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in our i5 2500 K and i7 2670 promised to also revisit one of Andy's older CPUs against a modern suite of processors but we weren't sure at the time which one to revisit the Phenom 2 series eventually struck us as a perfect option to cover once again given its widespread adoption and high ratings on old product pages and it's quite old at this point but still something that people use and these flagship phenom 2 CPUs were all built on 45 nanometer fabrication process and targeted to compete with 45 nanometer Linfield core i5 CPS from going to hail online today we're revisiting the Phenom 2 CPUs before that this video is brought to you by course there's a new Vengeance RGB LED Ram which ships with custom screens ICS for better overclocking performance and stability given that memory is highly relevant for performance with new rise in CPUs now is a good time to do research on high performance kits start with the Vengeance RGB LED kit at the link in the description below to provide some historical context on these CPUs and the launched 2 phenom 2 x6 CPUs in April of 2010 starting with a 1055 T which we have here and the 1090 T Black Edition which we've got right here that were revisiting today this launch had the 1090 T price at 295 dollars out of the gate and the 1055 T price at $200 originally though it dropped a little bit later in December of 2011 down to $150 MSRP for the 10:55 T with a 1090 T also seen reductions this reduction was partly in response to Sandy Bridge which came out in early 2011 and also in response to Andy's new architecture bulldozer which came out after the Phenom 2 line so I kids everyone some basic context the 1090 T black edition was the higher-end option and the 1055 T was more of the mid-range unit again at $200 and the Phenom 2 CPUs had a really short period to shine but they did shine when they launched they competed with the i-5 in the Hale M CPS directly that would be Linfield of the time again 2010 first quarter first half anyway and later on about one year later first half of 2011 the Sandy Bridge line would begin the ship with the first round of CPUs hitting market in first quarter of 2011 meaning that phenom 2 was sandwiched between what is arguably one of Intel's of best architectures or at least most interesting even compared to today is given the limited gains from Intel lately and one of Andy's the next architecture is bulldozer phenom 2 was right before those 2 launches so it was limited and we're revisiting it today so we're never enough to speed on the time looking back to an intact initial review we see that they indicated the Phenom tears performed well against Intel's 2010 quad-core CPUs for production that were behind and lightly threaded applications like games that's somewhat familiar even 7 years later with risin and Intel's current KB like CPUs after it launched these two and the Phenom 2 CPUs that were followed by the 10:35 t10 45t a different 1055 T than the one we tested a 1065 T a 1075 T and finally the 1100 T Black Edition CPU just like horizon these CPUs weren't actually different beyond some clock and voltage changes which means that overclocking a 1055 T to 1090 T clocks would get you the same performance just like overclocking a 1700 to an 1800 X clock will get you the same performance on Rison before jumping into the test we've got an overclocking chart on the screen now note that testing methodology and overclocking details are linked in the article below including some the guides reference for overclocking phenom these were a bit different to overclock than the chips of today and there are a few more numbers to tune we've got them on the screen but more information in the article for the rest on that let's open up with some rendering and synthetic benchmarks starting with blender blender kicks us off on the x6 CPUs and should be an interesting place to gauge how some of the earliest consumer six cores have held on at stock speeds the 1055 T is officially the slowest CPU we've tested in blender taking nearly 2 hours to render the 4k image that an i7 2670 3.9 minutes the 1090 T didn't fare much better at about a hundred minutes to complete for a modern comparison from AMD the r7 1700 at 303 dollars that we praised recently is priced similarly to the aged phenom to 1090 t but completes the same render in 30 minutes stock settings overclocking the Phenom 2 CPUs allows the render to finish significantly faster with a twenty six point eight percent reduction time required to 1055 T which is now down to 80 minutes and a 19 point one percent reduction in time required to attend 9dt that lands both CPUs ahead of the overclocked 2500 K ahead of the stock FX 83-70 which was released several years later and about two percent behind the i5 4690k three fresh everyone the 4690k uses 22 nanometer process and launched four years after the 1055 TN 1090 T with a launch MSRP that was $45 higher a more blender ready CPU like the 2600 K which was a hyper threaded i7 completes the render in 74 minutes stock or about 55 minutes one overclock Cinebench is a synthetic benchmark that got a lot of focus during rise ins launch and marketing so we're going to include it here to provide some comparisons and baselines against modern CPUs the extra threads on the Phenom 2 x6 CPU benefit us with this test pushing the stock 1090 T ahead of the i5 2500 K or the overclocked 1090 T and 1055 T overclocked ahead of the overclocked 2500 K again we end up just behind the 4690k once again when considering only multi-threaded performance that said in single threaded performance both the 10:55 TOC and 1090 TOC score lower than every CPU except the FX 8270 piledriver cpu which again launched after both b10 55t and 1090 t will point out that the 2600 k cost $317 at launch $22 higher MSRP than the 1090 t and 30% greater in stock performance incentive inch multi-threaded although the processors had probably been discounted by then the SMB launch came shortly after phenom Pugh and bulldozer later drove prices down to compare against andcbs today the x6 1090 T overclocked performance lands at at 596 multi-threaded and 104 single-threaded whereas the r7 1700 stock performance landed at 1421 multi-threaded and 149 single-threaded our 7 1700 stock cpu performs about 2.4 times faster and multi-threaded Cinebench testing than the Phenom 2 1090 T overclocked CPU which was the flagship of its era like Blender Adobe Premiere gives us a real-world benchmark of the CPUs rendering performance our premier test uses our EVGA icx review posted in February but it was also a test built for modern CPUs like Rison the port phenom 2 chips sadly have a lot in front of them to handle because this is a heavy workload built for modern processors to give perspective on how the Phenom sees I've aged in Vermeer we see that our overclocked 1055 T completed rendering in 246 minutes or over 4 hours this would be the same time requirement as the 1090 T over clocks for what it's worth in the same way that an overclocked 1700 and an overclocked 1800 X have the same clock for clock performance when you're testing in any application at all really like pov-ray tests that are in the article the premier test has only recently been introduced and therefore is it limited in how many devices are on the bench the previous maximum time was 160 three point six minutes for the i-5 7200 K with a minimum CPU render time of 58 minutes on the 16 900k cuda renders of the same scene completed in about 20 minutes and the r7 1700 finished in 73 minutes stock or about 62 minutes when overclocked which again was impressive for that CPU at this point almost any modern affordable GPU will weigh out render the Phenom Zinn premiere and if you're looking to upgrade CPUs there are seven CPU is a breeze past the Phenom is a few times over when looking strictly at the production workloads which is where rise and shines for 3d mark charts and notes on times by issues check the article linked in the description below but now we're going to get started with some of our game benchmarks we look first to watchdogs 2 for a modern heavily threaded title our overclocked 1055 T outperforms the 1090 T in this title thanks to higher memory frequency but the average is still just 48 fps or about 27% increase over stock performance an X CPU up is the i3 6300 which netted to the for FPS average 41 1% blows and 3401 1% blows that's about 13 percent faster and averages than the overclocked phenom 2 CPUs and a modern r7 1700 priced around $330 performs at 84 fps stock or in the 90s when overclock the 7700 K 4 perspective pushes 113 FPS average 1 under stock configurations the phenom tcp is wood bottleneck most modern video cards in this game including at the gtx 1060 RX 480 and RX 580 and up cards and so if this is what you're running in trying to upgrade video cards it's probably time to upgrade the cpu as well moving now to total war Warhammer the Phenom 2 x6 10:55 TC view operates at 65 FPS average with the overclocked 1055 T at 83 FPS average for an uplift of 28% that puts it behind the i5 2500 K from 2011 about a year after the Phenom launched and that's at 92 FPS average for the 2002 K no 2500 K has not been retested with the total war patch that improves frame time performance for all CPUs including the Intel and and the horizon processors this means that any CPU you see in this chart without an asterisk next to its name it would perform a few percentage points higher in averages with the patch and there would be bigger gains for low values so keep that in mind that said it's only a few percentage points in averages so this still serves as a good comparison considering we're looking at the chip that is 7 years old the 1090 teased higher core overclock isn't as helpful as a memory overclock on the 1055 T showing an additional choke point in the platform and finally the i7 2670 Neph PS average GTA 5 has had some issues with higher frame rates that we've recently detailed and originally exposed in January but as these phenom devices are slow enough to dodge the higher speed issues we can still use GTA 4 this test the 1055 T overclocked 6 core runs an average FPS of about 81 with the stock performance at around 62 FPS average loads are reasonable across the board as we don't encounter the stutter issue at this low of a frame rate and the i5 2500 K runs its average at 101 fps the lowest scoring Intel device on the band and these FX 83 74 point of reference was the previous lowest score on the bench at a 93 FPS average taking it around 15% faster than the overclocked 1055 T battlefield want overclocking at 10:55 T or 1090 T CPUs improves us to north of 60 fps across averages and lows serving over franzine's and producing a frame rate that in years of the FX 83-70 cpu keep in mind of course that if you're playing a heavily loaded of multiplayer matches with a lot of actors on the screen these numbers will go down but they would go down linearly and we're just looking at Delta's here anyway for point of reference the i7 2670 nefb s average one stock about 132 FPS average overclocked and the 2500 K runs its average at about 115 fps stock and finally ashes of the singularity was basically non-functional with the CPU we had some issues with the X 12 games in general and x 5 was another one which is a DX 12 test so there are some issues that we ran into with the X 12 we were able to run some of those pests like ashes it's just the performance was really not great to the point that it's not worth talking out in the video however if you want to see the ashes charts including escalation they're linked in the article in the description below so that you can read them in the article they're by Patrick Layton but talk about the conclusion here so the Phenom 2 it's kind of fun to revisit because the historical context of the Phenom 2 when it launched that was a pretty serious era for CPUs we're looking at just after that launch just after 2011 there was sort of a stagnation for our market for the enthusiast market in terms of CPU performance and growth from basically 2011 until now more or less because any of the Intel upgrades in between have been pretty unexcited if you're running something like a Sandy Bridge CPU already in fact we've said a few times lately about a 2600 K to maybe a 7700 K ignoring AMD for a moment if you're looking at linear upgrades only that's pretty good but anything below that was really on exciting and the Phenom 2 hasn't aged in quite the same way that the 2600 K has but it's also a bit older it's 45 nanometer manufacturing process and it competed with Nehalem the Linfield CPUs on the i-5 so that's even a generation back from Sandy Bridge that's how far back we're looking they did well for considering how old they are but yeah if you have one it's probably time to start thinking about an upgrade at least especially if you're already looking at GPU upgrades because you're definitely bottlenecking any type of modern GPU from those or maybe the $100 GPUs would skate by but anything over that CV upgrades in order now that said the stuff to look at would be Rison so we have our Rison tests the most recent one would probably be the rise in revisit that's what we would encourage you to look at because that's got the most up-to-date numbers from us and then we also revisited the 2200 k and 2500 k if you're interested in those types of tests we have a bit more commentary on the era and the performance of those chips there but overall pretty fun project it is always cool to look back in a history phenom to came out before we started reviewing CPUs officially so there's a bit of a learning process just to read about all the old architectures always fun to do if you like this type of content you can support us directly on patreon.com slash gamers Nexus we use some of that money to buy a phenom 2 10 9 DP Black Edition which believe it or not a hundred bucks for the 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