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welcome to the west-world morning after after show I'm Patrick I'm Caitlin I'm Lin and we're all CNN editors who are big fans of the show Westworld today on our show we get to talk with actor James Marsden who plays Teddy flood and I'm going to make a variation of the last word and we'll be recapping episode 5 akane know my so if you don't like spoilers you should probably leave now what are you doing here if you don't like spoilers yeah why did you even click on this video what do we think just general thoughts when we saw this episode we're finally I'm happy about it it's good to be to feature it right in the middle of the season I think you know sometimes seasons hit a little bit of a lull and then just having Shogun just inject some really good energy into it some bloody fantastic energy yeah I like the one line the heads like yeah this is the sugar one else for the people who think West world's a little tamer like ever done that but okay I mean we see that with her that was unexpectedly bloody and yeah there's just so much violence but at the same time do you think it lived up to the hype it had do you think it lived up to the build-up of all this time ever talking about coming and seeing Shogun world did it live up to that for you guys yes ish I hope we're not done I hope by saying yes it's like met my expectations it doesn't mean that we're gonna leave show the world anytime soon I really enjoyed what we saw and I hope we get a little bit more I really liked it I felt it lived up to all my expectations and I just hope that it's not a sidequest that people that they're gonna continue with these characters and then it's gonna be all three parks with some mega uprising yeah I could agree more in fact we'd love to hear what you guys think fact you want you could take our poll do you guys think that Shogun world lived up to all the build up a tad and you can take it right now while you guys are doing the poll we're gonna actually go to Kaitlyn's cocktail corner and get this episode's cocktail today we'll do a variation of the last word using mezcal instead of gin it'll be equal parts mezcal maraschino liqueur green chartreuse and lime juice three quarters of an ounce of each shaken over ice and then strain into a glass oh I like this one's my favorite yeah good yay I'm glad you guys like it so as I was saying typically it's made with gin but I like miss calibers yeah we discussed this video discussing it so let's just jump right back in to Kiev and were like OOP there's so much so the first thing we want I think we should talk about is kind of the bizarro characters with it those are the mirror copy storyline which I thought was probably one of the funniest episodes of West Road we've seen and and then how even the characters reacted to the doppelganger so I love I just love the pasting of it because it's not very obvious but you're but once the music starts like wait a minute we're seeing this stick up with the vault and then watching the characters from West world seeing that this play out and they're like oh my god I'm not even an original person and I really like how Hector didn't like his doppelganger he's played by an actor called Europe named Hiroyuki Sanada he's from the og ring so I really loved him and he's just such a badass he's from los 2 which as the parallels between West world and lost everyone's like oh don't you know jump off the deep end here West world in second season that really reminded me of lost I was like oh love him loved his roles and all kinds of different stuff he's been in a lot of - like sci-fi properties extant helix a couple other ones but yeah I like him I like him yeah I love the way they reacted to their doppelganger I loved that they each had a different one yeah or a different interpretation I mean yeah like Armas is likely in love with her doppelganger dude that's kind of them when the Armistice is tied up and she warns I don't we don't I don't think she hasn't even but I was just calling her like the dragon lady yeah when the dragon lady is like and we can't lie to her like even a snake could be a dragon and then she's such a frayed there's this is a moment of like bewilderment and we've never seen armistice act like that before or like oh man she's badass and now she's like just melting well she was the first one to to recognize that they were them she goes boo well I have to say that was on the fair part was seeing Li react to all this because I thought last season maybe his characters a little bit of a douchebag I'm not the only one who thought that but this character this season you can see he really cares about the host not only their stories and how they react like in the last episode with maven Hector but here you could see like he's really proud like hey you have a lot of stuff we may have recycled things but he knows exactly what's going on even if it doesn't go exactly the way he thought it would yeah I also like it how they were kind of hating on him it's like you just copied us he's like look you try to write so many narratives it's fine I didn't know oh no they they said like oh please dries is like it's not plagiarism look I copied my own self writing team yeah is it really just Lee in a basement just writing on he's like it took me will you try coming up with 300 different stories in two weeks like okay yeah I could see Ford being a hard boss to work for however one of the most brilliant things I thought I think it's pretty clever and I hope there's more payoff like this it's like oh you guys already all know how to speak the language it's buried in you you just have to you have to find it and I think that's also not only for the language but there might be some other things we see later with Maeve where that's true where there's maybe some capabilities they all have but they just don't aren't able to use them or aren't always accessing them but when she starts speaking Japanese and when Simon and when Lee starts speaking Japanese it's just really cool I think she's reminding me a lot of Neil just she's just transcending she's having all these superpowers she's learning she's catching on to everything really quickly she's always the first one to learn all the languages and all this stuff and I just think like she's just kind of she's basically kind of the one and I love the shot where she's walking past while all those samurais are killing each other I'm just like I'm just gonna do my boo do magic on you guys and it's weird because I feel like we're setting up we've always set up for Dolores to kind of be the one and maybe she is the one else also but it's a very different we see two different ways this kind of new freedom they have are playing out with Maeve and Dolores I think that Maeve and Dolores are two sides of the same coin we see that Maeve is tapping into these innate abilities that yes they might all have but not all of them are awake enough to realize hey they have them or be they can access that I think too when we see her preparing for when the ninjas come and when she kind of does her voodoo magic I think she's you know we would call it telepathic but in reality as a host she's using that mesh network and manipulating it to her own ends so even though Lee kind of gets a little standoffish and a little scared of her she's not able to control him she just can run the but the hopes it's I think there's a bit of that he's frightened but else I think he's also just really curious at this point like what the hell's gonna happen how far can it go how far could it go and like what is happening because I don't think he really understands exact was happening with her but he knows something is happening he's seeing all the tangible aspects absolutely I think he might betray them too because him and may are disagreeing so I know you said that he started or he's trying to care a lot about the host but I think with this set he's really disagree with me if he doesn't know if you know her course of action is the best course of action and we see him steal like this kind of like walkie talkie and keep it to himself and we've seen in the beginning that he has thrown me under the bus before so he might do it again he has the secret walkie talkie we don't know why he do you think do you think there's a canyon witness to his interest or do you think he's just putting on that facade for Maeve and Hector I mean he's a survivor I think that's basically he's doing this to survive through Westworld and then if the time comes where he needs to betray them maybe he will to survive as well so yeah I think he's always gonna put himself first and what's interesting too is to her favorite supporting characters Felix and Sylvester they're there but I get lost in the shuffle but they're no weird wake up like like us is the audience is reacting like what so the episode is called a con a no my which we looked up and it's akane dances so we kind of knew we'd see something about that here but you were really talking about how a chi is a little different from mave akane actually has someone who is like a daughter to her yeah that's her narrative and it's it's cool to see Maeve see witness her doppelganger have a kind of slightly different narrative it's not like maybe isn't motherly she did have Clementine in Mariposa but it's just nice to see her seeing the differences also and and the actress who plays akane Rinko Kikuchi she's just so great and she you could see like all the pain it's such a muted performance but I really loved her throughout the whole it's so powerful yeah and what else was she from she's from a specific rim boy people trash on it but that's a good really great and I was like one of my favorite lines of the episode was a moment between her and Maeve when he says you can be whoever you want like and there's like definitely this like empowerment going on but also it's weird because they're parallel but they're very different it's the same speech that made gives to some of the people that come into the thing but it's just kind of nice hearing it in just a slower pick it was just so meaningful and poignant versus like oh you can go screw and shoot everything it's actually kind of deep so you'll remember previously when Mae was giving that speech in the very beginning of the west-world season one we saw her have that more muted performance we saw her give that lower tone slower drawn-out Oh faraway look kind of thing and they actually didn't like how it was playing with the customers so they upped her aggression and they upped her horniness for lack of a better word so that more patrons would respond to it because she was a madam and that's what she was there for yeah but that speech never really resonated with me when she was telling you know the customers you could be whatever you want is kind of like right what you said like you could basically fuck whoever you want but then when you hear it just basically the same speech with a different audience for a different context it's just so sad she's telling her daughter figure that this one right yeah or even think of it like sisters talking like it's like yeah you can you can do this like we have this in common and I'm further along in that journey that you are but you can be whoever you want I mean I believe you I'm an only child but also there's like some total like no Lee shit where it's like yeah we're going to say those same lines and have them have much which is the whole doppelganger setup right it's very much look out this situation changes when we put it in a different setting look at how everything reads differently when we transplant it and I love that about this episode what do you guys think about there was a lot of action in this episode what do you guys think about all the action scenes I really love the action I thought that actor Sanada was just so good with his combat training and sword fighting is just so badass and it's weird because we there's always been parent listening like westerns and samurai movies like the famous one Kurosawa movie that got remade into the Magnificent Seven but there's a big difference between a gunfight and a samurai sword fight and I think that was part of the fun or that's what I've been hoping for for Shogun where it's like the fights are now maybe bloodier but there's so much more attention because you're so much physically closer to somebody with a sword or knife not that there's no guns yeah okay well and then we start that's actually a great line and I can't remember this set of so you can help me if I get hurt I think it was like they were under estimating them like what did I tell you about bringing a sword to a gunfight yeah and they just beat their ass guys lots of them yeah now now didn't anybody tell you about bringing a sword to a gunfight and then all of a sudden the dragon lady lassos that this is awesome I also like that in really small detail is that when they are being held hostage the knots it's like in the Japanese and I started good not I really like the attention - yes Oh Judy knows so good you can see on their backs even their hands and things like that oh so while that's going on another storyline that's going on is Dolores and Teddy and man that is well some lifetime shit happen in there you know now they finally make some robot love yeah you see we see some robot ass yeah it was hard to kind of is I didn't know what I was looking at was like an elbow or a shoulder that was actually a highlight of episode for me it's like the elbow it remind me a lot of the opening sequence so just the up-close body and curves and stuff like I remember in the first season the opening titles were two hosts having set yeah yeah but the storyline is so tragic because Teddy you know he's just doing everything right he genuinely cares about her and she's just like you know some people don't deserve it and you're too soft so I'm gonna crank up your aggression what do you guys think of that moment i'm julie regret it what if he's like a terrible person she didn't outright kill him that's her well did she go metaphorically kill him though because it's like hey we're gonna have this amazing night of love and then i'm gonna completely she did she did black widow him first sure it's a little scary I don't think Teddy Teddy has gone forever like I don't think our nice guy teddy as you're saying is gone forever right she did bump his aggression all the way up I'd say a lot more aggressive but that didn't they didn't we didn't see them dragony thing down his loyalty didn't go down nothing else kind of really enthusiast it of course of course however I don't think all of Teddy is gone plus what if bumping his aggression up wakes him up oh yeah so she could like he's against her and he's like oh yeah any aggressive but I'm still the same Teddy with the same beliefs and I'm holding on to the moment they had because I there was so much satisfaction I think while we were watching it one of the eyeshadow I was like we never never gotten to see this part because he's always fighting off the guests who ends up getting do yes they said before that his role is specifically just for the guests to beat up so they get to do Dolores so it's nice that they do I mean before the scary thing happened but it's nice that they have some moment to themselves but they were kind of nervous about it kind of I mean like not to talk about virginity a little bit but it was a different thing they probably hadn't so much sec to so many people where a guess but this they are actually choosing to do that and I thought in a weird very poetic way the way they shot that scene as well was much more about them being together in that Union which just set us up for when they ripped it apart and like were to make you more aggressive see what happens I also there's so Starcross because the last really nice scene that we saw together with him was in the last episode of first season when they were on the beach and they were saying goodbye and then it there's the wide shot where it's just for the audience and you're like and that was so jarring and so perfect and then this time something Bad's got to happen because they they're these two Cathy no no it's great for shadowing in same same level of now we've been trained that when something good happens we know it's gonna be couple something bad will follow well yeah that's a great segue because speak of something good happens we got to talk to James Marsden who plays Teddy flood and so we're gonna throw it out of the kitchen and let's pick it up with interview with Jason thanks for speaking to saying it today thanks for sitting down with me I read that you were on a need-to-know basis with season one when it came to scripts were you just as confused as we all were watching yes yes yeah the first season I didn't even maybe one or two episodes in I would try to figure it all out and understand where it was all going and what the end game was and then once I you know my hand got tired of knocking on the the writers door like what does this mean with his mean then they would sort of respond in a very gracious informative but not informative way I would like okay they don't really necessarily want me to know so I started going more down the path of surrendering to not knowing so I was okay with with not necessarily you know as long as I knew what was going on like that I was informed for what scene we were shooting at the time I didn't need to necessarily know that you know what the puzzle looked like at the end did you guys have any crazy fan theories or what's the weirdest fan theory I heard during during the making of the show the conversations that were common were like oh X is a human or X is a host and you'd you know it's like Ford is a host or like you know Ed Harris is a host your buddy you know all these other you know Barnard is a host and so there was a lot of that going on it's like who's a robot who wasn't but as far as like you know the really you know the bigger picture reveals of what this you know this is where the story goes and what the whole point of this journey is I think we all were like you know what I'm not smart enough to understand it just yet so we just kind of like set back and let it reveal itself in its own time yeah that's probably a good way to do it so best way to watch the show - yeah um season two obviously a lot has changed what are you most excited to see fan reactions - you know the whole first season the the hosts were the ones that you empathized with and you know they were a population of people who were the oppressed essentially and now you know what happens when when the power dynamic shifts and this group of people now have the stronghold and what that does to the allegiances of the audience like are we gonna still feel empathetic for these people you know sometimes when that group of people who the oppressed you know they start to take on the behavior of the oppressor so these are things that we we just discuss or we explore this this time around so it'll be interesting to see where they're empathise the audience's empathise lie we saw in the trailer that Dolores says that um the hosts are fighting for the right to live pretty deep question for you do you think robots should have as many rights as humans in this world do you think that they should well yeah I mean I think the show asks several deep questions like that I think one of the great things you know if you were at the core of the show it is asking what it means to be human it if you have these sentient creatures who are programmed to accrue memories have experiences exhibit human-like emotion behavior what keeps them from being human why aren't they human so you know in at the beginning of the first season you see these characters being used and abused to really kind of sickening levels that's at some times and so that's why the audience the first season was like oh my god the the humans are despicable these these creatures are virtuous thereby does they're designed by humans but why am i siding with them because they're being you know they there's a purity to them that is being abused so I love that the show asks these questions it's you know we're holding a mirror up to ourselves and asking really what it means to be human and if a thing that's made out of nuts and bolts and wires and can have a soul or feel how is that any lesser than human being james marsden you're an actor singer dancer former Versace model how do we know that you're not a robot you don't it's a very robot thing to say why don't I throw some questions or requests yes Siri answer let's start with Bernhard's favorite do you ever question your own reality often alright you're on a runaway trolley approaching a fork in the tracks and on the left are all these evil robots from West world and all this morality test okay singing robots from it's a small world who are you gonna crush what's on the other side evil robots from West world singing robots from it's a small world well I would argue that the robot the evil robots from West Road or not so evil I would I would probably I have a bias there so I would I would probably mow over the small world once because I see that those were built in the fifties but walking in the desert when all of a sudden you see it toward us and you bend down and flip it onto its back why do you do that James I didn't do that good answer all right final question you've done a lot of Hollywood interviews now do you ever feel inconsistencies in your world or repetitions sure yeah but that's life and it's like there's a there's a random formula to at all that maybe isn't so random if you look at it from a full abstract way this is how our show run our talks to us by the way you get no answers you just you just here abstract answers but yes I think that's part of it if it's too linear I wouldn't trust it I guess all right James man I think you're probably not I just messed my way through all of those questions that's the best way to do it that's how humans do it thanks for speaking with saying that no you got it all right welcome back to the kitchen we are going to jump straight into our third timeline kind of where we saw Bernard Carl strand Kosta and we had a glimpse of Teddy and hundreds of other hosts that were piloted so we can kind of infer that they have been dredging the lake ocean they just have the pool net yeah and they're there they're fishing out how to swim the pool to be that board like all right tech you're gonna be fixing out dead naked people who you don't know okay why are they oh if they're not naked you have to make a meal you have to undress them yeah we don't want to lose the clothes I'm all out undress them throw them in the heaps we also see them pulling out their light bulbs yeah they're trying to see what they have seen right so Kosta is looking at them and he's seeing like a lot of them have missing a 30 mm ry shit yeah what wait why who do you think did that what do you think happened to that I bet it rhymes with Bernard oh I don't know because we obviously you said that line at the end of the first episode and every time I say that line you are you make like so I was like ah so Mike maybe is it a lie just but not think he did it but something can wiped out almost all of those hosts one of the most disturbing shots there's so many in this episode with violence is just seeing the met all the hosts naked piled up kind of lifeless on top and seeing Bernard see that I just that to cook me up really bad Bernard looks like he has some serious PTSD and I know he says he can't remember but you see him staring lifeless at these empty hosts and you're just like oh my god poor Bernard yeah he's seeing some shit yeah I feel for him as strange as that sounds I know thinks he thinks that he killed them I saw him in the camp that he did not do that but for him to see that and come to grips with that and be like oh my gosh I did this so if he didn't kill them the natural question is who did kill them themselves maybe maybe he posited that that maybe they just wipe themselves maybe they wipe themselves in an accident but would it who prompted them to wipe themselves so I have this theory I know what I'm getting that yeah it's very that Teddy who we see in one of these hosts kind of laying there lifeless or teddy poor teddy teddy flood Teddy but got a lot of play this episode by the way I'm here for that yeah I'm on I'm okay with the female gaze but there's a lot of long claws and a james marsden contract Oh another butt shot okay did we ask him if that was his but for real I don't know oh yeah I remember when he talked about the but in the interview yeah but that way if we have the book so my theory is that when Delores bumps his aggression up and we see her kind of wanting him to take more initiative and kind of wake up that he is actually the one who destroys the cradle and kind of sort of kills slash wipes all these hosts including himself because I think that he's being a Trojan horse I think that he's going to wake up I don't think any of those hosts are really like truly dead as we know what his dead may never die oh wait that's Game of Thrones and that applies here six serious oh boy did you feel it worked a Sex in the City yeah so there's a really strange season right yeah what's up as we know what is dead may never die when it comes to robots and I think that teddy is going to you know either be awakened or wake himself up and his ultimate goal was to be in the Mesa to either capture other data or to start leaving start getting out of the park so going along those threads here what snow look it still talked there I think it's fine is uh if he's the one who's controlling teddy himself he's anyone exactly well or is a delivery I would say of listening this I think it's actually a brilliant theory but I wonder if it's more dolores and those that's her play is manipulating teddy - in which case his journey would take him like that in which case she's the one who comes off with no blood on her hands in a sense or no cortical fluid on her hands I wonder is like she should have you know kind of tweaked other things like loyalty and like compassion because if he didn't believe she didn't yeah cuz if he's aggressive but he's not any of those things he could like turn on her very quickly and how is she gonna control that well I guess she could get that tech to do it again I don't like that army of people to control yeah you know I just tossed Teddy let him do he's soft he's just not cut out for this let him go you know and then just get all the other people that she rather we know she has no qualms about killing people she's like and not everyone deserves to make the journey well I mean no she has no qualms killing someone who disagrees with her reporters actually agree with her exactly and we know she still has the tech guy cuz we see him walking onto the train so we know they're going on that journey together let's talk about the trick because I also think that's like a little bit of a buried moment - I think we know where that's going and was yeah we think going to Mesa hopefully if we think it's going to Mesa but but they did build those weird random train tracks though in correct direction where are they going yeah because it was going west as opposed to north north and even though that was last episode that was one of the images it was just amazed was disturbing for sure the bodies becoming the rails for them also what's gonna happen when those bodies decompose cuz those rails are getting it's gotta get off the rim because I only were doing it for the Train okay I was just like this is just bad infrastructure like log must make log well but I mean I I do think that the the train they were on they they want to get to Peter and she knows that that's one exit out of the park so like a western cut him off the pass kind of thing hmm literally was good exactly so what were your favorite absolutely favorite moments of this episode then my favorite moment was Felix when his the mean lab guy was like can't you talk to them and he's like I'm from Hong Kong asshole that was just so it made me laugh out loud as an asian-american that really hit me in a very personal space and thank you Felix for saying that I really appreciated it and semester to jerkface yeah Sylvester well we already knew he's just there as a foil to be a poopface he's very good at it yeah my favorite moment was somebody allude to earlier with Maeve taking control and that moment when she's just look at least at that first moment the first moment she looks at that samurai and he pulls his sword down and like almost kind of boughs to her I just like the magic of that moment I know later I know it's connected probably - you're like oh I have a bluetooth Wi-Fi mesh network with all the other hosts I understand that but that would be cool it'd be like one of those things or it's like if there was like a button like it was off the whole time like it would be so cool but just the magic of that moment it's like maybe she has transcending her her robot in this not only has this human but also maybe as a knight like almost like a deity or something like that I don't know what was your favorite moment I this was a packed episode I really loved this episode I love it is my favorite episode next to see episode 2 episode 2 in this episode is probably my favorite so far it's one of my yeah top for the season so far we're only halfway through though we got time we got time this episode was jam-packed it had the painted black theme redo which I loved I loved the idea of these doppelgangers we all are always like oh everybody has a doppelganger somewhere everybody has their twin out in the world but so rarely do you get to interact with them and experience that I thought that was awesome but the main moment where I just I kind of gasp and I couldn't stop watching was a comment when she's actually dancing or when she rather starts to dance and she's standing there with Sakura to her right and Sakura is kind of timid the Shogun of starts to approach her she kind of tries to hide and then he's just like stab stab okay now you can have her please dance and you could take her with you and her dead body its worst circumstance to dance under holy cow and then comes the moment where a Kanye just wants to stab and kill him so badly and we know she has a temper she already did it before with his emissary she's so down to just take that temper and stab someone and she harnesses it and she holds it in just takes a deep breath and then she dances and her dance is so good also to a painted black version mm-hmm and then she gets close to him she titles up to him she's like oh stop dad stop and let me do that she should at the moment she was like reaching for 100% but that doesn't take away from how about prominently amazing it was and it was so satisfying seeing absent happen because but another part of that too was seeing made see her do that like yes I love us we're so great we're so kilee yeah and she's adjusted to remember she was like cranks all the way up this is a client we don't know tech ever adjusted her this is just her being og Akane and she's like yeah all right that's been our episode 5 Akane know my recap you can ask us any questions dive into how wrong our terrible theories are on Twitter I'm Kaitlyn at misty pete i'm patrick at Rick Holland that's better call in about the first two letters and I'm Lynn laughs subscribe like one of those you can also go to cnet.com slash so who should we make a toast you guys Teddy's but honey honey I think Teddy's much good but if I really shine in the shinier than Teddy's but this poetry Center Schwartz to Akane although it was a well lit but do you think does like the makeup oh yeah you got an outer that yeah here be too shiny no it's actually is on fuck