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CES posed the unique opportunity to speak with engineers at various board manufacturers and system integrators allowing us to get first-hand information as to and these plans for the x5 70 chipset launch we already spoke of the basics of x5 70 and our initial and the CES news coverage primarily talking about the launch timing challenges and PCIe 4.0 considerations but we can now expand on our coverage with new information about the upcoming Rison 3000 series chipset for Xen to Architecture desktop CPUs before that this video is brought to you by the open bench table a lightweight and ultra portable test bench built with high-quality anodized aluminum and with a modular approach to design the open bench table is easy to collapse store and assemble to test different parts and as one of the test benches that we use in the GN labs the open bench table contains everything you need to test PC builds and configurations and it's available in silver black red and a mini ITX version learn more at the link in the description below we're finally back in the studio clearly and I don't know there might be one or two more CES videos going up but we're really about at the end of it at this point but there was some really important opportunities at CES where we can meet with some of the the people we don't only get to talk to when we're not at a tradeshow and learn more about a in these plans for X 570 the chipset and a little bit about Rison 3000 series we also met with AMD on Rison 3000 series and II was not really ready to share product details just yet they did share a little bit for example the TDP shouldn't really change on rise in 3000 versus 2,000 that should be roughly the same but they didn't get much more detailed than that an hour CPU meeting GPU meeting was much more detailed but that's in a separate video so this allowed us the opportunity then to instead speak to people like system integrators motherboard manufacturers people we can't name in this video for obvious reasons so we trust the sources of this information we've worked with these people before they are typically accurate however we should of course note that it's not official and the information just yet so some of this data could change although we don't suspect much of it will perhaps launched I mean that would be about the extent of any changes you might you might encounter so then rise in 3000 series Andy has not officially put a date on this and he is officially saying mid-year and in speaking with and these partners who can't be named that mid-year is more likely a June launch we're not sure when in June you could probably surmise that it would coincide with copy tax which is late May early June so June is Andy's target based on what their partners are saying we brought this up to Andy and AMD said well you know we can't confirm that and maybe let's be careful of saying June because it could change so Andy might move that launch window around but currently behind the scenes the target is June for the cpu's now the biggest thing is AMD is trying to leave some leniency for changes in scheduling particularly with the chipset the CPU should probably be ready a bit earlier than the chipset the chipset is encountering a few more challenges they probably will be conquered but it's just a matter of timing and when they'll be resolved and so some of this the biggest point of consideration for launch it has been whether AMD wants to align its X 570 chipset launch for the new motherboards with the new CPU launch because the new Seabees will work in X 470 and previous chipset boards so they don't have to launch with a new motherboard but of course it's kind of it's better for the ecosystem it's better for the motherboard makers most users probably want to buy the newest board with the newest CPU it makes sense so AMD is trying to figure out how to align those two launches and depending on how X 570 goes that might be out of alignment but right now it does sound like they will likely launch them together it's just it's totally up in the air at this point for that specific aspect so despite the fact that the new CPUs will work with the motherboards previously released X 570 will carry with it some updates and that's what we have information on for you today so this information a good amount of it was contained in the first video the news video talking about Radeon seven but some of it's brand-new here we obtained this from contacts very close to product development and we've vetted them between other contacts close to product development so this should be pretty accurate the previous AMD chip sets were made by as media a s media as media and these introduced early challenges and development for the 1000 series CPUs they're all pretty much resolved as time went on but as media did do a lot of the design work and handled sourcing and fabrication of the chips that's it as a silicon part ultimately the new series of chipsets our understanding is that AMD will be working to design the X 570 chipset on its own without as media's help and we'll be sourcing fabrication on its own so that's news separately and these migrating it's epic chipset as we understand it today down to X 570 so the existing epic chipset it'll get some changes some tweaks along the way but it is being migrated in more of a one-to-one fashion than you might expect down to X 570 so silicon will be updated for isin 3000 the XY 70 chipset should run out about 15 watts which is a significant change in raw numbers but not a significant change in cooling or anything like that and the the raw number difference you have 15 watts for X 570 probably verses 6 to 8 for X 470 so in terms of cooling capacity this really doesn't mean anything when you're looking at a motherboard I mean we have an Intel board here the chipset is that's the chipset right there that's it and most the companies put these big blocks on them and although you could argue that yes this is for thermals realistically no you could run this board like this and it would be just fine unless you're doing extreme overclocking and even then the chips that's not really getting that hot chipset can get hot when you start doing things like raid SSDs you're really hammering the i/o on the chip set button generally don't need cooling or not much of it it can be passively done as you all know so 15 watts verses 68 not really that significant with regard to cooling but a significant change in that the chipset will be capable of doing more at least in its present design assuming this all goes through so other than this the PCH or the chipset will likely only have gen 3 PCIe gen3 coming out of it and go into the PCIe slots but we're not 100% clear on that just yet so bear with us on that one that this it sounds like from what we understand the biggest point of consideration again for the chipsets is what generation PCIe is going where because we know PCIe gen for is supported on the CPU side and he has publicly unofficially confirmed this it will therefore be supported to the video card slots the ones that are wired directly to the CPU but what happens at the chipset level is that Gen 4 going to the chipset to Gen 3 going to the chipset because there's lanes use there and then as a Gen 4 coming out of the chipset or not so what we understand today and this could change is that it's likely PCIe gen3 coming out of the chips that go into the PCIe slots there are some notes here in caveats though that we'll talk about as we go so CPU for sure gen for proper that's that's what we know absolute sure and we spoke about the PCIe lanes going to the chipset previously and with some of our contacts and we're told that again this is the the sort of the TBD part where am these holdups are it could go gen 4 for that so AMD is looking to launch its be 550 chipset roughly one quarter after X 570 if things go as they are presently times then be 550 should be roughly quarter three of the year maybe towards the end of it and bx5 zone it should be in the middle of your June ish so depending on how much would delay there is if there is one be 550 at one quarter after that XY 7 YZ timeline is currently up in the air Rison 3000 should be june readiness but not necessarily launched and the launch again will depend on the strategy so as for the significance of PCIe gen for you might likely realize that video cards today don't exceed PCIe gen3 bandwidth on a by 16 slot so there's a few places this is useful one of them is running with fewer lanes so you could for example go down it's it's about 2x the banner it's about 2 times the amount of bandwidth with Gen 4 versus Gen 3 so you could then go down to say by 8 instead of by 16 to achieve the same maximum throughput potential although the device is ultimately the bottleneck generally not the interface and doing this allows you to reserve more of those lanes for other things so you have more video cards and some platforms you could have more raid SSDs in in other platforms just depends on how they're all wired but and in that scenario with regard to SSDs depends on what happens at a chipset level to is it gen 3 Gen 4 but that's the main advantage is you don't need as many lanes to achieve the same throughput another advantage SSDs can become limited with the current gen 3 interface with by 4 setups so this will allow a solution to that where you can now develop faster asses to use or at least put fast SSDs on a faster interface so that's useful but otherwise increased bandwidth is is just useful for reducing the lane requirement to achieve the same thing at least until new higher-end devices come out because dual 28 ET is for example only really exceed PCIe bandwidth and they're not connected with a bridge as long as there's a bridge there you're fine AMD should be a bit more interesting because they don't AMD doesn't use bridges at least not on the present GPUs that are out today so that's there's your notes on gen 4 and its usefulness and it's where it's not useful which would be just a single video card for example unless you really want buy eight for some reason but what are you using the other lanes for them just to recap what we already reported as well in the initial news video if you didn't see it there you forgotten we expect that some motherboard manufacturers may enable backwards compatibility for PCIe gen 4 on existing x4 70 or similar motherboards there are two angles to this year so one of them with a BIOS update and with horizon 3000 series CPU that would be required x4 70 could theoretically support PCIe gen 4 and the biggest challenge is existing pins traces the end points could kind of need some modifications electrically but the bandwidth is there it can handle the throughput you just need the CPU to do it and the downside is that because of those endpoints changing potentially because of the electrical tweet tweaks that might be needed to stabilize the platform x4 70 with an update might not be that common it depends on the board manufacturers so it is unlikely that motherboard manufacturer are going to go back and update x4 70 on a physical level but potentially BIOS updates so that is useful and they would just need to enable a PCIe jenefor option and bios so that you can enable it and use it whether or not it's stable is really a completely different question though and that'll depend on the wiring of that particular board and if it will work just from what we've learned from official sources at AMD as well so because the electrical wiring of the x4 70 boys won't be updated for PCIe gen for it's possible that some boards will encounter issues with stability issues display out transmission in general on gen 4 if being updated according to some of our contacts whether this happens will depend on how well the existing x4 70 boards can handle PCIe gen 4 and as far as we understand it for the most part it's not that different at least at a very top level but we spoke with some engineers lower down and the company's lower down meaning engineering wise not ranked and our understanding is that there's there are some some electrical design changes that need to happen to really make sure that the signal quality is good I don't know what those changes are but that was the top level explanation I got from one of our contacts so I think that Tower is most of what we know about x5 is only for you like I said unfortunately and I wish I had a better answer for you as to what's happening with Gen 4 at a chipset level but I just don't and and we'll update you as we learn more about what's happening there but depending on who we spoke to it kind of changed the answer of ok is it is it it's Gen 4 we're going to come out of the chipset and it sounds like the expectation is that gen 3 will come out of the chipset but that AMD is is still finalizing these details and specifically the item of finalization is is the PCIe version from the standpoint of the chipset or the CPU communicating with the chipset and that's kind of what we're waiting on right now but the rest of it is is looking pretty good from a standpoint of being final so yeah biggest news here epic is being brought down to X 570 we understand that with fair certainty from ours so that probably is happening for sure 15 watts for six to eight that could change if they optimize things but not particularly relevant just something to know and and then be 550 coming in the quarter following next 570 so those are the the main concrete details we have for you and the rest is just kind of it's a bit more wishy-washy than I wish it were but but it gives you an idea of kind of what the considerations are right now at the motherboard makers and at AMD and as we develop the story and learn more we can get you fir more details on what's happening with regard to chipset features at a width with more certainty so hopefully that gives you some information you didn't already have as always you can subscribe for more we had a previous video on Radeon 7 or Vega 7h prefer same idea and we did that one at CES the interesting point there is that we got some news from AMD officially that the boost routine the boost algorithm or the boost reference table is being retuned for Radeon seven so that's kind of interesting but again hard to get specific details from any company at these events and either they're best to answer our questions but every time you know it's okay what does targeted architecture changes what does that mean couldn't get more detail than that but we have what we know in that video if you want to see it so subscribe for more thank you for watching I'll see you all next time