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good Monday morning on April seventeenth it is episode 211 of the 359 podcast my name is bvg and happy dyngus day to my fellow pollocks buffalony ins and green pointers out there in the house today we have our good friends Joe nice oldman and Roger Cheng and what are we talking about today is Sunday I suppose I throw this of me or am I supposed to do no no it's a boy if your dingus day boys polish boy store water and girls and hit them with willows right to express their lives all sounds like it's just on the cusp of being dirty but it's not it's will it's a cultural heritage all right I it's like completely going over my head right now second that's cool are we talking about Facebook's developer conference f8 and no that's not fast and furious aid or fate of the Furious sorry that's tomorrow fela sorry Facebook developer conference is tomorrow marks like birds can be speaking so we're keen to hear what he has to say given the last year of controversy we'll also talk about the the new season of Silicon Valley which premieres this coming Sunday I don't know about you guys but I'm a big fan yeah our own sharp tip can get to go to the premiere last week and was able to pick out some of the best bits from a panel discussion that they all had either lastly we couldn't go through a show that talking for the Star Wars trailer because my geek I have to talk about star you're not alone there we go so as always if you have any questions about any topics or anything else at this point lead up the comments section Brian will pick up the best and we'll answer it in three minutes and 59 seconds from precisely 32 welcome to the 359 when we talk about the top tech news of the day and all the crap we want to throw in I'm Roger J and I'm Joanie salzman Facebook is set to hold its f8 developer conference tomorrow and what we want to know is what Mark Zuckerberg is going to say it's been a year of controversy of fake news grisly murders broadcast on the network as well as its supposed influence on the presidential election so zech sort of has to address this controversy right well I don't know that'll be an interesting thing to see he had that opus that he posted yep however many thousands of thousands of words it was and so maybe that was him kind of clearing the pipe so that he can just you know kind of do demos of silly little VR things right yeah stuff yeah but I think that it would be really meaningful if he does step up and address it when he has that platform because I think it's something that people have been disappointed that he doesn't do run a more proactive basis when he has to actually like show his face not in like a Facebook post that's pruned and polished and right actually kind of off somewhat off the cuff on stage yeah in real life as opposed to a yet polished blog post right yeah I don't know what we'll see like in terms of the other stuff and obviously you cover VR a lot or you what are you hoping or wine to see from facebook in terms of VR for VR um that's a really good question i think that what is really interesting that VR hasn't moved into are some of the things that they teased last time which is bring social elements into it absolutely and so it'll be interesting to see if how quickly oculus is actually going to make good on being able to deliver that thing because I haven't delivered on any of that stuff right since the last time and I think the last August conference they showed off some of the chat features yeah like you said incorporate some of those social elements into the VR experience we haven't seen any of that now so be yeah it'd be nice if they actually dress it is a two day conference so if they don't do it day one there might be a chance that they address it on on day two all right next up the new season Silicon Valley premieres on Sunday but our own shower tip caen got a chance to attend the premiere and hear from the cast big news more women and supposedly more sex on the show I want is to say any sex right right right that doesn't involve a horse it is very interesting to me if you read through a char story and I had a chance to edit it um you know even though there was discussion of having more women involved a panel discussion was actually still dominated by all the male casas right interesting so we'll see it I think they're gonna bring in you you new talent in terms of female actors they're gonna have more regular roles there so it's been aside from Amanda Cruz who plays Monica right uh you know it's been of their has a really real consists of female presence right so i think that from Shara's reporting there's going to be three coders that are female on the new on the new venture yep that the Pied Piper dudes are going to be venturing into dudes are going to be venturing into so that gives the opportunity to have their be kind of more characters that women rather than one representative of them just a woman it does remind me a bit of big bang theory when that show started was just thinking it was just penny and a bunch of dudes and now it's sort of like this weird even mix so maybe they're slowly evolving that way to can't balance things out no I don't know I lastly the new Star Wars last Jedi trailer dropped last week I'm blown away but that's not surprised because I'm a giant geek and I love Star Wars I think Star Wars but would you think Joan as a more objective view right things what did you think I thought it was um effective and that I'm definitely gonna go see it yeah um because i think you know we talked about this before like it plays on every single like synapse that fires having chemicals in your brain yes it like builds the crescendo it has like that dramatic i mean it has everything that you could want right if you already are among the like bazillion of people i care yeah Star Wars which is basically everybody on the planet because it's like the most successful franchise ever and how many times did you guys watch the trailer I watched it twice because i watch the second right now i'm at i think i'm at five times six alright so bvg you have a salt beat all right for these stories and more tricks on Cena I'm Roger Cheng Jody salzman thanks for listening so I think the first and foremost let's put a conversation piece into the chat if anyone's had any particularly negative experiences with Facebook regarding let's say fake news or or trolling or anything like that yeah being in a bubble that's not a bubble yeah we'd love to hear from you in the chat to kind of get this conversation a little more depth beyond what Zuckerberg had to say and starting first and foremost Lance in the chat says will they ever get a handle the political overload hmm I mean that's more importantly will your friends ever get a handle on the political overload uh it's such an interesting question because they feel like that they kind of need that that cycle that the rhetoric all that stuff it helps feed the beast of facebook uh in terms of getting you to like stay on there all the time yeah yeah I don't know as well I'm Shem I'm hoping they do address it in some way but you know like Jones said like Mark has already talked about this in his giant manifesto so we'll see how deeply they get into it I don't know yeah it's kind of like a tension between is Mark Zuckerberg gonna play by his normal rules and not talk about it at all right or is he gonna like cuz the thing that's the criticism is that he avoids talking about these issues yeah and so it's kind of like will this be an opportunity for him to break from that track record and kind of have maiya culpa in public yep I'm in front of people I personally think there's just got to be a lot of action called action for the users to actively start filtering like it it's all about self education you know it's it's the it's the player not the game and in my personal opinion very very personal opinion I mean if I see something I really argue against and I can you know see like blogspot com I can pretty much filter that out right um it's it's a you know we were taught in in school to cite your resources right yeah you got to maintain that but you know what that doesn't happened for most people they just sort of see what they see the headline they don't see their sources like that that's sort of the issue right anyone can post anything on facebook and it can go viral and most people like most people don't check their sources that's ultimately it right I think that you've got a good point that there needs to be more education of people about what to trust online and how you learn how to trust yes what's right I don't trust the guy out on the corner on the soapbox scream right bullhorn right I think that there's definitely merit to like the fact that everybody that culturally we all things have just changed so fast culturally kids in school the people that teach them everybody needs to have a better grasp on how to interact with society mmm through the internet and on the internet but also like effing Facebook is friggin huge like you can solve these problems like if there are problems friggin solve them you know like you have you say you have the smartest brains in the world so prove it yeah they posting we're all coasting at this point they're coasting on it's like well we're still getting clicks we're still getting money we're coasting on well this is my comfort zone and I don't have to do anything else this makes me feel good I mean that's yeah that's a good point to it for the user I mean we'd naturally gravitate towards something like horses our beliefs or so if we like no I'm youtubers they just let go and watch something they hate so they can comment on it pray right hate watching is a tone phenomenon but yeah like you said Facebook's got algorithms that basically gear the site towards what you want to see right exactly yeah and there is something but potentially innocent about that like yeah I want to see more Star Wars stuff in my feed but right that's not really up to me one hundred percent now is it and that's the other algorithm gets yeah you'd buy your surrounding audience by your surrounding community that's true but also facebook makes it difficult for you to have that kind of control over what you see yeah like it's very hard for you to like I really like to have a linear um a linear feed like the Twitter style just everything that in the order chronological the way that comes it's really hard to like just tell Facebook just give it to me the time that is posted yeah you can only do it for like you have to like do it on the web you have to it only lasts for 24 hours then it resets back to their algorithm because um they make it hard for them not to have they make it hard for you to have the control that they want yeah you think maybe that inclusion of the algorithm is really what kind of set it on that kind of downhill trend getting away from the the current the chronological I don't know if it's getting away from that if that's aI don't know if like algorithm is wrong it's just it's it's based on this premise that there's somebody that's deciding what the algorithm there's a small set of people that are deciding what algorithm is and those people usually aren't people who are trained to think about consequences like murders being lives right yeah or you know that's not what they're there to deliver so it's not their job to figure that out but when you're as big as Facebook and these things are happening you need to hire people to figure out how to not have that sort of conflict with great power comes great responsibility true extraordinaire Lee true it's true they've got a lot of power a lot of power oh yeah well we got a few people in the chat who want to talk about VR and AR yasiel our buddy awwww through VR how can this be used for social networking now we talked about dating right yeah yeah yeah there's jiading or our intern Sam rugs actually got on a VR date yeah the idea that you can you can meet and interact with someone you know across the country in in a similar location he may not be next to each other physically but in that virtual world you are nice to each other you you know she said she mentioned actually the VR host that had that simulated date with her like kind of styled up next to her virtually and she even thought was a little creepy and I thought was kind of an interesting like that that would go through a brain like oh this you're standing too yeah you're too little lulu closer debating my personal you can be like a thousand miles in virtual space exactly uh which i mean i think that that's a good example that social element just i think the example that was a displayed last year the oculus conference was that it could sort to chat right vr chat with your wife you could bring in VR elements into this space that you you're sharing with her um yeah I mean I think there's there's tons opportunities there that i think would actually make vr more of a thing that we'd want yeah everyday experience one of the big criticisms of VR warranted or not is that it's an isolated experience yes so that yeah yeah takes some of that away although just kind of like drop all these images from like sci-fi movies of just people sitting yeah like the matrix obviously is yeah obvious lawnmower man yeah you just everyone is sitting in this little room with their little goggles I'm thinking of wall-e of all the fat people drinking there's yeah well you're gonna discreet yeah let's put a call back out to the chat what's your VR wish list for social networks I got one personally yeah be kind of cool to resurrect obsolete experiences for example ah as much as I love netflix there's a piece of me that misses going to blockbuster what if there was essentially Ali Ansari rowdy denial you walk in the aisles looking for something to watch and then there's some annoying kid behind the counter who keeps telling you how great the matrix reloaded it uh yeah I'm old enough to remember that spending countless hours with my friends walking through the aisles like above this movie now sucks there's something that was kind of funny i like i used to kill hours just wandering and yams out absolutely before the internet was a thing right especially block where they'd have like 50 copies of the latest crappy blockbuster Brian like incorporate IMDb so you pick up the box off the shelf and like the full spread comes up in the rotten tomatoes rating comes someone's probably working on this see they've listen to this podcast yeah idea niche audience of bvg have to address I'm not market of the Ox saying that blockbuster should come back it's still antiquated experience but it would be kind of fun to relive generally yeah aces group is asking what is Facebook's plan for AI well I know um that they use AI a lot in what the things that I know about Facebook an AI right now in terms of the network they use it a lot in like photo tagging they want to do use it a lot of accessibility do you know of other I mean they mentioned also he's mentioned using AI to thwart terrorism procurement especially on Facebook worth a lotta stuff kind of happens mean is that more than just keyword filtering though I imagine yeah like basically looking at I guess discussions or keywords and kind of putting it all together sure um I mean that's it was a very kind of like stated broad topic goal for the facebook i don't know how it actually would work in practice but I mean they definitely bought that up there are different applications for you I so that's definitely an interesting application I feel like that would be extraordinarily difficult to does it be continually usurped they would outsmart the AI yes uh it depends right appends on how deep they go if they're actually carrying into your chats into your posts like but then we come up to the conversation of privacy yes yeah which has always been a dicey one for facebook yeah yeah go figure so yeah alright we've got enough through the heavy we're running out of time let's talk about stone sneak out oh yeah all right Roger you're okay so we've got two different perspectives on this not the Jones a hater but Jones not a hater at all I'm just more that Joan did not come or a rational observer who phenomenon I love Star Wars watch this kid I'm gonna see the movies you can look at it fairly objectively yes yes we can no more adaptive yeah yeah totally it's a really good teaser it is we're just saying like it's really good because it doesn't give away anything but I don't really know much about the story we know that the characters are coming back no kidding right and that's a really we know we know uh Luke's gonna train ray right like that's yeah but that was pretty obviously it's not gonna be like really outta here will he cuz of Jedi must end yeah but Willy yeah Willy and how William the Jedi so I mean that's why it makes a great teacher like you know nothing that's going on as opposed to the spider-man trailer we're just like okay I already seen it we know that we know the movie deal thanks guys i have a few speculative concepts i want to just kind of put out there ooh first and foremost i think that this will in fact be the end of the dark and the light side which is a good social political reflection on modern philosophies about how we become such a great society there's no more like blatant evil blame good sure there's still other points out there but we've become so much more amalgam asst is that a word yeah I like the idea that it's great cuz it that's one thing that was bothered me what the whole dark and light side was like if you're on the light side like you can't do anything you can't get married like you have to you're basically you're a priest right there taking all these vows of everything and seem kind of weird to me like how did well if you've been watching Star Wars rebels and even earlier on and clone wars it started introduced this idea through the character of asoka where she's like I'm tired of this you're both wrong oh when I land in the middle they've introduced an important concept right rebels that predates a new hope where that is become an increasingly popular concept and how that you know even throughout the entire hex ology so far that that has been like this is the old ways you know right the light and the dark well that would make sense because the at the end of the return Jedi right or really actually I'm sorry go back to the prequels as much as people hate that the idea of like bringing balance to the force and we knew it wasn't Anakin ultimately it's luke and so if Lucas bring balance more snow it's still technically Anakin million came back that was the whole point well now furthermore I want to expand on that idea what if I select the idea that brain balance of the forest means it's not dark and light like it's dark and light kind of coexisting in one person exactly and I think we're going to attic you know it that only happened for Anakin for like five seconds of any that was still hey what's the word I'm looking for not resolution I guess it was kind of resolution anyways I think we're gonna get a reevaluation and find out that in fact the important playing parties are not just the Skywalker's but also the Kenobi's because i really really really believe that Ray is a Kenobi and we're good i know that it was always an important part to have its Skywalker and Kenobi bring balance to the force and that's going to be our new duet we're going to see kylo come back Ray's going to bring them back and they're going to take down Snoke and then there's going to be no more political or but I don't know a wiping of the politicizing of force-users just just my personal thoughts as I go in you know overexcited I do analyzing I do ultimately hope that whatever happens that they do shake things up a bit cuz like I love for soybeans when I first watched it and even watched it again but then like as I thought about more and more over time like this is really just our same thing mix which is also fine it's fine but like the right now yeah you kind of want things to be shaken up a bit right give me some fresh give me something yeah yeah I feel like as the objective like observer I'm kind of like I want the force to just be light and dark cuz then it's a perfect cookie bite like but look at where we come as people who have grown up on Star Wars yeah I've been attracted to the simplification and as it's grown up with us I wanted to complex we will not be more mature soap opera we develop and grow with us yeah although it's looking modern a philosophy that said I mean ultimately these movies are still being made for kids we'll see if if they go there may be made for a broad audience boos kids which makes it easier if you're just like light dark I am lights and toys you're bad i'm going you and do a new toy new vehicles here here's an interesting theory from don't worry ray turns to the dark side and kylo and Luke have to fight her oh oh I'll be badass that would be shaking things up I don't know if they go that far I bet we'll at least get like an alternative universe comic were they oh yeah they've already done justice for DC there was the kind of but there was a star wars series a couple of decade or so ago called infinities where Leia was the chosen one uh it was an interesting concept look him up those are good books it's completely non-canonical but once again you impressed me with your cyclopedia knowledge of all deep cuts yeah nothing better to do d because all right that's probably a good place and it yeah let's go watch the trailer again alright if you liked anything you saw or heard here check us on cnet our podcasts also available on itunes stitcher SoundCloud feedburner and google play music see y'all tomorrow bye bye everybody