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hi and welcome to the West world's morning after after show I'm Patrick I'm Lin I'm Caitlin and we're all seeing that editors who are big fans of the show Westworld today we're going to talk about episode 2 titled reunion reunion of who I don't know but if you have not seen season one or season 2 you probably shouldn't be watching us unless you're like our mom or dad hi mom hi dad but yeah who are you what are we reunion being here a lot a lot a lot everything from the past to the present I guess probably not the future but we're not a hundred percent sure where we exist on all these timelines right yeah yeah really I think a lot of the big themes of the episode revolved around Delos and the company and how you know we know so little about it up until this episode we really got our biggest look yet at Logan dillos his father James dela Papa dillos and how William came to Lake edge his way into the company I think it was really fascinating yeah that's also I feel like sometimes when you have like those sequels where like you see like famously the sequels of The Matrix really I don't want to see all like the behind the scenes stuff of the company here I thought it was done really well I don't really like it and I was like really excited I might you could just lead the whole episode in this like first timeline yeah and it was fascinating to me if that's a need to see let's start with Doris looking out the window she was part of the Argos initiatives pitch they were gonna bring to show Logan Dell owes and proved to him like look where we are in the world of robotics look how far we've come look what we can do we can pretty much trick your brain and we learned that Logan got kind of discombobulated when he realized that everybody in the room with him was a hoax I loved it when he said I thought this is a private meeting and then she was like angela was like yeah it is dun dun dun and we're like am i in a flash mob is this what's going on it and he's like poking and prodding everyone and he really was just enamored by all these things and then he saw Angela and he's like alright cool first thing I'm gonna do is get yeah hey we have this Internet first thing we do is sex you have first thing you do is you haven't seen that price like you go straight for the face pretty typical technology but I liked it in that scene when it was like Angela and another couple with another man and male and female host so still sticking to the Logan bisexual Canon I feel which I appreciate I have like one of my favorite little moments of that that moment was seeing Clementine at the piano not also because they rickrolled us earlier and before the season aired they released that video for but also just the fact that we start seeing some that people we already know and a lot of hosts that we don't know and then on top of that like just as we think of like we're in the world tech we see tons of like product amounts of stuff like how badass of like a demos like that it's like oh she's not where all of them they don't even need one more thing that is your thing yeah one of your mind blow this is cool well I think that is really fascinating because the next one that we see of Dell is shortly after is william bringing papadelis to Westworld we can kind of assume you were took you and i were talking about it how this takes place after William and Logan have already been there right now he's working through what's had their issues yeah last you saw him was naked on a horse right cause he said he remarks on his son yeah he was like oh my screw-up of a son and we we know that if you end up naked on a horse something probably bad happen to you or it was college so a horse holy jalapenos OEC William is bringing della Sera to be like look at the potential that this place has look at how it could you know not only help people find themselves but also help us learn about them that's super creepy oh no I like that like papadelis Scottish maybe the house represents old money but also the fact that he just like lands a helicopter in the middle of this vulnerable world we saw in the first season and this literally kicks his feet up and I also it's kind of creepy that we see now it's like I kind of like Logan better than what I've liked Logan starting the last episode of first season why is that in that he was it was like revealed that Hewitt had more sense and he was more grounded than William because unlike William he never got lost into it and he was a little mean he was kind of stabbing a lot of the hosts but but he like never lost sight of what they actually were even though it was short-sighted that he didn't know that they could achieve consciousness but even then William didn't care about the consciousness either he was like infatuated but then he just started wanting to own the game as man in black and Logan was the in the end was like the one that had the good head on their shoulders it's like don't fall in love with these people like all right these machines and stuff like that and William on top of that it's like also gives the papadelis the like great piece of it-it's like look it's maybe not right now there's not money in this but like people are themselves from there they're free of all the things and like heirs they put on we could get a lot of information about that I think it's what happened to him yeah yeah yeah and they'll look at the data center like oh everyone wants to be a murderer and a rapist so I guess I don't know the value of that kind of data but yeah well I think I think it's like that yeah the family side of things is probably why I'm guessing this is before all six parks are running or however many parks yeah we have no idea what the timeline is on how they've created all six parks we know that there's West Portland's Shogun world but we haven't seen Shogun world yet and we know there's a park where that Bengal tiger came from still it feels like we're old sting look at it great I would never visit good luck even if I can't get injured like I'm good I'm out don't need to but I think it's interesting to to see that like William when he takes Delos around you see them all all the hosts freeze but William purposefully directs the action toward Dolores he purposefully knows exactly where she's gonna be he really like says the the can getting picked up and Dayla Della's kind of just throws it on the ground like he's still just zeroing in on her and it's another moment where we almost have that meeting and we just pass straight by but that's like that doesn't seem healthy like I don't think I want this guy given me as a CEO all this advice if I'd known that he what he I mean yeah my son messed up naked horse guy horrible experience I'm embarrassed the father but then if this guy's like obsessed with a robot and like is making decisions well he doesn't see that this I'm saying like it just I we see that at another level it is ridiculous and that being said the thing it's interesting the timing of that since again real-world especially with news of Facebook recently with selling our data as well as pretty much I feel like I've had my data stolen from everything from credit cards at this point to emails to social media so it feels like maybe Delos and Westeros a little more of her criticism about our modern culture and social media so we have the second part of our interview with Simon quarterman who plays Lee Sizemore and he actually talks a bit about social media and some of the other relevant themes of Westworld season 2 it's all well I think as well I think with social media it's all about creating a story of how you to be perceived to the outside world we're constantly we're all storytellers aren't we're all you know covering up our own story and how we'd like to be seen in this world and so that doesn't differ so much from Westworld so in a way we've all got a little likely Sizemore over there no self and we because it did the complexity of that of the scripts that we're reading and and you're getting thrown into it you know pretty quickly we're moving fast you tend to just concentrate pretty heavily on what's going on in your in your in your thrust you know you're through line your your story so I don't get so heavily bogged down with what's going on I get very brief you know I get a basic understanding what going on which which is great from when I'm watching it because it's things I didn't even know that I've popping up in front of me and it's wonderful I think it would be a story of redemption you know and a story of someone discovering really who they were you know and how they got to that who knows and how they had to have a what they had to go through in order to get there there would be would be the thing to think about I came off it about two years ago and it's honestly one of the best things I've ever done it's amazing how much space it takes up and you don't even know it until you've kind of got you got rid of it sucks you in and just the next thing you know you just scrolling through like everyone's life and then it's like an hours passed ablack Drive it myself around star wars I think Game of Thrones I think his points about social media are really valid we are writers we enjoy crafting tales and sharing those with people but the key point the key difference really in West world is that you aren't really crafting anything you're just trying to live you're trying to immerse yourself in this world and what's scary is now thinking that this corporation this multimedia conglomerate is watching you and judging all your movements it's scary like Facebook yeah I think the parallels are super easy to all the questions Facebook has been facing recently but I mean it gets to the bigger question like what they explore a little bit I think more in the first season is like why you would go there I mean the idea of like being in the Wild West or living out these fantasies is one thing but then within those fantasies and that's that that lovely scene and with papadelis is the fact that like that's what you're the most free is what they're theorizing yes on the flip side of that though that's also when you're most free it's also is not how we present ourselves online we don't present ourselves right that's who we are yeah but when we talk about this kind of judgement thing there is an interesting note that man in black says to Lawrence where he says that West world is a place for people to sit in peace and then that it's that kind of data he hinted at that data being collected but he says but the purpose is not judgment it's for something else and that is a hint to something what you said more nefarious is happening and I think that's like an interesting point that he brought up so one of the things that season one was those intricate timelines and I was curious to see if they were gonna be able to keep that up for season two but they certainly have it's like more intricate and even more disorienting which i think is maybe even a signal of like kind of letting go trying to make sense of it even though lots of people love that because the characters aren't making sense of that and I imagine even the actors aren't making sense of it but then that also brings us back to like are the things we happening kind of like the cyclical thing or is it like a predetermined thing I don't know what do you think kind of relates to I think and I keep thinking about this over and over again is the philosophy of like eternal return and it's this ancient Indian philosophy that people are predetermined and just destined to live out these lives over and over and over again and you're just kind of stuck on a time loop I like the idea that West world is presenting these kind of old philosophies and theories that have been thought about before I mean they're packaging it in a really sexy news video show with a lot of sexy robots but these things like eternal return have been explored centuries before it was written in this show do you think the show would work if the robots weren't sexy if they were more like normal looking I actually am kind of looking forward to a robot AI movie where there is no moral like moral friction about how beautiful this robot is and how much they want it like love it and have yeah like ex machina was the same thing I was like oh I fell in love with her is she really hit I'm like okay can we take out that element where you don't fall in love with a robot and they're not really good-looking and you just like then think about if they're human or not but instead of this me to fuck it is when they start thinking like oh maybe I shouldn't do this yeah but giving back to judgment a little bit I think it is interesting when you think of who is doing the judging - because we talked about some of our favorite moments and one of yours was when Dolores and may have met up again so talk me about that I super love that scene I liked when I was called reunion we don't we see them meet before but with now without any very like real substantial dialogue this one was great when they were just kind of meeting on the fly ins of the field and they were just such a badass women and they're like what's up and it was really good that they that Maeve kind of rejected Dolores is agenda because she was like I'm gathering this army we need to break free she's like I don't want anything to do with jealous you do whatever you want and if you're saying that we have a choice as you know as free as you say you are then you are gonna let me do what I want to do and I just like the idea that this kind of robot uprising not everyone's on board everyone has their different agendas maybe is looking for her daughter she doesn't want to well for now for the time being kind of show Delos you know a piece of their piece of their mind or anything so I like that Dolores and make me and then kind of diverge and I think I mean that that scene in particular and the one other one with Dolores with how she recruits the army and just basically if they don't join her she yeah shoot them all she has a tech to fix them brilliant yeah that point is really interesting because Dolores is all talking about how everyone has consciousness everyone is free now but she's kind of making their decisions for them like they're not free under her anymore she's just shooting them and then bringing them back to life and being like you're following me and I'm sure you can speak to this - you're like but does that mean it's because Dolores knows what's gonna happen like in three seconds this water is gonna fall from this corner in the river whatever like I got to put a glass there like she's already knows the future or is it more dictatorial because it's like that empowering freedom of breaking away from being a host I mean she definitely knows more than other ho she's kind of like just get on board and let's do this rebellion you guys don't know like what I know so stop doing your little small robot life living things and like robbing banks and eating at tables and farming barn houses and get on this revolution right now because we don't know what she knows either it's causing a lot of questions does she think that her way is the only way or does she think it's the only way because she's done it before or does she think that because she is the only one with this special dello snot like intricate meetings with William we we've only seen one and a half let's say in this episode does she actually possess that knowledge that we're just kind of well you're kind of acting like a dictator maybe you tone it down a little it'd be nice if she gave Teddy a choice so she's like so knowing what you know do you want to follow me or don't it'd be really cool if he was like man I really want to didn't I know he just pushes him into the world so frightened by her I think I think he is so like dude let's just run off into the sunset Oh yep those are the moments where I felt most like a game to me too because you have like Maeve following her agenda it's like she's moving across the game board you have Delores gathering her army have man and black trying to gather his army and it really is the first time in the show where it really felt like a game versus the saying it was a game he's like oh wow and this is like again I really had this idea that Ford is putting all these on purpose to a for a greater point to see what happens I also feel like he's playing even if he's not there he's playing through the robots against William which is one of my favorite scenes which is the men and black meeting one of my favorite actors Giancarlo Esposito playing Alonso but that scene when he meets a la Sol and is trying to not only convince him but also his men to join him and that they have to and then there's a he grabs Alonso and basically is like hey if you don't join me or your army your commander army team and they all turned the gun point at their head and killed himself and he has this great lines like hey this game is designed for but you have to play it like and we have to play it alone which i think is interesting because it's like because who else is playing the game alone all of them really if you think I'm Mavis Dolores has her like pieces together but she's really playing it alone it says Dolores William and main I also really like that scene because it shows that the man in black isn't as good at this game at living in West world as he was in season one it's very humbling like you see him struggle he's getting actually hurt and he loves it though yeah he's super you see one having a lot of fun but I want he knows where the he knows are the first-aid kits are and I want him to be a little bit more humbled I just kind of liked seeing him struggling because I feel like it kind of sucks that the only dude that's having a good time in this terrible world of suffering is Amanda Mike so I want him to kind of get a taste of his own medicine what was your favorite moment I actually think my favorite moment was kind of back to the del o Stein lines it's the third one we see and discrepancy whether it's like retirement party or a coordination between papadelis and William and we first look and see Dolores playing on the piano just where Clementine was previously this little girl comes up to her and she's like you're pretty oh thank you what's your name and the girl runs off and the little girl runs to Juliet who if you'll remember was on the picture that set Abernathy off and his Williams ex-wife wife why why he's mentioned that she died right okay so he's William's wife and then William steps into the frame young William do we go oh and he and Dolores make eye contact and there's this moment when I don't know if it's just projection or wishful thinking but it feels like you can see the flicker of recognition in her face and you're both like oh and he kind of feels it he walks toward her like oh I should talk to her and elif's just cuts him off just stops he's like stop stop playing girlie oh okay like the moment that William and Delores they keep missing their moment to meet it's like it's a it's not a good moment though or is it like a I know what you're gonna become moment I don't think it's I know you're going to come I think it's a really sad moment because William for all of his pleading to the opposite I think he truly fell in love with Delores I think he truly fell for this AI and it's hard for him to admit he still is really upset about the fact that he showed the most vulnerable piece of himself to a host did he admit it though later when he has her alone in the room and he's like I fell in love with you later that's later right so later he's sitting with her and he's like you're a reflection you're just exactly what I want you to be that's all I didn't fall in love with you I fell in love with the best parts of me how are the worst parts well it's very soap opera I mean that's exactly exactly and then while all that's happening we have and he has this crazy little drug thing what is that it's a little weird like it's a very organized it might mean he's just like a doing a tuberculosis test like that it's an allergy test him out gluten right nuts this is what you made but he has this great line he says to Dolores is looking out at the city and the stars are on the ground should we go back to that line and he's doing his little Domino heroin TB testing and he has this line that darling is a sound of fools fiddling while the fucking species starts to burn and I think that is that that line is so relevant for the series but also it's a lot of the things that we deal with in life too when we get something new and exciting we get so excited about it not to go back to Facebook or social media but I think of like the internet and how there's all this promise but we get so sidetracked with the belittling things the bullying things the sexual things of it that we lose track of it's true potential and I feel like in that case he's kind of declared Westworld or de lows whatever the six rules are going to make is doomed from the start and it's such a brilliant line and I wonder if that's also what he's registering in that moment of saying like we don't know what the data they're collecting but we know it's nefarious and her remembering that this is what's gonna burn humans down is this creation which later goes on to say that she holds the key and she knows the difference and she knows like where the weapon is right and we think maybe it was something that he was William was showing her I mean that terraformed area where maybe it was a you know something he buried there it could also be Arnold just showing the real world so right last line that she was talking about we don't know for sure what friend what old friend who was foolish showed her exactly what our thoughts for the next episode are moving forward what do you hopes for when I love this episode I think it was much stronger than the premiere even just because I like what timelines it's filling in especially whatever happened at Logan and the naked horse riding but I really want to see more of Dolores in this real world and I really want to see more of her gathering this army and basically kind of convincing she's kind of God she's like killing that I'm bringing back to life and she's like yeah you either follow me or you don't and if I saw that in real life if I saw someone like kill me and then bring me back I would follow I would go into that over there for sure what do you think what are your hopes for the next episodes you know I liked that one and two of this season have felt like two sides of the same coin like we could have watched them back-to-back and we would have you know felt like a few more questions were answered they kind of feel like they sandwich together very well and so I hope then the next ones we get kind of more contained stories like more episode by episode theories and questions kind of less I need the next week to come right now and more that was a great episode I want to talk about that yeah that's kind of I felt about this episode I mean I like the first episode of the season but man the second one in my it dis expanded the world in such a smart way and it's such like a theory way for me but then I think about again we got man in black sorry we have Dolores his army got Maeve doing her thing but then we know at least who says if it's fact that Bernard killed all the robots so yeah exactly right did he admit so where all this is going it's gonna be either really amazing and then if they can keep that up I'm excited for that I just hope it doesn't turn to like a letdown I mean I trust Nolan I trust Lisa joy but I do and I witness shows where they just write themselves in a corner and I really hope that they respect the audience makes know that we're watching and that everything kind of either is good and interesting and does every character kind of justice and I don't want it to be like it was all a dream the corners they wrote themselves in the first season I gotta say I'm really happy the way they got out of it and are launching it this bigger world for every episode Caitlyn makes a special cocktail and for this episode the rigging and she made a mez cow mule so let's go to Kaitlyn it's a cocktail corner and see how she did it for episode two reunion we are making a mezcal mule with for a little bit of added spice the ancho Reyes verde made from poblano chili peppers just to give it a little bit of a bite and we'll use del maguey Vita mezcal so fill your shaker with some ice and then we're going to use equal parts mezcal and I'm sure Reyes we're going to put squeeze of lime in here we're gonna shake it up then when that's too cold to handle strain your in pour that guy out top with ginger beer Thank You Caitlin for the drinks first so that's our recap for the second episode reunion join us next week as we go over the third episode and let's give a little toast to actors Giancarlo