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and I'm gonna beat Roger to a happy Thursday everybody it's May 18th episode 230 or tooth hurty if you will if you're a dentist welcome to the 359 podcast and in the house today we've got a Reggie Chang and Alfred Inge guys what's going on hey if we all bounce back from Google i/o yes sort of I don't I had I was an intense amount of coverage well me well there's no other day today yes I'm gonna try to reincorporate today I try to give you the the highlights good luck rest us most with disappointed us with Google i/o might need like an 859 for that one yeah I know we're gonna try to keep it quick but that's what the appo shows for right alright so as always if you have any questions about Google i/o or any of the huge announcements from yesterday leave in the comment section Brian will get them and we will get to them in 3 minutes and 59 seconds from 3 to welcome to the 339 I'm Roger Chang I'm Alfred Aang so Google dropped an overwhelming amount of news yesterday at this I Oh developer conference from Google lens updates to its home in photos and of course Android Oh Google has certainly been keeping busy so after what aside you most from the developer conference yo did you see that google lens on the Wi-Fi password that was amazing yes like the most practical use of something like that I've seen it a lot just frustrated that like that didn't come out early I just seems like one of those things like why didn't no one think of this before I have to imagine it's that's that was pretty complicated to pull off yes for our listeners if you're not familiar with it it bit google lens basically uses your camera is kind of like an AR yeah thanks so it's sort of like image recognition so one of its features is that if you need to get the Wi-Fi password from underneath somebody's router and if it's like 16 letters long you can just point the Google lens at it and it'll automatically recognize that and then I'll populate the autofill Autopia and it'll connect straight from there it's not like a copy and paste so that is like I said one of the more practical uses I've seen of this kind of image recognition technology you know there's other things right like pointing your camera at a restaurant yeah the reviews and that's actually not just based off your camera because it's connected of like Google Maps and your locations so like it connects with that it knows where you are and then it like takes a look at the restaurants and it like scans for the names and all that so you can basically find out you know if it's a good restaurant like what they look like on Yelp all that kind of stuff what's really interesting this is actually a form of augmented reality now AR we've mostly seen through snapchat Instagram through those filters right through like lenses puking rainbows unicorns crowns all kind of fun stuff Google is actually taking a different tack they're actually making AR that you actually want to use I'd be interested to see how well this works though because they had something like this before with Google Goggles yes on like an older version of Android and I tried using it in the past and it really wasn't it was a it was their incest then again it that was a couple years old yeah they've definitely stepped up their uh their work in terms of AI the backend machine learning so there's there's a lot more resources being put here so this isn't just a part of Google I think goggles is kind of a project like a one-off for them if you like a lens it's critical to their their whole strategy assistant right up speaking which let's talk about Google home yeah so they they offered a bunch of improvements including home or phone calls uh but you were still kind of pointed right you were looking for more yes because I wanted a cheaper version if you listen to podcast yesterday it was basically please give me something that I can like buy and just justify having as opposed to you know this expensive like home assistant what you're looking for is basically their equivalent of echo dot yes yes yes the stocking stuffer that can they just are tossed around it's fairly not disposable but it's you know sort of cheap people wait that's a thing all the features looked incredibly cool like the the phone calls that you could make they're finally catching up to Amazon with Spotify integration being able to stream off chromecast which like I really want that feature for Amazon but probably won't see it yeah all the features are really cool it's just one of those things or like please you know drop the price on this thing alright lastly we have to talk about Android Oh which they didn't they didn't spell out the name but I guess we weren't really expecting that what what to you was the most same thing by undertow for me it was definitely project treble so that's kind of their move to kind of get every Android kind on the same level here so they're not as fragmented as it is yes that's definitely the biggest problem right seven percent are on the newest version of Android that's a small small number and right now that's kind of like a major security issue for them because not everyone's getting the patches as soon as they should be getting them which from wanna cry we know you know you should try to update us frequently as you can but in some scenarios you just can't right all right look there's plenty more today Google i/o so for more of those stories check us out at sea net I'm Roger Chang I'm Alfred Aang thanks for listening there is a lot more that we we really kind of breach through some of the highlights I'm sitting so project drag pack that in the four minutes I'm sitting here sweating listening to talk about Google photos we could even get to Google photos like it's just there's just so much from that show we talked about the VR aspect this the standalone VR and like that Sarah Lee graze the surface on the AR oh yeah it's uh do you think is I for me it seemed like the AR aspects were a lot more interesting this year than the VR VR sort of you know they kind of like they talked about it they're the headsets are coming later this year but for me the AR self had way more practical applications now like I would I want lens now and what that Wi-Fi thing now also to be fair if your Wi-Fi is still underneath your router like what are you doing actually your life - why why don't you change it yeah I am super lazy it's not even that hard it's if you go on your computer if you go to any website ever like it's it's the same amount of effort yeah I'm just at least alright will you change it when you get google lens like you can just no in fact it's like it'll encourage me to be more lazy because I just put my camera I'm gonna take away your CNET card okay your official company sanctions seen it a thority card if you at least rename your server you're like why fired yes okay yeah yeah to not Rogers house verizon fios whatever no I have renamed the networks oh wait what's the name of your network um a one no that's lame it's very newspaper II yeah I guess oh yeah Charles nerd what's yours uh RC network and you guys are no fun I mean I named mine the house of tradies it used to be ha ha ha I used to be good reference yeah used to be whoo tang LAN and then like people were calling me out for not being original because like they've seen that before I'm like I'm not trying to impress you guys my wife is a Wi-Fi name let's get let's get to Google all right let her our viewers wanted it well let's go ahead and pitch that question back out to everybody what were the things that you saw that you're most excited about we kind of touched on them here but will expand on for a few minutes on let you submit your comments and questions a couple submissions already from buffa says the force touch is kind of cool on Android and balm invention says I'm excited about the new security it's cool we can now delete apps they don't like that is an amazing feature I yeah the end of bloatware I know thank you Google in a problem since day one but yeah I was looking at my phone today where I was trying to get on facebook Messenger and then I have message messages yeah Messenger and I'm like why does samsung phone right yes yeah that's why yeah and it's also like Verizon use like fifteen browsers as well no I only have Chrome on it okay cuz I think Sam's like what the SH Samsung has its own browser I might have hidden it okay but I don't know but I mean it's a my like drawer or whatever yeah yeah yeah here's a good question from our old buddy Yahoo he says what is a difference between having YouTube red and the new Google picture in picture mode that's a great point that does kind of like shave a little incentive of YouTube red but considering it's all Google at the end of the day mmm yeah that's to me the problem with you don't get that premium content yeah and the different delivery packages though it's a addressing ad free experiences yeah believe so they're there they teared now I forget if you can do sure yeah by Joan yeah YouTube red has its own that's their whole like oh we've got like exclusive yeah exactly they've got premium content original YouTube syriza's but the picture no pointing that was huge running like background running every youtuber and uh red subscribers that was awesome that was almost enough for me to get it but I didn't almost I thought about getting just so I could like just play music from that and yeah my phone shut up but it's like I'm already on Spotify don't I don't really that's the thing about yeah I go one or the other really does suffice I don't think you need both yeah Matthew doctor says is Google still able to visually solve Sudoku puzzles that's an interesting question I've never tried that I don't yeah I don't know are they well he said still able to so this is all that already a VHS is news to me is that some of that they downloaded or is this like one of those like Easter eggs like the dinosaur game probably an easter egg yeah no no like something somebody figured out along the lines there a other visual AI is up to par for that right right now like like lens that they showed off but they didn't really from what I understand there weren't any live demonstrations no through the yeah at the conference yeah you know it's still early that's why I'm saying I would love to see if I see actually were surprised if they did that yeah alright keep sending in your comments and questions what you saw what you liked what you didn't like let's uh let's get real for a minute Alfred what was your your real editorial personal take away from this put a put put down your your CNET card for a minute and just oh let me i've already closed my laptop um no I think it's really cool I always feel like androids kind of like behind the ball on a lot of these things and it's kind of disappointing that a lot of older devices like don't get them yeah um very excited for the Google home stuff again I still wish it were cheaper just because I'm I'm very frugal about these things I'd say give it like six months yes this the dust settles from the new features and then it'll roll back off real quick I agree yeah I also imagine during holiday season like surprise we're gonna have this cheaper dental home that rolls out right before Christmas right before Black Friday let's figure this whole thing the competition between like the Google home and the Amazon echo though like it really feels like a tortoise and the hare kind of scenario for me we're like Amazon's like look at this we're doing this we're do this we're like all the scenario then Google just like just like chilling back although I'm and then according to band's reporting like it's Amazon that feels the heat right now because Google home is able to recognize different people yeah mm-hmm echoes cannot not yet yes yeah that kind of freaked them out I think that's why they that's why you saw them kind of ramp up the number of problems and showed off it we've got show we've got look we've got all these things now we'll see if any of them actually sell Google a lot of cool stuff out of this I mean the lens is like really cool to me um the the one thing that I'm like I wonder if they'll actually do this with the lens because they've been talking about how like they're billing their AI out a lot and if you consider like with Google photos all these photos are like people's faces on it I wonder if they're building kind of like a facial recognition thing off of that or like you can like use google lens like oh that's Brian and like that isn't that kind of what they're doing with Google photos is the idea that you'll be able to recognize not just objects not like yeah but that's that's in your phone I'm saying like in life they're just like yeah like yeah you know it's funny I just I was having a conversation with someone building a pair of smart glasses running on Android and that was like his ultimate goal like a front-facing camera like you'll be able to scan Brian's face you may not know Brian like facts about Brian would just pop up into the glasses yeah yeah this is weird and it's like not that far from reality there was a startup that that that was like what they were trying to build that I spoke with before um where basically it was able to scan faces but the only way that I could scan your face is if you were like if you use the app and yet like enroll your face in it but this was someone else like you couldn't I wouldn't be able to just like join you at a stranger but the thing is with like Google photos if everyone is using that yeah you know I already logged in yeah like we were just talking about before the podcast started the Google Photos to me sort of the kind of sneaky way Google getting you to stay on their ecosystem Google Photos I mean one you've got a sentimental attachment to these photos it's hard to let go but Google photos is increasingly using all these services whether it's Gmail Google system now Google blends if you ever want to like quick google cold turkey and go to Apple like it's pretty much impossible you're talking with your photos they have Google photos on like Apple though no but the famous you're still using a Google service yesterday okay you can't give up on Google yeah yeah I mean you can't give up on Google in general though what are you gonna do big all your search on a big stuff yeah man it's possible um did you do did you see the New York Times story that was basically of the top 5 tech companies which one would you cut like which yes you cut yes like pretty much nobody cut alphabet Oh like Facebook was actually the one I the one I kept my topkapi I kept was actually Amazon okay cuz its prime I mean I'd say it's is tied with alphabet videos Google was for me a close yeah but you give up on Apple Microsoft was the Twitter Facebook basically the first one I cut my first guess like as like I don't really need this snap sure I be snapchat that's not a top five oh yeah uh Don Wilson has a great comment says google lens look just like the API announced at Microsoft to build 2017 that's an interesting point Oh which that's so weird it's like it just happened a few weeks ago but right kind of blur I don't really remember that is it the the principle of great minds think alike yeah I mean they're all look they're all focusing on AR IVRS or like the next growth engine and so it's not surprised that everyone's trying to use an image recognition that's the key component AR I to getting getting those stats and facts up into to your line of sight but yeah I mean like they're all like all these big companies are investing in the same thing it really is I guess it's really who actually gets there first and I think Google has an advantage because they're there to put this on the phone right Microsoft doesn't have that physical platform to deliver a our services right they've got hololens which who knows when it'll actually come to market for consumers sure so yeah maybe windows should like make a phone bump the breaks kid um yeah I don't know one of the I think I forgot what I was gonna say but it was uh definitely related to your point about um like them pushing for like AI and AR and all that stuff yeah Roger let's get your wholehearted response and very personal take away from IO in total just just yesterday's so far I mean I thought was long it was over mommy there was just a ton of stuff that they dropped on us it was a word vomit and you just I mean I do think the lens stuff is incredible if they could pull it off but for me there's you know the skeptic in me that's like well is this too good to be true I'm very much with you on that one I seems really neat on the surface I have philosophical back-and-forth over it I wanted to know the world around me but I don't like the idea of it knowing me yes that's right yeah go figure uh and I thought I mean we don't few people have talked about as much but I thought Android go was kind of a nice way to get you know pushed towards that next billion users X billion phone users with the with an operators of this little strip down that's cheaper that it's actually cognizant of the fact that data is expensive some parts of the world and that connectivity is an issue sometimes like having a low conductivity stripped down operating system that's that's going to be key when you're going after that that next billion users oh absolutely yep absolutely before we move on Matthew dr. points out that Edie reposted a scene article in 2011 about Google Goggles solving Sudoku puzzle we have to go look that back up that's before my time and I apologize but we will look into that that's really cool I never yeah this thing I never never used goggles that often I when I did that it rarely works I tried to time kind of start yeah I tried two times of the name workout all day all right well the most missteps are like pre-programmed exercise yeah for goggle maybe yeah that could have just been like a like uh but thanks for that info that was I mean what to look that up you know history better than we did to be fair scene that's huge and we don't know everybody right everything and that was actually I think slightly before my time as well I guess yeah ed Murray and I did not cross has passed yeah all right we got a few more comments coming in JC morgendorffer says uh those future daydream phones have a chance to get word sense or world sense excuse me like for example the zenfone or AR which both have daydream and tango AR support uh I'm not familiar the world sense what which one is world - I don't know world sense myself Alfred I'm gonna be looked at all right we'll move on uh so so UK says does Google have a plan for satellite communications as he's currently working on a project and space technology I know they have a bunch of projects for getting planes in the air to deliver cell phone signals I'm not aware of any projects using satellite radio from what I understand satellite radio or satellite phone service is or cell service is extremely expensive yeah yeah so I don't really know if Google is actually working on that I remembered what I was gonna ask before now yes go for it um so Google assistant now on iPhone are you actually planning on putting out on your iPhone or yes yeah but problem I think the problem with Google systems on your iPhone is it's not gonna be as proactive as it is on an Android phone right but yeah that still has to flow through apple's api's and through their their system so it's not gonna be as proactive and it's not gonna it's not gonna be as useful yet from what I'm actively I think why assumes you'll have to actively trigger yeah from what I've seen that I feel like it's like a lot better than Syria's I was going to say is it the nail in the coffin for Siri I don't I think as long as Apple keeps making it like a pain in the ass that's effective it that's it's like Siri you can at least yeah trigger it with your voice their way there were easy ways to trigger Siri there isn't yet an easy way to and I don't know if they will somehow get visit but there isn't an easy way to trigger Google system on your iPhone beyond like tapping the app cuz that's the thing like I prefer Chrome on my iPhone use but every default every app their default browser comes with is Safari so like I'll have chrome but like everything that I open is like in Safari anyway and yeah even have chrome I feel like that's just what's gonna end up happening of Google assistant on the iPhone yeah going back to world edits by the way world sense was the name of the standalone VR headsets okay gotcha was the question again he says um something about those future daydream phones have a chance to get world sense like for example the zenfone AR which have both daydream and tango air support oh the idea is like motion tracking correct I don't fix it I imagine these feckless yeah this is a speculation but these headsets have special cameras that are kind of position tracking they track in and out hence the inside-out erm we tried some of these at CES actually Qualcomm had like a sort of a reference design or concept prototype and their work pretty well but there's special hardware that's required and out know if if those phones kind of work tango might actually tango enable phones might actually work with this but it's almost like I feel like it's two categories like the phone VR headsets are kind of like just sort of simple motion these are not just motion but like positionally you could actually move forward and back that's a bigger difference that's kind of like what the vibe does so in related news and this is just a question from meek since I didn't get all the details during this part of the presentation yesterday tell me more about these standalone VR goggles that they're going to be putting out so like up until now we've got the daydream which is part of your phone you tap into it it's part of the greater thing and it's a novelty for lack of a better word at this point we've got the HTC vive we've got PlayStation VR the gaming consoles what is Google gonna do Google going to do with a standalone headset is is going to be the next wave than the new 3d TV and home entertainment no I feel like it's sort of an incremental step up from these headsets with phone plug-ins right those headsets those are definitely more of a novelty I think I feel like they're kind of a gimmick these purpose-built headsets for VR these world sets had set I think a little more useful and like if you're buying one these things you're like investing in a VR yeah for real I think they're there for me there's always been issues plugging your phone to a VR headset whether it's sometimes it's tracking it overheats there's there's battery issues if these are purpose-built headsets I'm assuming they're they're free of a lot of those problems right you don't worry about the battery training already overheating because it's designed for VR only as opposed to a phone that happens to do VR but taxes everything in the phone mm-hmm so imagine it's a it's a slicker experience is not it's not as high end as vive Fisher just to be clear these are probably running on like Qualcomm Snapdragon processors they're not they're not running out PC gaming level type computers so the experiences is going to be as slick but I think it's going to be a step up from what we've had and I think it's it's sort of natural evolution to what we've seen with VR with like basic VR Google cardboard right in daydream I think we're going to see designer model's start coming out something flashy something to decorate your home with oh yeah and that's about we were gonna run out of time designer headset Gucci VR headset Gucci Google's site Prada man I love my Prada headset now all right Roger send us out what do we still have coming up today from Google got a lot of focus on VR and AR Google i/o still continues day two so definitely tune back in to see 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