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hey Ron welcome back to another episode of ask GN this one's got a pretty fun opening question about something I T is the last weekend since then has been fully revealed by other rumor mills on the internet so we talked about Nvidia's naming scheme shortly and other than that if you have questions leave them in the comment section below as always before getting to that this video is brought to you by the EVGA sleeves wire combs people often ask me what my hair care routine is and it's the same as any self-respecting enthusiasts cable management routine I use the EVGA sleeved wire combs to neatly organize each individual strand of hair just like how they can tidy up individual cable wires in your system the cable comb kit includes two 24 pin to 8 pin 4 PCIe and a couple of peripheral sleeved wire combs learn more at the link in the description below so getting into this one first of all like last time we're gonna have an extended edition for the patreon backers I'll be talking about that more in a moment the first question was it from mr. scat os-- Klauss who said whoa hold on there second tech Jesus what do you know about ampere Volta and the name scheme of Nvidia next-gen GPUs speak up spit it out we were on to you you know you are hiding something come on be a good lad chop chop very demanding there so yeah last episode someone asked about something about ampere and I said I don't think that's actually what it's called I left it there so this is where it gets kind of fun this is the whole touring thing you've probably seen it by now that's the rumored name rather than the one that's been rumored and actually a couple months ago I put out a content piece where we started actually couple content pieces where we started burying references to the actual naming scheme because I'd heard about it through a couple of vendors we didn't want to go and publish like a hey here's the actual name of the next-gen and video architecture thing and because I don't know didn't really seem like the right thing to do so we just kind of buried references to it and I know that at least one board vendor caught it because they messaged me about it I don't think anyone else did which is part of the fun because the Turing test so so yeah here's the thing here's a quote from a Content piece we put out with the what do manufacturers think of mining six months later this is the second one I dropped where I said the primary concern from aiv partners is that they'll be left with overstock and with new architectures looming no torreón tests needed for that it's likely that those cards would remain on the shell of ass blah blah blah you get the idea so that was I think the second instance of hiding something related to Torian and our content as a test for anyone who might have an idea that the name was different so yeah in fact we didn't know that and it is supposed to be the name for the next-gen gaming architecture as I understand it today that might change I was told this by people in the industry some months ago now and things could have changed in that time or they could have been wrong or whatever but related to the recent rumor mill content I would say that yes the idea of that being the name of the architecture is probably correct I haven't actually read any of the rumor mill stuff beyond the name so I don't know what they've been saying about GTX 2000-series or any of that stuff I have no idea I haven't read it any of that that you would be interested in on a hardware specification side generally avoid rumors and reading them outside of reading the headlines just to kind of know what people are gonna be talking about that week so yeah that's a that's the fun part there which thoria is not even exposing that now is because rumors popped up like right after we posted that content piece people other web sites figured it out whether through their own sources or otherwise so yeah next one is a little bit less fun of a topic it's just gonna be me complaining for a second this is from Golden Sun three D s and two other or three other people posted similar comments to this one and it said patreon exclusive content that is a low this is referring to last week when we said with every SPN we're now going to take some of the extra questions from the patreon backers from patreon discord from people who give us money and address those in a second episode that's maybe 10 minutes long and put it out just for patreon backers and it was exclusive content for them it's not early access or anything like that we already do this with behind the scenes videos it's low-quality production admittedly it's generally low-quality content but it's just some kind of interesting stuff to show the people who support us directly hey this is what we're working on you might be interested in it we're not going to invest a lot of time trying to produce it because the point is to not reduce the amount of content we're putting out on this channel on the main 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videos but it's not like we're holding real content with benchmarks or motherboard reviews or whatever we're not doing exclusive content for core motherboard video card CPU none of that is behind a paywall and I have no plans for it to be so nothing's really changed I would say that if you have that concern ask yourself gamers Nexus makes mod mattes and shirts and stickers they don't give that to me for free why am I upset that this extra ask Jen isn't given to me for free but I'm not upset that the shirts and the stickers aren't given to me for free where's the difference because I can tell you what I think the difference is I think people see a physical product like a shirt or a mat or mug and they have this intrinsic understanding that that thing cost me money to make so no I will not give it to you for free well videos cost money to make - I've got staff and equipment costs and operating costs so it's really no different than physical product now we run ads on those videos and we have means to make the money back obviously otherwise you wouldn't operate but the point is ultimately patreon backers are footing a now somewhat significant portion of operating costs and we want to give them something as a thank you and that something was one to two behind-the-scenes videos a month and now an extra ask Jen with just their questions and it's kind of informal very direct with the patreon backers and about 10 minutes long so it's just it's a way to say how can we give them something more without taking away from the main content and we said you know what an extra ask Jen doesn't take that much more time just add another hour or two of work a week and that's that's the end of it pretty easy so yeah that's that's what I have to say about that you know when you're working 100 plus hours a week all the time physically there is no more time left so it's it's just like it's a little bit more but it's not crazy and I wouldn't make any in-depth content exclusively for patreon because just the physical limitations of time and space wouldn't allow it so next real question Caudill is said this one was on discord said Steve so I know this would be pretty niche but have you guys considered testing with closed loop liquid coolers which ones have the best radiator or pump performance ie using the same best performing fans on all the radiators say maybe the NOC - industrial fans I think the gist of this question is basically if I put if I take the same to high-end fans put them on all the liquid coolers where's the difference so I have thought about it and it is interesting we've done some stuff like this not a whole lot I've only done this with maybe three coolers where we normalize the fans generally speaking the ASO tech coolers particularly of the same generation even kind of plus or minus one generation they all perform about the same once you normalize for the fans so let's say we have three 280s on the table all made by a Sutekh they're the most common manufacturer anyway so you might have a course here 280 an EVGA 280 and NZXT 280 there are very few differences between them other than things like RGB lighting NZXT has a custom PCB that they designed that's all ten of software driven stuff so the real difference is then come down for a cooling test with normalized fans would come down to radiator cold plate microphone density and pitch and that's tube length I guess that would impacted a bit so there's not a lot of difference because the manufacturer does have a decent out of control over the process however most of that control is either aesthetic or it's some convenience oriented thing like tube length and that's not going to change a whole lot for performance the tube type doesn't change between ACE tech coolers the cold plate doesn't change between ace tech coolers I don't think if it does it's exceptionally minor because I haven't been able to notice it i've opened all of them and yeah i mean it's it's the fans comes down to the fans so that's you're eliminating the main difference for them now if we look outside of these tech coolers that's where you would probably start to see pump differences so pump speed can impact that it's true that some a tech coolers run at different speeds if you're on one low and one high yes there would be a difference but you can pretty much run them all at the same speeds at this point they all have some level of pump control for the most part so yeah differences would be if you move from ASA Tech as the supplier to someone like Dyna Tron or a pol tech or any of them so like a pol tech makes for example the old Silverstone tundra coolers and I can't remember who else they make these that I have a list of it on the web site but those would be the differences and no I haven't done it it would be interesting but I think if I did that test I there's a couple other things I'd want to do as well so it'd get kind of we'd make it a bit more complex I don't know if we'll get to that though but honestly I guess step back and look at what you want to buy and if everything you want find out who the suppliers are if everything you want to buy as many buy A's attack then I would say don't really worry about it by the one that looks the best and fits your computer and and they should all basically perform the same with the same fans and outside of that I'll let you know if then when I find out next one Zeta said Steve what makes for a good mousing surface I've heard there are certain materials or prints that are detrimental to sensor performance particularly in very fast or very precise movements and I have a separate sheet on that so I took this question I emailed it to Logitech's thought it was a an interesting one so here's what logitech said they answered a few my questions they started out by just saying it's hard to find bad mouse pads now in general and in large part because the newer generations of sensors have been designed part to track well on surfaces gamers decide they want to play on mostly black cloth so my first question to that was what specifically is it about a surface that a mouse sensor is looking for what does the mouse sensor want to see is it contrast is it doing like some kind of luma tree scope analysis is it looking at is it doing white balance does it CZ depth or grain or weave or fabric things like that and the first the easiest answer doesn't do any limit Rhys cope analysis or white balancing the answer I got was no as for the rest logitech informed me that these sent this is a quote the sensor works largely using contrast as it detects motion by comparing the features in multiple images against each other this makes illumination homogeneity important as inconsistency in the light could change the appearance of those features the sensor doesn't see z-axis changes but if the depth is large enough it could be believed that the mouse has been lifted fortunately for game this would be a terrible service to use physically something like a cheese grater so it's unlikely it would happen in a real world scenario my next questions that was about colors are there any specific colors that would confuse a sensor or patterns or things like that do higher low contrasting colors have any observable impact and performance the answer was any color that absorbs IR light around 850 nanometers wavelength rather than reflecting it would be bad for sensors too extreme contrast colors like black and white that are exactly in the path of travel when flickering at high speed could reduce maximum tracking speed similarly to the way that repetitive patterns with 2 millimeter pitch could do so at a very basic level this type of service can make the sensor lose some ability to correlate images with certainty reducing performance so to really reduce performance there's a lot of specific things that need to happen I asked about wood fabric with a denser versus looser weave have an impact on tracking capabilities while detects are definitely yes the weave of the fabric is such that it acts like a repetitive pattern or interferes with the homogeneity of the illumination and it can mess with tracking and then finally any other notes on what specifically makes a bad-mouthing service this one's kind of an obvious answer but clean glass and mirrors of course and then repetitive patterns so hopefully that answers your question pretty interesting stuff and not something you think about a lot next question is from Bill when Bill when cello who says I have a motherboard that won't boot and I'm trying to diagnose it what's the first thing you guys have checked there's a question we answered ages ago but I wanted to bring it back because it is a good one to touch up on so we have a guide somewhere on the website of basic troubleshooting steps some of the first stuff I would do off the top my head in that scenario in order of what's easiest to do would be reseat the RAM boot bare bones so that would be like do all these one at a time so you can actually identify the issue rather than just fix it or not know but bare bones probably first so anything that's not needed disconnect it make it simple if you installed the motherboard without standoffs or you dropped the screw there could be a direct short that would definitely cause it's not boot if the board is contacting the steel of the case rather than a standoff then it that would be a short that would be your problem after that kind of stuff is accounted for and you've gone bare-bones go down to one stick a memory tried in two different or three different slots and see if it's a memory slot issue or a memory stick issue if it doesn't work try the other stick if available if that's clearly not the problem I would probably move next to reseeding the video card or going IGP if you can if there is an IGP in the cpu next I would probably reset CMOS some boards have a button to do this the I prefer still to remove the CMOS battery the silver battery and technically you should be able to leave it out for like 15 seconds and it will clear I have had boards that will keep memory forever like minutes so if you really want to just pull it out walk away for five minutes get a drink and come back that probably get you through most of the issues make sure the EPS 12 volt cables plugged in that would cause it to spin up and then instantly turn off it's really easy to overlook seating of all the components seating all the cables again make sure they are seated properly in the power supply that's that's most what I got if it really comes down to it you could receipt the CPU this is a possibility that you have a bent pin either in the socket or the CPU depending or a missing pin if it's AMD it's more likely missing than bent you can look into the socket and see if there's any gold shining through that's missing pin sometimes you can still boot without them Intel you might have to unbend pins I think that basically covers everything there's a lot more you can do obviously computers are complex but those are all my first troubleshooting steps beyond there you're looking at going to forums for getting one-on-one help from someone okay so next one David five days ago do you get recognized in public do people want your signature or take a picture or something of the likes the only instance of this I would like to bring up and remind everyone of is what caused the NZXT to create the shirt pocket gamers Nexus and hopefully we can dig up the the source video for this and let it play for a second but that was someone we work with in the industry in Taiwan who who saw me and recognized me I didn't know who it was till we got to the top of the escalator in that shot but he saw me went by and just said you know IRA's Nexus like I mean this isn't everyone around you speaks Chinese not speaking English so just saying hi would be enough but no that got my attention that was being recognized in public by someone with whom I work so not really that special that's probably the only real instance of that I'll get recognized at trade shows where the entire audience and everyone in the convention center either works there and with us or maybe at like pax is a consumer we got we got this a couple times at the Corsair booth last year where you got the Corsair booth so it's people who like hardware got recognized a couple times but it's not that common so not really I mean at trade shows yeah definitely and feel free to say hi but yeah not not all that common I'm not I don't work with celebrities like Jay I think he gets recognized more next one Cyrus are I followed your MacGyver type hybrid 1080 hybrid cooler on a 1080i EFI guide I had one immediately available and now I'm worried about RAM on the furthest end next to the waterblock that area really heats up and gets no airflow so I can't speak specifically to your configuration without seeing a photo of it however we later tested after that guide we did a Titan xp1 hybrid mod and we tested what's the temperature of the vram and of the vrm because without the blower fan the question was are they still getting enough airflow the answer was yes neither was anywhere close to the max spec they were actually doing quite well with just the base plate and whatever airflow was kind of just naturally there so I wouldn't worry too much about it unless you have specific reasons to be concerned as for the reference fan speed if we talk about the blower fan on the end of the card you can leave that at like 25 to 40 percent and it'll be sufficient it's not like it's contained anymore so that should be sufficient if you're really worried about it you could find a way to spot check the temperatures I would just like I guess it comes down to a question of how hot is it like it's hard to say without thermocouples but open up gpu-z and make sure the GPU temperature looks good GPU temperature looks good and your base plate is on you're probably fine and if you're really concerned you can get a separate case fan just blast it with that and you'll be good if you start seeing thin if you get like shutdowns or artifacts then there might be an issue but without seeing that I can tell you more just do a couple more here this one's quick prefix said Steve if I donate $1,000 to patreon can I have a shout-out to my twitch channel twitch.tv slash Q marching no you can't don't give me any money for that because I'm not gonna do it next quit wait next question is from Street guru it says maybe too late if you get this one but with the rise in AP use out will new egg or others start advertising old rising three and five bundles with the motherboards that don't support Raven Ridge out of the box is it something people should be on the lookout for we have a separate video on that we just filmed before this so the answer is pretty much in there but Andy and their partners are putting stickers on the boxes for physical retail for online retail there's you you're not going to know if there's a sticker on the box I think they're doing some kind of flashing kit and if that isn't help to you then AMD has assured me that they're partners in each region are responsible for making sure that you actually can get a board working so if it doesn't work I think you have to email them New Ager whomever and and they'll take it back and get it flashed for you for free I think and if that's not the case let me know last one jazz Oh will says question for SP and I was wondering am I worrying too much about my use temperatures I built a fan profile around mining to keep the card under 60 degrees when gaming I noticed my fans will ramp up immediately I try to keep it under 60 for everything so it's about 59 I get 79% on the fans and get normally to 100% fans on modern titles with a 1080 Strix well you're going for a pretty aggressive temperature 60 is is definitely good and that'll get your boost clocks higher it's like every five CEO on Pascal gets me more boost so that's that money a good place to be but you don't have to be there I'd say let it go a little higher you could run up to maybe 70 75 you'll be fine it's not gonna hurt it and your fans can quiet down you'll lose some clock but not much we're talking like in the dozens of megahertz not in the hundreds of megahertz so that would be my first step second step is look at your case make sure it has air flow and if it doesn't then resolve that because that may be your problem but without knowing more I that's that's kind of the most I can say so Zeta last one said would you say that the products on your store page are objectively cooler than the competition's offerings seen as they are based in California for the most part and we're not I would say that yes it is objectively cooler here than it is there and therefore our products are objectively speaking and cooler then I mean if we just took the out-of-the-box thermals of them they would probably be cooler but that's just kind of I mean that's it 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