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Ask GN 20: RX 490, UEFI vs. Legacy, & Liquid Lifespan

2016-06-17
hey Ron are back for another episode of ask GN as always there are a lot of good questions last week won't be getting to all of them but if you have questions that weren't asked or we're asked and we skip to post them below I'll try and hit it for the next episode getting started here first off the question of notes from the the first viewer is about AMD in their new RX series this is actually pretty topical right now Don joe says hey steve md said in there are x 480 presentation that polaris 10 / 11 will feature cards with the price range of 100 to 300 dollars since the RX 480 is 199 to two hundred thirty dollars do you think the three hundred dollar card is the 490 do you think you can challenge gtx 1070 or could it possibly be better so first of all just because the range is one hundreds of 300 I don't think that means there has to be a three-hundred-dollar card now that's not saying there isn't or won't be one but i think that's plain to the marketing language of we're making something that's 230 or two hundred fifty dollars and trying to keep it at a cleaner number now that said the 490 certainly could exist I don't have any inclination what it would be right now from any official sources I'm sure there's rumors out there I try not to to buy into those too much because one if the rumors are accurate and legitimate it means that they've been leaked past NDA's and that's bad for everybody or to their complete BS and made up so I don't know anything about the 490 if it does exist I I really I have no good speculation for you about the three out of dollar range now that said I do think that part of the the 300 number is just to include the 8 gigabyte model the RX for 80 notes that maybe this is something useful for you Polaris is not meant to be a high-end competitor Andy is not trying to release a halo product which basically means a flagship product with Polaris there reserving that for Vega or viga and Polaris is really just targeting power efficiency and affordability that's all they're going for with Swan they are targeting laptops as you'll see in our recent news video we did from the e3 announcement but none of these things are really getting heavily pushed towards a fury ex equivalent or for 90 x or 3 90 x equivalents or anything like that so I would not expect a high end GPU to ship with Polaris or a big Polaris chip to exist it just it's not what they built the architecture for and we'll have more information for you that on that as the review embargoes lift I'm sure next question is Charlie waffles who says not sure if this has been asked before but how likely are these clothes that loop corsair water coolers to leak what's their average lifespan so the first of all liquid coolers we did a video about this you can search the channel for who makes your liquid coolers I think so liquid coolers the ones by Corsair by NZXT thermaltake in almost every single instance the actual maker of the liquid cooler is someone like ASA tech or cool it cool I tea or Swift tech or someone like that aqua tuning so there's the actual suppliers of the liquid that means that Coursera NZXT for instance actually use the same supplier and the same model and the same unit all the way down to almost everything is up for tube length for the most part in some of their liquid cooling products so what I'm saying here for corsair and their summits on their product line will apply to other folks who use the same supplier the one that I know if the top of my head is a Sutekh ASA text liquid coolers that coarser uses and that NZXT uses currently anyway are rated for about five years of use or five years of existence anyway I'm not sure how they do if you were to buy one keep it on a shelf for five years but five years of use certainly after that point it's actually it's not leakage that you're worried about the the question here very specifically says do they leak or how likely are they to leak it's not that they start leaking or they shouldn't anyway if they you need to call on the warranty what happens is the liquid actually starts sort of permeating the tubes depending on that there's different types of tubes so there's some tubes that are more rigid and plasticky like the ones used on the fury X there's tubes that are more rubbery like the ones that ace attack uses and a lot of their active coolers that are out there and so depending on that material there's a different type of will call it entropy of the liquid just for sake of ease so in the case of these rubber tubes what'll generally happen is over the period of five years the liquid will start permeating that rubber or that material and so now you've introduced some air to the system the pump has to work harder to push the Sam out of liquid it'll be less efficient at coulon there's less liquid so that means that there's it generally will have a higher temperature the liquid temperature itself will be higher that means your components get warm or so you keep an eye on the component temperature and that will give you a good indication of life span but the answer is about five years for liquid so if you're building something that you want to kind of put in a closet and access in 10 years I would suggest an air cooler just because those don't really fail and the fans if you put it away the barians will probably still be fine so that's hopefully that answers most of that they're just plenty more to it but that's that's the basics next question I want to keep this one short is from cyborg in 1994 who asks how accurate is PZ part Pickers wat amount on a part list how close to the water mount can I get away with I actually don't use pc part picker because I don't need to but I will say I can't comment on how accurate their what reading is but generally what you can do and this is the best way to stay up to date on this stuff is look at reviews of really just the GPU and the CPU that you're planning to buy the rest of the components are pretty inconsequential with their wat draw look at those two components specifically and find reviews where they've done power testing we do power tests and almost every review we we publish now and that will give you an idea for total system power when using that component and then you can look at Delta values so you can look at device a versus device be so for example GTX 1070 versus a 1080 which I'm pleasing because they just came out and you can see the Delta between those is maybe I think in our test it was a I'll top my head it was something like 30 watts which is about right so you see a 30 watt difference that'll help you figure out if you need more wattage in your power supply now to answer the question well also actually just a quick throwing we did a big how many watts do you actually need article it's pretty lon it's got a lot of specific systems and component configurations tested so you can find out how many watts you do need in that article and then kind of extrapolate from there based on your components because I'm sure we didn't pick the exact thing that you're building but that said how close can you get away with in terms of actual wattage amount generally you will actually almost always you'll be at peak efficiency with the power supply at fifty percent load so if your load is 500 Watts you'll want something like a thousand watt power supply to be a peak efficiency but that might be a peak load scenario so how often will you actually be at 500 watts and the answer is normally not very often so for things like gaming you'll tend to be at a slightly lower than the total system power consumption possible just because gaming isn't the most intensive thin that can happen if you were to do something like transcode a video and transcode or compile software or something like that simultaneously you basically had one hundred percent load in such an instance and if you're doing that regularly you would want to account for that in your power supply selection but generally fifty percent will keep you towards the peak efficiency of the power supply you can certainly push higher than that I tend to saturate my power supplies at eighty percent went under peak load but I also know that my system is almost never under peak load so for normal use I'm sitting at fifty percent or less for idle and the closer you push that one hundred percent capacity the more likely you are to have things like voltage droop or excessive heat that cause death of the power supply or other components capacitors can blow things like that but that should hopefully give you a basic guideline check out our article the how many watts do you need article that will give you more information next question is we've got a couple here nacho chips is question i'm looking to buy a cpu cooler and ditch my stock intel cooler i want to test the temps on stock and then on the aftermarket cooler which stress test program do you suggest this is benchmarking this is what we do there's a couple of them prime95 is really good but i know there were some issues with Sky lake I have not seen them lately I don't know if they were completely resolved by the microcode update that Intel pushed but prime95 with the large FFTs you'll see a pop-up and ask you let's use use large f of tease that will load the CPU almost exclusively and that'll put it under an upload to generate heat and and create your high heat scenario then for measuring you can use a 264 free edition you can use the twenty-dollar engineer addition you can use speed fan mostly accurate and hardware monitor plus those are all options are monitoring the temperature if prime95 isn't working for you because of some reason microcode or whatever you could also use 3d mark and just kind of run it at a really high setting and put it on the cpu test the physics test that will load the cpu almost exclusively and that would be a good generation of sort of a more semi real world but still synthetic load for for temperature testing there are other options as well those are the 2i would look at four basic testing next question Colton Parker can you explain UEFI and legacy I install the new hard drive in my system and there was a problem with it so I went on forums and bunch people said enable a disabled UEFI or legacy so first of all legacy refers to bio space can put out this output system UEFI you serve to bios bios is really when people say the combined turn UEFI bios its kind of left over from ages past there is no really more bios the way it used to be it's all UEFI now UEFI is some console interface basically it's a type of firmware that can more directly communicate with your app your OS layer so UEFI is capable talking to windows where BIOS could not and that's where you get programs like AI suite or something like that where you can tune the CPU from within windows that wasn't possible with just bios so that's the difference between them in that regard and the regard that you're asking which is boot order I have a couple notes here just kind of make sure I address every key point quickly so first of all bios a legacy after post which is the power-on self-test that's when all the devices are enumerated and post and tells you what's working what's not and does error beeps if there is an error after post the legacy version will check each device in the boot order in order that you've configured and see which devices are bootable and which have an MBR present Master Boot Record the Master Boot Record has a lot of limitations one is that the maximum capacity is is two terabytes for a partition so you don't want that if you're using larger drives which a lot of people are now another issue is UEFI can have multiple boot loaders so if you've ever seen a screen pop up windows 8 on word that says you have multiple windows installations which do you want to boot to that happens because of you UEFI which uses the GPT which is a GUI d partition table rather than MBR Master Boot Record so it enumerates multiple OS is a lot cleaner makes it easier to do multi installs and boots generally you will want to install every new system with UEFI mode selected first do that before you install your OS you've already installed your OS you need to select the one that it was configured with otherwise it just won't work because the MBR versus GPT a disparity between them so I think that answers that the last question for there's a couple others I do want to address what we'll do it next time last question for today you kept flashing that big red button this is from the last video what should I have done with it again so you've already forgotten please subscribe if you like this content thank you for watching patreon link patrol video to help us out directly I'll see you all next time
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