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the prices are $400 for our x-ray gap 56 $500 for our ex mega64 and we think $600 for our x-ray s 64 aqua the liquid cooled version which is a price that's basically derived from the Delta between the one card and then the bundle back speaking of there are bundle packages as well which are your usual discount plus games plus flight increasing price we'll talk about those but the main pricing index is 400 to 5 or 600 depending on what you're looking at we are also covering today the finalised specifications not rumored anymore for rx Vegas 64 and 56 and then we'll further be going into information on architecture in a separate video so we have a separate deeper dive I'm not going to say deep dive because it's not quite as far as I want to go we'll have more for you closer to launch but we will have a deeper dive into Vega architecture in a separate video so subscribe to that if you aren't already but let's dig into our Vegas 56 and 64 for today before getting to that this content is 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in terms of clock Headroom overall in a non-trivial way the bundle pricing so there are three different bundles to talk about that more in a moment but the one for the liquid gold card is $700 so you spend 700 you get the liquid-cooled 64 version and then you get the other items that are thrown in there which we'll get to and so we basically assumed well it's probably $600 because everything else is one step up $100 more for the bundle versus for the standalone card 56 or 64 here's a chart we made of the known specifications for rx make it 56 and 64 the names are indicative of Cu count on each rx Vega 56 has 56 si use or compute units and so has 3584 cores 64 cores per compute unit as always the RX at Vega 64 has 64 si use equating 4096 cores keep in mind that AMD and NVIDIA core accounts are not comparable directly as the architecture is different of usual disclaimer for anyone new here each Cu has 40 m use with andis architecture so a 64 CU rx player card will run 256 TM use while these 5060 you option will run to 2040 m use big attends rendered back-end also allows it to push 64 pixels per clock whereas Polaris 10 did 32 pixels per clock it's a bit of a change to the render back-end which are responsible for Delta color compression and memory and color buffer compression to save power and memory bandwidth and things like that general optimization than performance bandwidth and power the cards also have a 4 megabyte l2 cache and use the same 2048 bit memory interface as the Vega F II card that means that RX Vega is still running to HBM stacks which you saw in our Vega efi coverage except now they are at 4 gigabytes per stack for 8 gigabytes total instead of 16 there's a single graphics engine as well for a CES which we've detailed in the past with our Polaris deep dive last year and 4 of the revamped geometry engines people like to talk about TDP which can be a bit confusing because there's difference between the total GPU power and the total board power tgp is something we independently confirmed at 165 watts for RX vega 56 and 220 watts for the RX vega at 64 model with total board power for the 56 estimated at 210 watts on the reference model and about 290 watts for the RX vega 64 air-cooled model the aqua model has a total board our targets of 350 watts one note here Andy change these numbers a decent bit depending on who you're talking to so there's a chance that other outlets report different numbers maybe of 150 for example instead of 165 but again that's PGP not total board power and we were ultimately told 165 by someone with a fair bit of authority so that's the number we'll go with as for power profile tuning we asked whether the power changes were a result of just tightening the power target versus efi or if actual power performance features were enabled under the hood turns out RX Vega isn't just a matter of restricting power target they're actually doing something for that power optimization and lowering it overall other than maybe the Oracle model we couldn't get explicit examples at this time one thing we do know is that the voltage targets change this is something that can be done through drivers the voltage checks are at different frequencies than f e and voltages we're told should be lower per frequency point we'd also expect that this would align with our findings and the under volting testing on Vega Frontier Edition where power consumption can equalize while improving performance it's still a VFS but it's just a better tuning profile on efi we also asked Andy's architects including Mike Mansoor about whether T SBR was actually disabled in Vega frontier Edition or if it was just a rumor there's a lot of talk about that the official confirmation at least loosely by the architects was that tile-based rasterization was in fact disabled for frontier editions launched which we think mostly aligns with statements made about pushing the card to make it to market in time and the team also noted that T SBR will be enabled on both Vega F II and rx Vega on the launch of rx Vega we asked about expected performance or power consumption improvements but weren't given any specifics at this time so unfortunately we can't quantify how much that change will matter or in which applications it will matter wait for launch on that there will have all that information eventually as for launch date there isn't one yet this appears to have paper launch so we have specifications and pricing but we know that the launch date is sometime in the middle of August one more big thing is the clock so as we know it now rx Vega 64 the reference model will run a base clock of 12 47 megahertz and a boost clock of 1546 megahertz and just as a reminder Vega FB had a targeted booze clock of 1600 but very rarely held that clock without increasing the power budget and you could undervolt things and kind of equalize power plus 15 watts but the point is that rx Vega may be different from Vega Fe where fe e just couldn't hold 1600 what it tended to do out of box and this was on a thermal limit there's a power limit was it would say that DPM 5 or 6 rather than seven there are seven total DPM states now five or six five is 14 40 mega Hertz five of my head and six top of my head is 15 28 megahertz I want to say and so it would sit at one of those two frequencies rather than 1600 because we're hitting a power limit so that's a bit different potentially from RSA because the RX Vega one is a lower clock and two it has some power differences that we'll be talking about as well the architecture overall looks very familiar the specs look very familiar so there's not a lot of new stuff here to learn if you already know Polaris from our 480 d5 that is not to say that Vega is not fresh and interesting it's just to say that if you have a base understanding you can apply it here and you have a pretty good starting point of understanding Vega so that stated a few additional items to note included power saving features we spoke with Andy at this event and learned definitively not rumors as time that specific power Pete saving features of the card were disabled for Vega Fe when it launched and that was to quote get it out the door which is sort of what we said in our coverage they wanted to hit quarter 2 and they did it by about 2 days so they hit quarter 2 but some things were disabled and that makes power consumption look a whole lot higher from what we've been told on those vs. on Vega our X version gaming version a few other items of notes the video card we're showing is the silver model which is a limited edition the main aversion will be black and will have a logo on the fan as you'd expect in addition to that there's a card we didn't talk about the WX Professional Series cars WX 9100 Radeon card and and sort of a long's like that there's a new SSG card which has on video cardboard solid state drives basically for two terabytes of on card storage for large project files and applications like AutoCAD or something similar to that but those are out of scope for today as for the packs the bundles and things like that this is all kind of more marketing side stuff which we don't we don't normally talk about this kind of thing but it is somewhat significant here so just kind of walk through it the packs are there's a black pack a red pack and an aqua pack allows something quite obvious what it is the packs are $600 for Vega 64 aircard with a 200 dollar rebate on a 34 inch ultra wide freesync display and then that also includes a $100 discount on a risin 7 plus X 370 motherboard combo and two games so basically you pay $100 more than the base price for the card you get a $100 rebate on an X 370 plus r7 combo and you get a 200 dollar rebate on a monitor which is a large expense so you better you just kind of consumer advice here I'm not saying it's a bad deal what I'm saying is consumer advice you better want that thing before I told you about this combo to get value out of it if you are in a position where you are trying to use the 200 dollar rebate by adding an expense that was not expected there's a problem but it's not a bad it's actually a pretty good deal if you already want those things it's very wrong r7 x 370 and a freesync display it's a good deal if you did not want them then look at the price without those things it's $100 cheaper and you save $100 of actual cash not rebate our last thing is they include two games which may or may not be of interest to you the games vary by region so we won't specify them here because they will probably change the banana where you live and that is that pretty much wraps it up so $600 for the Vegas 64 version of that air cooled and then there's a another one aqua is $700 liquid-cooled plus the same things the last ones of our ex Bega 56 as a $500 price point they're all $100 offset so discounts are the same for all of them all that stuff and then for the deeper dive architecture stuff check back for that shortly but otherwise this gets you the very basics and hopefully a quick format so thank you for watching as always you can subscribe for more or you can go to gamers Nexus dotnet for the article also important of note the tread Ripper information that we got is not as detailed as our X Vega we're not going to do a standalone video for the thread Ripper news because a lot of its out there already if you want what we already what we already knew plus the new stuff from this weekend because there is some new stuff including one new SKU of thread Ripper that wasn't officially talked up before click the article below it'll all be in there including a recap of this and that'll do it for this one so subscribe for more patreon.com slash can respect ourselves out directly or you can just check us out at c-store gamers and Squarespace comm where we have shirts like this one the new GN anniversary shirt I'll see you all next time you