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welcome another 359 I'm Ben Fox Ruben I'm offering the Google i/o developer conference is happening Tuesday and Wednesday this week it will definitely not include an extended mayor Copa like Facebook's f8 conference did last week and instead should focus on a lot of new tech Alfred is there anything in particular that you're really looking for from IO something that you want them to talk about this is actually the first time I'm excited to hear about wearables I'm from well I know that usually I don't care about them but you know with them changing their whole like they to like watch OS now like it's not Android wear anymore or anything like that I'm pretty interested to hear what they have for it I actually saw eyes not watch os that's apples yeah thing but yeah they're gonna they're like completely remodeling their OS for their Android watches and all their other wearables I'm pretty excited about it where OS where OS which is understandable why you may have gotten yeah I'm surprised you started with where I know yeah I am to most of the times I don't care about it but I'm pretty interested to hear what they have for it this timer I would also for me personally I know you didn't just ask but I'm gonna tell you anyway I'm interested to see what they do with Google home they've obviously been trying to take a lot of market share away from the Amazon echo are they gonna show potentially new hardware maybe they're gonna have a Google home with a screen on it I know that they partnered with a couple other companies to create those types of devices maybe they're gonna come out with their own who knows yeah I'm expecting them to talk about that a lot more I know you did a pretty deep dive into that during CES when they announced it but I actually haven't heard of anything related to that since then yeah so I'm hoping to hear more about that it it's very interesting this the first Google i/o where like the Android stuff to me is the least exciting thing yeah one of the things that I read about speaking of Android Android pee they're probably going to talk about this obviously its developer conference apparently most of the navigation buttons are going to be removed from the bottom you're only gonna have the home button and it's going to be replaced with gesture controls which for me is gonna probably be pretty annoying I which from an iphone to android a couple months ago and just getting used to the muscle memory of moving things around with that I may have to relearn that all over again which is gonna be a little bit annoying I hope that all of Android pees features are designed around a notch at the top even if your phone doesn't have it so really really horrible last also a RvR maybe we'll see more about daydream I don't know there's there's a lot that they could potentially talk about over the next two days maybe they're gonna get into a dating app I'm not sure I really hope not okay next the Microsoft build developer conference starts today but we were expect from that one it's gonna be much more like enterprise and business focused we're gonna see AI stuff maybe Alexa a lot of what they're gonna be doing is focused on the cloud I pretty sure that's where Microsoft is you know putting all their eggs it's like that's the basket they're putting all their eggs into I hope I got that ATM correct honey I know you got it I mean you're right about the cloud stuff yeah they're really pushing more into enterprise and cloud which means that the expectation that they're gonna have like new consumer hardware seems unlikely but you never actually know last Sunday marked the 20th anniversary if the iMac Apple's all-in-one desktop the computer was first unveiled May 6th 1998 by Steve Jobs and it had a colorful sorry colorful translucent egg-shaped housing the system had a 233 megahertz PowerPC processor 4 gigabytes hard drive and it's sold for $1,299 in the US I actually wonder how much that cost now when you adjust for inflation it was probably way more you're right it was probably like twice as much as that more than like two grand or something like that anyway if you want to read more about these stories check us out on CNET I'm Ben Fox Ruben I'm alfred Aang thanks for listening my favorite part of the show is where you almost forgot your name I was waiting for him to jump in and I was like wait I was supposed to do it first yes when you queue out your the fuses first one out thank you for joining you think I know how to do the show by now you know only on where we get 300 as always thanks everybody for joining us for the recording of the podcast I'm gonna jump into the chat see if you guys got any good questions or comments to keep the conversation going on the meantime we do want to know what your wish your wish list I can't talk either for Google i/o is going to be and yeah in the meantime I kind of missed the old game box piece like you know we give Apple a lot of crap but that was at least fun back in it was your estimate was actually pretty like on the ball I just looked it up online adjusting for inflation that price would have been 1984 dollars today yeah 1984 dollars I don't like their boy 1984 dollars you mean now 1984 yeah that's a lot of money for a desktop I suppose I mean if anybody's even buying desktops anymore all I remember about the iMac is that I would see it on like Nickelodeon on like all those like TV shows and they know that's a cool looking computer but they would have it because they don't have the rights to like show apples logo they like redesign to make a look like a pear or like a banana yeah like any other fruit I remember those they did that on Zootopia to where the rabbit has a carrot it was a carrot it was a carrot phone which was kind of funny I remember we had them in college that's where I used them and they were just kind of like fun and silly and I was very much in like a Windows world back then and so any time I jumped onto a Mac I was just like what the hell is this kind of like what it was like in our like typing classes then - mmhmm yeah cool do we have any questions or sure let's take one from Sandro G my wish list for IO is to let me use hallo from my default message app Android messages compares to compare to ollow sucks it's the first time I think I've heard that one you interesting you mentioned what is it a low or a low I am wrong I think it's a low I never use it and it's one of like many many messaging services that if you're in the Android world are available to you I have to say that I don't have a lot of experience with it just because there are so many different yeah messaging services it's very interested how fragmented the Android messaging world is like I used hang out like all the time but yeah I'll have a friend who's like I'm using like you know Alec can you like contact me there or can you just like send me a text or something like that it's very frustrating and you know what if Allah does went out in the end I don't care I really just hope that Google just says here is one thing that we're using for everything right that's it we settled it we're not gonna be making 10 more new messaging apps that being said I don't think they're gonna be talking because like I don't think like IO really does have a history of them showing off they're like messaging apps or anything but I think they did actually add you know the IO two years ago they unveiled a low I believe a year or two ago I mean I don't think they did it for last year's I definitely didn't talk about at last year's i/o I wasn't here that year before that so mm-hmm I would have no idea yeah either way I feel like it for me at least it doesn't seem like it really took off that much as far as a messaging service so it'd be interesting to see if Google pushes further into that I'm not really sure but yeah we'll see what they decide to do with that one other aspect that I think is interesting we didn't mention that much on the show is Google lends so Google is lenses basically like their visual search where you could point your camera at like a flower and it'll tell you what type of flower it is or a tree it'll tell you what type of tree it is you pointed it at a restaurant and it'll tell you what its hours of operation are stuff like that so it's kind of like taking Google search out into the real world I've always been really interested in that I don't think I have it on my phone if I do it's not readily available or anything I'm very skeptical of any news coming out related it's that only because they like this is one of the things they announced last year mhm and they're still rolling it and we were like pretty excited about it although we really cool like we can find out how many stores this restaurant has or something like that or and then like we just never heard of it again so it's because it's still coming to phones yeah in February our colleague rich never wrote that google lens is coming two more phones what is it furred I think it's like Samsung phones and LG but before you had to have a pixel phone to use it so it's something that's taking a long time to roll out and I think once it starts getting on more phones it'll give people more of a reason to stick in the Android world number one and number two I think it would just be like a really handy tool to use yeah I mean if it works perfectly and if it's easily available then yeah I'm gonna be excited about it but I don't know I don't really like getting excited about things that like I can't really use you don't like getting excited about things no you know what he's right though because I remember there was one Google conference where they showed off like the Babel Fish yeah remember that thing that and I was like I was oh I was so thrilled about it I was like oh my god they have like translation earbuds this is incredible and really all it was was a piece of hardware that put Google Translate in your ear it was very you know clunky yeah executing well at all now and the demo made it seem like oh my god you could just walk around with these in a foreign country and understand our Trek style yeah so I don't I don't get my I don't get my hopes up anymore about anything because of the Babel Fish well because of other things there's really nothing left in life to like look forward to and everything sucks happy Monday everybody hey how long until the no you know I'm gonna save that one I'm gonna save too depressing I'm gonna stay from our resident Google guru Michael Brown what's up sir I'm interested in what they're talking about with Android messages and definitely interested in the new user experience for Android P gesture controls and material design too oh and let's not forget about Google Play being changed and sandro g wants to know exactly how we're gonna see that get changed i has touched on it late getting changed tell me about that i've you got me dude I'm not the reporter I'm just a button-pusher I don't know actually there's so much going on well it sounds like there's going to possibly be a rebranding by the sounds of it that's tentative all speculation all rumor mill but in effort potentially combining the forces of the pre-existing Google Play with YouTube bred into one synonymous enter payment entity but that's what I'm reading between the lines are we talking about the Google Play app store or we're talking about Google Play Music I think music I think we're talking about the entertainment that could make sense that sounds interesting to me sounds logical to me yeah Plus Google Play Music to me is not that useful for having your own library it takes a little bit longer to search for stuff and to actually play stuff at least in my own personal use but I feel like Apple also kind of screwed up and made it harder for you to have your own catalog and have your own library they're all trying to basically have you pay monthly for their streaming services what Penn pay money yeah but like if you've had a library that you've acquired and developed over the course of years they're then taking this thing and you know shunting it off to the side and making a little bit harder for you to find it and search for it I feel Google play music too the same thing as iTunes Dead Sea that's why Arians I was the personal fan of google play music when it came out because I let me upload things that weren't in their cloud and I could keep mine in my own personal cloud as part of the subscription why aren't you a fan of it anymore I still am but I got when I was in the beta I got cut off right because they only let you put up so many and I have entirely too big a music collection so when they expanded that I got lazy and never went back so that's my fault but on paper I love that concept and someday I'll go back to it I think it could be interesting if they combined it with YouTube bread because I think as we've been discussing Google has maybe a few too many alternatives a few too many options and maybe consolidating a little bit yeah would be really useful for users especially for people like me who are mega collectors and super anally organized about everything in the collection YouTube bread might be work a little differently than the way like Google Play music works though just because like I think with Google Play Music they usually have to get the rights to a lot of the songs kind of how like how Spotify or you know Apple music works but YouTube is a pretty like large source of like pirated music so I feel like it's a like very different for them mmm pirated yeah there's your there's like stuff that's on YouTube I like you wouldn't be able to fine on Spotify or like sprite or Apple music like that and like they just download and upload it for free on there so that like puts in a whole different like you know issue for for copyrights and stuff I'm not a Youtube Brad user so I don't know it's interesting it's basically YouTube but you can listen to it with like your phone off like your screen off mm-hmm like on the standby mode or whatever we need to get Joan back in here is what we need people always complain about Spotify not properly paying the artists and labels their dues but I want to get more perspective on how angered they are by the piracy problems with YouTube and how much stuff gets leaked out and how YouTube just kind of pays it off and brushes it under the rug mmm yeah I mean there's been a lot written about how YouTube is this giant platform that Google has a really hard time getting ahold of similar to issues of Facebook so runaway train yeah I feel like they they all like created these like extremely popular platforms and they're now struggling to figure out how to control them APEC says I have Google music and if I change the YouTube red music which I might have I probably change to Spotify especially if the change in the Google music app over to YouTube it's all kind of weird I wonder how many people this would turn off if you're a current user of Google Play is that merging going to chase you away if your user if YouTube red is it going to I don't know do you embrace it do you hate it sound off in the comments until then let's jump back to Michael Brown he says do you wish Android and Google were more like Apple and they didn't give us as much of a user's choice and there's a lot sounding off about the gesture controls and being able to opt in and out of those sort of options with the mobile OS what's what's your take away I mean I don't mind more options and apps like I use hangouts and then I also use whatsapp and signal to like connect with different people I think it's absurd when one company uses like gives you multiple options for things that have the same function like for messaging if I have to use hangouts allo I don't like messaging yeah and and and then that also comes with like if I'm using you know Android on a Samsung phone then there's like Samsung messaging and then Verizon for some reason things that they have a messaging app too none of which I can delete by the way it it just doesn't make any sense it'd be like you know or it's like frustrating for users yeah you won't open up the phone you're not even sure which one to use so Google had it pretty well with like Gmail for a while and like it'd be like if Google had like okay we have Gmail and then we have mega Gmail and like hello inbox Gmail like that kind of thing whereas like no you just have Gmail from Google I mean now they have an inbox app but that's still connected to your Gmail account like that's my point where's Lana I am getting very confused by it exactly making good point like one company shouldn't have like four different apps that all do the same thing that's not providing options that's just making things inconvenient for everybody I agree it's a sure though to be sure a lot of Android users especially complain about the fact that Apple is too closed off yeah doesn't provide enough options so there's you kind of have to figure out where you fit in the balance there's no happy medium and that well I take a lot of issue with that myself I've been Apple user for a long time because I'm lazy I like things just kind of done taking care of this is how it works and then Apple continued to kind of close that fist until you're just kind of stuck in that ecosystem and since then I've moved over to Android I very much like my experience but it can be very daunting it's just like I just want to listen to something do I need to go hunting for it I would also like to throw out there having switched from Apple to Android I have no idea why people like write love letters to AI messages like it's not that much better than any of the other messaging services on Android I don't actually like whatever some like love letters I just thought I've read them in different current periodicals of note that people really really love my messages and it's super easy one of them like worse things that I've seen and these are just like scoring caps that I've seen on Twitter and Tumblr is you know somebody will message somebody for like a date or something like that and then they'll get the green bubble back it's like oh you don't use an iPhone forget it and I'm like yeah what's bad that's what they like look it's like somebody's not gonna date you because like the phone that you use or like the operating system you clearly dodged a bullet there so congratulations yeah we definitely need to get John back in here because this entire conversation has spawned a lot of chatter about alternatives like SoundCloud Hunter Manson says what do you guys think about SoundCloud they have the same problem like YouTube just a little more under control again they give the artists a lot more control but I also don't think SoundCloud has the algorithmic priority piracy prevention that YouTube does so if somebody's just out there Lee contract it's kind of on the artists I'm don't quote me on that one I'm not 100% sure Chris garner also says that SoundCloud the audio quality sucks SoundCloud files are limited to 128 kilobits that is true until I think you go to premium which lets you go up to 256 again not 100% sure because a premium client but yeah SoundCloud is an interesting platform it does give you a lot more creative control a lot of artists are embracing it as a one-to-one it's kind of a Twitter of music at this point I'm a fan I'm always a threat of shutting down yeah unfortunately yeah so yeah for that no thanks guys we'll definitely have Joan in hear back soon because she is the music expert I really like music apps like iTunes tune in the stitcher feedburner and play music yeah which the 3:59 podcast is available yeah let's take some more questions before we run out of time Hunter Manson says I would like Google to give an update on Google glass I know it wasn't you popular that popular originally but it seems like the glass can get work done if you use it for that work point taken and I think it's still being used and in like in work place I mean they haven't shuttered it we know that yeah there there were rumors and plans for like an update to it around last year when Roger was working on a Google glass related story but then that kind of like just like went to the wayside I don't know if they're gonna be talking about it at i/o at all but I would imagine that if they are going to be doing any more like public work on Google glass that AR is probably gonna be a pretty big focus of that yeah my strong suspicion with any of these is that if not this year then in a future year you will be seeing more Google glass like devices Google has definitely been developing Google glass it's out in the market maybe they're gonna come out with 2.0 at some point we know Apple is working on something similar you know Amazon is - I think a lot of these companies when you want them themselves to be very much in the forefront of your thinking by just being on your face at all times and there's an enormous amount of control like just a lot that they can do if they come out with the glasses tight too bad they could they could never ever compete with the immense success of the snapchat spectacles wizard now the top-selling wearable glasses is that true I mean what competition do that oh yeah yeah you're right the question at hand is can Google glass make it not look goofy yeah I think I came up the solution to this we talked about this a few weeks ago with the Google monocle yeah yeah that would be awesome and then they can do it with us they could do it like shaped like io2 if like the monocle being the oh and then like the the chain is like the big like a big eye you guys know that I love your ideas and I'm not on board with they could call it eye oh this is like a buy a so over your eye okay good night everybody it's been great having you it's a let's take just a couple more questions before we wrap it up for the day from Michael Brown one more time on the subject of fragmentation is it bad to have the choice or do we always want one thing that is the thing I think this is going back to the great question the chat apps again is a good place to jump off for that I it depends which operating system you want to use if you think that apple provides that best choice every single time then you're probably going to be an Apple user if you want to have more selection and test out different things then you're probably more likely you're gonna be Android for me I'm happy with Android even though it does take a little bit more effort I would say but that's that's what people say about the difference between the two of them and I think it's a little bit of a shame that there isn't a third option out there we like blackberry and Windows Phone got killed off and it would have been nice to at least have something else in consideration nothing else I've already said everything I wanted to and then he's checked out he's checked out after the Monaco ok this best idea so on closing thoughts Matthew dad sure wants to know anyone placing bets on Android pees named the P tapes oh come on boo hate you so much right G what can I have to delete that later Android PI Android peanut butter P model doodoo one that's not horrible what are you talking about alright fine we're gonna wrap the show Alfred take us out no wait wait wait no no come on there's got to be something out there it's it so what we had Android Oreo what is a P P no that's not my nutty buddy they know I gotta go do something nondescript it's got to be a brand right hmm I feel like Wario is one of their first brands well KitKat was also a breath out right you're the only KitKat and although we had marshmallow ice cream sandwich maybe pie maybe pie but wouldn't that kind of infringe on like the Raspberry Pi well they don't own pie I guess I don't know it'd be confusing I think from a branding standpoint any other good takeaways on the chat we want to Oh Matthew Duchess is peppermint patty pecan pie yeah maybe peppermint that's not bad I like pecan pie because then you get the double P I mean I like pecan pie in general but I don't think it's a good name it'll be funny when they get to cue Android punch their stuffs I think I'm in tune with cue exotic okay so reminding everybody the i/o is tomorrow what time oh I think it starts at 1:00 p.m. Eastern I believe I am thank you thank you very much for saving me on that and lo and behold Cena will be running a live show from 12:30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time 9:30 a.m. Pacific time doing coverage pre during and post the keynote so please tune in if you can we'd love to have you we're still gonna be on tomorrow then right as far as I know there's no plans to bump the show because it's not gonna infringe on the scheduled livestream that the San Francisco team will be doing so us here in New York will be your precursor to the Google keynote if anything changed as that we'll be sure to tweet it out and follow us 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