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welcome to 359 Roger Chang I'm Ben Fox ribbon Apple's WWDC dropped a ton of news on us and we're here to break it all down the scene stealer had to be the home pod a smart speaker and Apple's first year product category since the Apple watch two years ago bad you're our resident smart speaker expert mi hope so I'm not so what were your initial brushes underwhelming really it was I mean the name really thrown off guard we were trying to guess names yesterday and home pod was absolutely not what the series speaker was the best-sounding I understand why they would want to call it that I also think it's kind of funny that everybody has been using home you know essential the Handy Reuben no relation company also came out with the essential home yep where they're going to introduce that there's the Google home and now the home PI look this the idea is this is the hub for your home right I know that was just what all the knows a little a little more creativity from Apple might have been useful also um I hate to say this because I I think it's used a lot in tech circles but what is the killer app for this product especially because it's really 50 the price is the killer at a price is gives you like yeah I agree 49 that is twice as much as an echo as the most expensive that go i when you think about really like fifty dollars for the cheapest echo so really get what sigh feather those you can get seven echo dots for the same price and arguably the killer app is supposed to be music yes you know it's supposed to have woofers and tweeters set overdose a seven tweeter beam array set up that in Phil Schiller had trouble explaining yeah basically just said you don't understand any of this only that it sounds amazing like well I kind of should explain I just and solved it right and us your money do it and that being said Apple fanboys and people that love Apple are going to buy this no yeah guard look it's Apple you cannot dismiss anything Apple comes out with this could be a start of something big they always come out with something that that seems overly crazy expensive and something like the iPhone was I first came out so we'll see how well does over the long term a next up I want to talk about the iPad pro Apple introduced a ten point five inch version this is sort of like the Goldilocks version right sure it's too big once you small this is theoretically really just about an iPad yeah we are I mean what's so interesting about this other than the fact that it's the medium sized version that's basically it do really mean you do anything else it does the same thing as the iPad pro it's faster disappointingly the display is actually the same resolution as the previous one okay not a huge amount of upgrade I would like to give Apple because we we haven't you know this is this is somewhat critical at this point so let's give them some credit for the iMac Pro which granted is a serious amount of money at five thousand dollars yeah I'd boy did they pack in a ton of crazy specs into this thing and it's definitely a way to get their loyal fanbase of pros designers much more excited they haven't done a good job of serve camera to the last few years have been pretty rough for professionals looking to use Apple machines because they just haven't really they've really pushed more for mainstream customers so alright lastly Apple availed AR kit set of tools for developers start building augmented reality experiences for the iPhone and the iPad Scott had his impressions that actually looks surprisingly good Scott Stein Scott stock Scott Steiner our resident mobile reviewers everywhere I think yeah we'll see we'll see what they end up doing with it it makes a lot of sense that they would push it out at WWDC get developers excited and their arse even happen there are even was once this thing turns on they'll have the largest platform in the world for AR because of the huge base of iPhones and iPads are out yeah yeah we'll see we'll see I mean Microsoft uses that bet that argument with Windows 10 devices too so we'll see how much it holds water alright for more of that check us out seen it I'm Roger Tsien I'm Ben Fox Ruben thanks for listening all right so par for anymore errors on my part I think we're okay for the rest of the day it's all good uh mr. Steve Austin in the chat great name by the way what's up Steve Austin am I the only one that thinks that the home pod is extremely overpriced less functionalities for a higher price point only at Apple now I don't know not down in that personally I agree much the universal consensus is it's pretty freaking over price I don't think that I would pay for this thing personally like if if we were to get a review sample well sure I would try it out so look I think the well you can see by the way apples spinning this right they're not trying to really push this as a smart speaker first they really spent a lot of time talking about the music aspect the sound aspect you know that I think they're trying to pick themselves against like Sonos or these kind of you know mid-range to high-end speakers you know they argue that relative to those speakers they're actually a pretty good deal let me ask you this then why not call it something related to Beats or why didn't they mention beats at all I would say my argument there is that they're trying to eventually phase out the beats brand so why did they spend a billion dollars on that company no they have a lot of money okay um no let me look they bought it for the the subscription service that they were they sort of had the right and the bra trust right the brain trust dr. Dre g-man indeed so you know the billion dollars for Apple that's a drop in the bucket it's just I was thinking like when you for for a long time when you thought of like premium to your headphones or like more expensive headphones you thoughts definites yep so to me that seemed to make sense I agree absolutely makes sense I think with home pod which I'm still trying to wrap my round my mind around I mean they're trying to obviously work off the air pause at the iPod name the iPod name was huge back of the past yeah sorry great but the iPod brand was huge back in the day I just feel like it's sort of it's definitely lost a lot of its cachet though what well yeah I'm a pod Yeah right like they were trying to lick iPod to home Paul you're like alright but how many people actually own an iPod anymore I wouldn't have been surprised if they named it something like the pull home or the Apple whatever I don't know it's I don't I don't love the name and I don't know who the customer base is going to be for this other than Apple loyalists yeah um but yeah I agree with Steve Austin then it is it does seem pretty expensive for something that an echo or Google home could do for a far lower price yeah enough it's funny you guys should bring up beats because imagine soggy says funny that the company that brought beats into their target market cares about high quality sound ooh yeah yeah fair enough that is big ouch and what's up imagine soggy and for the record imagine soggy I I agree with you Danny Green our boy Danny Green yeah I kind of like the concept of the home pod the name is not good I would have to hear it in my house before I would buy it also it should be sold as a pair for that price so the same pretenses yes the price issue yeah I mean I think that's the that's a big question mark right just listening to the sound quality I mean I don't think Danny good luck trying to get the whole pot into your home try out before you've writing it but I guess you can return it but yeah I mean ultimately if Apple spent that much time talking about the sound quality you really have to experience what that's like if it's really like up like Bose speakers that happen to be smart yeah if they I think they sold it like that I could kind of wrap my mind around a little bit better if it's so like that but I don't think it's I don't think that's good there is a very easy work around if you want Bose speakers that are smart you just plug them to your echo yeah you collect an echo but those because what an echo dot though speakers are more expensive oh right yeah but like if that's the target market then you're gonna spend even more money for like really really high-end Bose speakers and then get you know Alexa functionality yeah yeah yeah to it what do you think of the look of this thing by the way we haven't talked about and I wasn't that crazy no I I think it's fine I don't think it's again I don't think it justifies the price for a company known for its design I don't I don't think it's like a beautiful work of art er no that's kind of how I felt yeah - when I first saw it I was just like really that's what you guys have been working for years is the Ala video I'm not trying to rap on it too much but that's that was those were my immediate impressions were that the name was not great I take away that cool I take away from it was is this why you guys did the the trashcan Pro years ago you just test driving a shape back bro it is look a lot like that well more than a lot and make more sense in this configuration as a tiny little nugget speaker than it ever did as a desktop computer that's my take away yeah um and related though let's go in and Charles says it's pricey but none of the other speakers will work with Apple music I'm pretty sure that's an interesting thought that is you're kind of married in ah yeah if you're if you're the Apple ecosystem that's that's pretty I mean it's clear like this this has additional benefits for you but you know there other music services yeah that's the problem is that they made no mention of Amazon music Spotify Pandora yeah so you think you're really stuck in if you're Apple your Apple and if you're anything else you're everything else I mean I think that's that would be a huge mistake if they came out with this thing because I think it is early remember this thing doesn't come out to December so they probably are working on the partnerships mm-hmm and so I imagine some of those partnerships will come you will probably have Pandora and Spotify and all these other services because it just seems dumb if they if they just made it Apple music like it just otherwise that nice yeah but if you're already in the Apple ecosystem like Charles you're pretty good to go yes yes you listen that's a limited market right Apple said yesterday that has 27 million Apple music subscribers that that's a big number but there are 450 million Spotify subscribers so it's you know there are there's a much bigger market out there that Apple would be losing out on if it just made it an Apple music only service like I mean I'm a prime customer but I don't pay for prime music and there's free music there for me for my echo like that just seems like a much better deal for me like there's no way I would consider going to an apple I'm sorry a home pod if it meant like I had to commit to Apple music yeah I agree Jacob Kraft says how well do you think the premium audio argument will go given the chromecast Audio exists right yeah that's thought oh similarly echo dot I mean I think that's that's gonna be tough sell for Apple given that there are the universe's of high-end speakers out there that already in people's homes yeah one of the things that we were talking about here too was uh for certain folks that already own a Google home or an echo let's say you spend $180 on an echo you spend $130 on a Google home it's possible that you have multiple echos because you also got the $50 echo dot that you could throw somewhere else like in your garage or a bedroom whatever what exactly justifies throwing those out or just you know unplugging them or yeah spending three hundred and fifty dollars on a completely different eco so yeah I think you don't right like at this point there's nothing that Apple showed me that would convince me to like get rid of the existing hardware that it actually that if you got you've got a home entertainment system building up you got like a Sonos TV bar as someone a chav you know how well is it going to integrate with everything else but Danny Green points out what if the Apple TV talks to it but are you really going to outfit your entire home with home pods for the sake of a sound system I don't think so that's not self-sustaining unless they start developing that software into a legitimate like 5.1 system which I don't foresee happening in Xiamen in your future mmm like I don't think these things are gonna suffice as a sound system yeah they're a decent little speaker I'm sure they are but that's about as far as I'm gonna give them I think I will see what we don't really know right because it's still still development and so I would give it the benefit of doubt at least I would at least listen to it before making any kind of judgments on the audio quality sure fair enough but I do like what you mentioned as far as Apple TV integration with like a MacBook or Apple TV or some of the other Apple products these are the types of things that you expect from Apple and those might be you know those types of really smooth integrations might be something that actually convinces people to start buying this stuff I mean the idea of expanding at Charles points out you can put this in your bedroom the idea of expanding your pre-existing system would be kind of nice but again you have to be in the Apple ecosystem yet they have an Apple TV going on listening to Apple music subscribed and then it's like oh I'm going to walk over to my my bedroom or my bathroom and I want that music to follow me there that's that's where that comes in the place yeah but he'll do immerses yeah by multiple apples home pods like that sounds ooh yeah uh if you got too much money I guess that's that's what you do so let's get some comments about people's favorite parts of the presentation imagine soggy says AR was the best part of the presentation but it was weird that they talked about IKEA and didn't connect it with their products virtually shown in your space that's a good point that's really good I mean I think partly it might be because it's not quite ready yet I don't I don't know it's like they showed a couple of like preset demos and that was it I think they kind of stuck to the script there I agree I think AR is definitely really exciting as a whole as a topic it's very exciting I think the fact that Apple kind of showed off what Apple showed off was actually pretty cool considering actually worked pretty well and I think from where I stand it it kind of works with any iPhone yet any iPhone but uh I think it's a certain version like you 6s or higher or something I think in general just Ana AR is still in that that's pretty neat phase yeah yeah there isn't much to it there's not a whole lot of depth no I thought a meat on those bones frankly Google's done the best job of explaining why AR matters with google lens right the idea of like you know shining it on a restaurant and getting open table of information or yelp information that that to me is like an instant like okay I get that right everything else has been kind of like just sort of playing around right yeah like putting like a pot of coffee on this table which was part of the demo yes it looked like it worked but right but also like what's the relevance be sub beyond like looking at go well that's cool like how's my life better for this virtual coffee cup well they also did like um like a video game on that table Lego Batman thing which actually was kind of cool it was cool but um it's kind of like I wouldn't end up playing that like I'm in public much no cuz like don't you have to like move around and that we kind of mess I mean I think you could just rotate around it's not like you're really don't even have like not like running through the Train Joe finishing or something that would be pretty sweet and horrible uh yeah ooh our old buddy Yahoo yeah boom the best thing that happened in dead DC was the iOS 11 and iPad pro now I can replace my laptop for an iPad wow that's a bold statement I mean he's not wrong though they put a lot under the hood this time around I put some like really basic functionality ya see that with the idea to replace a laptop he's not wrong yeah I don't know if we're quite there yet I think they definitely made some progress towards making the iPad pro more of like a PC but I don't know if it completely replaces it like I'm not comfortable with like I think someone has suggested the whole touch cover with the touchpad keyboard with a touchpad like unless we have something with that kind of tactile precise control I'm not really comfortable switching away from it but you're a more power user than say a large portion of the Apple audience were like I but I post my mom on Apple after the longest time because she kept getting viruses because she's a mom yeah yeah so he put her on Apple she's a little more safe it's a little more simple it's a little more user friendly and if you're just doing a lot of email and a lot of Facebook and a lot of crushing but if you do with that you don't need an iPad pro you just need an iPad truth cheaper turn iPad pro they're they're trying to go after professionals trying to convince people that mmm not well they're trying to go out just because it's in the name yeah no not professionals like workstation level professionals they're trying to go after people who will do work on their iPad and I feel like that argument it's not quite there yet yeah I think at the even for casual users adding very basic functions like drag-and-drop yeah that file sharing system which granted like I was watching it my eyes are glazing over being like this is stuff that's been available in pcs for 20 years right but at the same time it goes back to yeah throughs point that this just makes it just a little bit easier yeah ditch your laptop just don't want to I just don't think it's quite there yet okay I disagree with you but if somebody really wants to switch over to a tablet this this does help them along that way like whenever anyone asked me about that when I say if you really want to work on your tablet like use the surface pro mmm like don't use this I mean yeah it's just more that's nice that's a good point I think there's a greater number people that they're like yeah ooh maybe awethu is this person and other people who are more prone to just go for the the ease later session and if they're gonna just continue the air then what choice you really have at that point what the MacBook Air yeah they did not discontinue it but like it saved it there's still what it really save it know how much time do you think it really got left if they're going this route with tablets yeah that seems like it's a conflict of interest to an extent it's yeah I was hoping for more about the MacBook Air and it was hilarious that's a point a actually talked about it like we some of the editors here bistec like it was such a quick notice they're like oh yeah the MacBook Air is also getting a bump in the specs are gay livin worse a little bit more mega hard uh it was part of the vine put didn't even merit like appears to present a lapel slide with all the here's our home back lineup by the way the MacBook Airs can upgrade to like literally that's what it was been treated we there was a debate back and forth among something editors like did the MacBook Air actually get an upgrade like some some actually miss it because it was so it was just sort of like squeeze at the last second if you blinked yep because just as easily said and we're discontinuing them and the weird thing is when you go on the site we looked it up that's why there was actually that debate we go on the Apple site you go to the back section every Mac says do except the MacBook Air it's the way to say like they got the upgrade that shows that they got it was actually a you buy MacBook Air now I think the you'll get the faster processor it doesn't say anywhere in that section that it's do like they do not want you to buy that thing okay so is the argument then like the air is the most sufficient in what it's supposed to no no the MacBook Air basically is Apple's way of saying we have a very affordable one thousand dollar laptop for you that's that's what we have that's what I mean it's sufficient in this role where people are like I wish the iPad did more of this and it's like they're Pro computers aren't pro enough we need more power the air is just like it's an air yeah I mean I think Apple kind of has it out there so they can say they've got a affordable quote unquote affordable laptop they don't wash it by that they they want you buy a MacBook Pro what's the highest when the MacBook Pro the MacBook you know it's it's $300 more right it's something like two or three hundred dollars more to get the lowest of lows MacBook Pro well how much is the MacBook just the MacBook the MacBook remember it might be $1,500 fourteen or fifteen hundred dollars yeah they did drop they just dropped the price MacBook Pro the cheapest one the non touch bar one 1200 1300 I believe yeah I mean like if you're already shelling out a thousand dollars three hundred more dollars that's what they want is a lot of money that's due but that's what they wanted dissented they look at the thousand dollar one they look at the one that's like the step up there like well this was so much nicer so I'll just get that one it's just yes followed apples game alright let's get to a couple more comments and then we gotta wrap it up for the day Jesse gateman in the chat says Jesse Jesse they gave us a drag-and-drop function that he mentioned yesterday you got it yes that's right Jesse you win again and he also includes that the iPad dock was cool we needed that iPad dock right was there a pet dog Oh the mice yes yeah yeah interface yes yeah not a physical dog I got a dog knows the expanded dock at the bottom of the screen okay yeah yeah cuz it's more like like Mac OS yeah exactly they're definitely becoming the ideas like a predictive like it'll show up like it will have apps that show up all the dock that it thinks should we use neck is kind of cool great they have that predictive functionality on the iPhone already and it's not particularly useful for me I've ever use it yeah alright and lastly obby was uh very uh enthralled with the video and photo compression he says that sounds oh yeah that was smart totally I think people completely missed that but it's huge like my wife constantly runs out of space because she's taking concert photos of videos of our kid and that have that extra compression definitely makes a huge difference very very smart yeah oh yeah nothing super earth-shattering to an extent but it will make lives are you very very practical very useful for sure I think so yeah alright I think that's about the right place to wrap it up for the day that was fun everybody - with our little technical faux pas and the data it won't happen again I promise probably will but it's all good all right take us home all right if you liked anything you saw or heard here check us out on CNET our podcast is also available on itunes google play music soundcloud feed BRR tune in to did and I missing anyone I don't know at good enough CEO tomorrow see you tomorrow you