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welcome back my friends to the show that never ends its episode 151 of the 359 podcast with Ben Fox Rubin Alfred Inge and special guest Scott Stein wait oh hey blacks for cummins good I'm glad to be special guest yeah yeah yeah thanks for having us so we have Scott on today because what the main story that we're going to talk about today is Super Mario run and Scott is one of the rare few people in the world that has actually tested it out so far it doesn't come out publicly until next week till next Wednesday well our seem to be talking about a story that I wrote about Amazon dashing some rumors that it's actually planning on opening thousands of new stores so don't expect that to happen anytime soon as always send in your questions and comments Brian will get to them at the end of the podcast in between nursing this massive hangover right yeah we had the CBS I holiday party yesterday so some of us are still partying some of us some of us are a little slower megami party not me I have a million children so I can never a drink hundra gun I'm sure look beautiful all right all right without further ado let the magic begin all right we'll start the recording in three two the hand welcome to the 359 I'm Ben Fox Rubin I'm Alfred Aang and with us today is legendary reviewer Scott Stein hi I almost did you just myself that's but I never do that hey your hip great to be here yeah Nintendo's much-anticipated mobile games Super Mario run is coming out next thursday Scott you had a chance to play and review the game what did you think well i only got to play it for first of all the first two worlds of what are going to be six worlds and like for only a handful of minutes but you know I I love Mario games I feel like this is definitely if you played mobile games if you ever play like Rayman run there's a game that you would be something made it's like that but it's super mario and it totally looks like a mario game like a desert ver marvel like a mario it does but it's like it feels like a mario game were like one of those like you had a special level where Mario was just always running and you had to just use one button because sometimes Mario do get weird there are a few that there are courses that have always felt like that but it's like if all the levels were like that so you can't control him to move around and you could also be like other characters too but I didn't get a chance to be other characters yeah um it's it's fun my question is having played it for as much as I did is it worth the ten-dollar unlock which is a high price in mobile or a mobile game it's harmony Rio game it's not a high price yeah that's not that standard though we're like their games are gonna be this price you know just kind of easing people into it if anything so it's interesting i spoke with speaking of that I spoke to Nintendo's president Reggie fils-aime a and he suggested that each game they're releasing is going to have its own monetization decisions okay so may not necessarily said each one is gonna be different he even hinted that fire emblem he says I'm at the game design and the monetization are gonna be linked somehow I don't know if that means but um he was suggesting like in this one you wouldn't want to like keep stopping the game super mario stop and reaching your wallet and pay more money but i think it's just a way of explaining that for them you're probably right it's both I'm sure Nintendo's testing what the ten dollar threshold will be and I bet they're gonna keep testing in the next few games as they work their way around you know this becomes a smash success and sells tons of ten dollars that's it that's the question that I have for for the both of you Alfred I know you haven't tried the game out yet but you know this is a super mario game so there's there's a lot of expectation around it I want to throw to both of you guys what do you think like as far as is this is this a huge hit in the waiting or oh for sure it looks so simple that like everyone's just going to download it i mean it reminded me a lot of other mobile games like subway surfers mmm where is it's it's like a runner game i was worried that it be too similar to that because that game gets really boring but from the different platforms on like different modes that I've seen it looks really interesting I think people want to keep playing it for a bit the level design looks great is great like or some levels are more like puzzles that felt like more like those you know you'd go through different rooms and try to solve their way through so it's not always a race and there's another mode called so it's like you these 24 levels which are like your standard Mario game then you have this mode called I think it's called toad rally where you basically are challenging you can invite any friends or people from facebook or twitter in to like your leader personal leaderboard yes it sounds I also liked a kingdom builder where it reminds me a lot of Super Mario maker it is admitted yeah i like it just kind of more like animal crossing it's like a little landmarks yeah I'm curious about how deep that'll because I almost got seen out of that and toad rally is like 60 seconds you've got to do a lot of scores and fancy moves and you get coins and like toad followers and that like that's like your status and that enables you to buy stuff in the Mushroom Kingdom part so you can that unlock things with the coins which and like the followers lie to buy stuff with the coins it's so the chance to get like badges and metals but it also means you you'll always be playing these games to get scores according to Nintendo so there's like a competitive nature to every level if that's super addictive then it's worth it but if you go through all 24 levels and you're like I'm done then that's the question or is that enough for for ten dollars yeah I gotta retarget with a little bit of time we have I wrote a story yesterday that Amazon finally decided to throw cold water cold water all over rumors that it's planning to open two thousand stores not even close as what they said you guys kind of said about this at kind of a big rumor you just throw around two or a huge number 3000 you know how many trader joes there are I look this up yesterday no 500 why it'll be four times the number of Trader Joe's it's like there are no Killian trader joes that's what you would think but now I've no contact of numbers yeah exactly thousand two thousand we don't know it's a 10,000 2500 I think it would be kind of cool if it did exist at that number but um they're not I think they're still playing around with the concept so many animals go to store what's that I'm okay with it not being a physical store at all but yeah so anyway we're at a time if you want to read more about these stories check us out on cnet I'm Ben Fox Rubin I'm Alfred aying I'm Scott's died thanks for listening you okay I've ruined the intro and the egg next row extra after your own outro be its outro outro extra rows in a terrible horror movie from the 80s that's what that's what I'd rather than that also as my mic still weird extra weird there mike is always weird yeah that's cuz your voice is weird yeah that's a bee why I blame her microphone I'm a lot cooler in real life guys yeah I rlm just a jihadi already my body is ready hang on hang on hang on I got it I got it there you go yup just gonna leave this up for the rest of the podcast not really sure with Reggie's gonna be watching this and just watering oh they're never getting interviews in fact with that this our peoples ingress is this like yes Boise good where's this come from where did that come from I don't know you Reggie Alfred you're the meme expert um it was like back around like III when he'd make announcements for like you know much hyped games people would just say like my body's ready then they put it over him for some reason that's true there's be awesome it wasn't something I can almost set a 23 I don't even know it's like as your body said it he said it before he played a hungry box in a game of a super smash brothers at one point oh cool so it says it works oh my god i really like it i think you might even find that funny he's got a very good sense of humor yes he does alright let's picture to the question i'm a speaker I'm happens Matthew wants to know how long is the delay for the Android release Greg Martin coming out in 2017 isn't it yup which one the Android release yeah 2017 and also yeah it's only iOS next Thursday that's absolutely right yeah it's an exclusivity window like you see with with a lot of console games and then next year they did say that the next to Nintendo games are coming out by end of fiscal year which would be what March the reversed for Nintendo the end of the first end of this fiscal year which would be march 31st I think 2017 which would be animal crossing and Fire Emblem Animal Crossing is gonna kill Abel yes sir they are coming that was in the interview piece I wrote though he like you basically said that so um keep your eye out for those what's what's uh what's data consumption going to be like on these can you play offline for super mario run yeah yeah I think it's a the main game is all offline unless you do the challenge if you got a challenge against actually I don't know you might be able to play that offline too because all of that is asynchronous it's like ghosts runs basically you know you're not playing someone live you're playing there against their high score so if you have that score cached I may not be surprised to see that they could be playable too but a lot of it should be playable offline and before I move forward pitch out to the chat is it Mario or Mario it's Mario it's supposed to be Mario I've lived too long he says his own name as much to say Mario I'd like he's his disrespect how's that in the face of a time we call him Mario because he goes it's a me mario and you're pronouncing my name wrong what good I'm from I'm from Philadelphia we also pronounced why he's from Italy water water when he's not from Italy Orioles Super Mario or water for water Super Mario what along sorry I'm super mario water you come get a glass in REO ice water in my car all right all right all right I shots more question and then our numbers are dwindling words they are when does pokemon go come to Apple watch I don't know this is the question of the you must be Ben now by the end of the year watch that'll come out like in three days didn't even know that was gonna be a thing yeah they did say by the Nazca they now sit during when they announced he off from 70 right of course ok no one cared though because oh there was all this other cool stuff going on so yeah I said phone jacks it's like that in the end air pods are both still mi wonder hair pots coming out right when the Pokemon app comes out I'll be with nobody i know has air buds i have air buds we show them but yeah I pre-production earpods everyone who got at the venue was able to review them got the a set of these that they said or not or find a review but are not the technically the final version so here they are they're like they're coming like a unicorn now they're a thing yeah they're a thing I'll get them closer together right I actually like them I don't love them but I use them all time you better love them for 159 dollars I don't love room for 159 dollars but i love how small they are and i like that the battery life has not ever been a problem for me and I think nice all is what I'm surprised you haven't lost them yet I'm a little afraid every day of my life of losing them I feel like it's just gonna happen like a child yeah you know just like gone with the wind yeah and then I'll be gone they've never fallen out of my ears though never um now watch they'll out of my ear at some actually no it's not true they fellow mirrors went up when I put a bag strap over my shoulder and I went and I like popped see that's how you could look nice lung might easily I pulled a bag strap off in it like clip my ear it's usually what happens with my glasses I do that and then my glasses fly across the room I just can't wait till the the news headlines of you know Apple earpods get stolen on train like somebody just somebody in the driver by york subway just grab somebody's here it's not even that it's him like super villain that just has a giant magnet that just like possible okay we've gotten to this point man we're probably do that you bring the magnets up into the yank amend everyone's ears we're devastatingly off topic and I want to get back into the show and I just want to come I just like this comment amazon opening stores it's like wiping before you poop it doesn't make any sense I agree with that nothing about the Wi-Fi energy but I think they're taking a step backwards by like opening a physical store look I never want to walk anywhere or talk to anybody again just let me go I'm like look at rental is our future right here and a comment or after my own heart by the way thank you very much for the camera let me say first like sometimes you just want to wipe to feel refreshed so oh my god let's not go off topic already well I'm just gonna think about that analogy um but then going into the second bar ever invited back on this podcast why payment for your problems i'm thinking about it now the causality of it i think it probably i think amazon stores make more sense than wiping before you poop i know a little bit a little a little bit you don't make any money for wiping before you buy before you poop is crazy tan by getting 100 stores either yeah they could i would get like a candy bar and a bottle of water from an amazon store it's just it's it's such a weird step backwards it's like if Nintendo decided to start like selling cards again they could do that they could well it's just they do my parts they make those lame cards they make a meebo know it would be like if HP decided they wanted to start building typewriters yeah both of the things are gonna start happy why you like this prototype right its twenty it's almost 2017 gang what physical store shouldn't exist anymore alpha is pissed about this I want to leave my house but we're still physical alright everything should be in the cloud ok so it's visual always exists important to remember in the coming millennial comments yeah ninety percent of physical or sorry ninety percent of us retail is still in the physical space so Amazon and online are growing much much faster than physical retail however most of what we do and most of what we buy and we as in the United States of America is still very much in malls in neighborhood supermarkets different stuff like that so it's then that's going to continue to exist for the foreseeable future like food maybe amazon just have a pizza parlor yeah get a slice like this license amazon basic me I just need a slice and I put and some chicken but of course the slices brought your table I drone right so Scott Matthew wants you to stack up your experience playing a super mario run against the original super mario land on gameboy oh that's a really good one so super online a gameboy I liked a lot that was like super simple though it graphically um but I actually the level design the Super Mario run is more advanced I think there's more there's a lot more like you're used to like finding hidden things and they also have it in each love light and says in the podcast but there are three different challenges so if you're used to collecting like coins or you know stars or hidden things there's there are five pink coins at first you have to try to get and if you get through those and you have try to get I think it's the Red Coins and then it's the black coin so it's like three challenge runs within the level besides just finishing the level so I mean I'm sure like you would beat that and then you'd say okay I'm done but they're so there is like some depth whereas like back in the Super Mario Land days you didn't even have that yeah you have extra challenges just you were happy with what you got here's an interesting interesting thought is if they were able to apply the taptic engine to create new game experience how would that work out it would be good except there's so little you're doing then touch in that that but I mean like could you in Oh more pressure for higher jump or something like that so you can't hold longer to jump higher and then you can double tap to just spin jump to in the game but I think that you could I think it might be more I think taptic really interesting for it is interesting that for virtual buttons and at some point if you have a scheme like like Reggie once again had asked him about classic NES it has a good tangent but classic NES games on the iphone why not I mean no we can get the NES mini but he was like well it's about the control and input I keep thinking well there were tons of games that do that but if you have haptics in those buttons maybe it helps you find those buttons more easily like when you have two or three buttons so that's a good point yeah or at least know what you're doing when you're pressing the screen maybe the buttons just appear where you press that's a long answer for like yes but I don't know for a one-button game I think the problem also with haptics is is that they only exist on the iphone 6s and then later models after that so you are losing a little bit okay well wait a minute is it on the SE or not um not this no not the same way okay it's a vibrator you are you are losing some of your um like I'm ordering it yeah all of them just doing haptics all those games even way back could like buzz when something happens is like it buzzes the buzzer and your your phone then it went to like more advanced optics and then new iPhones like so subtle that it can just give you like a gentle little tap some games like um actually it's really cool like alters adventure if you if you play that like the assassin's creed altaf no no it's the one where you're skiing I love that game it's an endless skier I love that game that game and now when you're playing it there's like a really satisfying like if you're jumping on stuff there's like a little gentle thud when you get certain things like it's like a little little tap on your shoulder I think we're looking at my body is ready not the whole time that I thought I had my haptics are ready that's cool I don't feel try that yeah it's good it's not like um sometimes that's better than others but you could see where that's that's really not a bad idea it's like a nice bonus and phones going forward and one last to close it out do we know when the new pokemon features are going to roll out new Pokemon go then anybody then do no idea okay like the new pokemon themselves and also the the sprint stuff yeah yeah god we talked about that earlier this week I have so lost track of Pokemon goes down dates I don't even add it it is another comment um it's coming coming soon I don't know off the top of my head yeah I haven't seen a date either yeah but so we just write about it this week so it should be expected Priya there's the starbucks news earlier today to that they're partnering with them for pokki sob how do ya who can i say saying in a relation to Super Mario rungis more please I'm going to ask a question that nobody asked what about updates to Super Mario Ryan I'll answer that question but we don't really know they said that unlike welcome hon go I like to ask my own questions and it was good let's all just leave a lift Scott talked to himself the Pokemon go things is free to play so they're always having updates try to get you in they said that Super Mario run is going to be you know pay once and unlock everything you need thank you yeah so it's good although there are like there's like little tickety things you earned do challenges and it wasn't clear whether you would have to pay for more tickets or earned them or and you get a certain amount with the unlock and I was like what's that all about they also mentioned the fact that like if this is a huge hit and it takes off they could create something like a super mario run to right where is it built in hunstanton updates or whatever right so but they did say that there will be extra surprises to keep you coming back and playing mmm I was like what is that and they were like well they'll be it's an psychos you'll be surprised I was like what does that just mean like extra modes or maybe like extra characters or maybe like the extra characters yeah come on did you play like a gimmick a long holiday game I would maybe like the idea Dukey Super Mario I would like the idea that it would actually be a game that you play and it's over and then you get the next version you know that's how I that's how it is in consoles right and in mobile gaming it's just they put you on a hamster wheel and it's this constant repetition and that's how they you know keep getting more money out of you so I do like this idea of going back to the old school the old ways yeah thank you let's go back to the old ways let's go to one of the two thousand amazon stores yeah that are not gonna be out there that's right and pick it up always the old and the new alright that's a good place to stop ok alright the 359 podcast is available on iTunes students that your soundcloud feedburner google play music and of course course of course on sina com thanks for watching we'll see you on Monday bye