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everyone welcome back to another episode of ask GN we are looking at the general tastes rags from our previous video with red red for thermal paste application but other than that if you have a question for next week's episode leave it in the comment section below or on discord in the SDN section we're going to be going over a couple of those for the last few weeks so before getting to that this coverage is brought to you by Thermaltake and their core p3 chassis which is wall mountable or you can build it in the configuration we have it here you can also lay flat if you prefer an open-air test bench it's a highly modular chassis you can learn more at the link in the description below so the first question or statement for this week is one of my favorite arguments anyone has ever tried to pick with us and it was almost an exact quote I call BS that's permanent marker if you're wondering what the context of that is because does seem awfully silly it's this thread Ripper CPU so this is the media gift I guess that we got with thread Ripper ours does not have the logo logo or anything on it like some of the others do it's just a number it's a dummy CPU and we put it to work so we use dry erase marker drew on it and drew the dies I'm sure all of you pretty much know this at this point you've probably seen the content but for whatever reason that really offended some people to the point where it's just like mind-blowing how offensive some people took that act we saw this as hey we can show where the dies are another people were going from I can't believe you're dissing AMD by drawing on their gift that they spent so much time on making for you - you are virtue signaling but if you're wondering why we drew on it it's so you can see the die location but anyway I want to prove something here so because this seems to be a repeat question is it dry erase marker or was i lying to you was it all cover-up has it actually been sharpie all along that's the question well as you all know Sharpie is not possible to remove with isopropyl alcohol or anything else like that and so clearly Sharpie would be bad for this we are going to open and I fix it magnetic mat they are not a sponsor but I do need to call upon them for this content which let's just do it that way so in this magnetic mat is included a marker and the marker is used for drawing on the mat so you can draw on it and then you can also let's put one of these views so it's it's really it's almost like magic and they're selling this for just $20 would you believe that you can erase it so that's where the marker comes from now what about our drawings on the CPU what what do we do about this when we're done with the drawings can we ever restore it to its pristine condition that's the question okay so here's the CPU with the alleged dry erase marker although we're now going to prove if it was or not permanent marker so let's just a just though would you Wow would you look at that the line is gone Wow okay what about this one maybe this one's permanent but no okay that lines gone too okay well let me just redraw those lines on second oh no that was that was sharpie oh shoot well that's uh that's no good oh well we we're never going to be able to get Sharpie off so I guess we just won't won't be able to deal with this because I mean this won't rub off by hand surely no that's that's permanent that's truly permanent marker and it's just it's on there for good that's just oh wow wow that is amazing and it doesn't even affect the numbers that are etched into the IHS would you look at that okay let me just recap this I'm going to need some of that alcohol later so yeah just just just having a bit of fun guys it's it doesn't matter from a Sharpie or not n either way it's it's a non-functional gift i guess that we put the real use actually like do cool stuff with which is kind of what this channel is it's meant to do so that's all we're trying to show let's get to the actual questions the first one is from discord this one is from carl and carl said STM some custom graphics cards such as the zotac 1080 TI amp edition don't have wide support for full sized water blocks from third party vendors is there a large variance in cooling with a die block such as the EK vga supremacy i guess as opposed to a full-coverage block this was kind of answered in discord briefly but to do so in a more public fashion the answer the hard answer to the question which is there a large variance in cooling with a die block as opposed to full coverage as far as the GP die is concerned not not really not in a functional sense depending on what you're using technically if you are cooling stuff like the VRMs then that coolant will be heated up by more components than just the GPU die so you might actually see slightly higher GPU temperatures which we we've seen with the liquid coolers like was that TW one of those where they had a copper cold plate that extended out from the CL see that cover the GPU die and contact the vram the memory modules as well and then gigabytes one of their cards that we tested ages ago at this point also contacted I believe some of the vrm components and sunk that all into the cold plates a liquid cooler so what happens well you cool all the other stuff much more efficiently of course and you might increase the it looks like an increase to the temperature of the GPU and monitoring software and it is it's running a bit warmer because the coolants warmer as you reach steady state your cooling more components your liquid temperature will be higher than if you're just cooling one component and so you kind of lose some potential there but we're talking an order of a couple of degrees normally and you exchange that for significantly cooler other component temperatures so it's really not a bad trade but as far as the actual GPU I wouldn't worry about it at all like you're mounting OCLC to the thane versus a full-coverage blocked either way the GP temperature is going to be way down versus air and temperature and noise will be fine so really just looking at how are you cooling the other component if it's a blower fan or one of the cracking g12 s or something like that with the separate fan for the BRM which isn't the best solution mind you we weren't huge fans of that solution but something like that would work as long as you're cooling the other components alongside what the CLC is doing you're fine I wouldn't worry about it next question is from the Nexus avenger who asked this was from youtube asked question for Sdn something that has been grinding my gears a lot recently is a lot of large tech based channels I've moved to using clickbait exclusively for video names and thumbnails one that quickly pops to mind the no longer named this way video names risin are three and are five tested by Linus tectus with a more fitting name of Andy Rison emulated on our 7 do you guys plan to switch in the future to get more views and less more ad revenue or stay with the current format and selection of videos so that the the naming clickbait is I guess is one word for it sensationalist is kind of the other word I would use for a lot of what what we see now sensationalist and clickbait headlines like that if you want to use a word quickly they drive me crazy so like an example is the it's very formulaic right you could almost you could write a mathematical formula for a lot of titles where it's like is is X the best Y yet or adjectives Li noun is it supremely the best as always exclamation marks and question marks and lots of adjectives to really build you up and make you feel good about something and some of it now some of this stem is from SEO and I can tell you like in the past especially when we were basically an article only outlet like website only no videos in the past and even presently you definitely title some things to try and hit the search engine queries for example I think at least somewhere in the thread ripper thermal paste article I use the phrase best thermal paste application method for the thread Ripper and the conclusion is it doesn't matter use a lot of thermal paste so there's not really a best it's just use a lot of it but we still provide the data and then you're just targeting that search query because you know people are going to look for it and you want to come up towards the top one because that's your business to do anyway and two because you've provided all this data you want it to be seen but that's a far cry different from the sensationalist is X the best Y or talking about really any component using random capital words in the title or all capital words adding the multiple exclamation points and question marks and and then building the content around an ultra hyped up title I don't agree with that approach at all so now we're not between that any time that I'm in control of the site which is forever at this point so yeah I would agree it frustrates me as well I understand why you title things that way if you're trying to stay in business it's probably a better move but we're doing quite fine without resorting to that so I think you can get away with more normal titles that are yes a bit more boring or less catchy but are also more true to the content or in the very least don't build up hype unnecessarily for things that don't deserve hype you really hype is like the most I struggle to find a better word than cancerous thing in the industry when it comes to any new products because all hyping does whether it's on the media side or marketing side or whatever is build people up to a point where they are feverishly defending brands for no reason really or attacking them or attacking or defending other people on the internet for liking a certain product or using a certain product hype is the root of a lot of that does everyone wants to defend their purchases but that goes into a completely separate discussion the answer to your question is no we will not be doing titles like that I really strongly try to avoid question marks and titles we will do them occasionally largely for either search engine reasons or for SGN that the questions we're answering questions and they come from readers so those have question marks I try to avoid them though I try to avoid exclamation points and avoiding those things also kind of make sure that your tone remains neutral or at least accurate to what our outlet does which is not get excited about everything that comes across the test bench and if you like that that's perfectly fine if other creators like that that's perfectly fine but that's not us and it's okay to be different from other people that's kind of the point so yeah that's that's my look on it next question is an interesting one because it's related to what we do Harrison Glen from YouTube asked I've recently gotten into very into video editing but I feel like my PC 6700 K 1070 32 gigabytes of RAM it's being severely bottlenecks when editing 4k footage due to my lack of an SSD I am currently reluctant to purchase an SSD for editing for the fact that it would be constantly reading writing I'd hate to have SSD died after a few months because of region max PBW the drive so let's break this down into a few pieces one is the s of the endurance I wouldn't worry about it that's s the endurance that assuming you buy a pretty decent one it's high that you're not going to kill it in a couple months you're not going to kill it in a couple years most likely unless you're really really hammering the thing and I mean like your day job is now video editing and you're dealing with hundreds of gigabytes of data per day then you'll start killing it pretty quickly but there's a great article I've referenced in the past on tech report it was done when Scott Watson was still there so it's a little older now probably two years or so and if you search for SSD endurance tests or something like that tech report you'll find a really good article series where they had a decent sample size ran a bunch of SSDs into the ground to see what it took to kill them and told them we're into the petabytes by the time they died or the time they pest was given up so I wouldn't worry about that aspect and also you can just make sure you backup your data remotely but the next part is getting bottleneck you feel like it's going slow with 4k we have similar problems with 4k and we're using a system that's now got a Xeon processor it's an older one but it's still a 12 core 24 thread processor and 1080i to Titan XM and I think also 32 gigabytes of memory but it's just hard to edit I mean software has trouble with it like premiere is certainly not the most optimized thing in the world if you want to try and fix things I would definitely suggest an SSD for improving your workflow in general that might not be what's bottlenecking you what you should do is open up something like car grandpa 64 resource monitor and task manager look at as many of the metrics as you can at a time while you're doing stuff in your editing software and see which numbers are hitting a hundred percent if you're seeing disk utilization hit a hundred percent then it you should probably get an SSD if you're not then look at something like CPU core utilization or look at your GPUs probably not going to use that much but you can look at GPZ for that look at those numbers find the ones that are hitting 100 or close to a hundred percent and then figure out a solution to solve it and another note here just as an aside with the launch and the focus on a lot of the h EDT stuff the past few months i've seen a lot of comments about how people want to have extra percentage headroom open on their processors for example the high end intel and high end AMD stuff where you end up with so many cores that they just not be an author percent utilized by the software that's certainly one approach to it because if you have that extra Headroom you can do other stuff with it my philosophy on that for our production setup is I want everything to be 100% engaged especially on the cpu because if it's not it's not doing anything for you and we only do one thing at a time on our production system which is probably rendering so keep an eye out for that but obviously once you start hitting now every time that's why your limiter anyway that would be the first thing to look into upgrading and you can simulate some of that by doing things like overclocking I can't recommend enough Puget systems they do a ton of editing video editing tests you can find some of the benchmarks online to look for Puget systems Adobe Premiere 67 or Kay or something like that see if there's anything out there next one an on a mouse from YouTube also says why oh why did AMD decide to use a 20 degree offset on the 1700 X and 800 X CPU they could have just asked people to set an aggressive fan curve instead I see the confusion still lingers all these months later yeah it definitely does so T control we still email them whenever there's a new processor coming out like the r3 series or when we were at the event for the thread Ripper we you got to engage in conversation and that's like okay does this have t control yes or no why or why not so I have some answers to that let me see what I can do for you here looking at my notes from thread Ripper event first of all T control I'm going to speak to thread Ripper right now it applies to a lot of Rison but with thread Ripper and we've already reported this it's 36 sensors that report t control to the software and then that's aggregated so it's an aggregate of 36 ounces on thread Ripper and then you get the number out and that's P control o a thread reference 27 see that's already known not just because of Oz but because - and other folks have published their T control versus their TDI numbers and T die is hardware info 64's reading with t control factor 2 out that's the number that you want to look at to be the least confused as he controls the one with plus 27 cm thread refer plus 20 C on rise and select rise in CPUs but you'll notice it's not on all rise in CP so when we were out the event I said why is why is T control on there and their answer was server architecture assumes differently different items or parameters for ambient temperature and for fan profile which is where the part of your question comes from about setting fan profile correctly based on T control and I also said offsetting for the server our baseline make sure everything works right so the fan profile is correct for consumer and for enterprises parts the question after that the follow-up that I had was okay so on Rison the 1700 was not did not have t control didn't have an offset so what's your threshold when do you guys decide we're not going to implement this and the answer was for rise and it was 65 Watts versus 95 watt TDP was the threshold where key control is on or off so that was the answer and J I believe from J's two cents brought up that well cancer you guys just put something in motherboard BIOS that's like or have the vendors put in a button that's turned off D control to not confuse the users type of thing and they they have they expressed interest in it so to answer your question I don't know why it needs to be in risin well it doesn't need to be there like you could just set a better fan curve or or work with motherboard vendors to include some option or whatever but the answer to why it exists at all is because of the server architecture stuff I suppose from what they told us so I don't know that fully answers your question hopefully at least gets you some information straight from Andy because that's what they've told us so all right next question otherwise Steve do you got this from discord have you guys ever tried any of the low-end exotic coolers like this one any links to the phenolic cooler I'd love to see how they stand up against a iOS some customer reviews say it beats Arrivals them and the fins that stay cool to the touch yeah we have tried we actually tried that specific cooler didn't publish a review on it because we had some some weird issues at the time with it that cooler suffers from a few weird problems so it's a really interesting idea it's a thermoelectric cooler they call it and basically uses like a Peltier system so that you have an accept and a reject cold plate they're called so there's one plate that is contacting the IHS directly as normally and that plate which would sit right here is cooled by actively cooled and that's why you have the PCIe cable going into that cooler specifically and then the other plate is the one that heats up so we tested this it does work I mean you could actually it's pretty cool actually you can turn on the fanatical or any other thermoelectric cooler that does that and physically touch the cold plate and it will be cold to the touch it's if you can get it below ambient if you wanted to so it's really interesting in that regard they had stuff in place to make sure there was no condensation concerned because if you get below ambient you start having that concern but when we tested it ultimately because it is a small form-factor cooler it doesn't work well on the x class like at the time we're testing x9 didn't work well on that did not it competed okay in the mini ITX class where you have a really limited space on a 92 millimeter coolers the best you can fit certainly computed better than in the bigger class coolers so you're competing against smallest at that point like the Silverstone smaller form factor stuff argon a or zero wine something like that but ultimately it's way too expensive to be worth it for the cooling that you get except for in really specific use cases like small form-factor build where it performs well but yeah we've tried it it's an interesting idea I think it needs to be scaled up a bit it's really be interesting for us for the testing we do which is more enthusiast focused next question is contractor 316 who said as an ivy bridge I believe this is from discord as an ivy bridge owner I've always wondered why the 35 70 K in 3770k are rarely featured in gamers Nexus benchmarks is because previous testing has shown no significant difference from Sandy Bridge or is it a question of resource constraints time waiver available motherboards etc first of all thank you for recognizing that something isn't necessarily on the charts for reasons other than we hate the product and anyone who bought it because it's what people think when something's not on the charts we actually so we do have a lot of data on the 35 70 K we published it I stuff gets pulled from the charts for each benchmark depending on what we're showing because I just you can't fit at all like maybe we can pop one on the screen or something with just like everything on it just to show you how extreme it is and illegible it is so we call that data I try to stick to around max with a CPA charge and a 3570 often gets the cut because we've got the 2500 K that stays on it because so many people have it and then we have everything like the 4000 series and up and the 35 70 K it's easy to say that it's in between them and just extrapolate the performance we do have charts with it though I think check to 2500 K revisit there's probably some in there and maybe in the Heylin revisit as well the 3770 we just don't have them that's why that's hot in there next for a last question rahrr stem from discord Roberson said Steve why are there so many damn pretzels in Chex Mix I signed up with the bag of nothing but pretzels it's it's really you know frankly the Chex Mix reviewer community is slacking they're all paid off by big Chex Mix and they just they don't complain enough so it's really a shame what's happened to that industry I used to really trust those reviewers when buying my Chex Mix but I think you're just going to have to write in to the FDA and complain that's the only reasonable respond to this point so 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