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and on Tuesday September 12th at you tired from hearing from us yeah I hope not because here's a 359 podcast I'm BVG it's episode 282 and oh my god are we talking about Apple again yes new startup company is it alright anyway we just got through the big iPhone announcement like the big offense September of a shirt off new Apple TV new Apple watch but the iPhones there were three of them were easily the biggest thing that was announced that the show especially the iPhone it's not the access that takes the 10 they say I'm gonna keep getting tripped up oh yeah they skipped the 9 because the iPhone 7 8 9 oh god other way we've got I had the wolf act are in the house how this because this is a big deal without further ado we're gonna get to the podcast sending your questions and comments we'll get to as many as we can at the end of the show and let's get moving and here we go for the recording the podcast see in the chat 3 minutes and 15 seconds 4 3 2 welcome to the 359 I'm Ben Fox Ruben I'm Alfred Aang and with us today is friend of the show I as the wolf Akhtar oh whoa alright so we have three new iPhones the iPhone 8 the iPhone 8 plus and the big one the iPhone X no way that's an iPhone 10 sorry my mistake but the iPhone 10 is probably the big one that we should really talk about it starts at nine hundred and ninety nine dollars is god this new frameless display with an OLED screen there are a lot of I think the biggest reveal of this was face ID out of everything you know because it has no bezel on it now they don't have the home button anymore and therefore no touch ID yep so your fingerprints are useless now no but they're using an infrared sensor another sensor on the front to basically it'll connect like pinpoint like 30,000 dots on your face yeah and they also have neural learning on it where it can learn as like you you grow with it so like as you get wrinkles on your face or as you like grow beard or like put on like glasses it's a to learn past that what they talked about those that if you have a twin it's not that smart you have to tell the difference between you two which is interesting because I have identical twins and if I did actually have the money to get this phone I guess I would try it on them now you can get two for each of you can still put a pin on them you don't have to I would imagine you could probably use just a regular pin code if you wanted as well but when it showed off that design we've seen this rumored for a long time with a big notch on top but that seems to be explained by two-faced ID because of the array of different technologies that are in the top instead of just being like here's your earpiece here's your front-facing camera they have a lot of stuff going on in there it's not like the essential phone with a little yeah I'm very excited about how the front-facing camera finally has portrait mode now because now you'll be able to see all these really high quality selfies very important all right but but here's the big question that I'd really like to answer here is the iPhone 10 a big enough deal I mean like has it has enough changed or are they just playing catch-up to Samsung I think the eight and the eight plus were playing catch-up the Samsung I think the ten actually does a lot to put it you know slightly ahead of Samsung's especially with the infrared sensors on the front the AR capabilities that they're doing with it and emoji come on dude turn yourself into a poop that is true they have animated emojis where you can use face ID now that's only on the ten because that's how important it I think I think you know they're kind of this being the tenth anniversary of the iPhone they're comparing to that where the iPhone really wasn't that hot when it came out either but it kind of set the ground for a lot of things of what they want to see in the future that's kind of how they introduced it as you know this is the future of like smart phones I think that's kind of what they're going for with this with you know more of a focus on front-facing capabilities as opposed to the camera in the back being like the the more important shots and yeah with the high cost of this phone it's gonna cost people and the delay cuz this is not coming out until November 3rd right guys the other phones are gonna be on September 22nd so the iPhone 8 iPhone 8 has 8 + excuse me are September 22nd but this this high cost $9.99 as you mentioned 1100 $49 for the 256 gigabyte model good basically that's my rent there's gonna be a bunch of people ready for want this device but there's a learning curve to like we're sitting no home button there's that you can use the power button for Siri you've got a swipe up which is different than using iOS right now when you swipe up you get control center so there seem to be a little bit different usages for the iPhone Tan excuse me some say Ted but yeah it's I mean there is gonna be a bit of learning to it but at the same time there's been a lot of griping for Apple watchers for years now that there really hasn't been that much that's actually changed in regard to the iPhone so I guess we can at least say that they've put a lot more emphasis into literally changing the design quite a lot and adding a lot more functionality into this thing take a look at the design by the way there's a huge 5.8 inch screen versus the 5 v I think that's on the on the plus so they have a much smaller body much larger screen and that's that's gonna get a lot of people just to look at it at least and that's got it has that unique well bezel and that that that knotch so people will know when they see it so that's probably gonna turn heads still yeah I guess that's gonna do it for us for today there's also the new Apple TV the new Apple watch but I guess maybe we'll get to that stuff on another show if you want to read more about these stories check us out on CNET I'm Ben Fox ribbon I'm Alfred hang my is actor thanks for listening so a d-does p4 and the chair asks the elephant in the room what's gonna happen with the iPhone 9 7 8 9 still have left you already made that joke too it's still bad so I don't think that they really have to respond to it quite yet because they're probably gonna have the 8 s and the 8 s plus next year maybe I don't know what the hell they're gonna call the 10 though maybe a lot of the two lines we're like that's it they're at premium version like the X is is only gonna be in like Roman numerals right you know they could always go backward they just drop the number and call it iPhone iPhone Pro they could do something like that where they've renate like retro named things like remember iPad iPad air yes all iPad right but they don't look like they're putting a lot of work into branding it other than that giant X which is strange they want to 10 all their promo materials on there totally agree they should have just called it iPhone X and then allowed it to have its own naming structure next one things forward yeah names are dumb phone x1 sounds kind of awesome I mean granted we still need to like look at and buy the iPhone I mean it sounds like the Megaman naming convention they probably just should have just went with that where there's normal Megaman then there's the Mega Man X series yeah I mean but then and Mega Man 7 half of it was terrible and we talked a lot about naming conventions yesterday I for one would like to say that the new iPhone 10 does pack in a lot of stuff that you know it's to me it was a much more exciting phone than obviously last year's phone and the year before so bully for them for actually developing something that was was something a little bit more impressive to look at I don't know if you guys agree fully sharing I was staring at the comparison chart and inside and all the phones it pretty much all the same tech - that front array on the iPhone 10 there's dual OS on the back of the 10 there's not a lot differentiate I would think it may be a better process I'll have a 12 megapixel camera you're right about that they have the same processors in there the a 11 Bionic so it's kind of this curiosity of is there enough about it that differentiates it to go I'm gonna get the 10 over the 8 right plus what exactly do you get with the yeah I feel like the a wireless charge if you I see eight was massive like afterthought the moment they announced like all the features on the 10 because it was just the 8 feels like it should have just been the 7's great it was an afterthought while they were announcing yeah Phil Schiller on stage was literally snoozing through that thing just trying to go through the motions to get to the iPhone and now it's been he's like guys I'm just gonna phone it in just wait for it wait for me even that's like certain like hey I went up yeah even that's like more expensive now it's like it's 99 based and that's why I also feel like the iPhone 8 is still an afterthought because if you're already gonna shell out that kind of money for a phone you might as well like pay a little extra for the ice 300 more dollars though I agree with you to a certain extent but that's still 300 more bucks which isn't which isn't a little bit of money but yeah if you are gonna the other problem that we didn't mentioned it in the podcast is is that all signs indicate that the iPhone 10 is going to be severely limited even after it comes out in November 3rd so good luck trying to actually find this device when it becomes available it might not be until early next year or well into next year before people you you really start to see these screaming into the mains now I've been wondering this and I don't know how many people like had the same thoughts that I did during the Apple watch announcement is that I feel like that's like the perfect device or somebody that wants to declutter from all the crap on social media and being like connected all the time on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram and all where you really just want a device to stay like in touch with people but you don't want something to stare at all day how so you've got like a like a computer on your arm no but if I had that and I only yeah but it doesn't have like a like an Instagram app that I can use to scroll around on or like a camera that I can use to like constantly take photos all day for snapchat how much is that thing yeah that's that was the only that help me back I was like a part of me was consist seriously considering getting that as like just like a primary like device where like I'm not on social media anymore all the time because I'm already on it at work all the time yeah to get people caught up in case you didn't watch the Apple event the the big change with the Apple watch series 3 is that you've got cellular cellular connectivity which means that you don't have to have your phone tethered to it anymore yeah so you can make phone calls from it now you can get text messages emails all that like when you're not surfboarding yes I surf a lot so yeah like man I really wish I could making a phone call right now yeah the other thing with the Apple TV was they added 4k HDR TV worst name possible Apple TV 4k so it's an Apple TVs for cases what's the plural just does bi it's just I don't know they could have come up with a better name for that but I'm not here to talk about it they're back gaming skills I will say they were the biggest I think surprise announcements if you bought anything in HD on the Apple TV or in iTunes you get a free update or upgrade to the to the 4k versions I thought that's it that's a nice little thing of Budo do this that'd be like a huge thing you do you need new hardware though for the Apple TV 4k stuff yes and the 4k the Apple TV 4k is the first Apple TV to offer 4k so you won't be able to just go ahead and look at that I don't know if you can see it on your computer or your iPad or whatever you're gonna have a higher res version of it I'm not sure about that questions are we finally taking questions oh I already forgot waiting for you waiting for me I couldn't get you guys to shut up so much so many ways you can get us to shut up okay for example for what all right we're gonna shout out to Watson who's become one of our more recent regular listeners Watson he wants your opinion on something just sold my 7 plus and wishing I hadn't as the 8 plus is inviting Rob kraid and the ex is too expensive should I opt for Apple watch and se for the same price that was my plan you know I told you you should do that I see you lose the waterproof things of the 7 plus loss but the watch is waterproof though oh good point yeah think about that you don't know that's a big step down from it's a huge step a big plus screen to an SC screen yeah cuz I've seriously been thinking about doing this and here's the thing like if you take photos a lot then you know the kind of defeats the purpose of having both both the watch and and a phone you might as well just have the phone only if I mean that's the thing like if you're not like plugged in all the time you're not taking a lot of photos you're not like checking your Facebook feed constantly and you kind of only want like a device on you to like know when people are sending you emails or notifications or anything like that but also never being able to reply to them because you can't text on it I I do like Watson's idea though insofar as it's kind of like going to a restaurant and wandering to apps for dinner which is super fun something like the the smart walk of like the Apple watch a flight LTE features to me just feels like a smart pager where you get notifications without a phone but you can't respond to them except for making phone calls which if you used a pager you feel alive when people use pagers then yeah you know what phone calls are what do you think is what he should do yeah well yeah I mean but look the at least the eight plus did you have that new design with the glass pack you do get wireless charging what you would not have had on the seven plus should you get the SC plus the watch again like what Alfred saying it depends if you take a lot of photos because of the seven plus had a great camera and the eight plus has the same cam with a different sensor but still 12 megapixels but be a larger sensor so it's really about photos so if you really love photos get something with a good camera but your watch isn't I can't even take photos one day when they like but I've seriously thought about doing that I'm still considering it right now so all right back into the chat it's pretty polarizing go figure more than a few people not pleased with the facial recognition face ID I think it's kind of an annoying feature I think it's interesting it's I don't understand why they like I know that they had to get rid of the home button but I also know the why because they wanted the full screen thing but I don't understand why they has get rid of touch ID with it because Sam somebody's been able to integrate a fingerprint sensor into the screen yet yeah just put it on the back right poorly yeah but it didn't work I'm saying like Apple has like you know the resources to do to put it on the back with good design I mean that's been their whole MO I have heard a lot of gripes about facial recognition as far as privacy concerns goes yeah so here's the thing about biometrics is that you're like the Constitution does not protect you from law enforcement getting your like biometrics from you so if you're required to give up your fingerprint for something they can force you to do that they can't force you to give your password because that's like the Fifth Amendment you're not allowed to incriminate yourself so you can't create yourself with your face or print or your face no but that's like just that's just like that's a biometric that's not like oh my gosh that's not you giving up certain piece of knowledge that they wouldn't they have we just entered a black mirror episode where my dream that discriminate they decided that in a court in like 2014 that like they can force you to give up your fingerprints but they can't force you to give up your passwords that's why a lot of privacy advocates they just use your user password don't use biometric now with this you know you can still have a password on the phone though but you know they're they're pushing really heavily for this facial recognition thing and there's a lot of concern that you know now a cop can just like if you want to unlock your phone take your phone and hold up to your face and then swipe up pretty much can you have like up like an emergency face if I'm making it fun frankly don't unlock there an emergency there must be an emergency faces up and what if I had different shortcuts for like what face is your major smile gonna have the front-facing camera face you call the wolf like the wolf okay here's the other feature here's the other things that people think that annoy people there in the demo it didn't even work he tried showing off face ID and it like bugged out on him and he was like okay let's just put the pass or no he switched the phones he went to the second phone didn't work though right that works not with the face idea though he don't unlock the second one worked with the lady I believe the first and the password in first when you see the path we go on the screen I started we can rewatch that but we will watch it but yeah I there are a lot of annoyances that come with face ID I don't know if you guys are planning on using it or there was a company that showed off the fingerprint sensor underneath the display yeah remember Sam someone was gonna do it huh apples when they wanted it to but they couldn't get it to work reliably yeah which made me think man this year is not the best time we got the cool you know the s8 we got the note eight we've got iPhone 10 and they all don't have this I bet next year look we listen to you guys at Apple and we've integrated it into the screen we now have touch ID back because it's probably gonna be fixed by next year I don't know we said the same thing last year about the headphone jack saying oh we listen you guys know that they would never go back okay adding another option that you never use I think that we did also justifies that price staying at $9.99 next year like that I'm planning 11 stop stealing my face ID people what happens when somebody starts a 3d printing your skull and using that well that was one of the things that they showed off that was crazy yeah so they said they worked with like Hollywood mask makers to kind of try to figure out a way to just poof their own camera cuz it's happened before it happens for a Samsung every time they come out with a new phone they have their face unlock feature on it and then within like two three weeks they show like oh look we tricked it with this photo that like we just put in front of it because it was like sounds like it would be a little bit harder to do with this one yeah but at the same time did they mention that a twin will trick it yeah they mention a twin but here's the thing that I would like to I have a small quibble every single time a twin is mentioned they always say it's an evil twin have to be evil cuz your if it was a good twin they wouldn't be trying to unlock your phone fine so they mentioned how they got like mask makers to like replicate like people's faces in the same way that you know hackers could try to 3d print something and then put it there and I mean they're saying that it wasn't tricked I'd like to see you know people get their hands on and see what they can do with it at this point because that's what they did for the print stuff at this point the bar has been set fairly low by Samsung because their facial recognition software yeah they even said like this is a new feature but it's not really maybe there's a difference between what Samsung is doing what they're doing with face ID though so with Samsung's I was using the front-facing camera they don't have like infrared lens or 3d sensors or anything like that that's what they're saying makes there's Apple is saying makes face ID different with the infrared sensor so it could also detect in the dark and 3d sensor so that you know or deaf sensor sorry so that it knows that it's not just a photo like it can tell the contours of like 3d now with like 3d printing like a face though like somebody's skull they're saying that there's like some kind of like liveness they also that's where they're they're like neural engine comes in like the machine learning so like like I said earlier how it learns to detect like your face and grow a beard or anything like that um a friend of mine brought up an interesting point like what if what happens if you get like like in a car accident or something your face is scarred cuz like the machine learning that learns over time so like as I get older and get wrinkles or something you know then it changes that like my face you would retrain but yeah it is learning it but I think if you get in a horrible car accident worrying about how to unlock your phone but without the pin that's probably not that significant I guess if you had your phone similar unlock it you but I can't make an emergency call although you think you can unlock with the emergency calls no matter what right yes or with the pen yeah you can always make emergency calls all right let's get to another question finally favorite design our banks going to accept face ID as payment so they did mention Apple pay that you could use Apple pay with face ID because obviously it's supposed to work just as well if not by some avocados start using it yes yeah I mean like I have the Chase Bank app on my iPhone right now and it uses touch ID so if it wants to continue to utilize those types of biometrics then I would assume that it would integrate face ID fairly quickly whether you can use that for payments or venmo yeah maybe and to me that continues to add to the benefit of it yeah but there's some kind of SDK to take you from touch ID to face ID for the developers but there has to be something mm-hmm I just can't help but not make sure that's like a really awkward situation where you're just gonna sit there and there somebody's gonna ask like hey can you send me that on venmo and you may like okay are you taking a selfie no I'm not it doesn't have to be that way look like you were able to put the phone next to the point of sales thing and you didn't have to like be hovering over it so it looked like it's reaching out far for you so I'm really curious if that's gonna work how well that's gonna work I'm very interested to see how this works in person we have a bunch of people that are actually at the event you know when Roger gets back from SF he'll be able to tell us a little bit more about the demos that he got to see at the event today I asked him to bring a photo of himself to try and trick it but he said that it's not very likely that I hope you were to try to trick it because first you have to set the phone's password as that face and all this stuff I think it might be a while before we can find out if it can be tricked or not cool all right let's lay them through a few more question before we wrap up for the day Halim who else hates the giant lock at the top of the screen on the iPhone you mean the notch a little notch she called the lock there's a underneath the notch when you're looking at the phone and it actually they animated it to unlock when you unlock the phone with the lock on the screen with the notch it might be it's pretty ugly looking but I think strike antics do you see it and you're like oh it worked because then you still have to swipe up you doesn't just automatically unlock with your face if people start to complain a lot about that lock specifically if that's what he's talking about then that's something that can be fixed with software and you don't really have to live with it what else we got plenty hang on speed round now you're not there ready we're gonna crap here hey love we love our viewers not crap it is a lot to filter through everybody's putting in a lot of great conversation today I still kind of convinced like we could just here and go back and then the the chat just kind of takes care of it some would argue let's go back to Watson do you think the new Apple watch is still a gimmick a novelty after the introduction of cellular I actually thought that was kind of an interesting yeah but finally useful how clear something up for me though are you going to have to add the Apple watch to your cell plan as another device on a family plan or does it piggyback yeah I saw from a tee there you'll have to pay $10 extra a month for the watch feature okay honestly I expected a lot worse than that but that's just a teensy I don't know what it's like rather yeah carriers I wonder if somebody would like try to incentivize that going back to spider to try to quell t-mobile had this thing a wild oat they got rid of it now because it was costing them so much full disclosure t-mobile is sponsoring us today oh just saying be careful all right fine going back to Watson's original question you think the Apple watch is still a gimmick I mean like they've got their onto series three at this point obviously they've been selling them in the promo video they trying to show okay this is what people actually use this thing always been like what is this for why am I gonna need this why can always pull a sheeting in the Major League Baseball mostly yes that was also in the video no I do think that it finally has used now I mean I think when the Smart Watch first came out everybody had this whole vision of like the Power Rangers where they could like talk on their phones with each other and you know have like connectivity with that but then one big first smartphones all came out I was just you know hey this can like detect your heart rate and tell you how well you sleep at night and it just became okay that's cool but I don't want to spend money on that but now with like this communicate like communicator kind of feature on it I think it's I don't think it's a gimmick anymore I also appreciated some of the efforts that they put into some of the medical uses granted they need to be especially careful with that because obviously the Apple watch is not a medical device but with some of the diagnostic features they at least presented the possibility of it having some really impressive futuristic uses not now not today perhaps but maybe a couple years from now and the fact that it's generally untethered entirely with V of the cell version of it that makes it more useful cuz you not like well I have this other thing too so then I might as well look at the other thing then you can leave your phone at home and run around do whatever and still have that connection that I think finally brings it somewhere where it's supposed to be and they weren't kidding about the idea that they didn't make it much larger they added a little thickness to it but it doesn't look barely yeah so I want to bring up a comment from puppy proud people she got my attention this has nothing to do the iPhone acts actually has more to do with the iPhone 8 which is ironic because we thought we were gonna see a lot more AR in the 10 but they definitely demoed more of it in the 8 it probably have very similar capabilities probably but it was definitely a louder statement during that part of the keynote anyways the AR stuff is cool literally he the only interesting part of the announcement though I don't know if they go to that extreme but I did kind of find that feature interesting from showing the constellations and getting the stats on the sports player it's like that was kind of that was cool that was pretty darn cool right yeah I think Apple obviously realizes that a is a very big part of the future for a lot of major tech players so they're trying to stake their claim to it at this point I don't expect the iPhone 8 or the iPhone 10 to really have a ton of a our capabilities but they're at least trying to like put their you know stake in the ground and that game looks pretty hey we're gonna start doing this my game looks pretty dope the one that they showed off but I feel like there's gonna be a lot of like Nintendo Wii like accidents like waiting to happen you remember when the we came out and like you were like broke their TVs and like hit their dogs by accident whatever they're like this is real life nothing that can be thrown your phone and say no but I'm saying like when they're like trying to shoot stuff on a table and they're walking around the table and they're not noticing stuff there's gonna be a lot of people like falling and like hitting that's a Pokemon go effect saying ard MD is gonna be sick Alfred effete if that comes to the office I'll join you for that oh yeah I'm right there with you yeah I just like it for the sports feature there's being able to be like okay what's going on who's like what it would just came into the into the game you can actually have that overlay that's supposed to be the future which we have not had other than Google glass which was a fun all right we're getting low on time but I can't go a show without bringing up our buddy Michael Brown who's always for a really fantastic input Michael Brown says I think the iPhone X was a solid announcement and then he goes on to have a comment back back and forth with our new friend Watson says I'd like to see CNET test both side by side maybe the team can do a comparison video and he's referencing the new pixel to forthcoming between the eight and the 10 pixel the 10 in the pixel yeah we have to do that absolutely and then just to close things out they are brown says what is something you think will be the killer app or feature or a for AR on the iPhone X yo ard and Devon 10 they are D&D I already said it I like a lot of the stuff that they presented with Google lens where it you use AR as an overlay for literally anything that you need extra information while you're walking around town so it's kind of like a pop-up video for life you want to get additional information for a restaurant get an idea when you know something is closing what's available nearby all sorts of stuff where it's just more information that you would find on the Internet immediately available right in front of you I think that is something that a lot of people are gonna use much more often for a are definitely oh you know what to be a great AR app you know you know how like when you were a kid and then you'd be like from like people really far away you're like I'm crushing your head like literally a killer app I'm thinking as dumb as it was an an emoji thing I bet you people are gonna love that thing I figured you'd be more excited about I crush your head but I never understand what emojis first came out like this makes no sense and then it like exploded and this animated version when you have your own voice and the stupid that's awesome that already happens on snapchat I'm telling you that as dumb as that is Apple has this weird tendency to go yeah we know everybody else did this but when we do it you're really gonna use it like the way people were using iMessage with all their stickers and all that extra crap you know was on every other platform already but people love freaking iMessage so I think that's still gonna be the big first things they've seen it already I yeah I think you're definitely on to something with that so this has been a really good discussion today but I think we are just about out of time and we're gonna have to close it out cuz I know Alfred you've got to me I got it interview at 4:30 yeah and I as and I have to go finish top five so I have alright let's wrap it up thanks everybody for all your questions really appreciate it we're probably gonna continue with more Apple stuff tomorrow 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