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skinnamarinky dinky dink skinnamarinky do it's time for another episode of 359 for you episode 153 with Roger Cheng and then Fox Rubin good morning everybody morning my body is ready thanks Reggie what's on the show today guys what's on the show when we talk about apple app well what's new right big surprise number down we have all that Apple for like three days time to talk like three minutes of eight minutes really yeah we've been talking about snapchat and all right so wit yeah we're gonna be talking about Apple or you know as the years winding down we're gonna talk a little bit about what we expect for next year right and next up we'll we'll talk about a story that Alfred wrote is too busy to be doing podcast today but will write it discussing iris scanning technology whether that's the future of biometrics yes own to help with passwords and then lastly google or alphabet is reportedly killing plans for the self traffic cards own standalone self-driving right so Ben's gonna that's gonna do just that I'll try I'll try without fumbling as always if you have any questions leave them in the comments section our producer Brian will pick out the best and we will try and answer try is the keyword yes alright let's get this recording underway and here we go in three two welcome to 339 when we talk about the top tech news of the day another the crap we want to throw in I'm Roger chance I'm Ben Fox ribbon as we start to wind down the year let's start looking at some of the big companies going I'm sorry I keep going alright going as we start as we start to wind down the year let's start looking at some of the big companies are doing next year first up his Apple this was sort of a whole hub year for the company but things can be changing 2017 we're looking at radically redesigned iphone new designs for ipad apple watch even maybe the mac so I don't are you excited yeah yes I I think maybe I mean like look next up next September's a pretty far far way away yeah they just came out with the iphone 7 it appears as though the iphone 7 is selling well despite the fact that they got rid of the headphone jack and we'll see how many of these new technologies will actually be in the next phone it might just be a wish list at this point that's that's at least 18 a wireless charging edge to edge screen right I think the edge to edge screen in the noho makes waffles yes I would love the waffle maker technology yeah that would be really nice it's called waffle bar I waffle apple waffle touch well it's also much is actually got a catchy so we also looked at the possibility that the Apple watch is going to get a redesign which i think is interesting just anecdotally I've been seeing more Apple watches out in the world yeah so I think it's it's a thing now it's everything that it got panned for what a complete bust but it's also not its people aren't lining up to buy another watch I think it's if it were obviously a smaller company it would be a huge success but for Apple it doesn't really make a significant dent to the revenue or the bottom line quite red but I think with with a redesign will see what ends up happening and maybe they'll keep selling them seems like they will so what the radically redesigned phone though a lot of people are expecting that this huge pent-up demand for a new radically new iphone is really gonna drive apple dev it's its best year ever super cycle this was the scare you go next up our own effort Inc took a look at iris scanning technology and believes that it'll be as commonplace in phones by 2018 as fingerprint readers are our phones now so you ready to stare down your phone to unlock it I think that with with touch ID people are now used to the concept of biometric scan and they do with their you know thumb print all the time their fingerprints so this to me doesn't seem like it's scary tech I might be wrong about that but I it appears as though people will be reasonably comfortable with this I did I don't think it's scary check I think you make a good point i think people are familiar and comfortable biometrics i think iris scanning sort of the next step up and people acknowledge that you know it's more secure than your fingerprint I just don't know if people are actually like hold their phone up their eyes up to their phones like unlock it every time not not quite as convenient just the concept of passwords to to make passwords more powerful or useful you have to add special characters you have to change them at a time so getting rid of these obviously also useful so last google is reportedly scrapping plans to build self-driving car with no steering wheel or pedals which sounds kind of scary it may instead partner with automakers this comes after apple reportedly scaled back its plans to do their Titan project on your own self driving car concept so yeah I mean it shows there are significant challenges not to mention all the regulatory hurdles that are still there for for self-driving cars right it is easier even for becoming like a little too partner rather than do it all himself it's a car it's much much harder to do a car than to build a phone or whatever and there really aren't a lot of contract manufacturers out there to build your car so I think that does make sense that they aren't going to go at it alone yeah it's cup of shame those kind of hoping though to ride one of those cars around for more about these stories check us out on cnet roger jet I'm Ben Fox Rubin thanks for listening and we are back and we have a wish list all right but what all right out of the iphone bring it on 17 how about unbreakable screens read agree that River mm-hmm my fire screen the sapphire screen oh that's that's a scratch proof scratch proof against it's not scratch you're right that could break better I mean nothing out there's truly unbreakable but there are plenty more durable options well there's the it's getting there was it the uh what's the motorola turbo droid turbo droid something i don't know the one that had like the shatterproof screen if you want a shatterproof sky where we had plastic that's exactly what it was it was it was basically layers of plastic and i think it didn't actually break under our test until we took a pic x to it right so actually it was pretty damn plastic is probably the most durable but it's more likely to scratch and it's also just kind of you know cheap it's cheaper it feels kind of like flimsy and your that's why they went with glass and i know a lot of people complain about corning gorilla glass which is used in most of these flagship phones but they do make them better every year but slightly better yeah right but they're still going to break under certain conditions especially after a year two or three so yea big city boy and the chats calling out has anyone done the upgrade yet the recent upgrade 10 was it 10 to no no I did I yes you did yeah I mean I didn't notice anything new about it enough to dress to bring my phone so that's that's good Nancy that's a big one hey hey don't take that for crazy no no you can't anymore actually yeah I wanted to try out wasn't it the new like TV app or something that's how these the search app yeah yeah yeah so I wanted to give that a go but I haven't tried it yet but I did upgrade it seems fine nothing changed with my phone so go for it do we think we're gonna skip over the 7s and go straight to an eight I think so and you think is gonna be a bluetooth oh I they'll say they should call it iphone x I think they come on which color when you're listening x is for 399 57 Roger that name I like that name I know that iphone X that's simcoe's listening to this show and I know who's timko Francona no one this is the show we are talking to you for talking to Brian oh do you think 2017 will be a big year for the watch it'll have to be a bigger year definitely it's it kind of make or break right hotel you know it's other things megaBrain it's incremental improvements and there they are selling them reasonably well they're gonna keep improving it slowly slowly but it's not gonna be a big product for look if they can look if they can figure out a couple things the design kind of hope they have a circular watch if they could get it to be standalone like LTE extend the battery life and make it thinner this is a huge whistler wishlist there's actually rather physically difficult to do and not of God that yet that possible but if it they all that out you know the software's really approved actually like I've talked to Scott about Apple watch software it's it's got better over time right but what's the cheapest one what is it 350 yeah the sport or whatever right and that's after you already bought you know whatever other apple products you got so it's still do you know yes the cost it is for now that look they're going after affluent consumers who have the disposal right now that's the market so far not quite as mass market and I thought you don't absolutely need a watch but who they're going after I mean there could be demand sure and a bigger overarching question do you think the era of cook can really bring back that innovation and reinvent themselves way jobs is kind of notorious for doing that's I feel like the cost of debate about cook I mean he is he's definitely a guy who can make the trains run on time right he's a good businessman but he's not a visionary per se and yes that's that's always throwing out there for four jobs it's about sterilization but i think it's it's mostly true well what we've seen over the past couple years from apple is where we're gonna take the same product and make it smaller and make it bigger right and I I do like the idea of creating something like like an iPhone pro or whatever with the oled screen that they're grab higher priced iPhone so apparently they're gonna be three different ones is going to be the iphone the iphone plus i don't like that idea yeah i'm not a big fan like it totally goes against what Steve Jobs pushing for one simple device like we've got a 12 22 like two with multiple sizes and colors and now we're gonna go three it started kind of confusing after a while yeah yeah I totally hear that how verb and it just gives an excuse to bump up the price of aphur I thought that the pros the concept of the pros made sense so maybe introducing that in some way to the iphones felt like the pros really there like because they couldn't get enough alleged screens mm-hmm but there's like well we just create like a whole nother cheer and then charged on how to charge like maybe tube under because we can't get enough screens for every phone yeah let's just make an exclusive thing and it make it even more expensive needless to say they've got to do something really big with this one i would say ya think absolutely exquisite say will disclosure as I hold my iphone 7 which I did not upgrade to an iphone 7 upgrade yeah so I'm sticking with the iphone 6 i'm probably going to buy a new battery to keep it lasting for another year and then we'll see what the iphone whatever 7s or eight looks like 9 maybe this was just the iphone 9 this close to buying Google pixel on Cyber Monday I couldn't take it if I keep the iphone a cuz 8 is a lucky number in Chinese culture that china is its biggest market so that could be that could be a thing that's interesting because Pamela's thinking they might change the entire naming convention to what just hasn't really said that I think they are going to change the naming of iphones they did get rid of too bad they don't do the io thing anymore so yeah they have stopped it's weird it's like really got away Apple phone which is it sounds it's so tied to like the early 2000s though like we do need to break away from that but that's what Apple because everyone ripped it off too it's true but iphone is such an iconic name that it would be pretty surprising if they dropped it entirely no they don't and I Jewish the switch value of that that name yeah I don't think Apple phones sounds good at all so I mean they could do what they did with the ipad for a while like they just called the iphone right like that's it no number nothing it's like this is the iphone yes there's a lot of hope for a new macbook air as well I don't think haha sorry I think I hey let's break it to you they they basically kept the the macbook air in circulation because they know people wanted they have no real intention of upgrading ever really the reason this year yeah they really want you to go just spend more money on the macbook pro macbook air is there so they can say they have a low cost option they don't really care whether you buy it they want you to buy pro it's pretty disappointing but yeah the macbook pro with no touch bar this year is basically operated macbook air which way more expensive it is way more expensive and for somebody that uses a macbook air all i really wanted to see was them to get the bezel down you know so it would be a bigger screen in the same body and maybe a couple more upgrades somewhere high resolution x way I feel like the macbook high resolution display absolutely yes blaze just willfully well flip there are a lot of things that just clearly they needed to do but they haven't done it and they're probably not going to do it yeah which is too bad Pamela clarifies that they're just going to do away the numbering system it'll just be little bit that's what I said yeah yeah the iphone you Pamela I known page and the natick 01 to close out on our buddy Michael Brown here's a good question if any other company google samsung etc took a two year break on being innovative would you still buy a pixel or a galaxy all right no right no god no and why not why would that put you off just because technology moves Apple Apple has people don't buying iphones said oh look here's a lot of loyalty here's why I thought is loyalty if your Samsung if your google whatever if you take a break there are like 15 other companies building Android phones that are coming out like next month and so if you take a break for a year or two just a year everyone else is gonna lappy with with an iphone you basically if you're I thought user you're just gonna upgrade to an iphone there's no other option for you you know really if you're going to live in that iOS if you live in that world you know there's no other option for you to go to Android I mean some people do but it's rather difficult Apple has been known for its the loyalty of its customers right so regardless if they take a break of design or whatever whatever new product comes out Apple people will go and buy it but if you're if the Android side if say Samsung takes a break well cuz they're LG Sony motorola Google there are just so many other options out there they're all like putting out their best game month after month there's always gonna be a better android phone out there so yeah we've seen that seen the negative side to that competition as well the note 7 samsung note 7 yep blew up because Samsung was trying to lap the competition lard as much technology into that phone as possible and it just didn't work yeah it just you know so if the iphone 8 comes out as a loyal dedicated longtime iphone religion 33 upper and it's the iphone 8 X know whatever it is comes out and it's just iphone 7s plus may become sorta you're in probably all right but not me not me here i'm also using a samsung phone and i have a pixel phone like I your job so yeah yeah yeah and i am i'm one of those idiots that want to have the greatest alright we have to wrap it up kind of early today but one last thought that I loved in the chat if they named the next iPhone something salty salty like a you know against the Galaxy Note 70 called the iphone fire I don't oh well there's the fire photo ready that's hurting us wow that would be knocking two companies at the same time I love it fire yeah that was just off the top my head don't figure to everybody okay they're gonna start the change.org petition right now I'm sure there can be better suggestions out there when we come back tomorrow we want to hear your suggestions on really next iPhone should be called I like that all right all right yeah if you liked anything you saw her hurt here tricks on cnet podcast is also available on itunes tune in stitcher SoundCloud feedburner and of course google play music see y'all tomorrow later