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good morning on Wednesday September 13th it's time for episode two eighty three of the 359 podcast I'm BBG and I push the buttons and in the house we got Alfred Inge and Ben Fox Reuben morning we're still standing I'm sure nobody can steal my face ID I'm very smart Alfred is my spirit animal right now yesterday was a long day good day been a long day so obviously we're gonna keep it going on Apple coverage because yesterday was such a big day today we want to focus especially on face ID and what it means for you so send it in as many of your questions as possible about face ID versus touch ID whether you're comfortable about using it all that other stuff and at some point alfred is gonna stop freaking me out with the cycleops look we also wanted to mention a new startup called bodega which is planning on killing off the corner store so we're gonna get to that shadows yeah and but you know to just kind of change it up from the rampant and constant apple coverage so that's that's about it for the start of the show let's get to the podcast and yeah send in your questions and we'll get back to you in four minutes giving a quick shout out to our San Francisco team mister maestro Tong Lexi Beecham and the whole crew doing such a kick-ass job yesterday and giving us such a good fruitful content to pick up from and continue on this morning as we keep driving the Apple stake deeper and deeper for Apple news alright hang out everybody we'll see you in the chat three minutes and 59 seconds from 3:00 - welcome to the 359 I'm Ben Fox Ruben I'm Alfred Inge so a big topic percolating out of Apple's new iPhones launches yesterday is the new biometric system called face ID it takes the place of the fingerprint sensor in the new iPhone X face ID uses dot projection got a dot projector infrared camera and something called a flood illuminator it's created it's a list okay to create 30,000 invisible infrared dots on your face to map it even in the dark even if you grow a beard and even if you get wrinkles so Alfred is this better or similar to what we already have out there from Samsung and some of the other folks it's like measures better than what samsung has been offering with its facial recognition so with Samsung's facial recognition and other facial recognition on Android devices a lot of it is just using your front-facing camera and then it like takes a look at your face and pinpoints like several points on it so like the distance between your eyes you know how long your nose is like the cheek to cheek that kind of thing with this one it uses infrared it also uses like 3d scanning so it's not like a 2d like represents a representation it's not just taking a photo of you it's also you know taking a look at like the curves on your face and then it's using infrared so it's not about the image it's more about like the the dots itself like the dot scanner that you were talking about right which makes it harder to actually confuse the system yes because especially with Samsung system ii they announced that they showed that you you could basically trick it with just a picture of something yeah and this one's uh very different because it uses the plotting and it uses it has a def sensor so it knows you know it kind of has a more overall scan as opposed to like just your face so the other thing that I wanted to get to was that there is a lot of concern about the idea of normalizing facial recognition technology but we do know a mention of people that this kind of thing isn't actually that new yeah I think it's gonna be normalizing you know active facial recognition where you constantly use it you know on your own volition and in consumer device yes but as far as like facial recognition technology I'm pretty sure that's already been normalized you know on a passive way where you know there's speed cameras out there now that have facial recognition on it the NYPD uses something similar something I have for years yeah you as you see it at airports there was a story that I think came out last month about Walmart that was developing a camera system that would actually be able to use facial recognition or like shoplifters and things like that it was actually to find out if customers were unhappy or displeased whether they're in the yeah they had one previously or shoplifters like facial recognition technology on that yeah so it's always been there in the background but now it's like it's now in your hand now and people actively participating in it Edward Snowden tweeted out that he said that look this is a technology that is sure to get abused at some point do you think that people are going to be comfortable using this or is this gonna continue to build as far as people feeling uncomfortable about it I think they're gonna be comfortable using it on Apple's products because Apple kind of has a lot of these you know guarantees with theirs you know they have secure Enclave on it so the data stored on there in the same way that fingerprint sensors you know despite people using it on their phones all that's on their iPhones all the time it's not like you know on their laptops that offer fingerprint readers which a lot do you know they're not using that to unlock their devices so I think it'll lead to to you know a lot of mass adoption for like facial recognition but I don't know how much on other devices we also wanted to get to one other story from Fast Company that came out it's about two former Googlers who want to kill off the corner store with a concept called bodega which is pretty much a pantry filled with non-perishable items according to the story quote an apple allow you to unlock of the box and cameras power a computer version sorry and cameras powered with computer vision will register what you've picked up automatically charging your credit card this is a brilliant idea is I hate this so much they are absolutely the worst first of all you're never gonna kill a bodega okay like with the name bodega and it's just it's absurd it's basically a vending machine this is right and also CBS has developed a vending machine which I actually like this idea where you can get like beauty products toiletries over-the-counter medicine so there is in areas for development with this but maybe bodega isn't exactly the best way to go now anyway if you want to read more about these stories check us out on CNET I'm Ben Fox Ruben I'm alfred hang thanks for listening I don't think they're gonna be able to kill the bodega everything is in concept maybe it could work in more rural areas or it could get actually kind of supplement in where there aren't as common corner stores but think about that it's not what I wish I was not gonna happen here you are gonna happen a major man more time to talk smack about this on the show cuz like there were maybe only like 30 seconds left on the clock when yeah when you brought it up and I was like there's so many things wrong with this concept the whole the idea of putting in a rural area doesn't even make sense because it's only non-perishable so it basically does nothing to contribute to ending food deserts they were areas that they want to focus on our apartment buildings and dorms and they think that they can you know all you have to go down is to the like the first floor or the lobby to like actually yeah think about the things that the stuff that you need is all like non-perishable stuff so things like I don't know like a bag of chips or pretzels or a Gatorade a soda you know what else has that already vending machine so we don't need this like crap box and it's not pretty big - and the thing is like to say that it's gonna replace a bodega with vending machine goods are you kidding me yeah I mean I I think that the way that they're marketing it to say that we want to kill off the corner store or we want to do better is also not a great way to actually came out if they came out saying like oh we're gonna build like a smart vending machine sure go ahead that's your little venture I don't care much for vending machines but to go after something that's like a you know at a heart of a community and a beloved institution of every city out there it's like nah dude you're not Shalford a I hate them get on that soapbox anyway protect bodegas at all costs let's get hashtag we love bodegas let's get to the questions let's see if we got some face ID stuff also or if people want to trash bodega by all means all right jumping in first our buddy Michael Brown shout out hey Michael Brown so quickly answer the question of the headline of this video yes I would definitely use the face ID and I'm going to predict that it will be loved once all of the reviews are out Michael has very much been a very vocal apple supporter he's got a lot of great fantastic input and critiques of the Apple products definitely curious to see who else in the chat is really anticipating good things out of face ID like we said touch ID kind of set a new standard maybe face ID could be the same thing it's too early to tell here's the thing about face ID though is that it's really only going to be on Apple on the iPhone 10 and you know I don't think everybody who buys the new iPhone is gonna get the iPhone 10 no because it's not even it's super expensive so I really feel like it'll just be like on a high like you know very on a very high level of like iPhone users of people buying it and sure they'll use it but like I don't think it's gonna be like a widespread adoption thing yet and the other the other thing that I kind of had was interested about is how much of your face or what angle doesn't need to be at to unlock you know because with touch ID you know I'm able to just put my finger on the on the home button and then like I can look at it like underneath the desk while pretending to pay attention at meetings yes but like with like face facial recognition you know I I feel like I'd have to make like a much more obvious like they in their demos it's unlocked in their demos they make it look fairly natural the other thing that going going back to what Michael was talking about there's the fact that there's gonna be no home button that's that's a primary reason why they created face idea in the first place it means that anybody that does get the iPhone 10 is going to have to figure out exactly it's it's gonna be a new learning process how to actually use that because anybody that does have an iPhone presses that home button pretty regularly to swap between abs to just basically yeah I mean a lot of people talk about that like learning curve without the home button i I really don't think it'll be that hard it's really it's getting a new device it's yeah it's you know if I if I switch to enjoy probably take a couple days I just realized to that I think during the podcast I said iPhone acts didn't I what again you might as well whatever all right back into the chat Jay Goodwin I just wanted to bring up this quote today I present to you an overpriced iPhone that will break steal both of your kidneys you're right led and huge portion of your soul only for a measly sacrifice if your future more kids just that was pretty good writing wow that's pretty that's pretty solid here's a real question no Danny Green shout out Danny Green they did not mention being able to use more than one face say if I want my spouse to have quick access to the device with face ID they did not mention that so with touch ID obviously you can use a variety of fingers yes it's possible face ID would allow for such a thing just got a carrier we have to find out first you know once we got our hands on I get the test it a bit more but I don't know if you're able to register more than one face so when we get a phone in I'll register to me and I'll list you as my spouse yeah okay so we'll be married to this iPhone the other way to consider it is that your spouse would just use the pin which obviously right people would if they're shelling out a thousand dollars they want to use the war or don't give your spouse your phone passwords you're not married disclosure Alfred's not married just to think though I mean yeah your phone and you deserve your privacy it's whatever my wife knows my pin but she isn't logged in with like a touch ID fingerprint so that's that's what we do right now by I think that it might be a bit of a letdown for people if they do spend that much money and realize they can only use one face for that particular you don't have to use face ID with it just because it doesn't have the right touch ID anymore it doesn't mean they didn't have to use touch ID yeah exactly so you know I don't think I'm gonna be using face ID but I also don't think I'm spending a thousand dollars on an iPhone I'm just gonna make paper masks of everybody in the office so I can steal all your phones nice just to think though a facial recognition as we said it's not new but this face ID is and we're already thinking like what could they do next with it I would like to see in a future iPhone that they would bring back touch ID I just think people are so used to it after so many years of having it why you don't integrate it into the back of the phone to the Google pixel or the Samsung Galaxy phones I don't know I I was hoping they would do that but well there's the idea that you know if they're putting it on their phones you know it it's probably gonna end up on a future I've had at some point and somebody suggested that you know oh maybe you know they can do that for mac books also we're like you just lift the lid up its I think it's a lot more practical to put it on our laptop then it would be on a phone but and then they start rolling out the clones once they have all of our likenesses yeah it's and I think that it is good to like talk about this it's interesting to see in the tech world how quickly everybody had a knee-jerk reaction to the concept of facial recognition software in a consumer device and how this could be abused how your information could be stolen I think that's healthy to a certain extent but it is good to avoid being too paranoid in realizing that there's a ton of facial recognition software that exists when you go to the airport when you go to the mall when you drive down the highway so let's not ignore the fact that this isn't brand new by any stretch it's also good to know that you can turn yourself into a poop emoji when necessary right Watson says guys can you give a minute of silence for UK customers it's okay for you in America doing the podcast to say it's an expensive phone at $1,000 but it works out to one thousand three hundred twenty seven dollars conversion rate for UK yikes yeah sorry and hey Watson they want snack yeah it is an expensive phone there's no two ways about it but at the same time yikes on bikes Apple has created you know their their premium tier company and they are pushing up the price of what people can expect for a phone but they did that with the first how long do you think it'll be before they announce a price drop for it very very long time from now really because it's gonna be super limited for such a long time that they could basically price whatever the hell they want probably gonna be a half market yeah that too a year and a half the secondary market on eBay I feel pretty confident we'll probably push up the price even more so you know if you do if you are one of the lucky ones that gets early line on one of these things if you want to flip it on eBay and sell it for a couple hundred bucks more I I feel like that's probably pretty likely black-market iPhone Jessie gateman says what is bodega for international viewers of the guy because it's a commonality slang it's a convenience store typically used in the New York area as a term so thank you very much for the question yeah it's also used a lot in LA so I mean they're not uncommon in any major urban area right I mean like but it's just a convenience store these are typically smaller and yeah just on the corner kind of situation and usually a mom-and-pop as opposed to like you wouldn't typically call like a CVS or rite-aid or a Walgreens about daga right yes or like I said don't go gas station or anything like that they don't count it's just yeah little and go there get your hot examiner Barbasol if you watch the latest spider-man movie he goes and gets sandwiches from there all the time that's a perfect representation in major film and everybody that watches this show watches spider-man I'm sure so yeah staying on the same topic imagine soggy says it's not even a bodega you can't get hot food from this pantry yes exactly not gonna be run again an egg and cheese sandwich at 3:00 a.m. there yo know that okay first generally they figure out the tech for that I am on board no you do not want vending machine eggs okay that's true but that's everyone's point is it's just a vending machine ending mission it's nothing that special it's not going to replace I mean yeah you're getting weirder stuff but you look at just do me a favor everybody go go back on YouTube after the show and just Google Japanese vending machines it's an insane yeah mark I have no problem with stuffing it's spaghetti yeah I have no problem with cooler vending machines I really don't I my is not gonna replace it could be my issue lies that they're going after bodegas are you kidding me of that I don't disagree with you I I for some additional context Amazon in many ways has been working to not kill off the corner store but at least wounded or steal a little bit more if it's market share two of the things that it came out with more recently where the Amazon go store where you basically just show up pick up what you want and leave without actually having to go to a cashier and the other one that they mentioned this was announced I think last month it's called Amazon Instant pickup where you can order something on your phone and then pick it up in as little as a couple minutes yeah like an Amazon lockers location you know what they didn't say when they you know announce those that they're gonna kill off mom-and-pop shops correct yeah because like everyone is smart enough to realize that everybody already looks at them as the big bad wolf and saying something like that would be so bad but this startup by 2x Googlers maybe they need a little bit help with marketing switching gears real quick yo jazz hey awesome name right now did you get to try the Apple watch Series three how was the call and text features they showcased the watch without headphones during the event we have a couple of videos Scott's Ty and got his hands on the device we here in New York I've not seen it it will be here soon yeah we do have some info from Scott on Sina comm about his own initial hands-on impressions with the watch my initial impressions are it looks a lot like the series 1 in the series 2 except for like the red dot on the side yeah and you know the cellular functionality is is really what what's the big difference there yeah which is nice but nothing earth-shattering in my opinion it's it's what it's people that are in that market are really interested in that sale like they'll probably be able to sell those for for folks that are on the market for them all right Josh boy uh do you think that from now on the iPhone design will follow the 8 or the 10 great question I was wondering that myself I don't know I feel like standard and I feel like you know for them to not follow that in future phones it's gonna be going backwards back to the rounded so Tim Cook on stage even said he was like look this is the revolutionary phone that's going to set the pace for the next 10 years in phone designs so at the very would it make any sense if they had a phone saying if they said you know this phone is gonna set the pace for the for future phones and then not follow it on their own Isis yeah however there is a possibility that they would just branch off into two different design direction so let's phone with you 911 yo back up back up dude no but I look I think that there is going to continue to be a market for the iPhone 6 iPhone 6s iphone 7 iphone 8 and I don't think that they're gonna kill off that entire grouping next year at least but maybe in future years they're gonna move closer to the iPhone 10 look I think only by next year but we got a whole year to find out yeah all right coming down getting short on time here but we can squeeze a couple more questions in I sky high I love this when do y'all think Apple will introduce a projector inside it's inevitable I say a small laser projector set it down airplay the sound turn off the lights and let's go party aren't those mines be back to iPhone those but don't those mods exist on like the Moto phones yes put it in the iPhone Johnny I would never allow I mean it sounds like a lot of fun but I don't know a lot of people that use the projector for the Moto mod already so it's it's not something that I think a lot can there's an app on the iPhone on the to strobe the flash I can't even imagine Tim Cook like going around like trying to pitch that pitch like projector it's called the boots and cats okay I mean I would say either get a moto phone or the essential phone might end up having that as a mod at some point down the line but doesn't seem likely than enough than an iPhone would have that yeah all right couple more here I'm Prodigy says as time progresses do you think Apple will take breaks excuse me we'll take break downs right take breaks down the line when releasing iPhones example not releasing 2018 until 2019 because every year the price will keep going up I really do hope they do that I hope it turns into like a two-year cycle as opposed to every year but you know I think they're gonna have to keep it up to keep up with competition because Samsung's not gonna stop anytime soon but I do hope that they they distance out the the releases cuz then that gives people you know at least two years to save eight thousand dollars for a phone Michael Brown is on the same page or he's asking if it's going to be a two-year phone or if they're gonna update it already next year it might make more sense for the super premium iPhone ten to be on a two-year cycle but at the same time as they get as they increase production on those phones as they get more of them out in the public and people see them and really want them I think that they are gonna find ways to continue to improve them and have next year be like the iPhone 10.1 or whatever the hell they want to call it yeah Phoenix got one more question here why does wireless charging require third-party companies I myself as a little surprised by that that doesn't seem very appellee but then again in the past they have worked with Belkin a lot but I was kind of surprised that they didn't make it super hairy because that's their mo because she is pretty much in every wireless charging thing out there right now if they wanted to go and add like their own wireless charging thing they would effectively be shutting themselves out of everything that's out there already although wireless charging at airports our bodies you know the IKEA is little like bedside stand wireless charging thing that's inside the furniture so it's not a little whatever yeah that's all she'd like she liked it so they're just hopping on the train yeah it's awesome it's a consortium that came to an agreement on what the standard would be and there were three separate consortiums not that long ago and it looks like she won out so Apple in many ways had no other choice but to go with this one and unlike lightning cables where they could set the standard for themselves with wireless charging this was this was a direction that they had to go in I think it's some are I'm happy to see that rather than I'm trying to do that all the time Starbucks where it's like okay this is only for like qi wireless charging and this is for Apple Wireless like this smoking non-smoking section you know they would even have like a velvet like a phase that would have to like replace like their cheese in like put like new spots just for like Apple a who's replacing cheese no the the argument would be that they would have to because it's out if Apple I thought that was given us free cheese no apples Apple sizes and cheese at Syracuse Ramon so before we go let's go over a couple places where she is going to be available McDonald's is one Starbucks is another where where else you think we're going to see this there are already a bunch of places but are we going to see an increase do we think that anybody else is going to hop on to their bathrooms yes Lane the channel paper holder like the little box you like see that's not a terrible idea that's not a bad idea in general when Apple jumps on board with these kind of things it does end up you know giving it a fresh boost that did happen with mobile payments with Apple pay so I would expect it to happen again because you can't really see wireless charging in that many places these days so here's hoping that Apple does help make it a little bit more mainstream than it is right now I would love to see that I hate wires which is exactly why I became a studio engineer yeah we we hate why alright that's a perfect place I'll and it for today yeah been a solid week so far been you want to bring us home all right the 359 podcast is available on iTunes TuneIn stitcher SoundCloud Feedburner google play music and of course cnn.com Unicom thanks everybody great questions as always and we'll see you again tomorrow thanks for watching later guys you