so now it's in Bernard you know maybe he took that from Abernathy or maybe it's Ford because Ford was the second human pearl that we created I'm this is kind of random but I'm waiting for Stubbs to just do something big because Charlotte Hale put him down she was like finally you're caught up and he's like hey I'm head of security like you didn't yell me anything she's like well Stubbs come on yeah and she's like well I guess you're not gonna get her a good review then this Delta key comes Delta team comes and like puts him down he's like you know I'm gonna fuck this noise orc is really hard to sweep I'm gonna and I think he's gonna do something not like great or anything but I think Stubbs is gonna come because they're like just beating him down they really are my hope is we get to see tied to the create a little bit but specifically Elsie Bernard because I feel like LC and Stubbs are kinda like underrated heroes where's they're not the 1% owners of the thing they're not the beautiful robot people they're just the people who make it all work but no I said such a nice thing he's like if anyone could correct the ship from sheer will it's you and she's like that's nice yeah and so I'm hoping to see where that goes what a nice complement stay maven Lee maven Lee and that moment you know Thank You moment still have worlds we haven't seen yet and they're still hopes that maybe we get to get a taste of something else out there that we don't know about but until then we'll just have to see so thanks again for checking out this week's episode if you have questions you can leave them in the comments also make sure you subscribe you could also like our video that helps us feel good too if you have questions you can also tweet at us I'm at trick callin I'm at Lynn LA I miss CP also good our website cnet.com slash Westworld normally we toast but what should we do you have drinks today I'm sorry I feel great invisible chalices who do you want to toast you I would say let's toast to Akane we do her last week let's toast some liam8 thanking each other and having that nice moment and then him betraying a lot of positive personal sounds like where's your challenge this is this is like the hopefully the sparkle ting ting ting till the inmates