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with Jeff on vacation this week I got a host open tab and Joe I am so scared what makes you so sure the commenters every time I'm on the show they make fun of everything my checkered shirts to my sugary drink choices to the fact that it looks like I've been doing my homework when I'm just trying to read their comments on the air Mike you're gonna do fine you just need a little courage let me give you this Joe what tha jo what is this not just a dongle it's the courage to move away from headphones and do things the way Apple wants us Joe are you kit wait I could do it yes I can do it I have the courage I could host the show it's gonna be great that's it now where do i plug this thing on to listen to some tunes seriously just get a different phone from last year be easier that way well that's all the time we have for today what's up welcome to open tab and I am NOT Jeff Bakalar he is away on a likely beautiful vacation far far away from the iphone 7 my name is mike sorrentino and this week i'll be taking the reins of our conversation show where we talk about the week in tech with you live on livestream and youtube so join us right now send us your questions and comments right now in the YouTube chat John staring at right now you send us a questions using hashtag open tab and we'll wrap them all up to answer you i later in the show right now we're here to of cnet's top audio experts executive better david carr doy thank you so much for being here thanks for having me and returning to our show associate air just in you thanks so much for joining us too it's good to be back Mike awesome how you doin my guys good so in crazy crazy week and a half fish with like Apple things sure I mean I mean the onslaught of stuff obviously the release of the actual and iphone 7 7 plus today so people now have it in their hands yet people are apparently in New York here where breakdancing and the line one of our colleagues offered eng was a took a gif of the guys breakdancing apple store employee specifically we're break dancing while people are buying phones and it always kind of you using me how happy people get about buying expensive gadgets i guess do they still have the Apple employees that applaud you when you come out yes at first that was the first the first guy who buys a phoner gal they pass through the whole day another colleague of ours I was chatting with Caitlyn she bought our phone this morning too and there were people like cheering people on as they were dropping seven hundred dollars fools all of our motors um oh yeah so the iphone 7 7 plus they're now out in the wild and earlier this week Scott Stein reviewed the devices which now support water resistance improved cameras and battery life but as everyone expected over rumors for months no headphone jack at all instead they include an adapter and Bluetooth audio support so you guys have both spent a lot of time reviewing a variety of headphones with without headphone jacks when announcement came out do you think losing the port's a big deal nowadays we have so many bluetooth audio uh devices out there now I'll start yeah I think it's a huge deal yeah I was really upset by it i'm still wondering if there are people that were shopping for the headphone for the iphone that don't know it doesn't have the headphone jack i'd love to see that reaction even today but yeah i think it's it's a huge deal even though obviously apples not the first company to release bluetooth earbuds I just don't think that their version of them are good enough to sort of warrant that decision mmm I I actually disagree i was a little bit concerned i thought about it for a while i've written a bunch of articles on it and in the end I was like you know I don't think it's that big a deal um partially because at least there's someone I was more worried they're going to charge thirty dollars for the adapter at least they put it in the box hopefully you don't lose it um but and then you know I just think right now the market is really swinging towards wireless headphones anyway so it's already over a fifty percent of revenue or sales going to and that's going to keep increasing and at least now you know good wired headphone is going to be a a wireless headphone a bluetooth headphone but it's finally bluetooth is finally getting to the point where it actually sounds pretty good Apple did that before when they moved from 30-pin to lightning the adapter for that was about i think twenty to thirty dollars and this time it's only nine dollars for that 3.55 into lightning but i was very much expecting it to be thirty bucks and some of the competitors which might get to a little later they still charging thirty to forty dollars and they I'd like multiple lightning ports or an inline remote to the thing yeah i mean i think that apple's trying to make it as seamless as possible to move people away from it at the same time i think the the benefits of not having it it's supposedly there's a little bit better battery life there's also the waterproofing obviously there's phones out there that have a headphone jack that are still water proof so the idea that you're getting something in return you are getting that second speaker I don't know how much of a difference that makes butts gonna make a little bit of difference but the idea of selling that loss with another gain they're trying their best to do that hmm yeah the thing that the accessor that I love the most I think you wrote about it this week David was by a company called spigen I wish we had them in the office right now but it's an accessory that attaches to your to ear paw ear pods and it's basically just a Langley lanyard to turn your bluetooth earbuds into a wired earbud well it's an Aristo they call that true wireless um true wireless earphones what's the point of that is that just for people that wanted dangle and negligent acts out feelings yeah they're like well I think people a lot of people are afraid that they're gonna lose them if they don't have to carry around that case all the time is that what it is I mean how much does that thing like 30 bucks or something else No ten dollars Oh ten dollars oh well it will be ten dollars but the bridges those air pods are going to be 160 170 dollars 59-59 awesome some 160 then the and maybe it just gives that a little more security if you in case you were to lose or domina I also think that isn't as big a problem with the air pauses people think because you just I've been using a lot of these totally wireless earphones for last a few months and once you put it back in the case you just put in your pocket and they're stowed away just like having headphones any case what I will say is I think what people are going to be shocked about is how many people buy these air pots and then use a single air pod as basically their way of making calls like all those you know they've sold literally millions of LG tone neckband style headphones and the idea what that is you can use them as stereo buds but at the same time you'll see a lot of people just pull a butt up to use as a single but to make calls so I mean I think I think that's what's gonna surprise people how many people end up you see them wearing one of those things and there's and you do need to put it back into the case at least every couple of hours to get that full 24 hours yeah I mean I look I kate's charge of the earbuds to the thing that I was really surprised about what the air pods is that you can't change the track by touching a part of there's no button on the actual air buds a lot we're going to show a bunch of examples of bluetooth earbuds that came out prior to the air pods and those all have some way or another to either control the volume or change the track of both and I think that's going to frustrate a lot of people when they buy them to you spend 160 bucks you still have to pull out your phone change the track or turn the volume up I'm not so sure about I mean I think it's more you know I think apples focused on making them dead easy to connect and stay connected in a very reliable connection those are the two things that are problematic with these truly wireless so that's where everything was focused so when you pull one of these these buds out it is connected to your phone you're done and that is appeal it going to be appealing to a lot of people yeah especially if you have the entire ecosystem to I mean it's not just your phone if you have it's connected by iCloud right so if you have ipad or you have a watch it'll connect to all those automatically which is pretty convenient too but you have to have all those devices in order to buy it I mean if anything people are going to be possibly slightly disappointed by the sound I think they sound fine but because they're an open design first of all they let some sound in so if you're in a noisy environment you'll have some sound leaking and also you're not going to get a ton of base so if you're a base lover I don't know if the air polish going to be for you yeah you're definitely trading convenience for a sound alright so let's start off with them some examples for the headsets that you guys have tried out what I want some headphones that are like on the lower end a little more affordable that would be compatible compatible with a phone like the iphone 7 or the Moto Z that doesn't have a headphone jack but it's still wireless and would be easily able to connect to multiple devices which David's been testing water well this one this one I just got yesterday it's just coming out now from from ifrogz it's a sports headphone its water resistant has a little magnet so you clip it onto your shirt and it gets better a little bit better it gets better battery life because it you can put everything here so gets about 10 hours of battery life and then you you would either clip it onto your shirt so hope I stay secure that way i can t shirt and then you put it you know you then you put it in your ears and they fit pretty well they're lightweight $35 you might seem pretty good even a little bit cheaper they sell they sound pretty decent so i think um there's going to be a ton of these types of headphones hitting the market you're talking about 25 $35 there's already a bunch of Chinese wireless headphones out there these are the ifrogz summit it's a sports model they also ifrogz has a bunch of other ones they sell a lot of headphones in the you know Walmart the drug stores you'll see these cheap head they sell a lot of cheap headphones in places you you know not best but not the apple store so these are going to actually start sounding okay and work pretty well for very little money I think the advantage of some of the other ones that David brought to he brought the dash here by braggy and that's version 1 they have a second version coming out pretty soon too but the advantage you get by not buying the air box is that a lot of these third-party manufacturers have wireless earbuds that also do more than just listen to music these also have fitness features built-in right yeah there then the higher end then these are three hundred dollar yes yes for cheap ones I give him some cheap ones but they're there these actually fit really well and with the issue with Bragi is a German company when it first came out the some of the features didn't work so well they didn't they weren't staying connected well and they roggies come out with a series of software updates and now they're good uh so and then they're coming out with a less expensive model um just called the headphone they start on Kickstarter yeah I mean they're there this this took a while to come out and if you know there were delays but it is now a very good truly wireless headphone the other one I've been playing around with is this company called Erato and they make these buds here I put the wings on them they're also totally wireless then these are totally wireless and they fit they fit well in your the key again is they stay the wireless connection between them is reliable they stay connected they sound pretty good and they'll stay in your ears and they slip into this case and i haven't lost yet i've been using for a couple weeks and then you just jam it in and this is also it these these come with their own charging cases like the apple so there's power inside of the case as well see it has a battery and it can charge it a few ctrl G said to these a lot of these headphones are only about three to four hours of battery life but when you put them in the case they start charging they turn off automatically pull them out these actually have a little control on me on the bud themselves and then there's the one of the original ones also was these another company called ear in I reminds you of the men in black camera can flash it or Apple pencil that's oh those are earbuds you pull out yeah and this is a swedish company i believe this does not have a microphone and at the both of Bragi and the arado have a microphone for making calls but this one hasn't gotten as good reviews but it definitely has a sleek design and if it my ears and it's it's probably going to come down in price a lot of these because of the air pods you know these were these are two 279 dollar $300 headphones but with the air pods I would suspect they'll start having to come down more towards $200 some of the premium models but they're that the most important thing is basically that they stay connected to your phone and the buds themselves staking it don't drop out there with Bluetooth you so you're always going to get some dropouts the brog ease use and new jabra coming out use actually some a technology that is found in hearing aids that communication that doesn't they the actual connection between the buds as a magnetic connection is not via bluetooth so there's some point we're trying to figure out how Apple is doing its connection to the iphone they made they may be doubling up on the Bluetooth connection for each but some of these headphones are using actually hearing aid technology to make them more do you find the ones that come in cases they fit well in our pockets I'm depicted upses sort of like the size of a lighter in a way a little thicker than that yeah i mean i was a little worried it was gonna slide out if I was in a cab or something like it out and I dropped on the floor I'm grabbing it it's definitely a little slippery doggies pretty big I don't know if you get this is that in your pocket all the time yeah that's that's that's a you know definite first gen product but I suspect their new model which I don't really like the name the headphone I'm going to compare it to this other one and then here is an iphone 6s plus so we happen to have on set it's pretty pretty chunky so you had these like lined up in your pocket but they all they're coming all different streets and sizes yeah I mean I mean obviously the case also one would assume would have a bigger battery and if it's a little bit heavier so you know I think you'll see coming all all shapes and sizes and just inform a couple heads up that you headsets that you tried out I actually wanted to show this one off it's not wireless at all but this is another way to output really good quality sound from your iphone 7 even though it doesn't have a headphone jack obviously the three-and-a-half millimeter to lightning dongle comes in the box but if you want to bypass the DAC inside the phone and get really good quality sound out of your iphone 7 you can buy this it's by a company called audioquest it's called the dragonfly it's about the size of a USB key and when you pop off the cap hear what you have to do is buy this it's 100 bucks but then if you plug this into another adapter which is the iphone camera adapter it's lightning to USB plug this into that is that it has i think that was thirty bucks to i bought it this week and it has a headphone jack on the other side and when you combine those you get a slightly larger dongle than you know what you would get with that but i think the audio benefits are excellent you convert it to 24 bit it's a saber DAC inside of this thing it's really small and compact so for the audio files out there that still want to output really good sound from your iphone 7 i think this is the best solution there are there are also smaller versions of that a lightning cable with it a smaller DAC in it so that that's a little bit clunky dunno it was actually a lot smaller than most of the headphone amps that you have to bring around a lot of them no but not the vid eyes and put its own and they come with a rubber band that you have to attach the back of it so if you're looking for a portable note i would i would leave the room now and get the 1i have them on my desk of the deal it's a kickstarter but it basically I think it's called I amp but it's the amp is built into the remote control yes as long as a smaller I just think when you start having you know that's actually designed to plug into your laptop right right it's sort of a hack that me and tied put together for the iphones so there was there will be other deck and some companies are already have lightning cables for their headphones but i think that we will see all kinds of accessories so bluetooth or not when you get when what what do you think people should look at when they're looking at headphones to buy what do you think are important aspects of it should be looking at may sound quality versus portability what do you like to look for when you're looking for something for a new headphone to buy for yourselves i always look for sound quality first i think with bluetooth you're always going to get a little bit although bluetooth sounds a lot better than it did a couple years ago it's still not going to sound as great as a wired headset so I'm still sort of in the Steve Guttenberg world of audio files with that I always prefer why set over Bluetooth but you know these the bluetooth wireless earbuds are always a good solution to your just going to pay for the convenience of it I I mean I think people look I personally I do listen to wired headphones but if I'm on the go I prefer a wireless headphone and then at that point I'm looking first at the style whether it's in ear on here over here there's obviously a whole bunch of headphones out there there now bluetooth with noise cancelling the bose so nice and Heiser parent there's that's a big category for sort of the people who want the noise canceling business travelers in the streets of New York I tend to like to have a smaller profile unless it's winter then I'll go for the the earmuffs drives me nuts but those bluetooth headphones that sometimes when i try them out i'll lose a little bit of quality in terms of like hiccuping do you find that on the higher end the bluetooth headphones sort of do they have a better connection or they stood up that problem remain no matter what it's getting better you know with each with each version of bluetooth they're addressing a few different things one is the quality of the connection so when you go from bluetooth 3.0 then we're around four point four point one four point two there's also there's that reliable reliability of the connection battery life and then bandwidth which sound quality so with each iteration that gets a little bit better so it is definitely gotten better with the latest ones Bluetooth five-point Oh we'll probably see the release it at the end of this year and we'll see it in devices in 2017 so that will get it even better and evie I'd shout out light the Lightning of the ones that connect directly to lightning do they have any better quality than three-and-a-half millimeter headphone jack I I think you'll see with lightning you really have to have a really good pair of headphones I just don't think it's going to make a huge difference with you know an average headphones and it it sometimes it there's a question of whether it sounds better or just different but I think if you're trying to drive you know a higher end headphone it has some sort of deck in the actual cable there's a company called Odyssey that makes it something called the sign headphone and that comes with its own cypher lightning cable and you know I think you know I had a discussion with ty about what he thought sounded better than the analog connection or the digital and I think it a lot of times it can be you know some people prefer one of the over the other the cool thing about the Lightning port 2 is that it can obviously transport data and power at the same time so we're already starting to see earbuds that have a built-in noise cancellation and then you're going to start to see more of those smaller noise-cancelling headset sigh don't have to have a big bulky battery pack in them and those will start to shrink too so I think it's going to be a really exciting year for headphones so we got some interaction in our chat so if you are on our YouTube keep chatting away I am watching by the way as well as a tweeting us at open hashtag open tab on Twitter Andrew rights and he doesn't he doesn't feel like losing a headphone jack as a deal breaker he's been using wireless headphones and Bluetooth in his car for years Jim in our YouTube chat right now well something a little similar he's been using wireless music since the first mini ipod 2004 which i'm not even shortly I guess he had an adapter and then went over to bluetooth in 2006 so people that say they are going to miss heaven jack is it's ancient wenzel rights to us saying he thinks this paves the way for high-def music on iPhones the headphone jack restricted iphones ipods to 16-bit 44 kilobits is that sound about right do you think we work well we'll get so yeah a little bit earlier but yeah you just gonna come from that it you will but at the same time again you're gonna need really high-end headphones to hear the difference in my opinion so Oh most people are not necessarily buying those headphones and if you're an audiophile I don't know if you're necessarily want to use your iPhone as you're so yeah you know it they can market it as it you know these are high res headphones or these are you know but again that the actual quality the quality sound is also just dependent on just how good the headphone is all right gentlemen thank you so much for joining us today to talk about this is not going to end anytime soon because I phone just dropped today so there's probably like a whole wave of new headsets that are going to be taking advantage of this over time and there's certainly certainly air pods we have the beat stuff coming out pretty soon too so there's obviously going to be some interesting when when those new models come out in the next few weeks we'll see how people attached to those mm all right David were so weird saying goodbye to you Justin you're hanging out for the longer David where can people follow you on twitter david carr annoy at david carr boy awesome and follow these guys for more and more audio news over the next several months so we're going to go to break and I think we're flipping over to a review of the air pots and so we will see you very shortly Apple's air pods are independently charging wireless buds that come at their own little dental floss light case now there are a lot of earphones that do this and are independently connected that attach to your head a couple of companies make them apples can be used for music or phone calls and the microphones actually sound really good with built-in noise cancelling mics in each and the air pods coolest trick is that it auto connects with iPhones iPads Apple watch and Max you need to have apple's latest software iOS 10 or mac OS sierra to use it pair once use it across all your things and it switches as devices are switched so the idea is keep them in walk to your next device keep going keep those air pods in your ears they even start and stop automatically now i would have liked a little bit of remote built into them right now you can only double tap to get Siri wireless earbuds again they're not new and apples while sounding good look completely ridiculous if you can get over that you might like them but what's most interesting is the trip inside that new w one ship Apple's been talking about it does all the handshaking via bluetooth imagine that in a smart home gadget a speaker a lamp a car from watches to earphones to who knows what else Apple's deep in wireless accessories now you're not necessarily going to want to buy air pods but you'll want devices that seamlessly work just like this Julie the race on welcome back to open tab and now on the couch and cracking open the beer immediately I fake dr. Joseph Kaminski cheers are what's yours who it's been a long day long a week and a half some of our colleagues recovering between Apple last week PlayStation which the whole other ball of wax up show Jeff will get back on when he gets back from to talk about video games where'd you dig about the PlayStation Brooke it was sleeping I know it the those two devices the Pro and the slimmer exactly what I expected them to be but I could never seen a sleepier press conference from Sony but you know it was sleepy but the one thing I will respect unlike Apple did indoors oh man I wish some of these remaining the word magical Oh God was vocal amazed magical is not real okay that's for D&D into anyone I appreciate what I appreciated from Sony it was to the point here's a device here the specs here's a release date I like that in and out um when I get one I doubt it unless it has some sort of enhancements with the vr vs the current system our colleagues in San Francisco they made a video as on the scene at YouTube channel if you're watching us on that right now and it's essentially sort of an ad lib game where they showed every year I'm saying then the blank iphone is the most blank ever advanced magical every supra you think I'll say that for the intel processor nvidia graphic cards it's always there best one i mean that's that's kool progression just you know do you have an adjective that you heard a press release the press conference in nature's go are you kidding me uh it's not an adjective but courage made me kind of buffer yeah that's why we wrote that schedule encourage more thing for samsung job to said that before but i felt like he kind of pulled it off I don't know about Chile I feel like he did courage yes courage okay today's cover nine dollars yeah I don't know about that courage thing either it's just but you bought the iphone so you well I like I i well thing it sorry I don't even know was drinking the kool-aid it's I think a lot of people what they forget is once you've had a certain device for over X amount of years hmm I probably have more money in apps and music then the device is actually worth you get locked to it that way and I said this before and I'll say it again yeah if you want somebody to move over I think a great way would be maybe if you gave them an incentive like hey just switching from an iphone to android or vice versa here's a hundred dollars to get you started on your app library or if app developers actually gave you a discount if you own their app on a different platform that would make it easy to transition and also just a convenience and yes I just just like I you know I go back and forth for graziano because he likes to do all the customization stuff I just need to pick up my phone and use it I guess as you get older you have less time do these little things you know when you get older like is icy to pick it up and I need to figure out where i put this button or that blender yeah what color will crazy live wallpaper killing my battery etc so it's it's it's a preference thing it's a comfort thing it's also your meats what meets your needs I had a comment on one of our Facebook post saying oh the photo you took had no headphone jack here's the iphone 7 it's on sale starting today and no headphone jack I mean it's black you probably can't see it to be honest but speaker speaker lightning I means but it's motorola did it wasn't such a big deal i guess you know it's it's it's a bigger deal because apple is the direct competitor and you know depending on your perspective apples the bad guy or samsung the bad guy and those are the two that's your luke and your Darth Vader everybody else is like an Ewok my question really is what are we going to see in the future for Apple devices do you think that they're gonna get rid of the headphone jack on iPads is the next book will say no bad not have a headphone jack because that's really gonna piss people off Lee well because if you know there's a lot of video editors out there that are doing sound on their machines you give it to the headphone jack well i think i think my disappointment with the removal of the headphone jack was I thought that would allow them to make it thinner though that's not really necessary yeah but I mean if you're going to remove it do something like that I personally haven't noticed that big of a battery jump that warrant the removal of it i mean great the stereo speakers but you know what HTC did it with the you know what their phone with the stereo speakers in the front and you still had your headphone jack there's a way work around it I think though actually with this non physical button now they're just they do tend to treat people like their little ignorant their prayer I think they're personally prepping them with this this this this this um like the macbook button so eventually you remove the home button or the home at home circle and you start using 3d touches the home button I think just teaching everybody how to use the pressure-sensitive mechanism with the haptic feedback I think that's probably where they're having people do Apple does tend to treat people less intelligent but it also makes a lot of people feel intelligent when they can open up their phones they look what I can do if people actually feel like they're magical it's a damn phone I'm we'll see I guess and they get in a year if it does indeed go that route yeah so Joey we got to get down to business fun business okay I'll do it but we got another edition of wait for it Joanne today Joey tell us what you have well I'm just I'm just trying to lift this up into my lap while they look at the demo this is from the darts factory this is the goose to dart board I mean shoot me the goose square at dart board it is a digital dartboard with LED lights it has multiple gameplay modes where you can actually play locally with multiple players you know typical cricket or count up but a nice feature with this is you can also play someone else somewhere else in a game of darts so Brian actually came up with an excellent idea say hey we should get one of these here in New York we already have one in New York but get one in San Francisco and maybe you know a little Joe versus tongue action going on this don't actually have they're not just sharp know so they're not yet then yeah yeah so they're not short starts there they're plastic tip darts and I would recommend buying an extra pack because we had some pretty aggressive dart players in the office yesterday everything breaks but the tips obviously didn't screw and they screw out there waited if you want to hold it um it comes with this face plate but they're five different face plates it's magnetic so you can evoke magnetically comes off there's a blue purple pink and I think maybe are red and I had mother in the Indian well the cut the plate the faceplates give you it's actually nice this way the face plates can be purchased for like 25 bucks this particular model dart board I saw an Amazon for 245 what's special about this is for all you iphone or android or iOS users it works at both KitKat and up the app this is that there's a sidekick app that actually keeps the score um so it works with KitKat nut bluetooth 4.0 and iOS 7 and up and it either works on four double A batteries but I think what really what really impressed me and of course is an imported dart board from the dartboard factory is in the box that came with it they give you not only a measuring tape where you can measure to hang it they give you a sticker pad we you can stand back and with the plug they give you a plug for America you know and pretty much all around the world and you can run it via the outlet or or from the battery so we just want to leave it plugged in all the time you know if the pie batteries take it off the wall another thing is the instruction chart which is really cool that comes with it has markings so you can measure up and you can literally and it comes with the screws to hang it so you put the screws in here and you just rip it off the wall and put so you measure when you put the paper you put the screws through the paper I'm sorry showing you guys were so gentle you measure where you put it and then you can just rip the paper off the wall and just hang the dartboard right there and you're you're good to go in terms of the app and the dart board yeah if I just yesterday I can flick it on I just turned it on you can also control the LED lights when you turn it on and then you can use sorry this is cnet's iPad not mine so before anybody goes crazy in the chat right let's have a salon so it's like this is the app and the at make sound effects with the dart sitting as well right so it has begins of this vanish you flip it up sorry it's loading so it's loading and you know you got your guests name you can slide I think I created seen it they put C hardy music in there yeah the idea here is that two people have the dart boards you can play the same time so yeah so if you have one at home and I have one at home we could play each other or we could play locally so you just go to settings and you go like the option dart board connected dart board it'll connect to the dart board ya see connected you can go back and you go new game cricket get your choice a game you can pick like cricket next then it creates a game I want to add a player very simple somebody has an account i could put their account in there i could just go guest and i can add another one guest and then I can start game and connects the dartboard or create the game then here it highlights the person's turn and you can bring up the menu here the person skip or thrusted are you can go back next to the next person options and it keeps everybody score here and what you need to hit also what the dart board does is under if you can see it in the studio likes but it lights up where you need to hit you see it if I twist it it lights up where you need to shoot I think so you know you're aiming for so it's it's it's really cool it's really cool arms guys have fun with it yes a we broke it off at third Thursday yeah mr. McGee and our chat has written do you get dart DLC that's bad I don't know if their beauty dart DLC but um it's it's it's it's a really cool product um how much is that this particular one is I saw like it for 245 on amazon um there's the sigma which is the step below this it doesn't it doesn't come with the overlays it's just a completely circular dart board yeah it doesn't have all the LEDs you know it's it's like the LX it's lacking extras this is this is the crème de la crème but it's a really nice unit it's yeah I mean I haven't bought a dart board before but sure 54 door he'll die boy weren't you just showing eyes like a hundred feet but weren't you just showing me like pieces of wire for music for like two hundred dollars really different though but is it really your headphone to just you how many people can you play darts with I mean question what they were spent yeah it depends on how much you value having a scoreboard on your tablet essentially right if you can't hey add yourself which I'm terrible bath I mean I could use something like that yeah I just don't know if I value it at 250 personally it does look pretty cool though it is cool and I mean hey if you can make a cheaper one go get it go get your Kickstarter going no but I personally think it's cool I haven't personally seen many other than this so I couldn't tell you if it's too high or not yeah but i mean it's it's cheaper than a lot of things you find it is the new Playstations four hundred dollars you know you got your own you got game boy you know the 3ds is like 179 so the mean when you talk about like Roger you're always hitting around the 200 all tomorrow that seems to be the sweet spot paid for businesses mr. McBee then wrote back after reset talked to his question that if he owned a pub that this would be his go-to no doubt it well I won another nice thing is that if you know like let's say like you know I'm a family man you know I'm not saying you can't take someone's eye out but at least a plastic dart you're not piercing the skin that's true yeah you can actually you can actually play with the young ones and not worry about anything really dangerous happening other than but let everybody play with like glasses and everybody's like you know they're impervious um so how's your dart game game it's better when I drink more or maybe I think it's been I think I think it is better at pool and darts I think seem to be a little better for me when I drink but have to be right at that that that magic spot yeah like not not like going up the hill but not too many trade yeah what is I'll tend to focus better yeah i'ma go can we get this physical I just checking through our comments of the chat one more time to see if is anything else we scooped through there was a fight over samsung while we were chatting so the note 7 let's just talk about that really briefly i believe is about a hundred thousand people in america have done the recall return maybe 800,000 ish to go Lynn saying I mean you have you had a phone that overheated so much they just couldn't use it any I've had phones overheat where they shut off I had that happened a long time ago it wasn't anything to reflect on the brand itself because i had i had an HTC evo 3d when they came out and the the aluminum rimming on the metal rimming started peeling yeah and at that time I had like the insurance for it so like a dummy I should just glued it and kept it I took at the sprint they swapped it out for me and they gave me a refurb and that thing was just getting so hot it was shutting off I was like damn i shoulda stayed where I was that was as bad as I've ever seen it what happens with iPhones to I mean if you use your phone or put in your in your pocket on a really hot summer day sometimes we'll take it out and won't even turn on because yeah give me that message was I think that also I was like when an app gets when a nap hangs yes it gets really hot but it's never gotten so bad on iphone for me now yeah it had to send it back I i yes i have to say that people probably get upset but that's probably the reason why nobody can find an iphone 7 plus because everybody returned their note 7 is it is like dude this is exploding i need a phone i can't get on a plane I'd your phone i'm gonna play with yeah i just want to say hi to bail stearns who called me on having butterfingers when i dropped the case earlier to the show thank you guys gotta stop bigger no Michael Michael Michael does an amazing job good job Michael late today in the zone Michael writes the script Michael does the research Michael and Bryan make this show go thank you for sucking up to us while you're the guy was always stick I was sticking up for you see I don't know not now I may join them now you ought to take a couple of it right now enjoy the great you know you're Brian saying anything in the black yeah that's a brain in the booth and it shut off the Richard joining us anything about today all right we're gonna close out thank you guys again Justin where can people follow you and Twitter i'm on twitter at malice Brutus now this yeah i'm one of the only senior editors that kind of got creative with their twitter name back in the day I don't have just in that scene itself phonetically mal USB or like Latin style vrut UN oh man like that my dude and Joey yarder toaster damas with a zero and i'm at a mike j Sorrentino oh yeah yeah my grave up man all right have a safe and fun weekend please keep the conversation going in the comments on this YouTube on our post treatise we thought today's show use hashtag open tab and if you have a geeky cocktail idea we haven't done one in a couple weeks but we're going to bring it back email it to us at open tab at cnet com thank you very much have a great weekend everybody