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hi guys builds lloyd here from actually hardcore overclocking and today we're gonna be taking a look at the asrock x 570 Taichi motherboard so I'm not really sure what the price point is supposed to be for this board but it does look like a pretty solid board so we'll go over it and when it when it comes out you can you know look at this video look at the price decide if this is the board for you before that this video is brought to you by us and the GN store the best way to support our independent reporting is through store gamers nexus net this is made possible with your purchases of merch like our GN medium mod matte in stock and shipping now and designed with GPU teardown diagrams and grids our 100% custom-made two-tone shirt is also a great way to help and it's currently on sale the shirt uses 95% cotton and 5% to last in for a sporty fit with vibrant colors and was designed entirely by the GN team learn more at the link of the description below or go to store documents access net so let's get right into it and we'll start with this because this is the first relatively high index 570 motherboard that I've seen that doesn't have an entirely unnecessary extra a pin fun fact even if you have like the lowest over the the cheapest lowest current spec version of an 8 pin power connector it can still handle 384 watts of power unless you have a risin risin 3016 core you're not getting even close to this amount of power consumption and even on the 16 core like this would very likely be you would only hit that kind of current draw on voltages are that are not safe for long term usage so really not a concern the like so so basically you know the the fact that this board has an 8 pin plus a 4 pin does not make this motherboard any in any way inferior to the motherboards that have to eight pins because you're never gonna need the second 8 pin while okay maybe on liquid nitrogen it might be beneficial to like plug in an extra 4 pin but for daily usage definitely like the boards with a single 8 pin or 8 pin in a 4 pin or a pin and another 8 pin doesn't matter one 8 pin is more than enough especially if your power supply comes in actual like 16 gauge cabling because if the the motherboard uses the high current version of the power connector then one of these connectors that can handle actually well in excess of waltzes you end up with 13 amps per pin pair for the high current term for the high current version of the connector and well at 13 amps per pin pair you can do the math I haven't actually written it down in my but now it's about 13 times 4 times 12 and you're gonna arrive at the the kind of power you can push through one of these 8 pins if your PSU is up to like it is up to the task but um yeah really not a like for daily usage this is just a not a concern on something like X 299 or X 99 or x79 it becomes more of a concern because those CPUs pull far more power than like mainstream Intel or mainstream AMD CPUs but uh yeah here like that the the extra 4 pin even here is unnecessary it's just that I appreciate that we have a you know motherboard where they don't go all the way to 2 full like a whole unnecessary a pin because I think it's just silly and I also leads to like some really dumb comments on the internet which is the main main reason why I cover a lot of things is just like when well I as soon as I don't have to read those comments anymore I'll stop talking about those kinds of things so anyway moving on we have a BIOS flash back button then we have a clear CMOS button back here so this is obviously super handy if you have your motherboard installed in a case like a normal person and not like me I use test benches but if you have your motherboard installed in a case you know obviously having the the clear CMOS button on the rear i/o makes it much more convenient to recover from any kind of major overclocking fails because you don't have to open up the system just to get at the clear CMOS jumpers which you do have or the clear CMOS button there's both here you also get a postcode and a power button and a reset button there's no dual BIOS there's no real like advanced extreme overclocking features on this motherboard so you just kind of get the bare minimum for well not the mayor minimum like this is for an ambient overclocking target a focused motherboard this is more than enough as far as I'm concerned this is not while there's motherboards that are better equipped if you wanted to actually go for like liquid nitrogen overclocking because you you start getting some extra requirements where you run into issues where you know if you clear the BIOS on some other that means you also have to go and pull the whole system up to warm temperatures because you won't be able to post at low temperatures so yeah this board obviously not meant for that but at least you do have the the minimum for sort of you know hit well it's not minimum but the standard for like proper ambient overclocking support the only real complaint I have for the postcode here is that it is under the last PCIe slot which like the tons of boards do this and it's always in my like the postcode should be somewhere where you can see it even if you have all your GPU slot like all of your PCIe slots fully populated right if you put three GPUs on this motherboard or you buy like one of those adult 2's SD cards with a fan in it and you know there's a few of them that are actually quite long it'll end up covering of covering up the postcode and then it's just like well you won't be able to read it so that that won't be very helpful then will it so yeah but anyway we do have those kinds of features here so you know at least they're present even if they're not implemented to my expectations but that's mostly because asrock is actually keeping this motherboard in the standard ATX form factor so there really isn't any space like in the usual area for you know overclocking features there there's just not any space because as Rock decided that they want to have better case compatibility so this board ends right after the ATX screw hole whereas there's a lot of boards that even at this sort of praia suma this sort of price range which actually end up being like this this wide and with some cases that can potentially be an issue so yeah like you know it is a cult-like as far as I'm concerned it's still a compromise that I'm not a fan of but I can kind of understand why they're doing it anyway let's move on to the VR m and the VR M is a 12 plus 2 phase configuration which is actually less phases than what you would get on like an X 470 Taichi or an X 370 Taichi as those were twelve plus four if I remember correctly but uh that really doesn't matter because the plus the the SOC vrm right that power like it is only really a concern if you're running a apu and not a cpu so obviously this board is meant or probably merrily meant four CPUs and it does have an HDMI output so you can run an APU on it if you want to but it like it just doesn't make sense to put an APU and a board like this and then actually use the a GPU of the APU to like render your 3d like games right like that that's the main thing is like if the IGP if you're not actually using the I GPU then the SOC vrm is kind of irrelevant so the SOC vrm really only matters if you're gonna be really pushing an eye GPU so very hot well not even really high clock speeds it's just like if you really want to max out the eye GPU you need a you could benefit from having a more powerful like a higher phase count SOC VRM but like the this board's really not meant for that so I don't really see any issue with with what has rock has done here and in terms of the control scheme for the whole VR I'm we are looking at a is l69 one four seven which is actually a new chip I've not seen this chip used on any other motherboards yet and this is a seven phase voltage controller from Intersil it's AMD specific which is just kind of interesting because most other boards will go with like an IR three five two zero one which works on AMD it also works on Intel this chip is AMD exclusive it does not support the Intel voltage regulator standards at all which might make it a little bit cheaper I guess but anyway so here it is running in a six plus one phase configuration so the method that you know asrock uses to get this 12 12 plus two-phase vrm is of course a array of doublers on the back of the board and we need to wait for GIMP to do its thing otherwise it's gonna be laggy there we go I don't know why it why it's doing that it might be just how did to open for too long but anyway so we have one doubler for the SOC vrm over here and then we got one two three four five and six for the vcore all of these doublers are the same chip so these are all is l6 6 1 7 s from inter silicon and the cool thing about this doubler is that this actually does current balancing so it gets you slightly better efficiency than if you just use a non current balancing doubler because basically these will monitor the current going through each phase and they will extend or shorten PWM pulses depending on which phase is doing more work than the other phase so yeah that's really really cool they also have the option to run as to run both phases synchronized so no doubling whatsoever which it's not really doubling at that point it's like the not really phases it's like run the power stages synchronized so you basically have one phase except with like there's no III can't actually think of a single reason why if you have a six six one seven why you would run it in that mode because it doesn't really achieve anything if you run it like that but if you are running it as a doubler you can also have it as doubler without the current balancing enabled so as a bunch of configuration options it's a it's a far more advanced doubler than what you get with like a IR 3599 which you know the main focus of a 3599 is the fact that it can also quadruple it's not that it's the the best smartest doubler ever created so as far as like doubled 12 phase vrm schemes go this is one of the well basically the the best one that i'm aware of like you can't I can't really think of any doublers that do what these do there's other doublers that will do things like fea pulse skipping to try to regain current balance but nothing that will actually extend and shorten your PWM pulses in order to get proper current balance and like you would if the controller actually supported 12 phases on its own well there's some limits on how much they can extend the pulses but still more better than what you'd get with a lot of the other doublers out there so control scheme in my book is perfectly good here there's nothing to complain about and then for the actual power stages so this whole vrm seems to be kind of a really like bang for buck solution because with the the power stages that Oswalt has opted for they're using si c63 4s from vishay semiconductor and these are 50 amp dr moth's parts and what dr moss stands for is driver mosfet these are as dumb as it gets when it comes to power stages because there's literally all one of these chips is is two MOSFETs and a driver I see and actually it's not even an IC at that one yeah a driver I see so basically they don't do current monitoring they don't do temperature monitoring they don't do anything internally which does make them really really cheap you can get the SI c63 for for like a dollar a piece in bulk actually a little bit less than that but it's round a dollar whereas some of the smarter power stages you're looking at you know two three four even five dollars for something like an is l99 22 seven B and then there's you know the SI c63 for you get a really powerful 50 amp you know is rather powerful at 50 amps current uh current output handling capability but it's also really really cheap because it's a bit dumb note that that's a real issue it's like honestly things like over current protection and over temperature protection being built into the power stage as far as I'm concerned is that it like those are things you need if you're vrm is not quite big enough to power that like is borderline able to power the thing you're powering right if you're vrm is significantly more powerful than the highest power consumption you know you're ever going to be actually running through it then you don't have to worry about an overcurrent event because there's not gonna be one because you're never gonna overload the power stages right like the OCP is there if you exceeded that fifty 50 amp current draw but this is a 12 phase that's 600 amps total current output so you know with the rise in 3000 series CPU you don't need OCP on a power stage like this because you'll never ever get close to that kind of current output in this kind of erm now if there was four of them you know it might be actually useful to have over temperature and overcurrent protection because you'd be running really close to the limits of what these power stages can actually handle but as it is it's just like yeah you've got great efficiency and they're a bit dumb who cares right you can still do like the current monitor the voltage controller still has current monitoring because that like basically what happens when you don't have the current monitoring and temperature monitoring built into the power stage you just have to build your own circuit externally somewhere on the board which isn't as accurate as some of the current monitor systems integrated in some of the latest power stages but it's a lot cheaper so yeah bang for buck kind of erm solution here and the end result in terms of efficiency is that for 1.2 volts out output and 500 kilohertz switching frequency this vrm is going to do a hundred amps output at about 10 watts of heat dissipation then 150 amps output it's gonna do about 16 watts so heat going up to 200 amps output it's gonna do about 24 watts of heat and going up to 300 amps so the the thing is is basically this is the range in which a risin 3000 series CPU might actually run so like the 16 core is probably gonna max out approaching 200 amps a little bit below that with all probability and then if you're looking at like a 12 core or an 8 core you're gonna be looking at 150 amps or lower because in fact like even on a if you took like a 2700 X which up until like the 2700 X is the highest power consumption CPU on am before until we see the 12 core in the 16 core and the 2700 X if you actually ran 150 amps into a 2700 X for an extended period of time would degrade very rapidly so yeah this vrm you know covered like within the normal operating range for risin 3000 series of CPUs like this is more than enough right actually for any rise in CPU you're basically looking at ambient cooling you're gonna be looking at sort of not even the 200 amp range like this is like 16 core only everything else is going to be 150 amps or lower and so there this vrm does really really well right you don't even for even for the 150 amps output this vrm wouldn't necessarily need a heatsink as that's only 16 watts of heat coming off the entire vrm it has a good amount of power stages right it has it takes up a good amount of surface area so it should be able to shed that heat all on its own as like even without a heatsink potentially depending on your case air flow conditions right and of course as Rob does actually ship this board with a heatsink that heat sink actually rather substantial so it doesn't look like the the worst heatsink I've ever seen but uh yeah I don't know maybe the Steve will get a review sample of this board and he'll do a test or somebody else will do a test but on paper that this looks rather solid and in the current range that I would expect a CPU like horizon 3000 series CPU to run at on ambient this board has you covered like it's really not a problem 24 watts does actually need a heatsink but again this is a 12 phase it's spread across a good amount of surface area on its own so it's not as bad as when you have like because there's 24 watts on a like a four phase motherboard which is not that uncommon on a lot of the X 470 boards especially the cheap racks were seventy boards you'd be looking at actually 24 watts at a lower current output as well because this vrm is far more efficient but there you really really need a heatsink cos it's a four phase know you know a 12 so still so basically this is a really solid vrm for just your day-to-day overclocking it's just not the most insane one that we've seen on X 570 so far now going up to 300 amps output which is like ln2 overclocking territory for like 27 I'm not even sure 2700 X can hit that I think it barely scrapes into that like barely does over 250 amps I don't think it even quite reaches 300 amps on liquid nitrogen and then if you're looking at the 16 core I'm not actually sure what that'll hit but it might be able to do 300 or maybe even more than that but this board would not be the ideal selection for that kind of load as it would be producing about 44 watts of heat at that point and that's heatsink and air flow required territory and then going up to 400 amps you'd be looking at about 71 watts of heat and 500 amps about 86 watts of heat so basically you know like in the theoretical range this board is not ideal but for where I assume like obviously as welcoming and like as far as I can tell Ezra intends this board to be sort of like a lower like major it's basically a really mid-range board right it gives you a really good mix of basically everything and yeah they're the vrm is perfectly adequate and really really capable and then it's like of course it's not gonna it's not gonna compete with some of the you know 14 phase of VR M's that we see on like the the flagship x5 70 motherboards so yeah really not about a not a bad VR I'm the as rocks gonna for here I don't really have any complaints it's not the most powerful but it's also definitely not the worst I mean there are like yeah this is a solid of erm there's not much else to it now the SOC vrm uses more of the 50 amp fish ADR Moss components and we're not really gonna talk about the SOC of erm efficiency this this voltage regulator doesn't need to push anywhere near as much power as the V Corps so this is going to be fine this is quite frankly overkill you can build significantly weaker phases and still run an SOC v like still run the system of a system on a chip portion of a rise in CPU just fine so no concerns with that for me and that pretty much covers the the CPU power delivery I mean it's not the best but it's definitely not the worst it's actually you know I think it's kind of the sweet spot for what you want to have in terms of a VR m4 for a Rison 3000 series CPU because you get really really good efficiency in the sort of current range well 200 amps pushing it a little bit but definitely in the sort of reasonable end of the current range this this is really really solid so yeah nothing no complaints from me for for this VR I'm right here considering you know what I assume this board is targeting in terms of its especially like in terms of it's sort of like target audience or whatever I don't know anyway moving on to the memory of erm so asrock is one of the manufacturers that just insists on doing two phase memory power so we have that the MOSFETs are dual n FETs from a Fairchild Semiconductor so those are fdpc 50 30s jeez they're not the best duo line if that's ever created but ddr4 really doesn't pull that much power so it's not an issue the controller for them is a yupi 1647 i meanwe 1674 p and that's a two-phase so this is a real two-phase memory of erm which yeah like there this is more than enough memory power for really anything the main concern with ddr4 is basically what happens between the C key the CPU socket and the memory slots and in that department I mean if we look at the back of the board we can actually see it which right it has to load Mike my daily system is a pile of garbage anyway but if we actually look at the back of the board we can actually can we oh that's interesting I thought this was gonna be a daisy chain board but it looks like they're doing teach apology because you can just about you can just about make out this trace how it goes here and then it goes one back and one there and so there's your there's your teach apology tea right there now that's interesting because as far as I know as rock really likes their daisy chains at least on Zee 390 so I did not think yeah so we can only see this memory channel here and yeah that's a that's another tea right there right you can see that trace comes in doesn't actually connect to anything there's a little Junction and splits like that we can so that's a teat apology that's really really interesting I did not think anybody would run a like even gigabyte has gone to like freakin daisy chain so I thought it was just gonna be everybody doing it now what seems like Al Roker decided they want to be special so well that that doesn't make me wonder so the the thing about the teach apology memory layout because I didn't know this was a teach apology I was convinced this was a daisy chain I'm writing that wrong so t-top so the the thing about the date like the the teach apology layout is it works really well if you're running for sets like four sets of memory well four memory sticks not four sets of memory sticks that doesn't make any sense that'd be like eight memory sticks or something but yeah it works really really well if you actually well it's optimized for fully populated motherboards so I guess this might be a really good board for like for like age in theory this should be really good for like four by eight gigs for by 16 gigs and for by 32 gigs which I guess makes sense cuz uh well no because this isn't the creator board right like asrock has a different motherboard that's like targeted at content creators and it's just like there it makes sense to have support for the biggest baddest amount of memory you could possibly have because the thing is teach apology straight-up sacrifices some memory speed on to 2 by 8 2 by 16 and 2 by 32 configurations so yeah that is that is interesting I really thought that it was a good abuse teaching and then I look at the back and it's like wait what that's a teat apology so yeah basically like the so with teat apology I've already seen somebody do on a good T to apology memory layout like thirty six hundred megahertz across 32 gigs of ram on Rison 2nd gen so with Rison third gen this could actually turn into like making this board really really good for people who want to run you know 32 gigs of ram or like high quantities of memory at relatively high speeds this should work really really well for that because daisy-chain tends to like daisy chain biases towards to dims only so yeah that is that is very interesting though cuz I was like I would have thought gigabytes decided to go daisy chain than I ever thought asrock would do like everybody would at that point because gigabyte is like the only one on x4 70 that runs teat apology actually I wonder if that might not oh man okay and end of like no more tangents yeah so memories uh memory configuration is cheese apology so you like it shouldn't hurt too much on to dims but it's definitely not gonna be ideal on to dims and the difference you can see on to dims with unlike at each apology board is anything from like you can see something like say 4000 megahertz on to dames versus 40 200 megahertz on for dames or 40 40 300 megahertz on Fordham's depending on how the teat apology is implemented on also what the memory controller can do so that example I just gave is from like Z 390 I'm not sure how it works out with the new memory controller on the Rison 3000 series CPUs it might turn out to be absolutely terrible under all circumstances but I'm expecting so yeah that is still interesting so this is a tea topology board and I'm pretty much covers everything I wanted to talk about in this video I mean we've done the we've done the vrm the memory the little various overclocking features so yeah that's it for the video thanks for watching like share subscribe leave any comments questions suggestions down in the comment section below and if you'd like to you know support gamers Nexus you can like support gamers Nexus more direct whatever there's stored gamers Nexus dotnet if you'd like to pick up some gamers Nexus merch and if you'd like to support us directly and don't want to buy anything there's the gamers Nexus patreon so there's links to both down down below the video and those do help out with the channel immensely and if you'd like to see more content from me I have a channel called actually hardcore overclocking where I do overclocking things that's literally all the content on there is just overclocking things so yeah that's it for the video thanks for watching and 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