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What do we really think if Apple gets rid of the headphone jack? (Apple Byte Extra Crunchy, Ep. 19)

2015-12-04
from the top of the CBS interactive building in san francisco california it's the apple byte extra crunchy podcast with your host Bryan Tom what's up everybody what's up welcome to the show it's a polite extra crunchy episode 18 we keep on going stronger we're 18 deep deep 18 deep we've got sponsors now we've got you all interacting with the show we want to say thank you so much for listening we will jump into the show right away biggest headline right off the top according to Macotakara Japanese website Apple may replace the 3.5 millimeter headphone jack on the iphone 7 with an all-in-one lightning connector is this real is this I hope this is not real cuz this is bad news could this be true Bad News Bears Bad News Bears this headline for first of all Macotakara just from a reputable ax t you know standpoint they typically have been able to get out a lot of info very early before it happens like 67 months before it happens when I look at this my first reaction my gut reactions like know what are you doing but then I look at it a different way for example okay first of all what it what is Apple thing it has anyone actually requested Apple to bring to make the iphone thinner does anyone really want the iphone to be thinner that's an apple fetish they want everything to be thinner smaller skinnier so obsessed with it everyone has been begging for every phone company under the sun to give us better battery life you make this thing sinner and yes it's only gonna be one millimeter cording to the story by going with a lightning connector and removing the 3.5 millimeter headphone jack a standard that has been around since the 1950s that is literally still universal today Apple would be able to shave one millimeter off the iphone it would make it uh as thin as the current although not updated that often ipod touch yes i just don't see why we need this we don't need it and what I think what Apple's trying to do is set up another revenue stream if we have to buy adapters and we have to buy different cables and different things and change change our whole you know like everyone had the old-school iphone ipod players you know like just like a music player you plug in everyone had to buy new one of the new of those right you just have to replace too much stuff all the time it's it's a big pain keep on periscope were saying hey it's the iphone razor that's a shout out to the moto razr one of the like the hottest phone back in like two thousand or so yeah two thousand a little resurgence the last couple it did it did so here's another thing that I think about when Apple wants to think like this battery life should be key they have still yet to they always just like to note like to make a fact that o our battery has stayed the same you're just getting a slimmer model I'm at the point where I don't care the other issue that i have about this is that ok let's say you go lightning connector let's say you make it a millimeter thinner are we we're probably going to have to have an adapter oh we just we just have to now Apple will have to include that adapter what happens when you lose that adapter you have to buy another adapter you're going to lose that adapter 2999 30 bucks boom we're going like that okay another issue is that i think when i look at this like the ipod touch a millimeter thinner has still has a 3.5 millimeter stereo jack yes so you don't really have to get rid of it per se you they could probably they're the they're one of the top engineering design design companies in the world you tell me to get rid of that no okay the other thing though that I think is interesting and someone point this out maybe there should be some innovation from a standpoint of can we universally yes three point five millimeters is the standard could we make a thinner one of that and eventually because before it was bigger before right was it a quarter Jack before III don't remember I don't think it was ever a quarter we had like for example right with you with these uh studio headphones right you have you have that plug yeah you have an eighth inch Anna and a bigger plug correct these adapters for that so is there it's not happening overnight or anytime soon could they could we see a smaller 3.5 millimeter jack like a two millimeter jack one day still that would suck because so many people plug their iPhones into like a stereo aux cable an issue oh it do you want to charge your phone and listen to music at the same time how you gonna do that oh I have to have a bluetooth speaker now and then I have to charge my bluetooth headphones I'm saying you have to charge everything now to use it people people are like hey this is cool maybe they're gonna make it thinner and apples going to give us a wireless charger I don't think people understand actually wirelessly charging your phone is actually kind of annoying yes from a standpoint of it's less efficient you don't get as much of a powers you actually have to put it on that plate a lot longer okay the other standpoint is you have to have a dish you have to have a plate to put it in I actually you know with some of the devices that I've had phone wise it's it's not as convenient as you think because let's say you go on vacation you have to bring a little dish with you yeah you got to bring them you got to bring that with you now maybe you guys don't care but you have two wireless charging is in like all these starbucks how many people do you actually see it using wireless charging right now it's not there yet and then when we talk about just wireless devices like Stevens I'm out bluetooth headphones I want a headphone that when i plug it in or when i use it is going to work no matter what I don't want to have to rely on the fact that my headphones need to be charged for me to use this phone man I can't listen my Kanye dude my headphones aren't charged okay yeah exactly your your Kanye my Kanye my our Bieber in fact our beaver well we were talking about beaver like two episodes ago all the comments on the show we're like Bieber bite backing me up you guys are killing me we talked about four cameras not talking about it they're gonna call the beaver bite again place yeah it's just the big pain in the butt man I don't want to have to charge my headphones I don't have to charge my bluetooth speaker I don't want to have to live in a in a field of Bluetooth frequencies also okay then let's talk about this let's say they put it on the single Lightning port adapter uh if there is no wireless charging on the phone is this adapter going to be able to split so you can still charge your phone while listening to it at the same time that's another thing adapter or are they gonna put two lightning ports on the phone adapter let's also talk about yet to change even if you they had two adapters on the phone let's let's let's hypothetically play this out if they had space to put 2 Lightning port adapter so one could be for power and one could be for headphones well that actually off centers every dock that's out there so you would need a new dock as well yes it's like those doing SE don't do it I wonder if they put out these rumors so that we can all vet it before you know they actually make a decision like let's let's put this rumor out there and see what everyone thinks about it you know I I'm not complain about because I see the benefits of it I think for a general user like me if the adapter supports charging and physical headphones at the same time I probably won't care yeah but what about I care about number one battery life yeah that's why I'll care yes now if they did this and said hey you're getting five more hours of battery life over the 10 that we promised then I'm all then I probably won't care as much battery life hasn't significantly increased with the new operating system it bumped up by like an hour just from overall optimization according to Apple I haven't really felt that it's that much better but probably cuz my i watch that I never uses draining all the power like for reals um but let's I'm just gonna you know what do you guys think yay or nay get rid of the headphone jack and go with just all lightning well I'll just look at these responses I mean yeah well do you think Apple would really do this I do think that they would do I would not put it past them but the only way that it could be cool if it's like Joaquin Phoenix's headphones and her that's the only way it would be cool you know just like wireless earbuds that might be you know I'd be down with that nenene no hell no hell yeh i got i what there's probably one yes out of every ten someone already criticized me they'll watch really bryon watch I think I said Apple watch as I say i watch I don't even know anyways again this is not an official statement by Apple these are the rumor horze uh it could be perceived as innovative but just making a phone thinner and removing a port isn't in and everything's you have to bring more to the table than that now why don't you work on that 3d touch even more that's what's innovative I'm still all up on 3d touch yeah I'm probably I I think it's amazing so have you felt like it's sped up here it's real subtle right like it's it's real soda subtle but more apps are starting to use it now what was the most recent app that got it that I was like really happy about what is it no Shazam hat so you don't have to open the shazam app now oh that's and then say yeah just like force touches am yeah that's good it's gonna pop in my head but this isn't about this exam is one of those that you need to get use fast too yeah like a song will be playing like on a radio or something you got your like rushing to get shazam out yeah there you exact that's the hit a little right yeah firstworldproblems yeah yeah I know 3d touch saved my life thanks Sam alright i'm just some more follow-ups to what's going around in the Apple world again these are rumors this is not happening we're not going to say bad apple or not because it actually hasn't happening but we we are we feel strongly that they would do something like this oh this is gonna be a very controversial subject for a while it's gonna be a hot topic and then what if they don't even do it I'm gonna give like out whatever yeah everyone forget about like I'm moving on with my life alright another report comes out um by 2018 Apple will actually be using OLED displays for their phones this would be according to economic Taiwan Daily News currently we know that Apple is using LCD we know that Samsung phones other phones are using OLED displays oled typically better brighter colors sharper images across the board you would have to obviously integrate with their 3d touch technology I don't know how far along they are from there it would hurt some of their suppliers more than anything but it would help the most LG and Samsung who are really the experts in OLED displays right now that would be fuck their manufacturing to support apple but I'm all about an OLED display on an Apple device yeah yeah I mean I is so small the screen so small for me I can't really tell a difference but I do tell a big difference on my redness on my retina MacBook big difference yeah anytime yeah so you know i i'd have to see it with my own eyes first so starting in 2018 we expect to see something like that also another rumor i was probably one of the biggest critics of the iphone 5c I've ripped on it mercifully and I wasn't trying to attack me I just thought it was it's it was completely opposite of everything that Apple had stood for before the Tim Cook regime but we have seen now look Apple is a different company we have two different sized iPhones we have an iPad pro that's allegedly according to Apple a multifunctional device something that tim cook himself criticized before and said who would want a refrigerator and a toaster well Apple made their refrigerator toaster it's called the ipad pro it copies or tries to be like a surface pro they've done that you know again with the iphone this is all right according to a digit times a new a 9 based 4-inch iphone is expected to launch in early 2016 the good thing about this it would also have an NFC chip inside so it would be compatible with Apple pay but this would be kind of like their iphone 5c it's a recording the report this is ming-chi kuo from digit times it would be based off of the iphone 5s design and it has four back there has some funky metal colors yet have some like metal casing and maybe they're gonna bring some like it'll be like the ipod nano colors on your phone that's cool like some metal metallic brushed aluminum type things like that I'm have to get one of these from my sister cuz she's still on a flip phone man what yeah she's like flip phoning hard so I'm like you gotta get an iphone she's like now I don't know if the I don't know if there's anyone here that's using a flip phone that watches are that's listening to our show I'd be surprised if they are I give am a major props Adele uses a flip phone really in the video hello are you oh man that that uh yeah everyone's making fun of that video I'm aren't we're doing something like I don't know I don't know anyways a lookout for that expected to be in early 2016 the kind of iphone 4 see I wonder like I'm known I don't know they haven't said what they would actually call the phone yet but we will see and then just kind of finally wrapping all things up iphone related Samsung has now agreed to pay apple 548 million dollars as part of their kind of long-standing patent dispute that at one time was at 1 billion dollars over time things have been reduced and thrown in appeals courts and gone back and forth and forth so now Samsung has agreed to pay 548 million dollars this is from the lawsuit or the patent filings uh sorry not patent filings this is from the trial apple vs samsung where samsung had their phone model concepts that were like all old-school buttons d-pad navs yeah and then the iphone came out and then after that Samsung pretty blatantly copied the form factor yeah it was with the I think it was the g3 the Samsung g3 was the one that really looked basically or as the four is therefore phone there galaxy s4 oh yeah here here's that look phones like really like to do like the earlier iphones is similar so that was part of it also they're still I believe they have still yet to figure out what's going on with their pinch and zoom functionality I think that's still under scrutiny by the patent trial and appeal boards in the course so that's trying to get figured out but as of now 548 million dollar Samsung has actually agreed to pay this as a as part of part of this agreement that's a big story man yeah duck actually have to cop up half a billion well because they've been fighting it they've been trying to get a regime and trying to get it removed from poor it actually looked like they were still gonna peel this but finally they just gave in said okay fine 548 like cool we'll just throw you down some cash there you go this is the one where in the apple byte video we did iphone 5 on in rolla seems a better pay up me this is that from that right now lassie right that's all right so that happens like paying up that's like two and a half years later yeah that's a long time if you don't know iphone 5 on it you should look at it that's all I'm so watch that video go look it up alright um we get to business right now yeah let's should we do the business isn't this we we gotta show love to our friends at Scottevest today's podcast sponsored by them the clothing company that designs multi-pocket clothing let you carry and use all your gadgets and daily essentials with up to 42 pockets in a single item you'll have space for your iphone your macbook your ipod your ipad i said macbook you can put a macbook in your vest oh yeah specialist in functional fashion for over 15 years scottevest caters to tech junkies by cleverly engineering pockets to balance 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enough power though for me it's it's like a basic laptop that just looks amazingly thin so I'm all I would only even consider that thing way down the road once they give it a lot more off maybe if they bring some sky like we're still waiting for skylight there's no confirmation if skylake processors will be in these thinner laptops but it's just a just a little bullet point to keep your eyes on cool WWDC typically they have released laptops there and showing off new hardware so um we will wait and see if that happens also I I hate these stories because it disheartening after i just bought a product like two months ago no coding two digit times production of faster apple TV 5 is rumored to begin in early 2016 that's brutal come on come on man happen to me more about the ipad 3rd generation i know i talked about it before yeah they release like the new ipad like six months six months yeah there was another one I'm like oh okay cool yeah thanks guys thanks for crapping on me yeah so this is just a rumor that they would be using a faster processor the a 9 processor we all know that according to Apple because the current new apple TV is using an a8 processor there's no 4k video support probably my biggest complaint about that is that we have phones I can shoot 4k let me shoot let me just toss that video onto a TV that could support 4k if you have a 4k TV yep the a9 processor would be able to do that for the new Apple TV again mass production according to this report and rumor to begin in early of 2016 um there's still a you know they got rid of the optical output on there someone just gave it like a sad face on periscope like no optical really yeah there's no optical out visual that's all right yeah that's just a trip I mean cuz everyone surround sound has optical thank you I'm i did so i had to like i did a little reno would you have to do I just basically for you know I used to have it separately go through the optical audio but now I just basically forced it all through hdmi okay but i like it works like that but yeah the optical is meant for that yep even people have like headphone sets yeah they just plug pop right in and stuff like that yeah so that that is still missing according to the report also Apple watch sales Apple watch sales supposedly according to this report enjoying a modest growth according to IDC they estimate that around 3.9 million Apple watches have been sold in quarter three this is based on their data that they've been gathering in the wearable sales market uh last quarter it was 3.6 million I just I just got to go off and say like as time has gone on I really thought that the Apple watch would be able to do more yeah and it just hasn't there's just not developing for now I think it I'd argue I don't want to get people all mad and frustrated but as of now as a platform there's no momentum hmm but that number sounds like a pretty decent number though 3.6 million it's gonna be it's the best it's the best for any smart you know smart wrist watch device yeah per se but you know my whole thing of I used to still like this because I'm like oh I love how it looks but as I just use it less and less and less I'm just like did I really spend that much anything like and it just sends me messages and then like calls once in a while but I put on do not disturb almost all the time because I don't want to get bothered by that it's rough come on Apple developers make something to get Brian excited about his Apple watch like I've really tried really hard there's like this game called spy watch and it's like a text based game where you're like you're like a spy and you know it but it's I'm not gonna interact on this screen that much I know it's just hard I I honestly when I look at Android wear I just think that they're doing it not that either platform has really taken off but they're just doing a little bit more an apple just relying on the whole fact of hey we've got apps we've got apps but the apps aren't that great you can you can shoot video with the Android wear camera right you could or you can watch video on it but I think you can also take pictures at least with some of them I mean you can with the Apple watch they did get support for you to watch vine videos on it nice that's what I want to do in my free time watch vine videos on my Apple watch success that's like probably a quarter of a percent of the human population that even has an Apple watch I just I told you into deleted vine off my phone that's like that's like one guy you were that guy somebody is doing it anyways uh the growth for it is picking up a time but this is rough estimates again Apple has yet to officially announce any physical sales announcements of the Apple watch really yep they have never done it to this point they haven't even said we sold ten million which is typically like a decent bent date and they let out they always a good drag so much they say Apple sales Apple watch sales are increasing it's the first thing they say and every one of their press conferences i just asked around every ask your friends I don't have a single friend who loves their Apple watch yeah like I don't they're like yeah it's all right that's what you get that's all right we can talk about this topic this crib it's cool it's cool also just some cool news for Apple TV lover's amazon prime video allegedly according to a tweet from a developer could possibly be coming within the few weeks by the end of the year amazon prime video coming to the new apple TV amazon has never been on apple TV 2 this point a lot of people thought there was a beef between the two companies Apple has said oh we are open the developers were open all platforms to develop for us according to a tweet from ben when's his name I can't it's just passed me off the top of my head I'm sorry I'm going to find this damn damn Boston weeks damn Boston weeks received a tweet from amazon saying that they are working on an app and it should be ready by the end of the year I like stories like this we know to two major players become friends temporarily until there's some licensing issue is trying they're like maybe we should get on that platform to try and make some money cuz yeah we need that money also a last story here Sony working on an app to stream ps4 games onto your Mac or PC to play yes is badass yes gaming on the mac platform in general is pretty weak it's better but nothing nothing compared what PC gamers got going on they have everything they get every do they have it all they really do so Shu Yoshida from Sony when the tops over it Sonia said that they are working on an app they haven't released in a day but remote play has usually been limited to where you can play on Sony hardware so you could use like a PS Vita to remotely play a game like let's say your ps4 is on your living room and just want to like hang out in your bedroom yes you could do that you could use Sony tablets with remote play as well they're gonna adapt they're working on adapting this to mac and pc i'm so stoked so holes i'm about to buy a ps4 i just sold my PS triple let me tell you ps4 i was playing the Uncharted multiplayer beta last night for like three hours straight dude three hours d I'm gonna get the Uncharted the Uncharted bundle when are you gonna give you ninety nine ER what are you gonna get it though I'm gonna say it like probably a little after Christmas okay I was gonna say if you get it this week you could still get into the multiplayer beta oh it's awesome let's go yeah I just need battlefront and I'll be able to die okay that's that's not that's not a bad thing at all alright so that's gonna kind of wrap up our stories we know that again this shows all about you all we want you guys to call our show I forgot to give you guys the number at the begin of the show typically when I do that we still get a lot of calls though yes 1 800 61 62 63 8 is the phone number to call us leave your name where you're from and just get your message some of you kind of your stretch it a little bit I'm just saying I'm actually have to edit one of your calls right now so should we get to the calls me to it all right hey guys Ryan from oak I'm from sorry Toronto Canada and my question is well I have an ipad pro currently and I'm a student and was wondering if you guys thought that would be beneficial for me to get the Apple pencil to take notes and stuff thanks result my gut reaction is I like the underdog people use paper dollars for that pen well he already has the ipad pro right yeah the good thing about it is that based on tests and people comparing the comparing you know surface pen and apple pan the apple pan does can get get you that really precise detail when it comes to handwriting if you want to do that that's fine that's your prerogative I do think that actually physically writing notes down whether it's on paper or now with an ipad pro you actually remember it better just typing it out definitely cuz when you're typing you're like brainlessly like like yes and I don't retain personally I don't retain things as well yeah you have that physically ride it yeah if that's your motivation i would say then go for it if it's i'm not saying for people listening or what about paper and pencil yeah use a paper and pencil use that actually is probably but now these days as this question has changed I do think writing with the physical pen Apple pencil would accomplish that same feat if you want to do it yeah I prefer paper just like quickly browse through all my notes you know and also there's no shortage on paper in this country so we're all good on that sure about that save yourself you know save yourself ninety-eight dollars well you can either save a tree and not use paper and contribute to like mass amount of landfills with rare earth metals yes and gladly means yeah or you could just go back and get paper that we can actually recycle and use yeah well fan of paper I'm a fan of physically writing it down on paper like me apples next product Apple paper I'm going it will be it will be I'm going to a little press conference this weekend I'm bringing a notepad I that's just how I work it's just easier though easier all right next call okay here we go hey guys this is diego here from Chicago and as far as the Apple watch I know a lot of people who are actually waiting to see if the next watch is going to be connected with LTE let me know what you guys think love the show Diego thanks for calling uh you know there's rumors about that will it make it more useful to a certain degree like quite honestly with the Apple watch I'm more concerned of them actually putting a real true GPS chip in it it doesn't have that it's still dependent on the phone so anyone who wants to do any type of fitness or trail running has to have the phone in their pocket and the watch completely idiotic the Apple watch itself needs a Wi-Fi chip so it can be totally dependent without you know even when you're in your home we have enough Wi-Fi now these days that that would be a huge boost to it LTE the big thing is that you're gonna have to pay for another data plan I don't think you really need to you know do because people that are using their Apple watch aren't using it as their single standalone dedicated device yeah it's a complementary device most of time you'll have your phone in it but there's a few times where you go running or exercising let's get rid of the phone so put the technology in there that makes that happen and if you're around the house you know find your phones in the corner that's not a big a deal but make it as as least dependent on a data connection as you need to you don't want to pay 30 40 bucks a month just for your watch no who wants that but if Apple does do this and then they make that watch just a standalone device you don't need the phone or anything then you know it could be compelling reason to buy it could be if you want to talk to your wrist all the time and take calls you think that's cool yeah all right i'll let solid i'll let you do that all right next call hi my name is Andrew from Michigan and I just had a quick question for you about the ipad bro i recently purchased one and i'm just wondering if you think that Apple is going to make any kind of adapters for the Lightning port I've been reading that if USB 3.0 compatible instead of just us the 2.1 during if you guys think that Apple is going to do anything future for adapters maybe even something that would allow us to some what's like a USB drives into an ipad pro via an adapter so thanks for this call this calls right on the money the ipad pro port lightning port does support USB 3.0 i think it'll be up to a third-party manufacturer i don't unless here how about let's put this way my body my brains going all over the place apple will release an adapter for this to support USB 3.0 a pro level app and maybe their own like hard drive that they produce yes exactly that they are then then they I think that's when they would be really compelled to do it now let's pretend that doesn't exist it'll be up to accompany a third party company to make this adapter they're gonna have to pay apple a licence fee to even make this little adapter cable that might be the most discouraging I think ultimately someone who's using the iPad pro for pro reasons is going to buy the 128 gig hard drive we know that's really not enough if you're going to do 4k video support so if there is a final cut pro video product or a true now i'm not talking about pinnacle which is on there a true pro video editing app that you can really use with the ipad pro even you know audio like logic pro yeah that requires more hard drive space i think that would be more compelling reason to be able to latch on external hard drive for that even an actual high-end pro photo editing suite but it's called the ipad pro and it can't do pro things it can do pencil things like come on so i think someone will come up with it and this product like we've kind of alluded to is still a little half-baked it says pro but it doesn't really feel pro there needs to be new things done with software and from your n that hardware element could support larger storage space to complement some of these apps that just aren't there yet that's how i see it potentially playing out i don't know if it will not depend on how Apple envisions what they want to do with the product but as i use it more it's really just a big guy it's just a big bigger ipad it's i've been doing that keyboard case for a while and it just it's like a it's not really doing much for me it's keyboard I got all that the old case on my old iPad I just got rid of X is too much of a pain the ass like fold and you all the weird stuff yeah so this ipad pro smart keyboard is like advanced origami when you put it that's the best way i can yeah anyone who uses it knows where I'm talking that's advanced organ I saw someone messing with the other day I'm like that looks not easy to use it's not like you just open it up and stand it now you have to connect this end the right end and it's like plaid think about the influences stupid okay next call this is last closing all right hey guys it's evan anderson I'm from Truckee California just wanted to tell you guys that I was at an apple store in emeryville and two of the iPads out of the five I think shut down after a hundred percent so I'm totally getting what you're doing was super frustrating just wanted to make that is enough ok love the show keep it up by we got Evan on the street mang yeah he's our reporter on the street is that you know if you guys can confirm so i'll be talking about this is when we were referring to the ipad pro just randomly falling asleep and you had to go hard restart to turn it back on after you charged it right yeah thanks thanks thanks a lot guys not that's bad apple but uh you know we just appreciate you guys being a part of the show we could 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