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good morning from the scene at New York studios its episode 2 38 of the 359 podcast and in the house today we've got Alfred Inge and Ben Fox Reuben and today we are talking about the xbox 1 X X 1x X 1x Xbox one Xbox if you say it enough times in a dark room in the bathroom Candyman shows up I am I am sticking with Xbox Xbox I'm dubbing it here everybody out there to hang on to that it's the Xbox Xbox there's a lot to talk about with it you can't spell there's no box one X without xxx starring Vin Diesel right so we'll get out with with v3 it's going to be pretty gamer heavy today we'll talk about the Xbox one X that's the big thing that came out of v3 we'll also talk about some mini consoles that are coming out from Atari and Sega we'll also throw in something on the iPad pro yeah the reviews are in we got our hands on it and you know we'll be sharing my thoughts on it but we'll talk about it let's make this podcast happen podcast oh right sending your questions and comments of course Brian we'll get to as many as you can at the end of the show and now let's podcast all right here we go in three two welcome to the 359 I'm Alfred hang I'm Ben Fox Rubin at e3 on Sunday Microsoft unveiled the Xbox one X where they're calling it their most powerful console yet it's a biggest update as a big you know graphics boost and speed jump and will be available on November 7th for 499 dollars it was originally named as project Scorpio and they're also saying it's going to be the smallest Xbox ever now bet they've got 4k and VR support as part of it but so far there's been no games for that yet so does any of this actually even matter oh come on it matters what look you can't say we can do all these things and then like not have anything to show for it okay you are right on the VR front I actually read in our story today that not only is VR not available out of the gate for this but it might not even be available in 2018 either it's just what's the point like you could have waited for that I mean like they're still fresh off the Xbox 1s right and then and then it's just like oh we've got all these cool new things for it but it's also not okay you are gonna get a graphics boost from this even if you don't have a 4k TV it is going to provide better graphics for your current games no there aren't going to be exclusive games for the Xbox one X at least for now but uh you're gonna get better graphics and you're also gonna get faster speeds faster load times so it just seemed inpatient like like they could have clearly done all of these things for the Xbox one s and then like waited a little bit longer for sure 1x the the s also only came out was it last year that's my point they like they could have waited like a little bit for that and then just because people were still using the Xbox one pretty heavily by the time they came out with the 1s yeah just seems like very rushed I don't know like if you get this feeling from like this all this like news no I I think foundationally it seems like a really impressive machine where you are going to get a lot of really impressive stuff that maybe a year or two from now he's going to make a lot more sense and some of the stuff about it sounds really really cool so I am personally interested and excited that it's out there but I don't disagree with some of your your knocks about it you know it's already all available on the PlayStation 4 just saying ok ok um next up the reviews are in for the latest iPad pro our writer Scott Stein got his hands on it and said it improves on drawing and editing capabilities that the iPad pro already had but it's true potentials would be revealed in once iOS 11 comes out right I just it just seems like if you're in the market for a new iPad you really should just wait until September yeah of course but that being said like this is supposed to get us one step closer to complete laptop replacement yeah it gets that a little bit more at least that's according to but that's that's that's coming with iOS 11 with you know the files exploring things like that right Oh totally so so if you want to wait until sometime for sure but it's going to be the same price regardless so if you want to buy it sooner than that and start to mess around with it in the you know with iOS 10 to me that doesn't seem like there's anything wrong with that that's not like it's going to be a bad experience for you but do you see people like actually starting to legitimately replace their laptops with like a tablet hybrid kind of thing like the iPad pro is in general from what we've seen I think it's mostly been the surface not as much with the iPad but maybe this helps Apple get a little bit closer to that and next up you know I don't know if you've heard about this small company called Nintendo but uh you know around last year they were very successful with the NES classic and now Sega an Atari - video gaming Giants are hoping to do the same with the Genesis and the Atari what is it like on machine yeah the pong machine okay you know people are gonna buy that thing I don't know because these games are not from my generation so I'm wondering what like your thoughts are on this because I grow up if any of these games obviously the Sega Genesis flashback that's what they're calling it it's going to be this mini console is definitely working on the nostalgia of you know the same thing with the NES classics so my expectation is is that people would want to buy that they like sonic they like Mortal Kombat that that to me seems like a good opportunity well that's all the time that we had for today's podcast if you um want want to see more of it check us out on cnet.com I'm Alfred I'm Ben Fox Ruben thanks for listening alright so we have a few alternative name suggestions going on in the chat Xbox one X Xbox one sex that's the combination of Xbox 1s and Xbox one that is a peak creativity we have at this table as well if I was Brian Gionta pop and legend if if this was a Bryant on show I'd start singing Xbox one X when I sex you up or something like that YAG time I'm sure he's giving on it yes and we'll do a music video it's one SSX tricky volume 5 featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series this is this is the continuation of our referencing of Bryant on on every podcast isn't that in his contract yes what is not on screen the lesser that lesser podcasts have to rest at ant represent where's Brian so let's hear from everybody out there if you are super excited about the Xbox one XX bunks or not some people definitely are some people are like it's just a $500 graphics boost it's not doing much for me that's I like Striders world comment in general the e3 equals cringefest and this is very tricky on the notes on that one I said like really want to go to e3 when I was a kid like I'd watch like the coverage on tech TV which turned into g4 eventually and it was just like oh I really want to go to that and then it just got to a point where like now I see it for what it is I don't want to be there yeah it's very nerdy why that's not me why I don't want to go it just it just seems like a whole bunch of nothing mmm I guess that's true that being said I think hey do you wanna go to something cool you know I I still think the Xbox 1x is it seems to me to be a fairly big deal again I don't think that we're really going to see the total benefits of it now or maybe even next year but it really does help Microsoft get a little bit closer to what PlayStation has particularly with VR but it's not quite there yet it's not fully baked but I think it does provide the foundation for that I mean I just wish they made it more like PC gaming where it was it basically you could get games from like Steam on it and stuff like that that would like actually be something really cool for the Xbox one X expects why don't know what the initials for Xbox one X spell out Xbox it's such a meta like whoa console name holy moly so I'm just pretty awesome they should have just called it like the Xbox Triple X or something like that I don't know yeah maybe we'll get there at some point I gonna run down the prices on this so yeah got the Xbox one which is like from 2013 now two hundred and fifty dollars you're gonna pay twice as much for 99 for the Xbox one X I think you can also get the Xbox one s which came out last year also for 250 if you want to go to the ps4 that's also roughly 250 299 depending on whether it's on sale and the ps4 Pro which gets you 4k and also VR is $400 so it's $100 less than this Xbox one X and it's available now and it has executives and you can play VR on it already PlayStation 4 room there you go there you go get oh man switch this off or Microsoft Watchers but I mean okay it is what it is you're not wrong pop and legend says it should have been called Xbox one elite or something like that I I would really like to find Microsoft's naming Department because how do they jump from Xbox to Xbox 360 then to one then to one Aetna and then from s to X I don't I don't understand it it doesn't make a lot of said we would have been cool mark my words the next one's called the Xbox box Xbox box box box put it into calendars now I mean to me calling they yeah I mean like PlayStation 4 when they came out there like souped-up version is like PlayStation 4 Pro right that means it makes it makes a lot of sense is slightly higher price point station 4x12 know isn't it like in tech circles you had an X to the bottom into the end of something it suppose yeah some sort of way dalinar idea 90 okay I did either extreme to it I'm getting tired of defending this thing forget it I'm giving up this position yeah I mean it's just like what are we really shooting for here Tony Yayo says I still have my original Xbox one my name my name is Jeff he says I still have my xbox 360 Jeff me too I'm a very casual gamer I'm not that excited about this I was kind of thinking like oh maybe it's finally time to update I've skipped a generation let's go let's go down this primrose path and nope no thanks okay fair enough by the field hey I had an Xbox 360 for about a year yeah mine too yeah it's the graphics are really not that good I upgraded to the PlayStation 4 about a year ago it was totally worth it for me especially because the price kept dropping where I got it for like 250 it might be because I've never like played on like the current generation where like the graphics are like stunning but like whenever I play my xbox 360 I'm like this is fine I'm okay man I I really didn't feel that way it wasn't as enjoyable or interesting to me so that's why I like stopped playing as much with the 360 and to me that's when it was worth it to upgrade to a new one however convincing people about 4k is another thing entirely yes like are you really gonna notice the graphic difference you're probably going to need to get a new TV in and even when you do get a new TV you've got to get like a giant one so you're really going to see a lot of those differences when I then put on like the 4k glasses yeah you could do that too but that's been the problem for TV manufacturers that's been a problem for the hardware makers really convincing people to jump over this whole 4k thing I mean like HDR is another idea to get people to buy new hardware but I don't know nearly as much about that so I'm not gonna talk too much on that is anybody actually excited for the Sega Genesis and Atari whatever like remake no been given names yet or they're just exactly I think it's the Sega Genesis flashback according to our story I'm sorry disparity Sega I'm looking at it right now Sega Genesis flashback I think this is way cool I've literally never played any like Atari consoles I was really eight years ago yes yeah I mean I did play Atari and but but like for me the nostalgia really kicks in with the Sega Genesis and the NES classic frankly I feel like the NES classic was like that was the sweet spot like the Sonic the Hedgehog games sure isocitrate I'm still I just read down loaded yeah dog 3 the other day yeah but I I still think that like it was a big mistake for Nintendo to just not keep churning out those NES classics until well say Jamie there there Sega definitely is capitalizing on our mistake being that they're gonna let you plug cartridges in right oh that would be sweet take that true that's what I heard yes I just one of the rumors yeah like it comes no say it didn't happen something's not working Sega didn't have as bad of a dust problem because I had a dust guard on the actual console as opposed to Nintendo would they go dupa drop drawer oh my god I love that drop drawer there was like they had to make it a game for kids to start their games I had I had a buddy a junk there was there was in college somebody still had one of those old systems and there was like such like this this beautiful like effort that he had to do to get it to work perfectly he blew on it for like three or four minutes and then had to put it right on the edge yep for it to actually work any and you know 50% of the time even after like that entire process like it still wouldn't work but I guess I was part of the fun do you know do you know if the new Sega console will also support 4k yes absolutely well that's Sonic the Hedgehog in 4k pixels yeah there's seven I just jump back into the chat before we gotta wrap it up of the day strategies world says so many new iterations of existing generation consoles is new generation console more of a marketing campaign yeah yes that's a lot of it is my xbox one SX that's the that's the point beta elite that's something I've always bothered me where it's like it used to be like you would wait like 10 something years and then they'd come out with like this whole new one that like is like really different and now it's just like every two years it's like almost like you're getting a new phone but with like a console which is like very frustrating right and and the changes are mental what's that just a lame paint job yeah I I would argue that this one is a more significant upgrade but you're not going to really see the benefits of it right now by brick walling just like Apple I I think I agree I agree with the general sentiment I don't think that was not true have you seen the Nintendo switch alright that's pretty cool yeah I mean like and that thing is selling like hotcakes yes put in the same time as a whole new look no come on either way at the same time Nintendo really did not focus on graphics 4k and all that stuff yeah no it didn't need my focus on the game is good enough then like the graphics like really shouldn't be like the deciding factor of whether or not it's a fun game it's you're discussing we were jealous ah fickle differences between Nintendo talking about how excited we were for like the Sega Genesis whatever that's really it like the obviously the graphics are not 4k on that so like that's my point they're fun games they like last the test of time and as long as the graphics are like decent enough I don't think that like it really matters if you know mark you can count the hairs on Mario's mustache yeah which I would like to do back back to pop and legend in the chat why can't console makers just focus on making gains I just want the games to be fun are we missing something in this generation I think that's weird like I mean look at us we're sitting here getting way more excited about the rebirth about Sega Genesis I'm writing the nokia a classic retain collections which they don't have the best graphics obviously they don't even perform all that well sometimes but there's a nostalgia factor we all have pleasant recollections and memories of experiences with these games maybe they're heavily biased they're probably heavily biased by then they're like look at all this under the hood and we're like all right I mean like look at how crazy like popular like minecraft is which is not like a graphics driven game it's like good gameplay yeah which I did see an article that like oh like Minecraft Xbox one X is gonna come in 4k really Y or is the point if it's so they can put 4k on a box that's it like what's the like it's minecraft alright in the in the defense of graphics I mean like uncharted 4 is a beautiful game to play and it's when the graphics are smooth and it's a lot of fun I've also played like some PlayStation VR not allied it's very immersive it's very interesting so I'm I'm happy that we've moved on from the second Genesis ultimately yes but I appreciate what you guys are saying as far as those games as far as gameplay as far as nostalgia and a ton of value and obviously a lot of money to be made on them too yeah we gotta talk at least once about the iPad Stratos world says do you think Apple doesn't update the MacBook Air because the iPad pro is being marketed as a laptop and therefore is the entry-level laptop now great question they're not English yeah that makes a lot of sense especially since like they didn't really talk that much about the MacBook Air that much more so those like pro our desktop client and then the iPad the iPad pro yeah but like I would argued so the MSRP on the iPad pro the new one is 650 the MacBook Air is $9.99 so I think that Apple probably still wants you to buy one other MacBook Pros which is no the pros so the air is a thousand bucks the pros I think start around 1200 or 1300 something like that so they probably would rather that you didn't buy a pro because you're spending less money I mean if you think about it those like the biggest selling point for the MacBook Air was like how light it was mmm and then if you've got an iPad pro which is like definitely lighter than the then the MacBook Air is it's just one of those things where it's you know I do think they're trying to phase out the MacBook Air they've been trilling trying to kill off the MacBook Air for a long time however it just keeps selling like it's just really very much a sweet spot for a lot of people as far as a laptop is concerned yeah for whatever reason Apple along with a lot of these other tech companies like Nintendo does not want to give its customers what they want they want to tell their customers what they want and I feel like this is another example of that so I and and if somebody were to ask me you know oh I need a new laptop like should I get an iPad pro or should I get a surface or whatever I personally would not switch over from a laptop like to actually get actual work done I still yeah strongly believe in laptop I think the surface pro is like a decent like laptop alternative though I can't speak that probably more that because it has like Windows 10 on it still like you can do all of the things that you that the iPad pro is supposed to do with iOS 11 right like already on a surface pro yeah all right before we wrap it up uh Tony is asking where's Jeff Bakalar he's actually at e3 right now yeah he'll be there all week unveiling more and more coverage I know Nintendo's tomorrow and we'll be rolling out clips from everything so he's on the site there and we'll make sure to have him yeah we'll try to get him on when on the show when he gets back to do like a recap of his III experience that would be great and on that note probably a good place to wrap it up for the day yep if you liked what you heard that 3:59 podcast is available on cnet.com itunes tune in stitcher SoundCloud Feedburner and of course google play music unbelievable listening thanks everybody see you tomorrow you