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hey Ron I'm Steve from gamers Nexis dotnet and we're on episode 10 of ask GN so thank you for your continued questions in the comments as always questions below in the comment section if you want something included in the next video going forward I am only reading questions in these comment sections for inclusion and ask gee I'm still reading all the other comments as allowed by time and things like that but this is where I'm checking for questions in the future so we are on Episode time I made it to double digits and for this episode we're doing all overclocking questions I think there's maybe one that's not necessarily overclocking but they're basically all overclocking so we've got a bit of a theme here the first question for this week's episode comes from Lord Inquisitor who says I have a question about a certain motherboard feature I have 5820k in the BIOS it says I can choose between three options like three point six three point nine and a four point two gigahertz and I know it's a pre overclock feature but is it good if I choose four point two and leave it there so this question is pertaining to or addressing the existence of instant overclock and easy overclock features a lot of motherboards have these now some of them have a physical button on the board itself so you can just normally next to the power button on MSI and I think it's gigabyte also has on a couple other manufacturers might have them there's a button you push it and it instantly checks your CPU skew it checks a table frequency versus voltage and then it applies that setting depending on how aggressive the overclock is that you are seeking so the thing with these solutions and you can do it through BIOS or UEFI as well by just choosing overclock and it'll do it the fate of these solutions is they are very one-size-fits-all so you lose a lot of the fine-tuning and that can be a problem for the longevity of the CPU and to sort of explain why it's important to understand how overclocking works at a top level so the very basics of it you have a few things on a CPU you have the frequency so in this case maybe you say it's 3.6 gigahertz stock let's just make that number up 3.6 gigahertz stock CP you you have multipliers for at least for Intel and Andy as well yeah there's different overclocking settings for each manufacturer each motherboard but you have the frequency in the multipliers the multiplier times the base clock derives the frequency so if you have a base clock of 100 megahertz which is what most Intel CPUs are AMD is a bit different but so you have a hundred megahertz base clock and then you have a thirty-six multiplier so 100 times 36 is 3.6 gigahertz in this instance so that's how you get your frequency that is what that is derived from and then the stability is a result of your voltage setting so as the frequency increases your CPU is increasing and how many times it oscillates per second so this is measured in the billions of oscillations or cycles per second and that number as it grows as you increase the multiplier or the base clock it will make the CPU become volatile so it's less stable to improve stability you need to send more voltage to the CPU or more power generally so as you increase the voltage you'll see that a couple of things chained one it gets hotter - it should get more stable and three over a long period of time depending on what the voltage is it can actually decrease the lifespan of the CPU or the GPU so here's the thing though a lot of the time the detriment to the lifespan is not going to be that noticeable unless you're sort of an extreme overclock or if you're going crazy with it yeah you're gonna kill your CPU a lot faster but for a moderate overclock you're probably gonna replace the system before the usable life of the the CPU expires anyway so with that understood answering the question directly I it's not bad I guess to set a pre overclock I would recommend against it my advice would be to just take the time it normally doesn't take that long maybe set aside an hour and just play with the overclock and try and figure it out so you want to start by looking for guides and this is one of the other questions a bit further down but you look for guides online we've written a few overclock net is fantastic and has really good guys that I reference a lot of the time as well so you look for a guide but generally you're gonna just increase the multiplier and then see how the CPU responds as you start hitting instability you increase the voltage and just try not to go over a certain voltage depending on what the CPU is normally one point three to one point four volts on Intel is kind of my max I don't like going higher than that but there it's different for every CPU and AMD especially is different so hopefully that helps there to very briefly sum it up I would say just just do it yourself if you are gonna do a pre overclock be aware that it will more aggressively push the voltage so you might be shortening your CPU lifespan and the very least you're gonna be running a lot hotter than necessary and that's just because they want to make sure that the overclock applies they don't want to give you a pre overclock feature that doesn't work so that's where that comes from the next question is from Federico Romero he says do you recommend software overclocking apps like Asus five-way gigabytes ez tune etc they change more than just voltage and multiplier question mark thanks for QA videos that are helpful so overclocking applications depend what you're doing are necessary for example GPU overclocking you need something like afterburner or EVGA precision or something similar to that overdrive otherwise you just can't even overclock so it depends on what you're asking but per CPU overclock and I do it all through UEFI so I prefer to do it through pre-boot environments and the same thing applies I just said a second ago if you do it all through you if I manually you're gonna get a stable overclock takes a bit more time but it's not gonna beat up the CPU as much as some of the more aggressive pre tuned overclock applications or buttons on motherboards things like that but depending on what you're doing the software is actually pretty good so some of it like afterburner for GPUs it allows you to set custom fan curves it allows you to do the frequency overclocking on the core clock the memory clock and you can even do some troubleshooting features so all that's very good especially the login utility and this is something that is actually useful in the CPU overclocking applications as well as if they have logging options or some of them do in the settings then use that turn it on and you can see at what point is your voltage or frequency or whatever becoming unstable what point is it threatening the stability of the system so the reason that these applications can exist these days and they didn't used to exist before is because of UEFI and we have a video on this coming out at some point in the future but UEFI is effectively a replacement for standard bios and it's able to communicate directly with a host so it's a still low level firmware device but it can communicate communicate excuse me had a higher level with the host which is your OS so now your pre boot environment effectively can communicate with the operating system and that allows you to pass through overclocks and boot boot orders changes and fan speed changes and things like that from the OS straight to UEFI which was not possible before was just the basic input/output system that used to exist on firmware before UEFI was developed as a new standard so that's that's kind of cool I would still do it through UEFI though or BIOS as you can call it and except for GPUs because with GPUs you need some kind of application moving on Daniel Worthy asks let's see will an i5 4690k burn out and an MSI P 33 V 2 motherboard it's not very high-end motherboard it has like two plus one power to the CPU should I down clock the CPU try to get the voltage down so I guess if you're asking this question I'm I'm under the assumption that you already own the 4690k otherwise it doesn't really make a lot of sense to buy those two components together I I would get a better motherboard because with this CPU a 4690k or similar you're you're really gonna be sort of limiting yourself with low and mother because you'll either you're gonna have stability issues that's for sure and with the limited power phase you're certainly not gonna have any turbo or OC Headroom and you're not gonna have OC ability anyway so I would move towards a Z series higher-end motherboard strongly encourage that if for no other reason than the power delivery will be cleaner because it will have more phases so you'll get more stability and you really don't want a down clock a good CPU just to fit a cheap motherboard trying to if it's possible if it's within budget it makes more sense to spend even at the low end $85 on a better board like the PC mate I think is about 85 bucks and then just work with that instead so that's that's kind of where I would go with it that's a very weird combination of components to have a high-end CPU mixed with cheap motherboard but I you can try it just be aware that your motherboard will probably exhibit some instability and you might burn out some of the power components as as you continue to use the device next question is a mere mock mood he says hi Steve I have a 4790k running at 4.7 gigahertz and 1.3 volts would you recommend disabling SPID support and for those who don't know SP idea this is a pretty good question SPID support is basically on the fly voltage adjustments so it will allow for more stable overclocks by regulating your voltage actively which means if you set one point three volts in UEFI but you have SV ID on and maybe the CPU decides it wants one point three to five for an instant in time then SP ID will allow that to change so you're not sitting at a fixed voltage now this allows you to get a couple more X's out of your multipliers so you might be able to push it a few times higher on the frequency because you've got that sv ID regulation to change the voltage on the fly but generally I would recommend disabling it and then doing more manual tuning so if you can spend the time to dial it in it is again going to be a better overclock in the long run but that does require a bit more time than just a standard overclock with SPID on because now you've got to go in you have to do a lot more burnin tests and those take time obviously and then you have to change the voltage every time it fails to try and find the correct voltage so generally if you can find a bit of time on a Saturday or something I would recommend yeah turn it off see what you can achieve and if it's too much struggle if you can't get a stable clock then just put it back on no big deal no big loss but you will get a bit more out of your overclock to be disabled it just kind of depends on what your time investment is there it's not a terrible feature it just again will sort of aggressively tune the voltage sometimes when it doesn't have to and that gives you stability but it it's it kind of threatens the the CPU in terms of heat and stuff like that as well so double-edged sword as with most overclocking features that assist in overclocking and the final question for this week is from Ryan's inter who says hey Steve of the site in channel thank you my question is this I've watched tons of videos about overclocking but I've never been able to achieve a stable overclock I'm using an AMD 8350 on a 990 x motherboard and I'm wanting to upgrade soon but if I get more performance out of the chip I can put off upgrading and then the question is where's a good step-by-step guide overclocking this chip sorry if it sounds noobish definitely does not sound noobish so of course we do run a lot of guides I write a couple guides but I've got to give it up to overclocked dotnet here so OCN is what they're called overclocked on that has some of the best overclocking guides I've seen we don't really go as deep as them because that's more their thing overclocking is something that I'm interested in that the readers are interested and obviously but we don't go as hard on the information as they do so that is something I want to change in the future it's just a staffing limitation but I would recommend them we don't have a guide on the 8350 and probably will not make one at this point so I'm don't don't wait up for me basically but I can give you some basics here so first of all the 990 FX board the 990 FX chipset is what you want 990 any effects are both good for overclocking so you're in a good place there in terms of hardware 8350 is a pretty good overclocker I'm not sure what your cooler is but you'll want to make sure that you have a decent cooler on there of course to sustain the thermals that it outputs because the AMD chips do run a bit hotter than some of the Intel chips competitive the same price competing the Intel chips and then I same sort of thin you're gonna need to look up the guide and then pay attention to the features that they recommend you disable so I'm not sure off the top of my head with those are going to be for this particular board and CPU but there's normally features you want to disable like with Intel SP ID and stuff like that and you disable those normally so that there's less power saving going on so with overclocking you want to turn off a lot of power saving features and that's because when you apply the overclock if the CPU is sitting there fighting you because it thinks there's not enough load for this high frequency it's going to down clock you and try and save power so you disable those as recommended disable the live voltage modification by the board or by the low-level firmware and stuff like that and then manually start tuning in these case especially the base clock and the multipliers and then you adjust voltage as you find points of instability but do check OCN I recommend them quite a bit there's another one to overclockers so there's overclock net and then there's overclockers both are good sites that is where I would start if you do struggle with this any of you for that matter post below and I'll research it myself for next video or the one after that and try and give you some input based on what the holdup point is so that is all for episode 10 of sgn as always thanks a lot for watching and thank you for your great questions this is a pretty good flow we got going here and it's easy content for us to produce but really fun to produce so that is a big plus because it is often the case that I bottleneck the operation these days because I'm working on the the benchmarks and speaking of benchmarks we have a couple coming up particularly fallout 4 and then probably call duty black ops 3 not 100% positive on that but I we will be looking at that and then battlefront will be revisited once that's fully out so that is all for this episode check back regularly because the videos are more frequent now and hit that patreon link in the post roll video down there if you want to help us out big thanks to those of you who have I will see you all next time