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hey guys builds lloyd here and today we're gonna be taking a look at a more affordable X 570 motherboard from gigabyte this is the x5 70 horas elite which is pretty much pretty pretty close to like the lot while it's the third from the bottom of their motherboard lineup which I think they only have like six or seven motherboards in total so that doesn't really make much of a difference but uh anyway yeah so we are taking a look at this this is one of the cheaper x5 70 motherboards I am Not sure like I don't know that I can reveal prices yet so yeah but it this this is probably like this board is not aimed well it'll run the 16 core just fine it's just not necessarily aimed at people considering a seven hundred and fifty dollar CPU before that this video is brought to you by Dollar Shave Club and their starter sets get your Dollar Shave Club starter set for five dollars by using our link below available individually for shave shower or oral care or all together in one package the kits 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you're overclocking and people who use gigabyte motherboards know exactly what I'm talking about or have have experienced it and don't even know what's causing it and so yeah but it's super annoying basically you lose all of your settings at random it's it's really not fun so that might be part of why this board like on their higher end boards they still have dual BIOS but they also give you like vial switches on their lower end boards I guess they just kind of decided instead of putting a while switches we'll just throw the BIOS chip out of the extra BIOS chip out completely anyway the board does have a q-flash functionality so you can update the bios of the motherboard without even having a cpu installed which is really useful if you had like it's you know a new if you're buying the board and there's a new cpu out that it doesn't support yet but x5 70 is launching along with the rise in 3000 series lineup so that feature will only really be useful like next year if we see another generation of CPU like another wave of CPUs for the AF for the x5 70 chipset there's no no debug features of any kind anywhere on this motherboard there's no debug LEDs there's no D there's no post code so I mean I the the Speaker I think is still present so you know if you want your motherboard to beep at you you do still have that option but uh you know the the in my opinion more pleasant troubleshooting features are not present on this board because it is you know kind of at the bottom of the of the line up from gigabyte so boards above this actually do do include troubleshooting LEDs this this one doesn't anyway so with that out of the way let's get into the vrm because that is something where I don't really have any complaints because gigabyte has like the the funny thing is if you have like gigabytes am for lineup for say X 470 and B 450 is you have the X you have the X 470 gaming seven which is a really good motherboard and then you have everything under it and that's bad like and I'm not joking about that like they've got the gaming seven and then everything under it is bad in my opinion you should not consider those motherboards but since then gigabyte has done a complete 180 and so even something like the x5 70 a leak right here the Auris elite right here actually has a really solid vrm so you've got a 12 phase V core because like so right off the bat this vrm is more powerful than the v RM you get on the gaming seven the x4 70 gaming 7 so 12 phase V core and a + 2 phase SOC so pretty standard on the SOC VR I'm right here because obviously like this wouldn't necessarily be ideal for like powering an APU if you're into like heavy APU overclocking which I'm a huge fan of it's super fun if you're into overclocking things for the sake of overclocking things bla maxing out ap use is really really fun they scale great but this board is obviously not meant for MATLAB this is meant for more like a 3900 x 39 50 X 3800 X 3700 X right really some of the higher-end Rison third gen CPUs and so it just goes with a two-phase SOC vrm because you don't really need anything more than that for for powering the SOC the voltage controller used is an is l69 one three eight six nine one three eight which is a seven phase voltage controller and a gigabyte is running it in a six plus one phase configuration now this is like the highest end voltage controller that inter-cell makes so it's really really good like like this is the same voltage controller you can see on something like the X 299 OC formula from asrock the X 299 dark from EVGA the X 299 trying to remember it no X 299 there's a bunch of X 2 other X 299 boards that use it I think even from gigabyte it's just that I've not really been paying attention to that sign of their motherboard lineup and then there's the Z 390 dark also uses the ISL 69 1 3 8 so this is a very popular chip for for high-end motherboards because it's it's basically the latest and greatest you can get from inter-cell anyway it's running as a six plus one phase and to achieve the twelve phase configuration for V Corps here gigabyte is of course using a bunch of doublers so you have double are one two three four five and six so these are all Intersil and GIMP is freaking out for like it's been doing this today I don't know why I don't really care so yeah these are all is l66 one sevens and what's special about the is l6 six one seven as a doubler is that it can actually current balance which is not something you get on all doublers so basically what this means is the is l66 1:7 monitors the current going through each of the phases that it's connected to and it will protect like do PWM pulse extensions for whichever phase is handling less current in order to get the current balance more optimal between the two phases the reason why you want this is it will give you slightly better efficiency than if you have a dumb doubler that doesn't do that at all because ideally you want the current spread evenly across all of your phases as well or as evenly as possible so yeah these these actually do that on their own the one downside to running doublers is that you do have slightly well you basically get a bit of delay on your pwm signal which leads to slightly worse transient response though it also depends on how the rest of your vrm is designed is there's other things you can do to try improve the transient response to negate the like the the side effects of running doublers and also depending on how much impact the doublers actually have on your transient response it might not even matter in the grand scheme of things right that that's that's another thing is if you have only a couple millivolts difference between a doubled scheme and a not doubled scheme well you're not gonna notice that because it's 10 millivolts on a transient like that's not something that is CPU really sees on the regular so yeah I'm like I'm a fan of the control scheme like gigabytes going for here it's really like you're not gonna get 12 phases on a motherboard at this price point any other way like the the high phase count voltage controllers from like Infineon the X DP 1 3 to g5 see it's just too damn expensive if you're not gonna use it yeah like even factoring the cost of all the doublers into the cost with along with the cost of the 16913 8 like the new 16 phase controllers from ana neon just cost more than that so yeah that's what's going on with the control scheme for the actual power stages we're looking at si si six three fours from Intersil and these are 50 amp dr moss components so we're go up there because that's all red dr moss this is actually the same power state like so fun fact this is actually basically the exact same vrm that you would get on a as rock x5 70 Tai Chi motherboard except that this uses the ISL 69 1 3 8 whereas asrock is using the ISL 69 1 4 7 there's not really much of a difference between the two the 69 1 4 7 I think is just a little bit cheaper because it's an AMD specific chip though I've not checked that or it might have some new AMD features on it because like this is a chip that's been around for a while and it does evidently support AMD's voltage regulator standard because gigabyte is using it on an AMD motherboard it's just that yeah as rock is using a like variant like a very similar chip to this that doesn't work on Intel like that's the biggest difference with the six nine one four seven is six nine yeah one four seven is that yeah that one doesn't work on Intel this one works on both Intel and AMD not really a huge difference but on the Taichi you get those in power stages you get the same phase count you get the same doublers so except I'm not sure what the Taichi costs compared to this board so that's kind of yeah so like that this could potentially be like VR my is this is potentially really good good value for life good really good performance for the for the cost of the board so anyway let's take a look at the VR I'm efficiency here since oh and I forgot to mention so dr moss stands for driver MOSFET these are dumb so there are a type of power stage they're like the dumbest type of power stage you can have the oldest power stage standard if I'm not mistaken because they're literally just a driver I see along with a two sets two MOSFETs which is like the bare minimum you need to build a power stage and I call them dumb because if you look at a lot of other power stages they'll include things like current monitoring or temperature monitoring and then if you've got the really smart power stages they'll not only monitor the current they'll also shut down when the current gets too high for Satan's a safe long-term operation and that kind of so you'll have like over current protection and protected like other protections built into the actual power stages themselves directly whereas with these I mean like you have to implement your current monitoring as an extra circuit you need to implement your temperature monitoring as another external just component somewhere right so yeah that's that's the difference between dr moss and something like a pow ir stage from international rectifier or a smart power stage which is the new Intel voltage regulator standard which includes a whole bunch of like extra monitoring requirements which dr moss is also an intel voltage regulator standard if I'm not mistaken like from like 2004 or something so it is really old anyway so for operating parameters of 1.2 volts out and 300 kilohertz switching frequency along with 5 volts drive because that is what these power stages run on we're gonna be looking at the following kind of heat output from the vrm for the current outputs so at a hundred amps current output this vrm will produce about 10 watts of heat which the quite frankly you shouldn't even need a heatsink for that then for a hundred 50 amps output it'll produce about 16 watts of heat which at this point i heatsink is necessary is probably we're probably a good idea but you don't need like air flow or anything this is a roughly around the current draw that you would expect from a maxed out 12 Corizon running like prime95 so p95 then going up to 200 amps which is well at 200 amps this V r1 will produce about 24 watts of heat at and this is the current draw that like the 16 core completely maxed out would pull in prime95 so that's max down as an overclock to not as in stock settings running prime95 because if you're running stock settings if you're running prime95 on stock settings and it'll throttle down to somewhere around 100 amp the year maybe maybe below that maybe slightly above that but it won't be anywhere near 200 amps so yeah at stock you probably wouldn't need a vrm heatsink whatsoever at you know heavy overclocks on the 12 core 16 core this vrm will handle that just fine with the heatsink that it comes with even though they do have this lovely air flow restrictor right right next to the next to the VR I mean sink like it does well if you look up photos of the motherboard then the heatsink look something like that and it's it's it's substantial it's not the highest surface area heatsink I've ever seen but at the same time this is also quite the like this is a pretty efficient vrm and it's not like you have all 12 phases dumping all of their heat into the heatsink right here you have three phases up here that also put heat into the heatsink on the top edge of the motherboard and that just reduces the amount of work that this heatsink has to do in terms of cooling so yeah I don't like this honestly like if like this VR room is great honestly it's you don't need anything more powerful than this if you'd ask me you know the board even has the single eye pin like the only thing I would really complain about on this motherboard is that yeah it's single BIOS there's no postcode there's no troubleshooting at it ladies those are like my main complaints for this motherboard the vrm right here like as I said gigabyte did a 180 it's just like it used to be that they had some of the very worst designs and now it's like well this this right here you've got a you know like again well I can't I'm not sure I can share the price point but uh like that for the price out of the boards that I've seen this looks really good so yeah like as far as I'm concerned that this is great anyway going up into unreasonable current draw levels like 300 amps which would be like saying liquid nitrogen overclocking on the 16 core or something which I wouldn't recommend this motherboard for because like the the big thing is when we are like the no postcode no no debug LEDs but there's also going to be things missing that are actually important for extreme overclocking like some of the minor voltage rails that you have to tune for cold boot bugs and cold bugs and better overclocking on liquid nitrogen there's like a whole bunch of weird stuff that happens when you take silicon really cold that you need to compensate for with extra voltage and voltage in areas of the CPU that normally don't scale with voltage at all like this board is not going to have those so you know this is purely a theoretical thing but just to give you an idea of how good the RM is so 300 amps output this vrm would produce about 44 watts of heat which that is actually a lot of heat and you do like this depends on how good your heating system is and also how much airflow it's getting so yeah the board's obviously not designed for this if you look at what what it's the the actual heat sink side it comes with like you'd need to get a pretty high rpm fan sitting over the vrm for this to be viable for long term loads but at the same time as I just said like the 16 core is gonna max out at around 200 amps so that's not really something you need to worry about and then going up to 400 amps it's just I'm comparing like the thing is for a lot of the other more ridiculous x5 70 motherboards this is actually a totally doable current output like no problem so going up to 400 amps that's where I think this motherboard just yeah like that's not like at this point you're talking like custom water cooling for the vrm to keep it at acceptable temperatures and going all the way up to 500 amps eighty-six watts of heat better water cool actually water cooling is so ridiculously overpowered that it like it would probably take care of these two the same about equally well like you wouldn't really know it's as much of a temperature difference between 71 watts and 86 watts depending on how much surface area you're vrm water block has but yeah it's like this is obviously not what the board is designed for so for current and draws we're risin would actually run this vrm is absolutely great like you can't it's free you get a 12 phase you got your 50 MDR Maus like what more could you really want well what more could you really need I mean you could get international rectifier which might have some well Intersil technically supports everything IR supports it's just like I don't know how well it's implemented by the board vendors so I'd be very surprised if you notice two major difference between overclocking between this board and some of the higher end boards just from the vrm standpoint what you would notice is like oh the other boards have a postcode which if you're doing memory overclocking is super nice to have because it helps you troubleshoot a lot of boot up errors whereas this doesn't really have anything but yeah like vrm wise I mean you know if gigabyte took this vrm and stuck with it all the way through their entire lineup I still wouldn't really complain about it it's just that they decided for the higher-end boards they're the they're gonna go with even slightly better designs now then for the capacitors gigabyte is using a bunch of a pack capacitors which are really popular with both gigabyte and asus for their lower end boards this is a Taiwanese capacitor manufacturer and these are all aluminum polymers so these inherently just last for kind of forever they don't like unlike say liquid electrolyte aluminum capacitors these don't blow up because there's no liquid in them to like expand so you know these last for ages the main main thing with them is that over time as they degrade they basically fail open so it acts like there's no capacitors but that takes many many years and these are still rated for 5000 hours at a hundred five degrees Celsius so you know I wouldn't like it's not Japanese capacitors but I wouldn't stress out about this because like these are fine also this vrm won't run hot enough that the temperature rating of the capacitor should really be much of a concern anyway especially if you're not if you're not on like a 12 core something this v arm is gonna be running ice-cold so yeah it's like at that point you know the capacitors really will last way way longer because they're gonna be just running so much cooler and we have the same on the back here we do have only a single light pin which is fine because a single eight pin can handle 384 waltz motherboards with more than like there's a bunch of low end motherboards with like an 8 pin and a 4 pin that does not make them better because a single 8 pin can already completely well you know one point well okay it's not gonna be one point two volts for that 200 amp figure but you're not hitting 384 watts on a Rison 16 core on prime not even on prime95 with like water cooling okay maybe own liquid nitrogen this might be a problem but for day-to-day overclocking this is this is perfectly fine I have no complaints there and then the SOC vrm we're looking at at a so this is the only place where I really would complain about the vrm but the thing is this does only like if you're running or the seat like this is real this boards meant for CPUs not ap use right like why would you pair a mother an x5 70 board which is rather expensive with an ape you so yeah this is like the only place where I could say like yeah gigabytes not going with top-of-the-line of erm components because they're just going with the usual so they have a high side MOSFET just discrete MOSFETs and these are gigabytes favourite and these are MOSFETs that I rip on a lot in some of my videos because they are they're not great the thing is is like you don't need a great MOSFET if you don't have to handle any power right like you need to you need to choose your components to fit the job not like you're not gonna use a 70 M freaking power stage for memory power because that's a waste of 70 M power stages ddr4 doesn't mean that much current capability anyway so you have a four-seat n n from on semiconductor for the high side and a 4c 0 6 and for the low side there's another highside and low-side MOSFET on the back of the board which is done for just basically better current handling because yeah so you have a high side here and another high side there in another low side there and another low side there so this does actually increase the current capability of each of the phases and this is perfectly fine for just powering the CPUs which is what this board is going to be doing with this SOC VR well for powering the SOC of the various CPUs so yeah that's what's going on with that the memory topology is a daisy-chain so gigabyte is going with daisy chain for their entire x 517 motherboard lineup i am not sure how it will support so daisy chain biases towards two times eight configurations so this will generally give you and like the thing is two times eight is generally the most overclockable configuration regardless of like well no t topology will often run better on four by eight depending on how good the memory controller of the cpu is as well but uh 2 by 8 is what's optimal for this mother like definitely where you're gonna hit the highest speeds with this motherboard and that would be on this dim slaw and that dim slop because of the way daisy chain works because it basically hits one slaw and then the next you can actually see that on the back of the board but i've shown that in other videos so you know I'm not gonna go go over that for higher density capacities a 2 by 16 single rank my actual should also well higher capacities are a big no idea for me because I know for a fact that already on X 470 daisy-chain boards can do thirty two hundred megahertz on a four by eight just fine they can also do thirty two hundred on two by 16 so the with with risin three thousand I don't know how the memory controller is improved I don't know how the biases of the motherboards have improved so there's a good chance that you know two by sixteen and a four by eight might have very little difference between them or two by 16 is just vastly superior or two by sixteen is terrible because the dims are all like the two by sixteen dual rank could be terrible while 2 by 16 single rank could be amazing really depends on too many factors to really make a judgement for higher capacities I would say you'd have to wait for like motherboard QV owls to basically come out because the board vendors they do do do do a lot of memory testing and so I would just check the QV L's for what kind of memory configurations they've tested and if you see and then sort of try pick and choose a memory kit based on that you don't need to choose an exact qvl memory kit most of the time you just need to pick something that's similar to what they've already tested and validated as working so yeah 2 by 16 I'd like I'm not sure if it's gonna be better than 2 4 by 8 and then if you're going up for like 64 gigs of RAM I'd say 2 by 32 is a pretty good bet to be better than four by sixteen because four by sixteen just well it could run into the same issue as a two by 16 versus four by eight depending on which memory icees you're looking at and then 4 by 32 you can just kind of forget about memory clock speed because that's just way too much damn RAM memory controllers gonna hate you for that anyway so that's kind of the memory overclocking here the memory vrm is just the usual gigabyte standard RT 8 120 with a high side low side and low side MOSFET so this is a single-phase memory of erm right here this works fine they use the same vrm all the way up to the x5 70 extreme because ddr4 doesn't really pull enough power and it really is much more about what you do with your memory trace layout than it is about what you do with your memory VR I'm over here like a good single phase can you know do plenty in terms ddr4 overclocking because ddr4 just doesn't pull that much power on the other hand you can have a 3-phase memory vrm and if your trace layout is crap the whole motherboards memory overclocking capabilities are also going to be crap so yeah I'm not gonna complain about this and this is if I this is just more for c10 and MOSFETs from on semiconductor which again it's fine like ddr4 doesn't pull that much power there's definitely gonna be some motherboards where the ddr VR ddr4 vrm might run a little bit cooler but this is not gonna overheat either like this is really not an issue so yeah it's not the most efficient it's just like it's gonna be a couple degrees you don't need to worry about it quite frankly I don't know why I even cover this vrm I should just consider it like I should just consider it the same way I consider the chipset vrm irrelevant it's like it doesn't do anything for overclocking anyway but yeah so yeah that's the that's the x5 70 horas elite from gigabyte you get like it's a really barren motherboard in terms of like sort of features right you get your hue flash you get a single BIOS chip you don't really get any troubleshooting features on the board you get you know the bare minimum of the PCIe slots that x57 to really support so you have your one x16 right here from the cpu and then you have your 1 X 4 from the chipset so that goes over there this goes over there yeah that's that's really all there is to the board but you do get a really solid vrm and it is you know one of the cheaper x5 70 motherboards out there so I was gonna be a really really solid option especially if like the like if you don't care about having like I personally would find the post code basically a deal-breaker or the lack of any troubleshooting LEDs a deal-breaker but uh yeah you know if you don't care about that kind of thing this this is a really really solid motherboard and yeah at least in terms of like the VR I'm in terms of features you'll have to decide for yourself so that's it for the video thank you for watching like share subscribe leave any comments questions suggestions down in the comment section below and if you'd like to support gamers Nexus then you can support us direct through patreon uh or you can buy gamers Nexus March on store gamers Nexus dotnet you know there's like what is their shirts mod mats that kind of thing yeah and that obviously helps out immensely with the channel so yeah and one last thing I wanted to mention is I have a 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