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hey what's up everybody welcome to cnet's open tab this is going to be our Facebook live show where we grab a few drinks which we've done already because I'm a little drunk I'm like I'm not that drunk yet but I'm here to tell you that we're going to be wrapping up the week's tech topics my name is Jeff Bakalar here in our very exclusive see nut on see you know Deb wonderful lounge is our social media guy mr. Michael Sorrentino how are you sayin I'm great how you didn't thank you for being here thank you thank you should really be thanking you for a range this is this is all you yeah thank you and as well as executive news editor Roger Cheng thank you for joining us lovely to be able t good awesome beer and afternoon back in the control room we've got Joey cominsky and he made me say this but he's going to be the bartender serving us questions from you who are watching at home or wherever you're at and again we're not just going to wrap up the week in tech we want to hear from you we want to we want to get questions from you it's not just going to be us talking it's going to be you talking so if you've got a question comment let us know even if it's not about tech maybe you have like a weird brother-in-law that you want just advice on we'll fix that for you so I'm gonna toss now to Mike he's gonna glide us into the story of the week what do you got hey guys so why does get a couple drinks together and talk about on voice assistants like Siri and Alexa more and more companies are just getting to know us not over drinks but over what we do right over IMS and email and we're just getting more and more information to serve us for that help us but ultimately wanna know what you guys think is it cool that Siri and Alexa and everyone else is getting to know us that closely or is it frightening that they are going to know everything about what you're doing no no when you wake up what you eat you know I think it's all other both I'm the paranoid start part of me thinks that this is a bit frightening these are digital systems that can near us basically anytime there's no real way to tell if they are listening they're not even if you shut them off and the other issue though and i found covering this stuff the last couple weeks is that fright or not we kind of to live with it because it's coming every one of these tech companies it's just they're all that AI right now it's the hot new thing and they're pulling tons of money into it so whether we like it or not Alexis Erie Cortana they're all here today but don't you think we like put way too much sci fi AI like of a war of a paranoia share for them like at the end of the day it's it's a robot it's not something that's like oh I've become self-aware and Ryan steal all your money yeah I think it's less the computer be malicious and it's more about all the data they're collecting rights all the information our preferences you know what we wake up only when we eat what we'd like to eat all that getting served out to some other third-party company that we're not aware of right right it's not it's not necessarily Google or Apple I don't trust it's it's a third party that they're dealing with later on right like that it doesn't get creepy like searching on Google wasn't creepy until you started getting relevant ads served to you yeah like when that happened you have ten years whenever that started when you be like oh I just search for a new backpack and now I'm getting served backpack now they're like do you need back to school supplies your kids going back to school or exactly so it's like once it crosses that creep barrier right who's winning now it's not just searches it's it's anything you do in your home right right and like this let me tap the scoop that we had that Apple's purported echo rival will have a camera mmm with facial recognition they'll actually be able to recognize you and see what you're doing and it literally has eyes I mean it's got your bedroom and you're like oh that's what it starts to get kinky don't sit and Roger see exactly I don't know how I feel about that but show like what what to you is the most again we talked about how like there's this sci-fi paranoia dystopian future of life right voice recognition why not but what do you think is like the most realistic negative I mean most realistic again is bad information getting leaked out to not leaked out but but given to other third party advertisers and you know i'm i'm the type that values my privacy you know people or people have different opinions on how much their privacy is worth but it seems like a lot of those rights are going to be given up once we start using these digital assistants will start embracing them right what's become our part of our regular lives okay I'm gonna propose this questions okay do they even work that well like does voice readiness yeah shucks or not because you know when all that stuff started with like calling up ups and talking to the UPS boys like that was terrible it's still terrible I don't want to do that right right just some of them do like like if you go into Google you could find everywhere you've ever been because they're following everywhere they nose or your phone is and if you were just wondering where you were last Tuesday you're just need to click it and they'll know we're around where you've been I mean to just point i think the the interactions with these assistants are great i mean that's that's kind of why I haven't really used elector neco right and it's why no one ever uses Xbox Kinect either right which is also kind of creeping it's in a way but I think it's getting better I think what the demonstrations that Google showed off that the whole contextual thing with being able to say like what's what movies playing right you know what was playing to tonight get me tickets like that's right now computer can't figure out that the context between those two questions right sooner or later and will once it becomes conversational on your you're speaking to the digital system like it's a person I think that's when we'll all start kind of jump on it sure privacy concerns or not what do you guys think about so we have a story today of about the S three year anniversary of Edward Snowden leaks and in it we have interview with Glenn Greenwald and one of the subjects in it was about how privacy is what is going to be good for businesses and companies yes do you think that that can become a selling point for companies to be like oh we keep your information safe here here and here here and then how much do we still trust it I think already is I mean look at apple right apples the Apple has sort of gone on record and said security and privacy is our priority and you know they've gotten they stood up against the government the whole battle with the FBI and I mean that's really it sort of the combination of all the stuff that's happened snoring I think it's the fact that these tech companies are now been emboldened to write defend our privacy against the government that's another hanging it's weird that like his entire revelation has resulted in like a consumer-facing like Oh transparency is going to be better now with companies that you trust your information with like I have to come out on the government side right but like just you know Google is going to be more transparent about what they have about you but think about it like sit in a post Snowden era yep people fundamentally search differently like at the edits very core you know like that that has changed the world right so I think it's really interesting when you when you have that mentality next to like oh now it's now it's everything you say and before we start before we went live mic you kind of you kind of freaked me out a little bit on what laughs you saw it in my face but I was pretty freaked out when you're talking about you know minding what you say all the time I'm gonna study all the game celebrities right where it's like there's a constant hot mic wherever you go to me up you know I used to think like oh they'll never get me in my house like I could close the door and say whatever I want about the president and there's something a little disturbing about the possibility I'm one month the mind boggles wondering what you're saying about the president dad so well well let's see who the good guys but like Alexa isn't always rubbing her trophy clearly of course I don't look like a drunk guy some of the iphones already in the office have Siri always on all the time and they are always listening for a buzz word and yeah allegedly they don't activate once they hear the buzz word right like you ever know yeah if the capability is working from I'm technically speaking they could be listening all the time right that's that's part of the fear factor it's why I'm creeped out mm-hmm a lot of people who may be a little little older a little less trusting of technology understandably so have that notion of like well no nothing is safe nothing nothing you do can ever be safe and there there was a point where I was like no you're wrong because it's always going to be safer but then again it's like well maybe maybe not maybe everything is inherently honourable right and that something that kind of freaks me out i mean like i have a young kid at home I think about what the future he's gonna live in and I don't know like it would really freak me out if like he turned 30 and all of a sudden like everyone's google search history ever got leaked out and he's like oh man what was my dad surgeon in 2016 oh my god like that is but that is his January where's me in his own it from between the ages of 13 and 21 well that although maybe the cultural the social mores change at that point they all just have no shame in all their like that whatever he sorts that like that next generation right now it's all about transparency it's all about sharing everything right so maybe there they just they don't get embarrassed are we gonna go into that cuz I could go into that I have theories man like all right well I'm just saying like when you talk about generations coming behind us like I'm 34 you're 30 I'm all of you I'm 37 okay you're a little young eight that's adorable thank you um so you know I feel like you know there's and this doesn't apply to you because like it or not you're part of our generation I think there's a maybe one or two behind us we are like there's not a real life and Internet divide know that has been flattened yep like that is the same exact thing and I don't know I just I bring the interacting with your phone is as real as interacting with a person right for a lot of them for sure yeah for sure so you know that makes me wonder where it's like there isn't this sort of reservation to be like oh my god that that's gonna get out that's right a private thing that I said it's like the default is I have to share now right like there's no there's no barrier it's just everything has been flattened that kind of freaks me out a little bit I don't know I don't know if it's good or bad i'm gonna say it's good cuz i don't want sound like an old guy so it's great we're ahead yeah yeah again his awesome it was good remember though how to keep like records that are not on the internet like it's good to some some kid some kids are like only on the phone all the time period everything through the phone yeah and like there is valued having intrinsic things that like having a photo that is offline or or like personal information that is not rice touted a cloud cloud it's a place there's like when things cloud locker it's quaint it's sort of like I'll go that you've got a physical photo that's that's sweet or even like personal like real business documents maybe you don't want them floating inside a G Drive maybe you don't want write a contract to something or a college application lease a copy of it like physically on your desk part of that way you know where it is yeah yeah I've know you were my diploma is I'll also need it actually yeah I don't know wait a minute my did you imagine that service you're not even question what am i doing how are you tired let's see that we don't have leaned on center you said it not me oh I'm just curious bartender Joey who's in the back doing god knows what do you have any questions first you have anything you want to share your just gonna sit there and not use the prompter we have one person's curious as to why Siri only understands English me Alexa only stand understands English cuz the Lexus racist haha that's that's him you said that like softball that was not see that's Oh Jeff Bakalar that's a softball Alexa hates any language no why why is it it is just because that's the one they went with that's a minute they launched the echo in the US and makes sense to go english first I mean obviously they want their their ambitions are go overseas I'm sure Alexa will be speaking multiple languages in a short time right yes Syria like began with a few languages that expanded behind it and then she got smarter and Syria was on a phone that was sold around the world i mean the echo is still as popular as it is in the u.s. I mean it still cover us centric predominantly stolen in the US right but it's not as then I don't know if the newer ones are sold overseas yet another it's something I think they're slowly expanding that that product but it's it's largely here so it makes sense to start with English so let's talk about Alexa being included in that new pebble core oh yeah they added there they're adding that into petals launching a 3g enabled little button that could essentially in a way replacement ipod shuffle adding Spotify playlists and the buttons are programmable to whatever button is a weird way I say I don't know if I'm saying it the way most people do wait say it again button wait button for a second it's like I hear it's weird but i don't it doesn't seem weird give me a right way to get the button button ya know it's weird it's almost as if you're somehow pronouncing both teas in that word yeah button I love it that's funny I've yeah I don't think any less of you I still like ya thank you yeah they've added they're adding as one of its features that's gonna collaborate with and so that'll be the first instance of Alexa becoming completely mobile outside of the echo tap kind of has that to rip but that'll be like on somebody's waist and that's it right it's just slightly larger I mean yeah this is like a little button mm-hmm nuttin but say it's right way Roger wait so now I thought so that thing's not independently connected to the internet I thought it can through it though it has become so just got a sim card in yeah yeah okay well that makes sense so all right so we're so what else do we have like what else do we want to figure out about all this because I'm I mean for me I use the only thing I use voice for these days is voice to text like that's look I said it that's what I do if I'm walking down the street I'm not trying to you know look down and get you know hit by a cab I just want to dictate my text and send it off I set timers a lot by a leopard last night that if I ask it to make me how to show how to make a drink it'll tell me so I tell it Siri how do I make a margarita and it says the primary ingredient is tequila right like oh that's great information yeah God is the old man of the group I actually I rarely ever use any of the digital systems like Siri maybe I asked for what's playing around sure but that's it I don't really Jodi you're my age yeah joe what do you think what do I think about what our usual assistance that we're talking about the TV is like whoa yeah but give it a trippy in the lab what are you actually doing paranoid car nor took the trippy I i use Siri for like Google searches it's funny because I'll be like Siri Google such and such I don't I don't really use it for voice to text cuz it it always messes up my words I guess I speak very fast really yeah that's a surprise i gotta do i think i prefer the the g board when i'm texting alexa i love it um the only problem is sometimes i asked to play certain songs and actually have to name the song then the artist I can't really say the artist and the song because then it says that playlist doesn't exist yeah who wants to do that about valid ID suppy i'm curious i mean it's habit usually say artist and song right right you can't just do one of the other well like you know like i like this old elastic by a whole sea bank when Jenny Burton like I say play one more shot if I say play C bank it goes you do not have that song and if I go play one more shot by C bank then it recognizes into place I'm curious with people watching at home think again don't forget we are asked we're answering questions you might have about a likewise any times that the sub question there the sub director is like yeah anything you want to discuss about you want anything they said what is Jeff Bakalar what's your problem with the president what no I love our crop residue with our curve but really big dog truck guy I'm just a huge I just had this problem right you know look just loves all trouble that's uh that is not the case so funny like I'm so willing to joke about everything but I draw the line there no yeah that's I have no problem with our current present I love that guy do you have anything like really off the wall not it the thing it makes sense that we're receiving I'm somebody said can you tell me why do you choose the name Siri Siri why do we choose Siri we didn't so for the record that has no Apple by the way yeah for the rim no input into whether or not no Apple names how is that a question though you said anything i'm getting for you oh yeah yeah why I picked the topic was because it has to come up in the news over the past week yeah that's true so that's why I'm people it it is inside of iphones iphones are a very popular phone we often do see that there's plenty of attention that our readers seem to wonder about with those devices and like i said just at the code conference there was plenty of talk of artificial intelligence every country talking about the impact that will have on our lives ebay say it's going to use AI to deliver us crap we didn't know we needed Oh even though we will need something mean like though like say we want you to buy it is that 1980s Optimus Prime that you've always wanted you don't need a I to figure out that I am totally lurking all over that but the computer will know that you wanted and deliver to you I feel like there's certain things artificial intelligence has a logical sort of relevancy to yeah and there's other things words like will know your shoehorning that technology into a place it doesn't necessarily belong I think that's where we over the law of these companies because AI such a buzzword right every company looking desperate to sound relevant they're like oh no we're on a I we've been investing air for 10 years right talking about right yeah I don't know a lot of like the last buzzword is like obviously this cloud computing thing right which is just like yeah you could say that most people don't understand what that means hey guys I got one more what about VIP vi v the voice is sent the I think there was the creator of your makers of Siri have split off when they splash Apple really greatly they made their making a different voice assistant that it's not stuck on any one particular platform this little third party okay but what's interesting about them is that it will tear your question and then do a whole bunch of different formulas to get to that answer and as well as referring to history so it's fascinating but it was really really early i believe it was shown off at a techcrunch disrupt if i remember correctly so it's like an independent platform yeah the mower anywhere where would it actually like where will you use on your phone on a computer I don't know thing on the phone is where they were showing it off I think you had to download is it a nap but right well it's sort of it's so early it's hard to know exactly what angle are going at which is funny because it's like any mobile platform that you would want to use that has its own proprietary assistant like it have to be way better for you to just write using it like I know hound have you got to try hound that was a really good idea hound is pretty amazing it's a great demo voice inside soundhound a fright yeah yeah I think they shortened it to hound now and now it does music and like everything else you could ever want and they do a lot of like really sexy demos well like subtract the population of india from how long it takes for light to travel to the Sun it's almost like the Wolfram Malcolm are like wow you know nice which was like okay yeah that's not something anyone would ever love ya wolframalpha was great as a concept right whenever you guys that like we yeah like no one's trying to like divide butter by New Jersey like knows Jenna like that I actually have a question for you guys all right yeah well were to release their own version of Alexa with a camera would you guys purchase it in why or wouldn't you and why so he said say that again Apple created their own Alexa like you know home unit yeah and it did have the camera but like the story that sharra yeah the story that we've roadmap I want to know your personal opinions of would you or wouldn't you if it worked with other things and it had a mute button maybe it to me the new button is really important when Google home was announced and has no buttons on it I was like all right cuz i do sign up for the google music service or sounds like that's convenient for me but then like no no buttons then how do i tell okay I cannot I can't not here neither what's crazy I would probably not like I haven't really embraced the echo and I probably wouldn't do you have an echo no it's thing I haven't really sure I kind of just want to buy one I just I whenever amazon comes out with something like a new product is like do you buy the tab buns or the push button the dad no I have any uh any dashed okay i know the dash phone although i'll think about getting was like diaper dash but do you think you'll get a job delivery for like if you wanted some hockey equipment in those last minute so guys I think it's about time we do a last call for questions okay yeah so do we have a way I mean I question I just do it out there i'll see if i get anything but it ok anjaneri the the amazon drone commercial they believed had Jeremy Clarkson in it as well they showed it off the drone concept by showing a girl this commercial is not new at all by the way it's a few months old now but a girl is going to her soccer practice and her shoes have been eaten by the dog okay so they order the shoes and then it gets delivered to their backyard right via drone and then she makes it on time to practice with brand new soccer shoes yeah that's never gonna happen you don't think that I'll ever having all right it's gonna happen but it's I can happen for a long long time right like how like let's just stop with the sci-fi crap for a second and just think like logistical e how is that yeah yeah hundreds of drones fly everywhere yeah right they're not gonna collide I mean that dull avoid each other yeah they'll be able to avoid like you won't ever see the sky again Kazuki the stros it's gonna be a drum track carry tidy amazon boxes cuz i mean if there are enough boxes like the shemitah boxes we order at home yeah there are gonna be like 40 50 thousand drones just around my apartment it's very weird how like any residential high-rise you walk into it's just like Christmas every day just like a bunch of brown boxes like Christmas alright guys I think we're gonna make this the last question ok here we go laughs the inflatable Space Station what do you think what we should do Oh inflatable do it what is that yeah I'm afraid that there I cuz there any contacts for that question or is that just it started out what it no it's just the inflatable Space Station what do you think like is that a space station with helium inside hey I knows Mel I mean I've imagined his oxygen or something filled up inside right none if there's if a helium won't we be seeing you you don't need anything in space well you need oxygen ya know for sure i'm seeing like for something why is it inflatable probably cuz it's more durable Vinnie beautiful toy like I can't it can't Ripert you talking about like like just like a nice like pushes like know your docking I don't know like it's elastic i guess and palaces there's no collision i'm now obsessed with this i think we're going to look that one up yeah and yes no comment we'll let you know we're good i know i love a big fan yeah big fan edyta flagpole on especially hey thank you 22 Roger to mike hanke to Joey and to Brian in the control room for helping us out we really appreciate it we hope you enjoyed our first on tab I enjoyed it yay as long as I'm getting free open to what I call taunton open to it yeah see that's open tab yeah the bar is now closed Oh petition 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