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our news recap from yesterday briefed you on Andy's launch timelines and with Andy's accidental stream of the rehearsal and latest you of the keynote itself we can now confirm that our information in yesterday's content was correct AMD ended up reviewing some limited information on CPU specs like we said but nothing on the full stack just yet many of the CPUs have not been unveiled at this time and deep respects won't be detailed until later we do have the very top level specifications on some products though mostly ones we already knew but we have some prices unfortunately but not unexpectedly and he still hasn't revealed the full product line yesterday we told you that the June 10th event part of Andy's next horizon III opener would have the full product line up prices SKUs for GPU and CPU and deeper specifications on what's going on in the silicon before that this video is brought to you by Corsairs an iron claw RGB wireless gaming mouse the corsair iron claw focuses first on 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with AMD when you have bass and boost it doesn't mean a whole ton what we really want to see is further information on how it behaves under boost and how XFR behaves with the new rise in 3000 series so basin boost not the whole story but let's get into it to recap the timelines that we gave in yesterday's content July 1st is the pre-order date for CPUs as always we'd recommend waiting for reviews for pre-ordering products so July first for that the x5 Sony motherboards will also be up for pre-order Navi probably not included in that July 1st date but we actually don't know we just knew about the CPUs yesterday June 10th for the e3 opener which will have further information on all the products and then July 7th for the release date was confirmed by AMD that's what we said in yesterday's content yesterday's content was from AMD but just unofficially so not a surprise that that was confirmed let's get through the cpu specifications that there are a couple of them talked about but the 16 core CPU was not announced we do know that it exists and we know that it will come out but maybe that's something for the June 10th event this is more on what we were saying yesterday where the full product stack won't be revealed today it wasn't there's still a lot more out there that wasn't revealed so we got just a teaser horizon 3000 and then the the rest of the CPU still coming let's get through the specs on what we have so far so rhizomes 3700 X it's an 8 core 16 thread CPU this one is listed currently from the video at 3.8 gigahertz 4.6 gigahertz base and boost the TDP is supposed to be 65 watts there are some comparisons shown versus previous generation AMD CPUs at 105 watts where the 3700 X looks favorable but there's couple caveats there we might talk about later Cinebench performance was shown Cinebench isn't really a tool we particularly like to use but AMD loves to use it for their multi-threaded comparisons ideally we see blender or something like that it's a real use case anybody did end up showing blender for one of the other comparisons later but Cinnabon showed a plus 15 percent uplift in the 3700 X versus the 2700 X single threaded the TDP is supposed to be 65 watts there are some comparisons shown versus previous generation AMD CPUs at 105 watts where the 3700 looks favorable but there's couple caveats there we might talk about later Cinebench performance was shown Cinebench isn't really a tool we particularly like to use but AMD loves to use it for their multi-threaded comparisons ideally we see blender or something like that it's a real use case anybody did end up showing blender for one of the other comparisons later but Cinnabon showed a plus 15 percent uplift in the 3700 X versus the 2700 X single threaded workload now that does not mean that there's 15% increase in for example single threaded or single thread intents of gaming or other application workloads so each application will behave a bit differently temper your expectations as always Cinebench gives us an interesting part of the story but not all of its just make sure your expectations are or not too wide reach in with that 15% number because it could change for games and things like that we do have some gaming numbers though Cinebench also showed an 18% to uplift versus the 2700 acts and multi-threaded workloads so the 3700 experts 27 Rex was the comparison names he made the most I did show performance up there at 105 watts for the previous browser versus 65 watts for the new processor TDP anyway and there's there's a little bit of trickery there because TDP is not necessarily a one-for-one power consumption but also the different things like boost duration will impact how much power is being consumed to actively and we don't know the specs like you said yesterday we don't know the specs on things like boost eration timelines or the power levels that AMD is allowing the CPUs to reach with whatever motherboards they were testing on so a lot of information missing there but we do have some basics $330 for that one the 3800 X is suppose to be a $400 processor that one's a 3.9 gigahertz base 4.5 gigahertz boost CPU it is also 8 core 16 thread and looking at 36 megabytes of total cache for that anyway we don't know the individual l1 l2 l3 so forth so still missing a lot of specifications again I said yesterday 105 watt TDP for that one and then the 3900 X is the 12 core 24 thread part we did not get a 16 core part announcement today again it exists a hundred percent we can confirm that it's just we didn't get the announcement from AMD officially the 3900 X will run 3.8 gigahertz base and 4.6 gigahertz a boost so it is not 5 gigahertz we warned about this several times leading up to the announcement that 5 gigahertz expectations were unrealistic and you would be disappointed if you believe to them you may be able to overclock towards that number but do not expect a 5 gigahertz all core out of the box because it's not happening as AMD has shown today 3.8 and 4.6 though is still at least an uplift over previous generations as for overclocking we can't talk too much about it yet because don't we don't know we don't have the chips in hand but based on and these previous two launches there's typically not a ton of overclocking head room because AMD already bakes in all the performance that they can they push it pretty high against the max clocks but we'll look into that more as the CPS become available for testing it's just that the five gigahertz all core number is one that we don't want people to get too fixated on just wait for the testing before we think about that any further and then 105 watt for TDP as well Sony megabytes of total cache that looked to be three total silicon thighs on the module that dr. Lisa suit all DUP during the presentation and that one is where we saw blender tests versus the 99 20x was the comparison drawn so the 3900 X is priced at $500 and then further information on that we'll just have to wait for the e3 event on on anything special for what's going on io will be interesting for that one memory latency will be interesting for that one but memory latency is something in Andy spent some time talking about during the presentation and it's one of the areas that AMD is pushing the hardest for improvement so that I can specifically as named in the presentation get uplift in gaming performance and memory and latency intensive single threaded workloads so that's something we should be looking at in testing the uplift demonstrated there were some gaming benchmarks shown and the uplift demonstrated was a 3,800 X versus a 2700 X specifically we have some charge from AMD on those so they showed a 34% uplift and csgo 30% in League of Legends 20% pub G 21% overwatch superset dota 2 11% GTA 5 dota 2 is interesting because it is actually a really it just performs significantly better on Intel CPUs that game specifically is much much further ahead in FPS on Intel CPUs on average and our testing so to see uplift there to the extent of 15% is promising for and these improvements this generation versus the last and that was 3800 X 4 2700 who don't have Intel verse a in the gaming performance numbers from this presentation we did get some production workload performance numbers tonight well not really numbers but comparisons of blender and then the there was one more comparison for Navi mixed with risin 3000 versus Nvidia versus until 9000 with a 3d mark PCIe bandwidth test and this one we do want to warn you that if you watch this text out of context or you don't listen carefully to what Andy said during it there were some careful words chosen it is an incredibly misleading demonstration because you have two mismatched system configurations so you're not literally comparing the head-to-head GPGPU CPU CPU you have two different components completely different products see pieces of silicon in there versus each other and the the bigger point of concern is that it's specifically built for PCIe bandwidth testing and that doesn't necessarily and will not translate into a one to one performance uplift for PCIe Gen 4 versus three in gaming we've done these tests in the past with John three with by 16 versus by 8 and you can see the the limited games there first is something like a PCIe bandwidth test that's made to hit the PCIe bus so that is one of the the points of concern is AMD shows a you know they talk about 25 fps on the AMD system vs. 14 FPS on the Intel system and then where it gets a little bit messy is because you're seeing a 20 atti on one and then an Rx 5700 on the other where the 5700 had previously been compared to the RT x 2070 so it's clearly meant to be a 20 70 competitor not a 20 80 TI competitor but because you're seeing the two matched in that test definitely a lot of people are going to walk away saying the RX 5700 is as fast or faster than 20 atti in fact and these showed that in that comparison the PCIe bandwidth uplift was up to 69 percent performance increase from what they were saying that may well be true and the PCIe bandwidth test but please do not walk away from their presentation thinking about an Rx 5700 is going to be 70% faster than an RT X 20 80 TI and something like your average game in workload you will be extremely disappointed because we're not saying the 5,700 won't be good or competitive but 70% please don't expect that that's not happening any company would be happy to get 70% uplift over a flagship in one generation so that's it's not like that anymore there were really really limited pieces of information given on the rx-7 hundred and five thousand series for Navi GP is there's really not a lot to go off of we know that our DNA is the new gaming architecture not a hundred percent clear on how much of it is comprised of GCN which is just completely moving past GCN Andy did use the phrasing we love GCM dot dot but which is normally an indication that they are moving on from it they in AMD noted that it has increased the number of instructions per clock which is not particularly surprising new cache hierarchy not surprising no details on what it is higher bandwidth the details on what it is and AMD also said they want to do more which is not surprising 1.5 X performs per watch not sure what the 1.5 X is multiplying but probably Vega or something like that and then they also showed an RX 5700 again versus 2070 and strains brigade and that was details on the graphic settings used so can't really draw any conclusions there July release date for the RX 5700 and then June 10th once again spoiled by Andy during this part of the presentation for more information on the RX series as for motherboards ace you said it has 30 motherboards coming out 4x 570 which is interesting because it shows an investment by the motherboard manufacturers in the new your eyes and products so first generation Xen you didn't really see that kind of commitment from the mother word makers and now they're seen enough sales volume and Rison that the manufacturers of boards are starting to support AMD more directly so 30 boards from one companies quite a lot 56 motherboards at launch in total and not all 30 of the AC sports will come out at launch but see the ecosystem is much wider now than it was with first gen and second and 1.5 gen and is indicative of improvement in rise ins market share as we've shown in the past as well PCIe gen 4 and X 5 is how many weren't really discussed too much in the presentation but we have information from the from partners of AMD off record and so some of that as we've already said and he didn't notice note this in the keynote unfortunately because it is a detailed spec but PCIe gen 4 lines off the CPU will be 16 to the GPU and then for additional PCIe Gen 4 lanes from the CPU - and I'm - device again what's that's our information collected low we at the show so you'll want to check the motherboard manuals to make sure that I'm not too device lines up with the CPU if you want to use the CPU lanes for it X 570 chipset is all PCIe gem 4 lanes the later chipsets be 550 will be this is again our information not official from AMD so we've this this bait change but it's accurate at present because it comes eventually from AMD b5 that they should be next year and that will have a less of a focus no real focus on Gen 4 so that motherboard manufacturers can cost down thirty two hundred megahertz for dual stick memory support with the CPUs and then again not revealed by Andy so missing information still about 20 667 megahertz for four dimm from our sources at the show general CPU information AMD noted officially two times floating-point capabilities two times cache size reducing memory latency to focus on gaming performance an IBC in Xen to show some uplift beyond what Andy was expecting so that should recap the entirety of the keynote and again we're missing a whole lot unfortunately but it's not that surprising so we'll just have to wait for June 10th for further architectural information beyond that we have a lot of XY so many content coming up at the show so check back subscribe to catch all the motherboard recaps and go to store documents access net supports directly thank you for watching we'll see you all next time