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hey everyone i'm steve from gamers nexus donna and we are back for the third episode of ask GN which as some of you already know we take comments from youtube twitter facebook wherever and take a few of those and then try to answer them in video form so that is what we're doing today we just got back from pax prime 2015 and that trip was preceded by a tour of Logitech's audio studio which is actually it's really cool it's more than studio it's an engineering lab and we walked into an anechoic chamber which cancels basically all of the sound and echoing that you get naturally off of walls and from people's voices very cool stuff a lot of that's already on the channel and all of its already on the website so definitely check that out a couple of cool things we saw at PAX would include on the software side we saw rollercoaster tycoon that was a big hit in terms of content so Sword Coast legends and a couple of other games battleborn what have you and we liked some of them we found so not mediocre but we'll continue covering those as things progress so let's jump into the questions for ask GN episode 3 first of all this is a pretty easy one this is a question from VG a couple days ago and VG says I have the g 9 10 keyboard and when I plugged it in the lights got on and stuff but it cannot type yes it can lower volume please help please help smiley face so I don't know if this will resolve this specific issue but it is something that I wanted to make a point of in a video or an article because this is actually pretty useful tip for everyone doing anything with system builds when you have issues with a keyboard or mouse or other primary input device not detecting or not working the first thing you should do is move it to the top USB slot on the motherboard so your motherboard has multiple controllers that handle USB and I oh and one of those controllers is going to communicate directly with with the CPU work directly with CP you know aftermarket soldered board stuff going on that one is the one that occupies the top two or a few other slots in the motherboard on the i/o panel on the output of the motherboard so you should connect your input devices to that slot and that should resolve it I would think it would resolve this issue because this does sound exactly like that where the keyboard is effectively receiving power for Gigi's keyboard because it's displaying the lights but no input is being received by the system which tells me there's like a controller issue or a driver issue in Windows somewhere with installation so that would be the first thing I would do and that's a useful tip for anyone who's having issues with input detection on a new build and then the next thing you should do is install all the drivers and if you think you already have them then open up the vice manager and double-check and this is something that everyone if you haven't already you should all do it right now anyway if you just open a run prompt by doing with a Windows key + R and then type in dev MGMT MSC de vie MGMT de MSC that will open device manager click through all those make sure there are no yellow Bane's or red x's and if there aren't great if there are go install that device driver because you could be losing out on solid-state drive performance say to performance in that instance or i/o controls or other things like that it's a very common issue with system built the next question is from just sayin and just sayin says would 650 watts be enough for an R 93 90 and FX 8320 the short answer is yes and that's really the only answer we didn't see much more power draw than 400 watts or in that range for the r9 390 depending on which one you're using and if you're overclocking when configured with an intel cpu the 8320 draws a bit more power but you're still well under that 600 watt window you do want sixty to eighty percent power efficiency with a or i should say sixty to eighty percent power utilization excuse me with a power supply to get maximum efficiency so you're still within that range even with that configuration and that's about where you should be really and it gives you some room to upgrade in the future if you're moving to the 9000 series that's a little bit different because they're 220 watts CPUs and they have some special requirements but for an 8320 you're fine this question is pretty law and it's kind of a two-part question I'll try to answer all of it and it is by Ibaka genius 1001 who says I helped a lot of friends with their first gaming builds awesome keep doing that a lot of the time building is spent on cable management I agree with that and making the build look decent do you have any tricks for quick and easy cable management for example an order you connect components to make routing and tying cables behind the motherboard easier so that's part one and we do have a video on this it's a bit outdated and I've changed my technique substantially since then so I it's still worth seeing but we've definitely changed a lot since producing that video so the order of components is something that does help a lot actually in my experience and what I do is I always install the video card last for starters that's the easiest thing to do because you want to route those cables last they're skinnier than the 24 pin cable makes them easier to work with and it also means that if you're for some reason forced to route cables under the video card like Ben 8-pin connector that can't stretch behind the motherboard tray with a larger case then you want to install the card last so that you're not removing it to do that halfway through the process so that is my first tip for cable management video card last in terms of other components I normally do off the top of my head I think I do power supply is the first or the second depending on how I feel about the motherboard fit and then motherboard or power supply so one of those two first and then after that it's just basically I pre installed around the CPU and the cpu cooler and heatsink before mounting all of that into the case so that makes things a lot easier you're not going to be screwing around with the cpu cooler screws which are sometimes hard to get to once it's already in a case especially if it's a mid tower or smaller that's the easiest thing you can do in terms of installation order and then you kind of throw their hard drives in whenever in that process normally at the end with the video card at the very end so the next thing I would suggest for cable management is start with the 24 pin and see if it'll fit behind the motherboard tray because a lot of times with smaller cases it won't or it'll be very tight and if it's tight you want to make sure your routing the other cases through different grommets on the case they're different holes so that it's not going under over the 24-pin and then definitely you'll want to choose your case wisely because that's the next best thing you can do so a thing to look for in cases is where do the 8-pin and for pin cpu power header is route if it routes through the top of the case there are normally three slots on good cases where do you want the eight pen to go through and that's because motherboards have three different places they put that a pin header basically on all motherboards so the only few cases that gives us right currently are NZXT cases like that's 340 and some corsair cases but that's the best thing to do get a good case and then after that you want to start routing the front panel connectors so that would be your power switch reset switch things like that I get all of those and I izip tie them at the end so if they're all held together I just route it through one of the ground what's at the bottom and I always zip tie it to the hard drive cage scaffolding will call it where it's a straight line down so if you have that in your case I would tie the front I owe to that to kind of keep it hid in and out of the way so that's kind of basic what I would start with and then from there you can buy things like cable combs they're called which really neatly handle the individually wrapped cables so that's a really nice way to make the cable setup look good and you can see that in one of our packs videos where we looked at a main gear system next question in this two-parter what is the actual performance difference between a custom water cooling loop versus a closed all-in-one solution like the h100i so this isn't really linearly comparable in a lot of ways because a closed solution is super easy it's just one component and it requires no real effort to install over in a dish over at original air cooler stocked cool or whatever so with a closed-loop cooler the main advantage is ease you can install it very easily it still gives you a lot of performance and it's decent for overclocking all the way up to pretty high level overclocking an open loop cooler mostly looks really cool and you can customize the fluid you can customize the tubing make it rigid which is really hard to do by the way to bend the tubing and it just makes your system look a whole lot better so that's the main thing with open loop now answering this question there is a thermal impact I don't have benchmarks for you but there is a thermal impact because now with an open-loop cooling solution you're routing the liquid through multiple components so the CPU the video card one video card to potentially other things some other board support liquid cooling for the vrm and then back into the reservoir radiators things like that depending on your setup the liquid cooling and an open solution can be better it can also be warmer so it just depends on how you set it up because you've got more components on the loop so either way definitely your video cards the RM on the motherboard could be cooler and that's probably the main advantage but it really is mostly just looks and for most users I would recommend an aio closed-loop solution the last question here for episode 3 of ask genes from tran juan who says could you please answer in detail how important is the main board in terms of gaming is having a high-end mainboard going to get you a better gaming experience of thanks so mainboard in this instance is the motherboard both are correct terms to use and the motherboard directly will not impact your FPS and almost all instances there are some cases where through various contingencies this is not true so for example the LGA 2011 boards there are some h2s boards with extra pins that will give you additional overclocking Headroom this is proven and in that instance you would get greater FPS because you have more room to overclock but it's not just you by the board and you instantly have plus ten percent FPS it's not quite that simple so the direct answer here is no you won't have a better gaming experience directly from your motherboard purchase but again contingencies exists so if you're buying a 50 on motherboard then yeah I could absolutely impact your experience because it might be bad or it might have trouble with power management which could cause instability it will have difficulty overclocking if it can even overclock at all and it could just really deliver unclean power to the CPU to the video card things like that which produce in stable clock rates in stable driver to component communication and things like that so yes it can impact experience but not directly so generally if you're buying a decent board meeting probably in the 70 plus dollar price range you're going to be okay and you can have about the same gaming experience as someone who bought $150 board where this differs is with again overclocking with your memory configuration in bios with other bios utilities with flashing with support for additional storage devices additional controllers on the motherboard for those devices or io basically aftermarket ICS and controllers on the board that augment or add to or amplify what the chipset is natively capable of so that would be additional USB 3 headers additional i/o in the back stuff like that so that's where you get your main advantage with buying a more expensive motherboard I do definitely recommend by at least a decent board I wouldn't go to dirt cheap because it will bite you in the end but you don't need to buy one hundred and fifty two hundred dollar motherboard for every system build especially if overclocking is not of interest to you if I were clogging is of interest to you it is very important that you buy a board with quality components because the vrm which is comprised of capacitors chokes MOSFETs and the heatsink the vrm you want to be high quality you wanted to have enough phases to clean the power delivery to the cpu to bruce a stable overclock you want to run cool so that the vrm heat sinks are not just incinerating here your other nearby components like memory for instance and you just want it to actually overclock well and in bios the amount of options available to you is dictated by what the motherboard manufacturer supplies what their firmware capable of so that is another item to look at one of our test boards i believe is an asus rog board and that has a ton of options for memory tuning all the way down to fourth or fifth level timings so that does is that allows us to mix and match in our case three different kits of memory you should not do this ever but we're doing it because we had three different kids in memory they're all very good and we wanted to use 64 gigabytes so in this instance we had spent a few hours tweaking and tuning all the memory settings in bios to get them to run together without crashing and that's something you can only really do with a high on board so that's an instance where the use case actually does make sense but hopefully that answers it spending two hundred dollars in short will not just boost your FPS it's not that simple overclocking different story you should spend more on a board that is actually going to be good for it so that is all for this ask GN episode 3 i'm freshly packed from pax and the logitech tour and the short trip to whistler and a few other things so it's been a long week we've taken a short break from video content and i hope you've enjoyed everything you've seen so far if you have more questions for us for ask GN please post them below in the comments because i check this video first when i'm trying to compile questions for the sgn video not that we have a huge tenure of that but you know it's starting as for patreon we're up to quite a few backers now i think it might be 13 so huge health it's really exciting to see more backers join us on patreon I know Keegan who works on the videos and I are both really happy to see support building outside of traditional advertising revenue which is very difficult to come by these days and direct support from the community this kind of cleaner anyway and makes for easier content production without the different things that advertising may 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